00:02all right so there are a bunch of
00:05different problems that you can attack
00:07within Advanced manufacturing we've
00:08talked about medical semiconductors
00:10defense Etc sounds like Hadrian is
00:14focused at least at the moment on space
00:17and uh as I mentioned before there are
00:20many people out there there are many
00:21people who disagree with this but there
00:22are many people that think that space or
00:25pursuing it is a frivolous industry I'll
00:28just read you one tweet for fun from
00:30someone that I saw recently that said no
00:32offense but I 100 think space
00:34colonization is a childish desire so
00:37feel free to respond to that particular
00:39tweet but really what I want to get at
00:40is within the sphere of things that you
00:43could pursue within Hadrian why
00:45specifically space to start the really
00:47short version is like stripe doesn't get
00:49to sell to a t until they sell to a
00:52bunch of Y combinated startups and
00:53there's just a bunch of huge amounts of
00:56capital flowing into commercial space
00:57which means there's a bunch of net new
00:58spend and they're being run by 30 year
01:00olds and not 50 year olds which
01:03you know you want to sell the startups
01:04at first and you want to hit that
01:05earlier Spectrum so commercial space has
01:08all of the complexity of every other
01:10registry that we would want to serve in
01:11the future so the automation we're
01:12building for commercial space is almost
01:14completely transferable but there's a
01:15real need because these companies are
01:17trying to go super fast so they will pay
01:18for Speed you know if they are sick of
01:20calling Bob's machine shop but they're
01:22young enough from you know all these
01:24rocket and satellite companies that
01:25they're willing to take a shot on
01:27something new and really work with us to
01:28develop the system versus it's just your
01:30Classic goalie adapter problem then I
01:32think holistically is like
01:34why go to space uh at all like why put
01:38Humanities resources out there and I
01:40think you know we could go through this
01:42argument of like you know space is a
01:44warfighting domain like you need
01:45observability of the planet to stop
01:47nuclear launches so you need satellites
01:49you know like GPS is a great example we
01:51can go through all like the time worn
01:53arguments that like most of the medical
01:55advances on the planet have been
01:56Downstream of NASA on the ISS and how
01:58that flows through to society and all
02:00that stuff but all of that is is an
02:02abstraction of like why you know why
02:06Columbus like why go jump on a shitty
02:09raft and go look at a new island in
02:10Polynesia as like a tribal leader like
02:13you know in some in some ways it's
02:15Manifest Destiny like humans are built
02:16to expand and explore and that is just
02:19like a core Drive of the species and
02:21with that sort of an argument it just
02:22comes down to like growth versus
02:25degrowth like that is the Eternal
02:28cultural fight and you can call it
02:29capitalism or communism or you can call
02:31it like the state versus the people or
02:34you can call it decentralization versus
02:35centralization but what it comes down to
02:38are we going to use the limited
02:40resources on the planet to go get new
02:42resources so we can continue this
02:43magical species-wide journey journey of
02:46like settling the solar system and
02:48finding out what's out there and
02:49improving our own lives and like going
02:51and getting at it or are we going to
02:53accept the status quo and sit there and
02:54like you know continue to like shoot in
02:57a hole instead of inventing the toilet
02:59or whatever like and and all these
03:00people out there who are like
03:02by stretching towards the future we need
03:04to concentrate on the problems of today
03:06and what people don't realize is that
03:07historically throughout Humanity you
03:09like you solve poverty by building Farms
03:11not by like trying to optimize this
03:14shitty like hodgepodge hunter-gatherer
03:17like system that we've got and yes that
03:20rewards people you know non-linearly to
03:24people who are reaching towards that
03:25future and like you leave some people
03:26behind but that is what takes the ban
03:29from here to here and everyone's quality
03:31of life goes up and at some point the
03:33Earth's resources are going to die out
03:35and we have kind of one shot in the next
03:37couple of decades to like expand so that
03:40we can get new resources and make
03:42ourselves more efficient and start
03:43solving all these problems and I think
03:45but these are all like
03:47platitudes and economic arguments over
03:50the internal cultural problem of
03:51humanity which is like do you want to go
03:54and do cool and like grow as fast
03:55as possible and see what's out there or
03:58do you want to sit there chilling your
03:59thumbs because you're scared and that is
04:00the Eternal like growth versus degrowth
04:03fight and everything that we see in the
04:04media whether it's Legacy Media or
04:06politics or Wars or you know
04:10communism versus capitalism or anything
04:12is or you know coronary capitalism
04:15versus true kind of jungle capitalism
04:18you know it's all it's all a poor
04:22abstraction over growth versus degrowth
04:24and ultimately like you've got a big
04:25side and I pick growth and if we're
04:28picking growth then yeah let's go invent
04:30new technologies and settle the stars
04:32and find out what's out there and mine
04:35Asteroids for resources instead of
04:37ripping up forests in the Amazon you
04:39know but like you either have to like
04:42basically it comes down to like
04:43expansional population control you know
04:45like at a certain point it all comes
04:47down to like we're either going to cut
04:49down trees or going to mine asteroids
04:50okay don't want to cut down trees that
04:52make sense so let's go you know go do
04:54something cooler and more sustainable a
04:56way to do that but the third option of
04:58like restricting resources and you know
05:01this is like a stupid argument over
05:04you know like hey let's not incur some
05:07risk of getting totally clean energy
05:09that like net net is way way less uh
05:13morally and economically impactful than
05:15solar panels where 90 of the solar
05:18panels in the country are being made in
05:20China by basically slave labor where
05:22millions of minority and immigrant women
05:24are being chemically castrated every
05:26year and forced into servitude but so
05:28ultimately it's like growth versus
05:30degrowth and I think like the case for
05:31space is is the Last Frontier that we
05:34have and you can think about the moon as
05:35the eighth continent and as a species
05:38we're either gonna go out and get it and
05:40continue to grow and improve things or
05:41we're going to stagnate and if anyone's
05:43choosing to stagnate you're on the wrong
05:45side of history and like you're gonna
05:46get blown passed by everyone else and
05:49I just wish people would frame the
05:51problem correctly it's you know it's
05:52it's growth versus degrowth there is no
05:54like economic argument like you're the
05:57four Humanity isn't expansive moral
06:00species or you're against it and you
06:02know you want to like paralysis in this
06:04bubble where we're just going to
06:05compound the problems I think it's I
06:06think it's ridiculous yeah I mean one
06:08other way you could put it of growth
06:10versus degrowth is also kind of like a
06:12zero sum versus positive sum mindset
06:13right or of like we can pursue space the
06:17technologies will hopefully return back
06:19to things on Earth but also we can
06:22pursue space and pursue improving
06:24climate change and pursue Ai and pursue
06:26insert other exciting things here right
06:28it's it's not one necessarily versus the
06:30other although I do think it's really
06:31important to point out what we've talked
06:33about already several times is that you
06:35know there's several advancements uh
06:37from space I was looking this up because
06:39we're doing an episode with Privateer
06:41but like uh whether it's like Lasik to
06:43like limb Replacements to tires on your
06:45car like all of that has been impacted
06:48by you know unsurprisingly the very
06:50tough engineering challenge which is to
06:52to build these things in space return to
06:54Earth because it's much easier to
06:55actually apply them here
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