Former Priest REVEALS Jesus' MYSTICAL Lost Years & His Connection to BUDDHA! | Fr. Seán ÓLaoire
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💫 Short Summary
Father Seán ÓLaoire shares his spiritual journey, blending pagan beliefs with Christianity, and discussing the influence of his unique upbringing on his spirituality. The video delves into Druids, Gaelic mythology, and the significance of nature in Druidic culture. It explores parallel lives, different levels of consciousness, and the evolution of Earth. The speaker emphasizes the importance of mythology in preserving wisdom and creating personal cosmologies. Concepts like reincarnation, different dimensions, and altered states of consciousness are discussed, along with the future of spirituality in small communities networking globally. The segment concludes with reflections on Hinduism, love as the source of all, and the purpose of awakening to break free from illusions.
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Father Seán ÓLaoire's spiritual journey is shaped by his upbringing in Ireland and mystical experiences with Mother Mary.
02:01He lived with both paternal and maternal grandparents, learning about ancient Irish mythology and Christianity.
Father Seán's spirituality was influenced by his druid grandfather, blending pagan beliefs with Christian teachings.
His unique upbringing formed the foundation for his spiritual path, combining mystical experiences with cultural traditions.
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Influence of Druids on Christianity and ancient pagan spirituality.
04:56Gaelic mythology includes stories of Atlantis and the Celts.
Division of Ireland between the Celts and Atlanteans.
Emphasis on nature, storytelling, music, and ceremonies in Druidic culture.
Description of four seasonal celebrations and significance of light and darkness in Druid beliefs.
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Age of Atlantis
09:21Atlantis may be older than previously thought, possibly 12,000 years old.
Certification for finding mythical creatures
Certification may exist in Ireland, Wales, or Scotland for discovering mythical creatures.
Belief in supernatural beings
Story shared about fairies and gnomes in Ireland, emphasizing belief in supernatural beings.
Revisiting fairies, gnomes, and elemental creatures
Discussion on fairies, gnomes, and elemental creatures in relation to near-death experiences and pagan/Wiccan beliefs.
Parallel lives and realities
Mention of multiple versions of conversations and timelines existing simultaneously.
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The thinning veil between realities and the validity of other beings or creatures popping in and out.
13:20Exploring the concept of multi-tiered creatures, including physical, etheric, and astral bodies.
Discussion on levels like the mental body and psychic body, as well as Hindu notions of the self.
Explanation of the seven different levels of existence and the evolution of Earth from a simple rock to a complex planet.
Emphasizing the importance of careful navigation to avoid self-destruction.
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Discussion of consciousness, perception, and ability to shift focus.
17:20Examples of individuals like Yogananda and Baba Ji raising their consciousness and manipulating their environment.
Transition to a discussion on religion and personal exploration of different beliefs.
Experiences of being exposed to various mythologies and spending time in Kenya.
Fascination with different cultures and perspectives.
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Importance of Mythology and Stories in Preserving Cultural Wisdom.
21:56Storytelling allows for relevant interpretations based on circumstances.
Speaker reflects on experiences in Africa, learning languages, mythologies, and folklore.
Journey of creating a personal cosmology by embracing different cultural perspectives.
Criteria for a meaningful cosmology that should inspire, challenge, explain experiences, and evolve over time.
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Reincarnation of Great Souls in History.
28:01Souls like Jesus and Buddha are believed to be reincarnated throughout history to bring advanced spirituality.
Parallel lifetimes allow souls to play multiple roles simultaneously to accelerate soul evolution.
Characters like Jesus are aware of their various roles across lifetimes.
This concept is compared to an actor playing multiple movie roles at the same time without the characters being aware of each other's existence.
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Discussion of parallel lifetimes and energy distribution across them.
29:38Mention of avatars and bodhisattva vows, suggesting the idea of returning to help others awaken.
Touches on reincarnation, preconception contracts, and limitations when volunteering for physical existence.
Delving into the complexity of comprehending simultaneous lives with analogies like watching multiple TV shows at once.
Mention of quantum physics to reinforce the abstract concepts discussed.
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Discussion on the illusion of time and our perception of the past, present, and future.
35:35Influence of historical events and propaganda on human behavior is explored.
Differentiating between deterministic, probable, and possible futures.
Emphasis on everything existing in the eternal now and the purpose of incarnation for God to experience through us.
Concept of God fracturing into souls to generate experiences and scaled holograms repeating at infinite scales.
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Humans are like bees in a hive, gathering experiences for God through stories and incarnation.
39:33We are all parts of God but struggle due to programming and dogma.
Different religions' views of God are discussed, along with the idea that everything is God.
Emphasis is placed on the belief that we are divine at our core.
The speaker shares a nightly prayer affirming their connection to God and discusses transcending the mind's limitations to access cosmic knowing and quantum physics concepts.
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Importance of altered states of consciousness for gaining higher wisdom and understanding.
41:53Methods include meditation, spending time in nature, and interacting with young children.
Personal experience of communicating with a being by a creek.
Significance of connecting with spiritual realms for deeper insights.
Value of practices that shift consciousness for spiritual growth.
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The concept of trifurcation in the evolution of humanity is discussed, dividing into tyrannical elites, transhumanists, and those focused on spiritual awakening.
46:00Altering consciousness is emphasized as important for accessing higher realms and learning from entities residing there.
Imagination is differentiated from fantasy as intentionally altering consciousness to gain knowledge.
Interactions with beings at different frequencies and raising one's vibration to connect with them are explored.
The resurrection of Jesus and the Greek verb used to describe his appearance to disciples are also discussed.
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Beings lower their vibration to interact with humans at a lower level of consciousness.
49:53Altered states of consciousness and mystical encounters with beings from different traditions are explored.
The concept of beings from a two-dimensional plane encountering a sphere from a three-dimensional reality is used to explain higher dimensions.
Accessing greater powers through different states of consciousness is discussed, along with potential distractions and disruptions.
Jesus' resurrection is briefly mentioned in relation to dimensional perspectives.
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Exploring Mystical Abilities and Higher Spiritual Levels.
55:01Jesus is portrayed as transcending 3D reality with mystical powers like shapeshifting and levitation.
Various traditions, including Islam, Christianity, and yogis, share a common goal of reaching a higher spiritual level.
The meeting between Thomas Merton and the Dalai Lama showcases unity despite differing beliefs.
The discussion shifts to Merlin, examining historical and magical aspects tied to the figure, along with perspectives on miracles and cosmic laws.
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The cosmos is divided into physical and metaphysical aspects.
58:58Mystics understand and can utilize the laws of the metaphysical universe.
Jesus is believed to have encountered figures like Merlin in various mystical traditions.
Survivors from Atlantis are thought to have spread worldwide, with regions like Egypt and the Middle East potentially being remnants.
In a catastrophic event, only those living close to nature, such as Amazon tribes, would survive, with technology disappearing.
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Survivors of Atlantis are interacting with less advanced populations, teaching concepts and avoiding past mistakes.
01:02:54Mystery schools in the Middle East and North Africa are guiding the evolution of consciousness with a focus on morality and ethics.
Global shift in consciousness is reaching a wider audience than ever before.
Changing perceptions of time as a linear progression are discussed.
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The concept of cycles within cycles and humanity's historical progression.
01:06:35Transitioning from circular beliefs to a spiral perspective, emphasizing compassion and birthing God on Earth.
The teachings of Jesus and Buddha with radical messages challenging modern understanding.
Praise for the sacrifice and love shown by avatars and Ascended Masters throughout history.
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Exploring love, sacrifice, and separation to appreciate unity in the segment.
01:10:02Jesus' commitment to his mission despite facing doubt and temptation is highlighted.
The devil is portrayed as an analogy rather than a literal figure in the narrative.
The evolution of Hebrew Scriptures and the influence of Zoroastrianism on Jewish beliefs are discussed.
The absence of the concept of hell in early religious beliefs is examined in the historical context.
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Discussion on the concept of the afterlife in Judaism and Catholicism.
01:14:38Explanation of heaven and hell, highlighting that hell is not a sociological condition.
Mention of the period when the Catholic Church allowed people to buy their way into heaven through indulgences.
Reflection on the visit to Vatican City and St. Peter's, admiring the architectural and artistic grandeur of the place.
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Evolution of organized religion and potential decentralization.
01:20:35Overrepresentation of psychopaths in positions of power within organizations like politics, finance, and the church.
Organizations start with compassionate leaders but eventually become hierarchical and orthodox, demanding conformity under threat of punishment.
Prediction of a shift towards decentralization in various systems such as economics, education, and religion.
Movement away from traditional organized religions towards more individualized spiritual paths.
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The future of spirituality is seen in small communities networking with others, similar to synapses in a global brain.
01:22:40This model applies to various sectors like economics, healthcare, education, and entertainment, emphasizing power at the local level and collaboration between groups.
The speaker compares this vision to the concept of the internet facilitating connectivity.
They discuss the movie 'The Matrix' as a representation of evolving consciousness and breaking free from limitations.
The conversation concludes with a discussion on the movie 'Groundhog Day' symbolizing soul evolution and reincarnation.
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Discussion on Hinduism's concept of reincarnation and stages of incarnations related to pleasure, power, and service to others.
01:27:31Moksha, or liberation, is presented as the ultimate realization in Hinduism.
Speaker identifies as a pantheist, believing God is the sum total of all existence and more.
Love is described as the source of all, giving birth to light and shaping matter through logos.
Conversation also includes advice on living a fulfilled life and providing guidance to one's younger self.
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Discussion on life as an illusion and the purpose of setting God free from our projections.
01:31:05Emphasis on awakening to this realization and breaking free from illusions.
Promotion of the speaker's website, spiritsinspacesuits.com, for his work and writings.
Praise for the interviewer, Alex, as a conduit for spreading ideas to a wider audience.
Expressing gratitude for the interaction and wishing for continued success in reaching more people with an impactful message.
00:00And that there are beings and
avatars who understand the
00:02deepest levels of cosmic law and
can work with these cosmic laws,
00:07then I do believe in miracles,
that they're capable of doing
00:09stuff that the rest of us look
like, really, really,
00:12ridiculously miraculous, but
they're not miracles in that
00:16sense, because that's how the
cosmos is set up.
00:18I'd like to welcome to the show,
Father Seán ÓLaoire. How you
00:32doin father Seán ÓLaoir?
00:33I'm doing really good Alex, it's
lovely to meet you.
00:36It's such a pleasure meeting you
as well, my friend. You know,
00:39you and I have very similar
beginnings, if you will we both
00:44we both kind of came up in the
Catholic Church. Like I was
00:47joking with you prior. I did not
go as far as you did. I got off
00:52the roof. I got off the ship
earlier. And you said no, no,
00:56I'm gonna keep going. I'll
signal back and let you know
00:59what I find. But
01:02That was before we hit the
iceberg.
01:05It does before you hit the
iceberg. Exactly. Exactly. Your
01:10your work that you've been doing
for all these years? Me? Can you
01:15just tell the audience a little
bit about how you began your
01:18spiritual journey in you know,
in the Catholic Church, and then
01:23we're how you it seems as as the
Buddha behind you. And the
01:28lovely the lovely island beads
behind you. That's a much. I
01:32didn't see that in the Vatican
as much. So you've changed a bit
01:38along the way. So can you tell
the audience a little bit of how
01:40you've started your journey
where you've gotten to here
01:42today?
01:42Sure. So I was born in 1946, and
Cork city in Ireland. And for
01:48the first six years of my life,
I live with my paternal
01:51grandparents, and my great
grandmother was still alive. She
01:55was alive until I was nearly 10
years of age. Through this small
01:58squad little woman she was as
wide as she was high. And she
02:01was blind in one eye. But he had
this extraordinary mystical
02:04vision, as he was the greatest
mystic I've ever come across.
02:07So. So you had this
extraordinary devotion to Mother
02:09Mary, for her mother, Mary was
more real to her than you are to
02:14me, Alex right now. So she would
talk a lot to Mother Mary
02:16throughout the day. And as the
first great grandchild, I was
02:19privy to these conversations,
they presumed this was the norm.
02:23So she does just extraordinary
relationship with mother Marisa,
02:26I'll tell you a funny incident.
She would go to Mass every
02:29single morning in a Franciscan
Church in Cork city. And then at
02:33Christmas time, there was
another church called St.
02:35Peter's and Paul's, and it had a
life size crash. There are life
02:39size figures of Jesus and Mary
and Joseph and the donkey,
02:42whatever. But there were these
big, big steep steps going up to
02:45it. And she'd go after mass in
the Franciscan Church at
02:49Christmas time. She'd bring me
with her to visit the creche and
02:52She kneeled down and she'd be
talking to Mary. Now, there was
02:56a guy who figured this out. He
saw doing this on a regular
02:59basis, he decided to Tickler. So
he ran up ahead of us, hid
03:02himself in the straw next to the
baby Jesus. And my great
03:05grandmother goes up, and she's
talking to Mary. And all of a
03:08sudden the sort of pipsqueak
voices of my great grandmother
03:16says changes and says, Be quiet
child. I'm talking to your
03:18mother.
03:24That's absolutely amazing.
Absolutely amazing. So you start
03:30off with this kind of, there's
the norm for you.
03:34That was the norm. But then at
age six, a, I'm living with my
03:38maternal grandparents, and my
grandfather on that side who
03:41might call daddy Jim was a
druid, you know, he was a great
03:44musician, a great every step
dancer, and he was the greatest
03:47storyteller ever came across. So
we filled me up with all the
03:50ancient mythology of, of
Ireland, the core, and the
03:54Twitter Dawn and film the whole,
you know, Kohala and people like
03:57that. So had the two sides but
it ain't and kind of pagan past
04:01and I had the mystical kind of
Christianity. So that was kind
04:05of like the they were the
foundation stones of my
04:07spirituality.
04:09So when you say druid I've never
met druid. I'm assuming you're
04:13one of the first that I've met.
Can you explain to the audience
04:17what because I mean, as a
Catholic, this is all sacrilege.
04:21Obviously, we should all be
burning it out for even talking
04:24about mysticism and things like
this. But can you explain to the
04:29audience a little bit about what
a Druid is? Where the pagan the
04:33ancient pagan spirituality came
from, and how it affected
04:38Christianity, you know, and how
it all kind of mixed them
04:42together? Because it is much
older is Am I wrong? I don't
04:45know how many, how many 1000s of
years?
04:48It's gone back at least to at
least 1000 BCE before the Common
04:53Era, at least. Now, okay, it
depends on whether you're
04:56looking kind of at geographical
and historic Your records or
05:00you're looking at mythological
records. So for instance, in
05:04Gaelic, we have mythology about
a place called, we have to name
05:07certain Gaelic. Sometimes we
call a tilde for home, which
05:11means the land under the waves,
and sometimes we call it to nog,
05:15which is the the land of the
ever young. And according to
05:17this myth, there's, there's a
civilization under the Atlantic
05:22that had some Vichy versions,
that's gonna be called Atlantis,
05:25in the Gaelic version is called
fuel for home the land under the
05:28waves. And one theory is that
they actually came the Celts
05:32came from there when Atlantis
sank, that the one group of them
05:37who can eastwards and landed in
Ireland, you know, uninhabited
05:41Ireland, and they ruled Ireland
for 1000s of years. And then the
05:45Celts came about the year 600
BCE, and are two great battles
05:50between our between our color
toward the dawn and from
05:54Atlantis, and the Celts, who
probably came from Eastern
05:58Europe. And the Celts won both
battles. So there was an
06:01agreement that they would divide
the land of Ireland, between the
06:04two of them. So it wasn't that
one got the North and the other
06:07to the south, the one got the
eastern North got the got the
06:09West, but rather that the Celts
wouldn't have it Ireland over
06:12the ground. And the two of the
diamond wouldn't have an Ireland
06:16under the ground. So they're
shapeshifted and they became the
06:19fairy fork of Ireland. So yeah,
they change shape.
06:25The fairies, the gnomes, exactly
these
06:27Elementals of all these these
kinds. Yeah. And so the Cal Stan
06:32Kennedy does a cross
fertilization that happens of
06:35spiritualities. And for the, for
the druidic culture and nature
06:40is really, really important and
love of nature, and the the
06:43appreciation of nature and of
the feminine. So the feminine is
06:47really, really important in
druidical culture. And so you
06:51have a storytelling, you've got
music, you've got ceremonies of
06:56various kinds, honoring the
seasons. So we have four great
06:59seasons. We start first of
February with what's called
07:04Imbolc, which is the feast of
St. Bridget, who is a Celtic
07:07goddess and also a Christian
sand. And then on the first of
07:10May, you have what we call the
Alterna, you'll hear it
07:13mispronounced often as deltin,
as the first of May, then the
07:16first of August is called
luminosa. And the first of
07:20November is called a sovereign.
And so we divide the year into
07:24this four grid periods. And it's
interesting that for the druids
07:27and the Celts, the year began
with the darkening period when
07:32the sun was getting smaller and
smaller respondents guys, that's
07:35the beginning of the year. And
so it's that light is birthed
07:39out of darkness. For the digital
culture, a light and darkness
07:43are not enemy figures. You know,
darkness is the kind of the
07:46fertile womb, which just states
and gives birth to light. And so
07:52it becomes really, really
important that we understand
07:55that, that they're not enemies,
light and dark are not enemies.
07:58And the same thing the day, the
day for the Celts begins with
08:02the sundown. Yeah, and so it's
the evening 6pm Our time is when
08:08the day starts. So you get this
kind of reversal of the
08:12understanding that life and dark
are not enemies. They're
08:16actually they're dancing
together, one needs the other
08:19than one is the kind of the
fertile ground in which all life
08:22is conceived, carried and given
birth. And then light is what
08:25emanates from that.
08:26So take it back to the Atlantic
time, the Atlantis myth. That
08:31makes sense, because I mean,
from the point of Atlantis, the
08:35myths are that they, you know,
they went over to Egypt and that
08:37Thoth over there and they spread
around the, you know, when the
08:41the city under or the land
underneath the ocean, they
08:44spread around and created a
bunch of different civilizations
08:48in the Mesoamerica, and so on.
So that would mean that that
08:51that, that Atlantis, that the
this, this, the druids would
08:56actually be much, much older,
we're talking about probably
08:5912,000 years old, if it's from
its original origins, way, way
09:04before Jesus was even a glint in
in Mary's eye, as they say. So,
09:13um, that's fascinating, because
I've heard about and, you know,
09:17here in the States, you know, I
heard about this, and I Please
09:21confirm, is it true that you can
actually get certified to find
09:26is it gnomes or some sort of
like it like some sort of
09:31mythical creature that we
consider mythical? There's like
09:34a certification in Ireland, and
it might be a might be Wales and
09:38might be Scotland, please
forgive me. But there's a
09:41certification that you could go
to school and learn how to, you
09:44know, catch them or show like or
to check them or please tell me
09:48I'm out of my mind, or is this
is this true, sir?
09:52I'm sure I haven't heard about
that. I'm sure if there's any
09:55way of kind of creating
credentials or making money or
09:59somebody can real quick.
10:01I gotta be really good. If you
want to, if you want to catch
10:04gnomes, you're gonna have to get
a certification. But I heard
10:08about this I did look it up and
it did seem correct. I'm sure
10:12that's not part part of the
tradition, but that there is
10:16enough enough market that thing
exists and someone's actually
10:23paying money for it.
10:25So I'll tell you a story about
my grandfather used to tell me
10:27lots of stories about they're
sometimes called the Tour de
10:30Donen, which means the people of
the goddess Diana. So Dana may
10:35have been an Atlantean Princess,
that was part of the first wave
10:38that came eastwards, and that
settled in Ireland. And so they
10:42live now on the ground. So there
are areas in Ireland, they're
10:45called theory force. They're
round circle mounds of earth,
10:49under which the two had done and
live. So my grandfather told me
10:53a story one time and he's my
grandfather, so he wouldn't tell
10:55me lies. He's about the seven
year old boy. And they live
11:00about two miles from Blarney,
where the famous Blarney Castle
11:03is. Yeah. And there's a big
fairy fort in Blarney. And it's
11:07evening time and his mother
sends them down to the shop,
11:09which is about two miles away to
get a bag of sugar for the tea.
11:13And my grandfather is about
seven years old, he's wandering
11:16down to the village gets to two
pounds of sugar. And he's on his
11:18way back. And it's now getting
nice, and the moon is coming
11:21out. And he has this brilliant
music. And he was always a great
11:24musician, even as a child, great
musician. So he's wondering
11:28where's the music coming from?
And he sees the splink of light
11:30coming from the hillside. And he
goes up and begin small by he
11:33can see in and underneath.
There's this huge big gathering
11:36of theories. And they're having
a we call it Shamsa a feast,
11:42song and dance or whatever. And
he's looking at somebody spots
11:45him. And they're begging him to
come in. So he crawls into it.
11:48And he's delighted with the
music. And he asked him, Can you
11:51play music? And he says, Yeah, I
can play the federal. So they
11:54give me a fiddle. And he's
playing the fiddle. So at the
11:57end of the shim, so they're
going to have a cup of tea, and
11:59then to discover they have no
sugar. And my grandfather's I've
12:03got a pound of sugar here. So we
spread the shore, everybody
12:06exists on the server, they have
the teeth together, and then he
12:08crawls out back home, and it's
bright daylight, and the whole
12:12village is out looking for him.
He's been missing for seven
12:14days. And his mother says,
Where's the bag of sugar?
12:19Let me let me ask yourself that
shot. The concept of fairies and
12:25gnomes and these elemental, you
know, creatures have come up
12:31multiple times and some near
death experiences. In in some in
12:36obviously in some more pagan or
Wicca, the Wicca, which is I
12:43think, an offspring of the pagan
druid lineage, if you will. What
12:50I've heard and this is something
I've heard from a quantum
12:52physicist, fascinating that the
parallel lives and the parallel
12:58realities that we all live in,
that there are multiple versions
13:02of this conversation going on
right now. And there's multiple
13:05timelines. And there's a
timeline where you said, I got
13:08off the ship early, and you did
not become a father. And you did
13:11other things. And you know, that
that, that veil between
13:16realities is getting thinner and
thinner. And some of these quote
13:20unquote, other beings or
creatures that are popping in
13:25and popping out, popping in and
popping out. And that's where we
13:27see these kind of things. From
your point of view. What do you
13:31think of that? And from your
studies, and everything that
13:34you've done? How much validity I
know you can't prove it. But how
13:38much validity Do you think these
kinds of ideas have?
13:40I think they're hugely
important, I believe completely
13:42in it. So, you know, when we
think about what kind of proof
13:45can be reduced second of a
backup, any argument? It there's
13:48a whole branch of philosophy,
which is called epistemology,
13:52which adds to the question, how
do we know what we know? And
13:55basically, there are three ways
we know we know. The first one
13:58is some authority figure tells
us and we believe them. You
14:01know, the television tells us or
the priest transistor, the
14:04scientist tells us, that's one
or the second webinars, we
14:08experienced that for ourselves.
And the third way, we figure
14:11stuff out on our own, we put
pieces of the puzzle together,
14:14and we create the jigsaw puzzle.
And for me, no one of them is
14:17more important than the other.
So this materialistic science
14:21only believes you know, what the
sensorium can deliver to us. But
14:24I believe that, you know, we are
multi tiered creatures. And when
14:29you look at the Hindu notion of
body, for instance, so we exist
14:31at seven different levels. There
is the physical body which is
14:34vibrating between infrared and
ultraviolet, from 400 to 700
14:38nanometers, we can see that,
touch it. And then there's the
14:41etheric body, which is vibrating
at a slower higher frequency. So
14:45now you can see somebody's aura.
There they can astral body,
14:48which is vibrating at a higher
level of scale, and as the body
14:51we inhabit when we're dreaming,
so there is no time there is no
14:54space. I can dream tonight about
my grandfather who died in 1956
14:58and live 6000 Miles to me and
instantaneously, and they're so
15:02at the astral level, you know,
there's not near the distance
15:04nor time. And I think called
Hinduism, that's the level of
15:08the self of in which all of the
experiences of this incarnation
15:12just ending are archived and let
come back on the next time. And
15:15then the fourth level is, the
mental body is kind of Plato's
15:19ideal realm, the place in which
we do not have great ideas. And
15:22then the fifth level is that
psychic body, the place where we
15:26discover, clairvoyance,
clairsentience, clairaudience,
15:29cognition, all these kinds of
things. The sixth level, then
15:31will be the soul self, which is
the archives of all of the
15:34incarnations that ever lived,
and then the final leaveners God
15:39consciousness. Now, I believe
that there are seven levels of
15:43the physical planet itself that
this planet has seven bodies as
15:46well. And here's how I construct
it for myself. I think that the
15:50Third Rock from the Sun in this
galaxy, you know, that we call
15:53planet Earth, it started out 4.6
billion years ago, as a physio
15:58sphere, justly just a rock,
simple rock, and then at some
16:02stage, it developed an
atmosphere, another sheet
16:05surrounding the physio sphere.
So, the physio sphere can be
16:09studied by physics, the
atmosphere can be studied by
16:13kind of biology perhaps, then
the third level is the biosphere
16:18around the atmosphere. So the
atmosphere is like, is like the
16:21womb of the Earth, it was
necessary to create an
16:24atmosphere or a womb in order to
gestate life. And then it just
16:28stated, firstly, flora and
fauna, then there's the fourth
16:31level, and we're halfway through
that at the moment. And Tyler
16:34the shadow color, the newest
sphere, the sheet of
16:37consciousness that surrounds the
biosphere. And now we have this
16:42through the internet instant
connection all over the world.
16:45But it's a very dangerous place
to be, the journey from the
16:49biosphere to the newest sphere
is fraught with danger, because
16:53we can develop technologies that
will utterly destroy ourselves
16:56and the planet itself. So we
have to navigate really, really
16:59well in this space. Now, if we
manage this, there are three
17:03more stages afterwards for the
planet. The next stage, I call
17:06it, the atmosphere, an email, as
in the Latin soul, that there's
17:10a soul, the planet has a soul.
So there's a soul sphere. And
17:14then above that, as the new must
be a human being spirit. And
17:17then above that, finally, I
would call it the cosmos sphere.
17:20And so there are beings, you
know, extra dimension, extra
17:24dresses of various kinds all
over. And it's a question of,
17:28can I shift my, my state of
consciousness? Can they go into
17:32an altered state in which I can
see into other dimensions or
17:35experiences of other beings, and
we're surrounded by them. So we
17:38have to shift our, our focus in
order to see them. So it's not
17:42where we look, that's important.
It's how we look that's
17:45important. If I don't know how
to look, like I look everywhere
17:49and find nothing. If I do know
how to look, it doesn't matter
17:52where I look, I find everything.
And so these elements are as
17:55real as you and I are. But the
question is, Can I enter the
17:59state of consciousness in which
I can perceive that other level
18:02of reality. Because it's
completely real.
18:04Which is very similar to what
the yogi's, were able to do.
18:08Yes, the Yogananda's the Baba
Ji's of the world, they were
18:10able to raise their
consciousness to a place where
18:12they can go up in their stories
of Yogananda, going into
18:16meditation for two or three
days. And he would tell his
18:18followers just just whispered in
my ear, if you need me to come
18:21back, and he would be gone, he
would be gone in the astral
18:24field, and God knows where other
realms he was in. And he would
18:27come back and to be able to see
like in Baba Ji is the ultimate
18:30example of that being able to
completely play with reality in
18:35a way that we just don't know
how to yet. And Jesus was able
18:40to do that Buddha was able to do
that, to a certain extent. They
18:44were able to manipulate,
manipulate their environment and
18:48very high in yogic high, highly
developed Yogi's also,
18:52levitation by location, all the
things that are known. I have to
18:57ask you, Shawn, I mean, as a
recovering Catholic as myself.
19:03At what point when so difficult.
And I asked this question,
19:08because there are a lot of
people who are still, if they're
19:11watching the show, they have
questions. Yes. So if they're
19:14watching this, they're curious
about some things, whether to be
19:17angry at what we're about to
talk about, or to be enlightened
19:20by about what they're about to
talk about. And again, I always
19:24tell people, religion has its
place and there in people, if it
19:28wasn't for the Catholic Church,
I probably wouldn't have been
19:31exposed to the idea of God,
guiding of Jesus a guy idea of
19:36something larger than myself
without that education. It came
19:39with a baggage. Yes, and I still
feel guilty about it. But as a
19:44good Catholic you always feel
guilty as a good Catholic but
19:51when you started to investigate
outside of your what you've been
19:55taught, and you went really down
deep that rabbit hole in
19:59becoming a priest to become My
father, what was it like when
20:03your mind started to be exposed
to other ideas that are
20:08completely against everything
you've been taught? That had to
20:11been a struggle within you? Or
was it just you were just like,
20:15I'm open? How did that work for
you? Because a lot of people
20:18listening right now are at the
exact point where you were when
20:23you decided to read a book, or
go down other roads?
20:27It's a great question. Great
question, Alexa. I told you, I
20:31was under these two great
influences as a little child
20:33growing up mystical
Christianity, and kind of pagan
20:37kind of druidical. Mythology.
And so I spent eight years in
20:41the seminary, I'm ordained at
age 26. And I sent to, to Kenya,
20:45I spent 14 years in Kenya, and I
fell in love with it
20:48immediately. Now, I was always
fascinated by mythology and the
20:51fact the year, the year between
my junior and senior years, and
20:56in high school, I spent three
months in an area in Ireland
20:59where Gaelic is still the mother
tongue. And I was collecting
21:02proverbs. in Gaelic, we call
them Shannahan, which means
21:05ancient words. And I would
collect the promise from the
21:08elders in the village and ask
them, in what context would you
21:11use this particular proverb and
collect the 432 Proverbs in
21:16during the summer? I remember
one old man saying to me, he
21:18said, you know, if Christianity
had never come to Ireland, we
21:23could live according to the
Proverbs. He was absolutely
21:25right. Because stories and
mythology are the archive wisdom
21:29of a culture. Now, they're put
in story form, because if you
21:33express something
philosophically or
21:35scientifically, the terms change
over the years, and they don't
21:37mean what they originally meant.
You could tell somebody a story,
21:40and they can unpack it, you
know, in a way in which is
21:43relevant for the circumstances
in which they find themselves.
21:46So he got to Africa at age 26,
ostensibly, to convert people to
21:51Roman Catholicism, and they've
fallen away have the privilege
21:54of learning for different kinds
of languages, and the
21:56mythologies and the folklore,
and sooner begin to say to
21:59people, if Christianity had
never come to Africa, you
22:02couldn't live according to your
Proverbs, because the problems
22:06are the distillation of the
mythology of a culture. So the
22:09wisdom is inherent in it. And I
differentiate between wisdom and
22:13knowledge. For me, knowledge is
data that are generated by the
22:18sensorium and processed by the
brain. Whereas wisdom is data
22:22that are generated by the soul
and processed by heart to
22:25totally different phenomenon.
And so when you go into wisdom,
22:28and you process at the heart
level, you're on the basis of
22:31soul inspiration, you will have
access to a whole trove of
22:35information and data you don't
normally have. And so I know I'm
22:38beginning to say, let's trade, I
want to become what Carl Jung
22:42called agnostic intermediary.
And Gnostic intermediary,
22:45somebody who's so well versed in
two very different systems that
22:49he can cross fertilize them to
their mutual benefit. So I say,
22:52okay, here are the stories that
I can tell you from Ireland, you
22:55tell me the stories from Kenya,
and we'll see what comes up with
22:58that. So over time, I then began
to radically reassess. And I
23:02lived violently, quite literally
on the equator for 14 years. And
23:05so it was 12 hour, days, 12
hours night. So at nighttime, I
23:09didn't have electricity or
candles, there was no bloody way
23:12I could go to sleep at six
o'clock in the evening being
23:14Aries. So I spent a lot of my
time creating what I call my own
23:18personal cosmology. So one by
one, I'd examine the tenets of
23:22my belief system and say, if I
hadn't been born Catholic, if
23:25I'd been born Hindu, or
Buddhists, would I believe this?
23:29For instance, if I were born
Hindu, would I believe that
23:32there's a man in Rome called the
Pope, who has a high heart and
23:35there isn't fallible? There's no
bloody way we believe that fair
23:38enough. So okay, let's dump that
one. Yeah, so one by one I'm
23:41taking, you know, if I were born
Buddhist, and I heard 212 others
23:46as you would like them to do to
you, would I still believe it?
23:48Absolutely. Okay, we'll put that
in a different bucket. So I
23:51created two buckets, ones that
would make sense to me, no
23:54matter what background they came
out of ours, that would only
23:56make sense to me if I were
indoctrinated in a particular
23:58culture. And then I created a
brand new cosmology on the basis
24:02of the stuff that I that I said,
I harvested that I think created
24:05a cosmology, that could make
sense to me. Now, a cosmology
24:09should do four things for me.
The first thing is, it should
24:12make my soul sing. If I've got a
personal cosmology, that's
24:16adequate, it should make my soul
sing. Secondly, it stretched me
24:20out of my comfort zone. Thirdly,
it should be able to explain
24:24everything I experienced Extra
Terrestrial elementals, whatever
24:27it should replace for those. And
fourthly, it needs to be
24:31regularly updated as they have
new experiences. So I think that
24:35grows. So I've been saying that
for many, many years to my own
24:38community now in Palo Alto,
every one of us responsible for
24:42creating your own cosmology, you
know, that your life journey,
24:45you can't just borrow from
somebody else. You can be
24:47inspired by somebody else's
cosmology, but you have to
24:50create your own brand new
cosmos. So I spent 14 years in
24:54Africa doing that and then I
came to the States in 1888. And
24:57I continue to do it and as a
very Very quickly, I ran into
25:01problems with the with the
closure.
25:05Yes, they don't they don't like
when you with new they don't
25:08like new ideas I got in trouble
with the with the with the nuns
25:11when I go. So Jesus. Last we
heard he was 12. And then he
25:18shows up. And he's 31 31 32 30
something 30 30. And what
25:25happened? Oh, we don't talk
about that. But those are the
25:28best years like was he was he?
Was he a troublemaker? He was a
25:31teenager? Was he a bad teenager?
Was he I mean, I doubt that he
25:34was just, you know, walking
around turning fish into it
25:38loaves and turning water into
wine at 15. What was going on?
25:42Because the one thing that I
discovered in my research my
25:45journeys and research into
spirituality is that no master
25:50shows up fully formed. No
master, none in history has ever
25:55come fully formed, not Buddha,
and Jesus, no, Mohammed, not
25:58Baba, Gina, anybody, they all
have to go through the process,
26:02the same process that you and I
are going through. So that
26:05opened up the door as opposed to
the doctrine of a lot of more
26:09traditional dogmatic religions.
That is like no, they're
26:12infallible. They came fully
formed. They basically created
26:16idols, essentially, as opposed
to understanding No, these are
26:21representations. These are what
is possible. And that's what the
26:26yogi's talked about. That's what
Jesus talked about. That's what
26:28Buddha talked about, which is my
next question was my next
26:31question to you is, you've
mentioned that Jesus and Buddha,
26:35their their teachings are very
similar in many ways. But you've
26:39gone as far as saying that they
might be the same souls. That
26:43got reincarnated. Because in my
research going into the the
26:47Council of Nicaea, when they
were writing the Bible, which
26:51people still lose their mind
when they hear that for the
26:53first time, like, you know, they
pull books out of it. The origin
26:58story of Jesus is quite similar
to the origin story of Buddha.
27:03I'd love to hear your thoughts
on this?
27:05Yeah, I created a mayhem in
the church, when I first kind of
27:09suggested that that guy we know
Jesus of Nazareth was a
27:13reincarnation of guy when he was
at the border of 550 years
27:17before. But it makes perfect
sense to me, you know that. I
27:20think that every era needs an
infusion of extraordinary
27:24advanced spirituality. And that
fact, I just finished delivering
27:29a four day retreat to my
community, in which I talked
27:33about a life between lives
sessions that I underwent in
27:372006, with a great friend of
mine called Matt McKay. And I
27:41experienced, you know, at tidal
forces session, and I had an
27:45encounter with Jesus as part of
that. And one of the things I
27:48said tomorrow joking with my
says, Dude, come back already,
27:52we're in deep doo doo here, and
said, and he cracked up. So for
27:56me, I believe not only that, he
may have been the reincarnation,
28:01but that great souls attractive
and lesser souls, we, we
28:05multitask, we have parallel
lifetimes. And when people ask
28:08me, how is that possible? You
know, why? How is it that Dave
28:11and I don't know, the other
lifetimes I'm having. And the
28:14example I use is, I take like a
movie star like Sean Penn, I
28:17love some of his movies. And so
you know, suppose I were to put
28:20on a Sean Penn day in Palo Alto,
and I were to prevail upon 10
28:24Different movie theaters to show
a different movie of Sean Penn.
28:27And then one of them guys a dead
man walking, what is the last
28:31day of his life, he's about to
be executed? What's his name,
28:33and that he remembered his name
was?
28:35I don't remember his name. But I
do remember the movie that Fast
28:37Times at Ridgemont. High is
another one. And yeah, right.
28:40And the other one I loved was, I
am Sam, where he's mentally,
28:45where he's wasting a very
brilliant seven year old girl
28:47now, so I were putting on 10
movies of Sean Penn. And they
28:50all start at 10 o'clock on a
Sunday morning. Now the guy I am
28:54Sam has no idea whatsoever, that
there's another guy on death row
28:58just about to be executed, which
Sean Penn was the actor is aware
29:02that he's playing both these
roles simultaneously. Now, right
29:04now, so the actor is aware of
it. But the characters are not
29:08aware of it. So you got to wear
only if the character you're
29:11playing as Alex, and I'm only
aware of the character in PES
29:13and Shawn, but your soul self
was aware of all of the other
29:16roles you may be simultaneously
playing in order to kind of
29:19parallel process or speed up the
evolution of your own soul. So I
29:23think characters like Jesus,
particularly, because the soul
29:26is infinite, no matter how many
pieces you break out of it, you
29:29know, it's still infinite, and
that you can distribute that
29:32energy over parallel lifetimes.
And because there is no time at
29:35the other side, parallel does
not mean that they're
29:38contemporaneous. So I could
right now be paying a roller
29:41Sean, and Irish Catholic priests
in 2024. And simultaneously, I'm
29:47playing a parallel life in North
Africa as a slave girl in the
29:511300s or as an astronaut in the
26th century, some places and
29:56I'm doing it right now, because
there is no time when we step
29:58off this 3d man To the reality
of this little planet. So I
30:02think that the, the great
avatars particularly, you know,
30:07they're multi processing in
parallel lifetimes, you know,
30:10and at the really great souls
that keep coming back because
30:13they take a kind of a
bodhisattva vow, that although
30:16they've worked up all their own
personal karma, and they're
30:18coming back for the rest of us
to wake up the rest of us.
30:21Yes, and that's, that's what
I've heard from the Vedic
30:25traditions as well, that these
Baba Ji specifically. He's just
30:29hanging out here has been here,
I think they say 2500 years or
30:32something along those lines, and
works with Jesus and works with,
30:36you know, all the all the great
Ascended Masters. To do that.
30:41It's hard. It's fascinating,
because I've said the same thing
30:44so many times, it's like, well,
you know, if it was born Hindu,
30:47yes, I would have been Hindu, if
I would have been born Jewish, I
30:50would have been Jewish. It's
about the programming. It's
30:53about the programming within the
first seven years of your life,
30:55essentially, if what Bruce
Lipton says is, is accurate, and
31:00I think it is that I mean, I
would I was born Catholic, and
31:04that was just like you and your
great grandmother. That's just
31:08the way it is. You know, you I'm
assuming there's another
31:11timeline was somewhere that you
were born atheist, into an
31:14atheist family, you know, and
you have no spirituality
31:17whatsoever. And you're right now
in Vegas doing something that
31:20you shouldn't be doing.
31:23Can you buy me a ticket?
31:24Some sort of the battories
happening, I'm probably there
31:30with you, sir. I'm probably
there with you. But this idea of
31:34parallel lives. Because again,
because I have such a unique
31:40perspective of talking to so
many people from so many
31:43different walks of life, I'm
looking like you were saying, to
31:46put the puzzle pieces together,
I want to see the whole
31:48elephant, I want to see the
whole elephant. And not many
31:51people see the whole elephant,
they just see the tail of the
31:53trunk or the toe or the ear and
they say that's the elephant. So
31:57putting it all together. This
idea that there is no past life,
32:01that there is no future life,
that all lives are happening. At
32:04the same time. It's hard for us
to comprehend your idea your
32:09your analogy of the movie
theater, with with Sean Penn's
32:13brilliant, I have another one
that a friend of mine gave me,
32:17which is like, if you're
watching television, where you
32:19know, there's about 500 other
shows going on at the exact same
32:22time is that you're watching
this one show. But you're not
32:25aware of the other shows because
you haven't tuned into those
32:27shows. So and then, if you had
really wants to hurt, then you
32:31start talking about parallel
react to different timelines,
32:34and the multiverse and then
understand that it's infinite.
32:39How do you how do you wrap your
head? How can you what advice do
32:43you give somebody to wrap their
head about the things we're just
32:46talking about? Which by the way
now is being reinforced by
32:49quantum physics.
32:50Absolutely. Absolutely.
Absolutely. So here's one of the
32:54things I said, Alex, that, you
know, I believe that when we
32:57volunteer for reincarnation, and
we do volunteer, and we make
33:00what I call preconception
contracts without a group of
33:03other souls that will play
significant roles in their lives
33:06on planet Earth. But when we
volunteer to kind of come into
33:11this kind of physical plane,
this 3d dense reality we have,
33:16are subject to four limitations.
The first one is that we have to
33:20trade our cosmic being for this
little 150 pound in a spacesuit
33:25that I'm occupying right now.
That's the first limitation. The
33:28second one, I had to trade
cosmic consciousness for this
33:31little tiny laptop that I'm
playing between my ears. The
33:34third one is that, because this
laptop is so small, I cannot
33:38grok the entire gestalt of a
even incarnation. So I have to
33:41break it up into bite sized
pieces, and process them
33:44sequentially, giving rise to the
Illusion of Time. And then the
33:47fourth one is that there's an
uneasy creator just before we
33:50before we parachute into planet
Earth, grandmother, God pinches
33:55our nostrils and creates
amnesia, because part of the
33:58function of incarnation is to
figure out why we're here. If we
34:02were given the answers, we like
going to school and getting the
34:04answer to a test, so you don't
have to study. So there was
34:07amnesic credit. So these are the
four kinds of limitations on us.
34:11So time is a total illusion,
there is no time, I'd say no, to
34:15everything is the No. But we'd
come into time. And then my
34:18experience is that we break it
up into seven pieces, to two
34:22versions of the past two
versions of the present, and
34:25three versions of the future. So
the first version of the past is
34:28what actually happened, what
really happened, you know,
34:31historically, and we're
influenced by that, because
34:34we're the product of it. There's
a second version in the past.
34:37And that's kind of the dumbest,
which was written by the victors
34:40the historians. And that's
another version of the past. It
34:43may not be accurate, but as a
huge influence in who we are
34:46right now and how we're
behaving. So there's two
34:48versions of the past. There's
two versions of the president
34:51because there's what's really
happening in our world right
34:53now. And you're and we're
influenced by that. And then
34:56there's a second version of the
present, which is the propaganda
34:59that will be created bombarded
with on a regular basis, and
35:02that influences how we
experience right now says to
35:05versus the present. And then
there are three versions of the
35:07future, there is the version of
a deterministic future over
35:11which we have no control, that
is kind of it's been laid out,
35:14you're not going to grin and
bear it. I don't believe that
35:16for a moment. So there are two
other versions of the future.
35:19One is the probable future, the
likely outcome if we continue to
35:23do what we're doing right now,
as individuals or as a global
35:26community. And then there's the
possible future, what could
35:29transpire, if we change what
we're doing right now, so I mix
35:32these seven pieces together. And
that's the jumble of you know,
35:35how we try to deal with the
illusion of time, but it's all
35:38illusory, because everything is
the eternal Now, it's like,
35:42another example I use is, if I,
you know, download a book from
35:46Amazon, that's a Warren P 600
pages of the book. And I can
35:50download it like 10 seconds, but
it's gonna take me a month to
35:54read it. But everything that I'm
going to read is already
35:57contained in the book. Now I
have a friend of mine, actually,
36:00who loves to read detective
stories. But she loves to read
36:04the last chapter first. She
wants to know who done it. And
36:07then she'll go back and still
read the book. So she did
36:09mantich, and of the anxiety of
trying to figure out who done
36:12it. Now the truth is, we know
who we know who done it. It's
36:16all there already. The question
is, do you want to skip to the
36:18last chapter? Or do you want to
enjoy the process of reading the
36:21book? Do you want to kind of
enjoy the incarnation? And the
36:24alleged Separation from Source,
which is an illusion, you're not
36:27but enjoy the apparent
separation? Or do you want to
36:29just hang out with God, and
never have any adventures. So we
36:33are the way in which God
experiences that's the entire
36:35purpose of incarnation. Because
if you take, for instance, the
36:39Christian version of the
Trinity, or the Hindu version,
36:41like Father, Son, and Spirit, in
our Sat Chit Ananda, you know,
36:45that's a closed system. So if
God is all that exists, God
36:49cannot generate experiences,
there's nothing to experience.
36:53And so God kind of self
fractures into Hebrew we'll call
36:58nets would seem bite sized
pieces of herself. We call these
37:02souls, so a god fractures. So we
got these holographic fractals.
37:07And a hologram is an entity that
contains the totality of itself
37:11and every one of its component
parts. And a fractal is a
37:14pattern that repeats at an
infinite number of scales. And
37:16so we got all these scaled
holograms all over, which are
37:20ways in which God experiences
outside of our stuff. So we're
37:23like bees in a hive, that the
Queen sets out to gather pollen,
37:27and honey and stories, we come
back in the evening, and we
37:29don't just store the pollen and
the honey, we tell stories to
37:32each other. And so we are the
way in which God experiences.
37:35And that's why incarnation is
important, with the apparent
37:37Separation from Source, which is
only apparent.
37:40There's there's a couple times
I've said this on the show, and
37:44I've gotten comments against it.
And I want to hear your point of
37:48view on this. My take is that we
are God, we are parts of God.
37:54Yes, we are. We are fractals of
God experiencing the universe,
37:57just like you said. But because
of programming and dogma, it's
38:03beyond the capability of some
people to think that we are
38:07divine creatures. I said, we are
not crap. Do you think we just
38:12there's, there's crappy people,
and there's good people, we are
38:15all made of the same stuff
experiencing different story
38:18lines. So essentially, correct.
We are different actors playing
38:23in different movies. And
sometimes they interact.
38:26Sometimes you're the bad guy,
sometimes you're the good guy,
38:28and so on and so forth. But
people cannot get past a lot of
38:33people cannot get past this
idea. Because of the programming
38:36that they've gotten throughout
their life. What would you say
38:39to someone who tells you, that
is impossible. We are not God?
38:44We are of God. But we are not
God. There is only one Almighty
38:48God. And we are How dare you
even insinuate that we are part
38:53or anywhere near God? And then
if you start getting into the
38:56different religions, there God
is not. The guy with the white
39:01beard at the top, you know, the
thing that the da Vinci or
39:04Leonardo, Leonardo da Vinci
painted the guy with a long
39:08beard in the sky point Itachi.
He's not that guy. It's either
39:12Jesus or Mohammed or, or, you
know, Moses, or Abraham or
39:18there's so many other godlike
people, what would you say to
39:21people who are having a struggle
with this part of our
39:25conversation.
39:26Right! So there was a statement
I came up with years and years
39:30and years ago that I repeat
constantly to my community. And
39:33it goes like this, I said, the
life is a dream, that the ego is
39:38having. And the ego is the dream
that the soul is having. And the
39:42soul is a dream that spirit is
having. And spirit is a dream
39:46that God is having. So
everything that exists is simply
39:49God and drag. There is nothing
except God. So But God's self
39:53fractures, so we are divine at
our core. In fact, the last
39:56prayer I say every night is I'm
going to sleep. I say Move. I am
40:02love residing in the Sacred
Heart of my heavenly Father. I
40:06am light residing in the Sacred
Heart of Mother Mary. I am
40:10loggers residing in the Sacred
Heart of Jesus. I am life
40:14residing in the Sacred Heart of
the Holy Spirit. And I am
40:16laughter residing in the Sacred
Hearts of those who are awake.
40:21So for me, there is only God,
everything has to just an
40:24articulation of source.
40:25Absolutely beautiful, very well
put my friend. Now you did say
40:29something a minute ago where
that you were bringing us down
40:32to where we are in the
spacesuit. And we have this
40:34little laptop, in our in our
brains. I always joke that we
40:39just don't have the hardware to
process a lot of these ideas and
40:42concepts that we're talking
about, like, you know, there's
40:44no past there's no future, you
know, God has always been has
40:47never there's no beginning or
end to him or him or her. You
40:50know what I'm saying. But I want
to just dig in a little bit
40:55deeper to that, because most
people live in their laptop.
41:00Most people live right here. Or
when you Wyatt the mind, and you
41:05meditate, and you start to
disconnect from the laptop, you
41:11start to transcend the laptop,
you leave the laptop and then
41:15open yourself up to that cosmic
knowing that the near death
41:19experiencers speak so much about
where they know everything all
41:23at once. And it's an instant
download. And they have a
41:26complete comprehension of what
quantum physics is. They have a
41:28complete all of this stuff. But
we can't process that hard
41:32drive. It just it's impossible.
It's essentially trying to put
41:35in a multiplayer game online,
that takes servers and servers
41:41trying to put it back in 1984
floppy disk, it just won't work.
41:46So what can you dive digging a
little bit deeper to this bad
41:49idea.
41:50So for me, it is very important
that we regularly whatever
41:53method we employ, that we try to
access altered states of
41:57consciousness. Because this
Ratiocination this idea that we
42:01can rationally explain the
world. So I see that
42:05fundamentalist religion has shot
yourself in the head. And
42:08fundamental science has shot
itself in the heart. And so
42:11we're faced with a God shaped
hole in the human psyche,
42:15because when there's kind of a
literalist interpretation of
42:18mystical reality, and the other
is the belief system, there is
42:20no mystery outside of material
science. So I think is really,
42:25really important that people
have practices that allow them
42:28to alter their states of
consciousness, and they're going
42:30to mention a few to one of them,
obviously, is meditation. I
42:33think spending time in nature,
just watching what nature does,
42:36how nature solves problems.
She's been doing this, you know,
42:40nature has created life on
planet Earth 3.7 billion years
42:42ago, there was no problem that
nature of faces that it can't
42:46overcome. So watching how nature
does with these issues, I spend
42:50time, literally at in four hours
one day watching a California
42:54puppy, have you seen the
California puppies? Oh, of
42:56course. California, yeah, right.
So when when they're when
42:59they're coming first, there's a
little corn is like a little
43:02cone shaped had green hat on it.
And then they begin to blast,
43:06some, as the bead will expand,
the head goes higher and higher
43:09and higher. And finally it pops
off. And then the petals open.
43:13And I literally spent one, four
hours one day watching a scene
43:16in California puppy shed its
cap. And I think I probably
43:20learned more in about another
state of consciousness in that
43:23four hours than I did. And, you
know, I've been meditating since
43:26I was 18. Just watching that
happen. So spending time in
43:29nature. The other thing I would
say is spending time around
43:32little children, particularly
under age four or five, because
43:36they have just recently come
through the veil. And what we
43:39claim, you know, there are
they're imaginary friends,
43:42they're only imaginary to us,
because we can visualize them,
43:45but the child are absolutely
real. They're not at higher
43:47level of consciousness. So
they're interacting with beings,
43:51you know, which are much closer
to source than are we. So there
43:54are practices that we can engage
in, that will shift our state of
43:57consciousness for some people is
art form. For some people, it's
44:00dance. For some people, it's
music, for other people, it's
44:03spending time in nature, at
first on people is spending time
44:06with little children. So
whatever. For some people, it's
44:09plant medicine, the way Alaska
or whatever. And so in some
44:12senses, whatever allows you to
alter your state of
44:15consciousness with the correct
kind of agenda, that you're not
44:19just kind of going to entertain
yourself, but that you're really
44:22seeking higher wisdom than any
practice that allows you to
44:26alter your state of
consciousness, you know, that
44:29that's really important. And
that only from a higher
44:32perspective, can we see the
significance of stuff at the
44:36ground level. So for instance,
there's a there's a creek that
44:39runs through my property appears
called Piney Creek, and they
44:42spend 30 When I had my dog, my
dog died a few years ago, but
44:45she and I would talk for hours
and hours and hours, and they
44:48had many astral encounters down
at the creek. And so I go down
44:52there in December of 2012. And
as the guy is sitting on the
44:57banks of the creek, I've never
seen anybody and all the time
44:59ever over 30 years now, and he's
sitting with his legs dying in
45:03the water. And he's chewing on a
piece of grass, like an old
45:06farmer from Oklahoma. And I knew
everything in the astral realm.
45:11So I sit down beside him, and
they pluck a piece of grass am
45:13true piece of grass myself. And
in my mind, I asked the
45:17question, I wonder if he's going
to tell me a story. He turned to
45:21me. And he spoke a lot. He
obviously read my mind. He said,
45:23Yeah, I Well, he has the story.
And he told me a story about
45:27being an originator of life is
that I've been all over the
45:31galaxy planting life and many,
many different kinds of planets.
45:34And he said, we, we, we plant
them, we water them, we weed
45:40them, we genetically modify
them. And I can tell exactly how
45:44life is going to progress until
we give them free will. And then
45:47all bets are off at that stage.
I can't predict anymore, I was
45:51going to go up to that I can
predict it. And he said, and I
45:54tell you where you're at right
now, in your planet. You're not
45:57a trifurcation point, not just a
bifurcation, but a trifurcation
46:00point. He said Homo sapiens
sapiens as a stage where there's
46:04going to be trifurcation into
three groups. The first group
46:08called almost sociopathic was,
and these are the tyrannical
46:11class. You know, the elites are
the oligarchy what what they
46:14want to give to them, or
grabbing the world's resources
46:17was a political agenda or
economic agenda or religious
46:20agenda. And that's he called
them hot, almost sociopathic is
46:24the second group of being
created by them. And he called
46:26her alma, artificial Cialis. And
he's talking about
46:29transhumanism, creating
technology, which can kind of
46:33program and hack human beings as
the second group. And the third
46:36group he called Homer spirit,
Wallace. And he said, your job
46:41is to wake up and to refuse to
become Homer artificiality. And
46:44to kind of confront all those
sociopathic errs. And so these
46:48are the kinds of encounters when
you alter your state of
46:50consciousness, and you begin to
visit into astral realms or
46:53higher realms, that now you have
access to information and data,
46:58and avatars and kinds of
teachers and healers, that
47:01you're not going to, you're not
going to read about in the book,
47:03or you're not going to see them
on television. So having some
47:06kind of personal practices that
allow you to volitionally alter
47:10your state of consciousness on a
regular basis, that becomes
47:12really important. And that's my
definition of imagination.
47:16Imagination is very different
from fantasy. Fantasy is the
47:18ability to make up stuff that's
not real. Imagination is the
47:22ability to intentionally alter
my state of consciousness, enter
47:27into different dimensions, visit
with energies and entities that
47:30reside there, learn from them,
and bring that learning back and
47:33cross fertilize it with earth
knowledge.
47:36So the thing is that it sounds
that with these beings, and I've
47:40heard this so many different
ways, is that beings, ascended
47:44masters, guides, angels, all
sorts of different beings that
47:49are out are A, and I use the
word above us different
47:52frequency, they're at a
different vibe of frequency than
47:55we are. They can't come down to
this heavy frequency, we need to
48:01come up the meet us halfway, but
they're not going to be walking
48:06around the streets of New York
tomorrow, generally speaking,
48:10unless they've incarnated is
that in the end, when you are
48:13elevating your consciousness,
through meditation, through
48:16plant medicine, through
everything you said, you are
48:18raising your vibration, raising
your frequency to a place where
48:22you can interact with them.
Absolutely. And, and when we
48:25sleep, our dreams, we do that so
many times. Is that right?
48:30Totally. So for instance, last
Sunday was Easter Sunday. So I'm
48:34preaching about the resurrection
of Jesus. And I got a
48:36theological theory, but I got a
scientific theory. I got
48:39metaphors for it, and I got
stories about it. So for me, why
48:42was it that the disciples of
Jesus often didn't recognize
48:45them after his resurrection?
married my dilettante with the
48:48gardener? The two guys on the
right one was that he was a
48:50stranger. And so why was it that
sometimes they didn't recognize
48:53them? And the reason is that
resurrection the verb that's
48:57used in the Greek New Testament
about Jesus appearing, the verb
49:01is not in that, you know,
anybody looking in the same
49:04direction is gonna see him if he
appears, but rather, he chose to
49:07make himself visible. So there's
part of Jesus coming down a
49:11level. So suppose you decided to
come to come to Palo Alto, and I
49:15hear you in Palo Alto, they say,
Alex, I'd love to get to meet
49:18you. And you're staying in a
hotel in Palo Alto and you're on
49:21the fifth floor. And I dragged
off from Healdsburg, and after
49:24about three levels on the
ground, get parking, and we're
49:26gonna meet in the lobby, now,
you're gonna have to go down
49:28four levels to meet me, and I'm
gonna have to go three levels to
49:31meet you. And now we can have a
meal together in the lobby. So
49:34that's what happens that these
beings, they have to lower their
49:37vibration so that they're,
they're kind of discernible at a
49:41lower level, but only those of
raise their consciousness up to
49:45that equivalent. So there's
someplace in the meat in the
49:47middle. So as you're right,
walking on the streets of New
49:51York, you're not going to see
kind of avatars walking around,
49:53you're sitting right there. So
we have to learn how to refocus
49:57to altered states of
consciousness. And then these
49:59beings couldn't reduce the
vibration and come down to where
50:02we now are at. And then we can
have real mystical encounters
50:06with them.
50:06Now, going to the druid
tradition, which I'm fascinated
50:11by, in the yogic tradition, in
the bay in the Vedic in the yoga
50:15tradition, when there are
masters who reach a certain
50:19level of consciousness, they get
certain mystical powers,
50:24levitation, manifestation by
location, multiple things that
50:28they can do. Is there anything
like that in the druid
50:33tradition? When the druid or a
druid master, if you will, gets
50:38to a certain level of
consciousness? Is there anything
50:41like that that happens to them
it throughout mythology or
50:43history?
50:44Yeah, there is. Absolutely. And
so the interesting thing is, and
50:48you know, this, as well as I,
that in the Hindu tradition,
50:51they're called cities, you know,
without the great teacher. So
50:54you know, don't be kind of,
don't be attracted by this,
50:59these are just kind of artifacts
on the journey. So they're not
51:03necessarily kind of measures of
enlightenment. So you have to be
51:06really careful that that's not
the objective of the exercise,
51:08just to kind of somehow foster
these gifts. So they may come
51:12you're on the road. And if they
do, if you can learn to use them
51:15for the benefit of others,
great, but there can be an
51:17extraordinary disruptive
distraction. So with that, can
51:20you caveat then there obviously,
are techniques, and there are
51:23states of consciousness in which
we have access to much greater
51:26kinds of powers. So I remember,
for instance, there was a great
51:30novella written in some time in
the 1860s called Flatland. Do
51:34you ever come across it?
51:35I've heard of that Flatland.
Yes. It's a great, great book.
51:38Yeah. Everything's flat. And
then like, yeah, everyone's
51:40perspective.
51:41Yeah, exactly. So there are
beings who live on a plane, like
51:44a sheet of paper, and you're the
only two dimensional object. So
51:47there could be like a square or
a triangle or a circle, but they
51:51don't believe there's a third
dimensional reality is not
51:54possible. And then one day, a
sphere, from a three dimensional
51:58comes down and tries to make
contact with a square, you know,
52:01and the two dimensional, and
he's trying to persuade the
52:03square, that the third dimension
exists, and that's clearly
52:05impossible. If you existed, I'd
be able to see you, you know, I
52:09can't be true. So the sphere
system, I tell you what I'll do,
52:12I'll come down, and I'll
penetrate the plane in which you
52:15live. And initially, you'll see
just a little dust, and then the
52:18dot will become a circle, and
it'll get bigger and bigger and
52:21bigger, until they reach my
meridian. And then it gets
52:23smaller and smaller and smaller,
and under the disappear. And
52:27aggressive I got me see that.
And so that's exactly what it
52:30is, this fear comes down,
penetrates the plane, suddenly,
52:33a dot appears that the square
can see, and it becomes a circle
52:36that you can see, and it started
getting bigger and bigger. And
52:38then at some stage, you start
getting smaller and disappears.
52:41And it's crossing. Whoa, that is
amazing. Is there any chance you
52:45could take me to the third
dimension, so they arrange it,
52:47and he elevates the gate to the
third dimension? Now, at that
52:51stage, the second dimensional
guy back in the second dimension
52:58goes, Well, I wonder if there's
a fourth dimension, and the
53:02third of Michigan so it'll be
totally ridiculous. They're only
53:04three dimensions. So crapped
wherever we're at. Now, I use
53:10that example. Actually,
yesterday with the resurrection
53:12of Jesus, there's a story where
Jesus comes into the upper room,
53:15and the doors are locked, the
disciples are inside and their
53:18fear that they're afraid they're
gonna get hurt captors by the
53:20sword, the doors are locked, and
it just comes in. Now imagine
53:23Jesus isn't a fourth dimension.
Or let's say, let's lose the
53:27flatland there is the square on
a two dimensional surface and
53:30the sphere is going to come
down. If the sphere intersects
53:33with the plane, right in the
middle of the square, there's
53:37a.in, the middle of the square,
and then that expands, and
53:39suddenly it gets to the edge of
the square. And it goes past the
53:42age. And the square thing. How
did you do that? How did you
53:45penetrate my walls? Nothing can
penetrate my walls. And the
53:49Tucker's Yeah, he's coming from
a totally different dimension,
53:52now of Jesus, in a resurrected
sense, is at a far higher level
53:56than this 3d reality. Like, it's
like child's play to him, he can
53:59do anything he wants with us. So
now we've got the city. So they
54:02go back to the original
question, then, do you find that
54:05you're in Celtic lore? And the
answer is yes. That is a druids
54:09who are trained in all kinds of
arts mystical kinds of arts will
54:13exhibit abilities, like
shapeshifting, for instance, on
54:17regular basis, you know, our
levitation, stuff like that
54:21healing practices. So they'll,
they'll practice those, but the,
54:24the idea is not to get sidelined
by that, but accept those as
54:29part of the kind of the argument
for the journey. But the journey
54:32is more important than the
candidate, the weaponry I'm
54:34taking with me.
54:35It's so fascinating that the
more I talk to people, the more
54:38I have people on the show, the
more these ideas, these core
54:42ideas just keep coming up and
get reinforced that the truth is
54:46The truth is the truth no matter
what, and it's not just one way
54:49of looking at it. There's
multiple people, multiple types
54:52of traditions, all going to the
same point we're all trying to
54:57elevate whether it's through
mystical juice Islam, mythical,
55:01the Lord as the ones for Islam,
the the mystics of Islam, I
55:09forgot them but the mystics of
Islam, Sufis, thank you the
55:12Sufis, the Sufi isms, and the
mystics of Christianity and the
55:16yogi's and we're all going to
the same place. It's all just
55:21different flavors of the same
ice cream. It's all the
55:25different flavors of the same
ice cream. It just absolutely,
55:30absolutely baffles me sometimes.
I'll hear that.
55:35I heard a great story one time
about Thomas Merton and, and the
55:38Dalai Lama meeting accidentally
at an airport or going different
55:41places, and they recognize each
other in the airport. And
55:44nothing speaks to the guys
language. So they just come up
55:46and they hug and they start
laughing. And Actonel just
55:49cracking up. There's not a word
exchanged between the two of
55:51them, but they get it sold to us
all. You know, we're on the same
55:54journey as just two different
customers at the top of the same
55:57mountain. So when mistakes meet,
there's total unanimity when
56:01theologians made this cacophony,
you know, and religious wars.
56:05You're absolutely right. You're
absolutely right. This is in the
56:10this questions about the year
it's in the United Kingdom. I'm
56:15not sure if it's Ireland
specifically. I know this is
56:17more our theory and legend. But
Merlin Yes, Merlin had aspects
56:23of obviously paganism in druid
as well, right. Am I wrong? So
56:29can you tell me a little because
Merlin is one of those figures
56:32that everyone thinks is an
absolute? Oh, this beautiful
56:35story. But there's a lot of
there's a lot of historical
56:39information that there was a
Merlin, and he was magical. What
56:45would have been magic back then.
56:46Exactly. Yeah. So I mean, it's
interesting when you think about
56:49the notion of magic, our
miracle. If somebody were to say
56:53to me, Do you believe in
miracles, I have to say, What do
56:56you mean by miracle? If you mean
that God temporarily set aside
57:00the laws of the cosmos in order
to indulge the prayers of all
57:02the people, I don't believe in
miracles, but it by Americans,
57:05you understand that the cosmos
is much more complex, and we
57:09understand it, and that there
are beings and avatars who
57:12understand the deepest levels of
cosmic law, and can work with
57:16these cosmic laws, then I do
believe in miracles, that
57:18they're capable of doing stuff
that the rest of us look like,
57:21really, really, ridiculously
miss. Miraculous, but are not
57:26miracles in that sense, because
that's how the cosmos is set up
57:29as interesting. The Greek
spelled word Cosmos two
57:31different ways. When they're
spelled with a C, they mean the
57:35physical universe of which we're
apart, when they're spelled with
57:37a K. It means the metaphysical
universe of which the physical
57:41universe is simply a printout or
a hardcopy. And so the great
57:44mystics understand the laws of
the cosmos with a K and 60
57:49understand them, they can
utilize them, you know, so it's
57:52gonna look miraculous to us. But
it's not miraculous. It's how
57:54the cosmos is set up, is like,
if I bring a television set, and
57:58show it to a Bushmen of the
Kalahari, you know, and there's
58:01moving fingers talking to each
other. He think it's magic, it
58:04takes us talking America, if I
give the same television set to
58:07a toddler in United States of
America, it's just his
58:09babysitter. He's well used to
it. Now, it's not a miracle. So
58:13we have to understand what's
miraculous. It's only miraculous
58:16according to the mindset, and
the kind of limitations of the
58:18perceiver not to the actuality,
in itself. Yeah, Merlin is real.
58:25And there's actually a great
story in Christian mythology,
58:28that you heard of the character
called Joseph Mark armour, Thea,
58:32Joseph was the guy who went to
Pilate and asked to have the
58:35body of Jesus taken off Macross
there's a theory that Joseph of
58:38Arimathea was actually a
noncollege Jesus, and that he
58:41was a tinsmith, a very wealthy
man, and that he traveled all
58:44over the world, you know, to tin
mines. And they're very famous
58:47in Wales in Cornwall, which is
Southwestern England, which
58:52Celtic speaking area famous for
its Druidry. And that he would
58:55take the boy Jesus on these
journeys with them, so that
58:58Jesus would have met the druids
and the Merlin's of Cornwall,
59:03also, you know, just farmer
tears going east, you know, and
59:06Jesus meeting Buddhists and
Hindus, and to Egypt, that kind
59:10of the marry the Mystery Schools
of Egypt. So he's been educated,
59:13and many different mystical
traditions. But he wouldn't come
59:16across the Merlin of his time.
And druidical figure with the
59:20same kinds of powers that the
great mystics display, because
59:23they understand the cosmos with
the K. They're not confined to
59:26the cosmos with the sea.
59:27You just mentioned the Mystery
Schools of Egypt. I'd love to
59:30hear your point of view of the
mystery, because that's
59:32something I've heard about
multiple times. I heard that
59:34Jesus, I mean, I've had multiple
episodes of scholars who talked
59:38about Jesus in India, Jesus in
Tibet. I think it was Jesus in
59:42Tibet, in India and Egypt, that
they studied that that was that
59:47time period that was missing.
Right, exactly the stuff that
59:52really wouldn't really work with
the story that they were talking
59:54about in the Bible. It would
throw a whole lot of things out
59:57of whack. Can you talk a little
bit about what It was in the
01:00:00Mystery Schools of Egypt, we've
already established that the
01:00:04Latin the Atlantean, has brought
that's information over there.
01:00:08But from your research and
experience, what what are the
01:00:11Mystery Schools of Egypt.
01:00:12So when I look at, for instance,
I look at the world globe, and
01:00:16they look at the great
civilizations, but in the kind
01:00:18of the, the audience and kind of
the Occidental, you know, they
01:00:22have Mexico and South America,
and they look at Asia, you know,
01:00:27the great cultures that came
from Asia, India, and China, and
01:00:29you look at kind of North
Africa, and look at Egypt and
01:00:32places like that, and the
Levant, Israel, Syria, Babylon,
01:00:37Persia, places like that, it
feels to me like that. Survivors
01:00:42from Atlantis, you know, spread
all over the world. And we're
01:00:45trying to raise the
consciousness of people who have
01:00:47been totally traumatized, that
whatever population can, if it
01:00:50was left, we're absolutely
traumatized and reduced to kind
01:00:53of Stone Age. Because, if you
will, for instance, if there
01:00:57were to be a nuclear event, God
forbid, in our times, the only
01:01:00survivors will be the denizens
of the Amazon, people who know
01:01:04how to live, you know, and I
know just the forest in which
01:01:06they live, but technology will
be gone, as we understand it,
01:01:09the buildings will be gone,
transport will be gone, you
01:01:12know, television would be gone,
or communications would be gone.
01:01:15So that had to be revised again,
by if there were to be some kind
01:01:18of a remnant that survived it.
Now, if Atlantis was a very
01:01:22advanced society, and when they
think of kind of the Atlantis,
01:01:25I'm not thinking about
technology, necessarily about
01:01:28kind of mechanical technology,
as much as in mental technology,
01:01:32the ability of the mind to
manifest stuff that that's more
01:01:36important to me than pure, just
technology. And so if they're a
01:01:41remnant had survived, and now
they're visiting the kind of the
01:01:44remnants, trying to find out
other kinds of Survivor
01:01:47populations anywhere. And
wherever they encounter them,
01:01:50they begin to build from the
ground up. And therefore,
01:01:53they're going to look at as
Jesus did in his life, when
01:01:55Jesus talking to a group of
people, he's identifying him
01:01:59immediately, who's who's kind of
interpreting this, what I'm
01:02:03saying, literally, who's getting
it symbolically, who's getting
01:02:07esoterically, and who's getting
admittedly. And he realizes
01:02:10there's four different kinds of
audience listening to, and each
01:02:13group is going to take away a
totally different message. Only
01:02:15those were really mystical will
understand the core meaning. So
01:02:19now you get these kind of
survivors from Atlantis, very,
01:02:23very high civilization,
spiritually, and mentally, as
01:02:27well as maybe technologically.
And they're dealing now with
01:02:29people who have been reduced to
kind of caveman living. And now
01:02:32they're going to teach maybe
agriculture and canon and
01:02:35toolmaking, whatever, but
they're going to spot those
01:02:38among them who are ready for a
higher kind of learning, I know
01:02:42you have the idea of esoteric
knowledge, or mystery schools,
01:02:45they're going to call it aside a
few, a few of those, okay, we're
01:02:49gonna do a weekend seminar here,
I'm going to elevate your
01:02:51consciousness. So I think the
mystery schools that you find
01:02:54all over the Levant,
particularly, and in Egypt,
01:02:57where you can do survivors of
Atlantis, identifying sub
01:03:00populations that were ready for
never another level of
01:03:04evolution, and that they were,
you know, inculcate him into
01:03:07that. But they're being very,
very careful. Because in the
01:03:10past, as we saw with Atlantis,
ultimately, it led to the demise
01:03:14of Atlantis, that they used even
mental technology to destroy the
01:03:18entire kind of experiment. So to
be very careful, that to make
01:03:22sure that the kind of the the
new technology is working hand
01:03:26in hand, with a sense of
morality and ethics, and that
01:03:30you're not going to put a
nuclear weapon into the hands of
01:03:32a terrorist. And so I think, for
me, that's what the mystery
01:03:35schools of the Middle East and
North Africa represented
01:03:38This, I want to unpack something
that you said that was so
01:03:41beautiful that they identified
in the mystery schools around
01:03:46the world, not just in Egypt,
but different kinds of that kind
01:03:49of lineage in Mesoamerica, and
other areas of the world, that
01:03:54there were a portion of the of
the audience or of the populace
01:03:59that was ready to raise their
consciousness. But the majority
01:04:02were not. We I've been saying
this from the top of the
01:04:06mountain, we are now in the
greatest shift of consciousness
01:04:10in the history of humanity as we
know it, as we know it even
01:04:14more. So let's say you believe
in Lemuria. And Atlantis, we are
01:04:18actually shifting at a different
level than they were, they might
01:04:22have been more advanced in
certain aspects of it. But
01:04:26obviously, the ego was really
involved with that because it
01:04:28ended up to their demise. We as
a society now are shifting and
01:04:32consciousness in a large way,
where this conversation is going
01:04:36to be seen by hundreds of 1000s
of people, possibly millions of
01:04:41people. And people are searching
for it. People are wanting to
01:04:46hear these conversations. You've
been doing this long enough to
01:04:50know how things have changed
from when you came back from
01:04:52Africa and 88. This conversation
would have not happened. Not
01:04:57publicly at least maybe in a bar
maybe at a coffee shop. Or maybe
01:05:01when we were in Vegas in that
other lifetime, we might have
01:05:04had this conversation in between
poker games and drinks. But But,
01:05:12but I'd love to hear your point
of view of where you see
01:05:15humanity right now. And where
we're going.
01:05:19Usually a parting question,
Alex. And so, you know, we're
01:05:22stuck in the west with this
notion of time being a linear
01:05:25progression from the past to the
present to the future, kind of
01:05:29indigenous societies didn't
believe in that they believed in
01:05:32a kind of a circular, that there
are great epochs all the way
01:05:34some kind of, you know, a moon
29 days, as we follow the moon
01:05:38cycles, to a year of 265.23 days
in the Mayan calendar, to kind
01:05:43of 26.5 1000 years, you know,
the kind of the, the equinox,
01:05:50precession of the equinoxes to
Kennedy the cycle of our solar
01:05:54system around the corner in the
Milky Way galaxy. So they're
01:05:57kind of cycles within cycles
within cycles. But they wanted
01:06:00to be the parabolic or circular,
I believe, rather, in what I
01:06:04call a spiral, that we're not
even just going around the
01:06:09circles because we're going on
the circles, we're just digging
01:06:11ourselves into a rut and making
the same mistakes again. So I
01:06:14believe we're going in a spiral,
that each time we meet the same
01:06:17kind of situation, we're dealing
with more and more adroitly, but
01:06:20at some stage, even a spiral can
go asymptotic. So you know, if
01:06:24you took a graph and climbing
gradually, and all of a sudden,
01:06:27it goes a very, very steep
climb. And finally, there is
01:06:30infinite change in zero time.
That is an asymptotic. I think a
01:06:35spiral can go asymptotic as
well. And I think we're at a
01:06:38stage of the spiral of human
history, that's going
01:06:41asymptotic. And we're lucky
enough to be part of the
01:06:45birthing process. And that's
what compassion really means.
01:06:48When you look at the teaching of
Jesus when He says, You must be
01:06:50compassionate as your heavenly
Father as compassionate. The
01:06:53work is the word he's using in
Arabic, speaking Aramaic, as the
01:06:57word rock, the meme, Anwar Amin
is the plural for the word for a
01:07:01womb. So he said, You must be
warm, like, in other words, you
01:07:05must conceive and carrying give
birth again and again and again.
01:07:08And we're not finished giving
birth, until we give birth to
01:07:12God, that is the entire
objective of project planet
01:07:16Earth is to give birth to God.
So at various stages, you know,
01:07:20I first identify with my ego at
age eight once and then identify
01:07:24with my name Sean, and then I
identify with my family, and
01:07:27then identify with, you know, my
tribe and then identify with my
01:07:32profession or whatever, these
are all minor myths
01:07:35identifications, we have to keep
this identifying with lesser
01:07:38versions of yourself. But we
finally realize that we are
01:07:41guide in human garb, and that
our objective is to give birth
01:07:45to God on planet Earth, that our
mission is no less than to give
01:07:49birth to God on planet Earth.
01:07:51And talking a lot about these
avatars, these masters who have
01:07:55walked the Jesus's the Buddhas
of the world. And I've sat there
01:08:00and contemplate it sometimes the
absolute love that these beings
01:08:06have had for humanity, to come
down in barbaric times. And to I
01:08:14mean, the the teachings of
Jesus, the teachings of Buddha
01:08:18were so radical, they're radical
two day, people today are still
01:08:24having problems, wrapping their
head around what they said, in
01:08:28the in the information that they
were trying to give us. But I
01:08:31can only imagine, in you know,
2000 years ago, Jesus talking
01:08:36about, you know, you are, thy
kingdom of God is within you,
01:08:40you know, which is essentially
you are God, essentially,
01:08:43everything I can do, you can do
and more. These ideas are so
01:08:49hard to wrap our head around
now. Can you imagine what the
01:08:52basic programming of the day,
the lack of information, the
01:08:56lack of consciousness, at that
time here, at least, you know,
01:09:00we have some base of information
after 2000 years, but they
01:09:05didn't even have an Buddha even
before then absolute barbaric
01:09:09times, for them to come down and
sacrifice themselves in a way
01:09:14that they know they're gonna,
they're gonna get rocks thrown
01:09:16at them, they're gonna get
absolutely, this is not going to
01:09:19be a fun ride. And yet they did
it out of love for humanity. In
01:09:24all the avatars and all the
Ascended Masters do this. It's
01:09:27pretty remarkable. I'd love to
hear what you think about that.
01:09:29I totally agree with you. That's
the essence of love, Alex, it
01:09:33has the kind of the total, a dis
identification, and Paul's has a
01:09:37very beautifully in his letter
to the Philippians where he
01:09:39says, you know, had that mindset
in you, which was also in Christ
01:09:42Jesus, although he was God, he
did not think with the victory,
01:09:46but he emptied himself taking
the form of a slave and being
01:09:49found in human form. He humbled
Himself even to accepting death,
01:09:52death on a cross. Is that what
you're saying? I mean, how much
01:09:56love can you have, where you
renounce your own divinity in
01:09:59order to get To temporarily
identify with the deepest,
01:10:02darkest, densest part, and this
Bueller pass. I'm not a big
01:10:06believer in the creedal
formulations of the Catholic
01:10:08Church. But there's one line in
the apostles creed that comes
01:10:12from the fourth century, where
it says, after he died, I was
01:10:15putting the tomb, he descended
into hell, as like Christ has so
01:10:20much love, that he descended
into the deepest, darkest
01:10:23dungeons of life forms, in order
to bring light to people who are
01:10:27them without hope of any kind.
And in some senses, that's what
01:10:32the avatars all do by coming to
Planet Earth. But it's also what
01:10:35you did, and what I did and what
everybody else is doing, that we
01:10:39who are bite sized pieces of God
had so much love for the divine,
01:10:42that we wanted to experience the
Union by temporarily experienced
01:10:46separation. Because unless
you're, unless you're
01:10:49experienced darkness, you don't
have a full appreciation of
01:10:51light. Unless you have
experienced being away from
01:10:54home, you don't fully appreciate
home, unless you're separated
01:10:57apparently from God, you don't
appreciate who God is. And that
01:11:00these beings had the
extraordinary love that they
01:11:03could orderly kind of inhabit
spaces, which was so dense and
01:11:08so dark, that they could even be
gaslighted. And this was the
01:11:12kind of this for me was the
great temptation of Jesus and
01:11:15get 70 That and the night before
he died, Satan comes from one
01:11:18final train says, Yeah, your
fingers like the Buddy is no
01:11:22father. There is no good. You've
wasted your time. You know, get
01:11:26out of dodge, when you still
have time. You're gonna be
01:11:28carved this time tomorrow. It's
all made up. It's a crapload.
01:11:32There is no God, there is no
mission, you made it up, you're
01:11:34hallucinating. And that's why
Jesus sweated blood. But one
01:11:38horrible moment is thinking, Oh,
my God Almighty, did I just make
01:11:42this up? Did I dedicate my life
to something which is a myth?
01:11:45And then still is able to say
no, I'm going to cleave, I
01:11:48remember why he came, I'm going
to stick with the program.
01:11:50And that story, the story of the
devil is an analogy. It is a
01:11:55myth of like, there wasn't that
literal devil showed up in their
01:11:59little receipt and showed up in
please. You're more scholarly,
01:12:03I'm imagining then I am in the
in the Christian Catholic text.
01:12:09is the true that there is no
hell. In the Old Testament. I
01:12:13haven't read the Bible quite
some time that the concept of
01:12:16Hell was brought into the New
Testament, and really reinforced
01:12:20when Dante wrote that little
series of books. Because that's
01:12:24the idea. The idea of hell that
we have in popular culture is
01:12:28daunting.
01:12:29Right! Right. Yeah. So it's a
great question. You know, part
01:12:33of the problem was that when you
look at the history of the
01:12:35evolution of the Hebrew
Scriptures, so they only began
01:12:38to be written down about 550
BCE. And so although they're
01:12:42talking about times with pre
data, that they're only actually
01:12:45writing their texts by 550 BCE,
and they're in exile in Babylon.
01:12:49And there's only two tribes left
Judah and Benjamin, the 10
01:12:52northern tribes had been
destroyed in 722 BCE, by the
01:12:56Assyrian Empire. So there's two
tribes left. And at this stage,
01:12:59Zoroastrianism is very strong in
Persia, and the Persian Empire
01:13:03overcame the Babylonians and
fight 39 BCE, and set the last
01:13:07two tribes of Israel free to go
back to the land of Israel. But
01:13:10while they're in, in Babylon,
they come under the influence of
01:13:13Zoroastrianism. And
Zoroastrianism is really, really
01:13:16big into, they've reduced the
painting of the village down to
01:13:19two, two gods, the god of light
and darkness, or who the man is
01:13:23the anatomy man, and the Jews
are picking that up. And when
01:13:26they come back, they fuse the
two into a single divinity. And
01:13:30so, at this stage now, Judaism
has no belief in life after
01:13:33death at that stage, nobody from
life after death. So you have to
01:13:37come right down to about the
time that the Maccabees which is
01:13:39about 187 BCE, before there's a
motion of life after death. So
01:13:43the idea of hell wouldn't make
any sense. If there is no
01:13:46afterlife, we just disappear.
And once we die, we disappear.
01:13:49So from 187 onwards, then I
think, Okay, what does happen,
01:13:53you know, when we die, and so,
in the, the books of Maccabees,
01:13:58which aren't included in the, in
the person scriptures, but they
01:14:01are in the Catholic scriptures,
there are offerings given for
01:14:05the dead, as well, the belief
system was that those who are
01:14:08destined for an afterlife, you
know, Rose somehow, and those
01:14:12who were, who were bad,
dissolved, they disappeared to
01:14:15have a non existence. So it's
not like there's a heaven and
01:14:18hell, and one group at the top
was down, and the other guy that
01:14:20comes up, there's no Thomas down
there, just disintegration, you
01:14:23don't exist anymore. So the idea
of an afterlife was really
01:14:27linked into Judaism. And it's
primarily either a heaven or
01:14:31nothing else. But at the time of
Jesus, then there was an area
01:14:34outside Jerusalem, which was
like garbage pile where they
01:14:38burned all the garbage from the
city, and it was called Gahanna.
01:14:41That's when there's a constant
fire going on there. So Jesus
01:14:44will use that metaphorically, as
those people, you know, were
01:14:47burning wood kind of their own
self importance and their their
01:14:52selfishness and they're non
committal to compassionately
01:14:55saying they're going to burn in
Ghana, but he's talking about
01:14:58not about a plasmid. eternal
torment. He talks about what
01:15:01happens when you're in the grip
of the flames of addiction or
01:15:05narcissism of various kinds.
What that will be translated in
01:15:08by the Catholic Church as an
actual Lorcan locale, you know,
01:15:11and that if you don't do what
the Catholic Church tells you to
01:15:13do, you're going to get the
thumbs down, and you gonna spend
01:15:16eternity in hell. For me, held
does not exist. Hell as a as a
01:15:22sociological phenomenon, that we
create interest psychically or
01:15:26socially among ourselves by the
way in which we behave, but it
01:15:30is not an afterlife condition.
And heaven is not a canvas place
01:15:33when you get I know you, I made
it. I know you get your NCC 137
01:15:38Here's your happen. Here's your
your MCs, heaven is an infinite
01:15:41gradation of ascending
frequencies. As you grow more
01:15:45and more now, you have a
different experience in the
01:15:47afterlife. So it's not like just
a one size fits all.
01:15:51And isn't. Is it a true though
the characters did talk about
01:15:54hell. And if you don't do well,
but wasn't there a pope at a
01:15:58certain point go, now there is a
hell but for a price we can get
01:16:03you in. We know we know the door
guy. But St. Peter, we could put
01:16:08a good word in for you. And you
could walk in just pay us there
01:16:11was a there was like a 50 or 100
year period, that the Catholic
01:16:15Church buying your way into.
01:16:17That was the 1500 that were at
the time of that was sent
01:16:21Luther. In fact, when in the
cases where you could buy
01:16:26indulgences, you know, if you
pay it again if they were
01:16:29upgrading St. Peter's at the
time, so you could spring people
01:16:31on appropriately or save them
from hell. So yeah, you keep the
01:16:34route and you pay up and then we
get to read the heavens, like
01:16:36the modern decade of preachers,
you know, you can send me $100
01:16:42first.
01:16:43You can have you can have a
limousine, but God needs I need
01:16:45a Learjet I needed earlier just
to please everybody send me
01:16:50money. And they say it with such
confidence. It's fascinating. So
01:16:55I assume that you've been to
Vatican City, you've been to St.
01:16:58Peter's.
01:16:59My faith. My faith isn't strong
enough to survive Rome.
01:17:04Oh, my so I've actually been to
a place I've been to I've been
01:17:07to Rome. Okay. Well, Rome
itself, a city is wonderful. But
01:17:10I've been to Vatican City. And
when I went to Vatican City, I
01:17:14went to St. Peter's. And I
walked in and it's, I mean, it's
01:17:19a stunning place. And I'm really
I mean, you, you can't you can't
01:17:22deny the all of what they built.
It's, it's a it's just awe
01:17:27inspiring. It really is, on a
engineering standpoint, on an
01:17:31artistic standpoint,
Michelangelo's over here and
01:17:34it's just amazing. And then I
got to go down to the archives,
01:17:38or the catacombs to the
catacombs where the Pope's are
01:17:41buried, they had an open, I just
happen to walk in. And I'm
01:17:45walking around. And I'm seeing
Oh, there's Pope Luther. There's
01:17:48another poll from the 1300s. And
they're all just, you know, in
01:17:51their, in their in their they're
just lying there, chillin. And
01:17:55then I turn a corner. And I
wasn't allowed to take pictures.
01:17:58They said Please, no pictures or
video while you down there. So I
01:18:01respected that. I turned the
corner and I see this room that
01:18:06is ornate in a way that nothing
else down there is everything
01:18:10else. There's very stone and you
know, it's a Catacomb. But this
01:18:14place had artwork, it had a
glass door. It's all of this and
01:18:19I'm like looking I'm like what
was in there. And it was St.
01:18:23Peter. Wow, it's Peters it's
Peters remains wrong. So and I
01:18:29was like whole league, holy crap
seriously. I couldn't believe in
01:18:34the it was just such a
fascinating idea. Because in the
01:18:39culture that we live in of
celebrity, he's a pretty big
01:18:43celebrity. That scope of
Christianity is St. Peter. But
01:18:48as I was walking out, throughout
the entire time I was there. I
01:18:52just kept saying, it just kept
saying to my wife, I kept saying
01:18:56it to myself, I don't this has
nothing to do with Jesus. This
01:19:00has absolutely nothing to do
with a son of a carpenter
01:19:08walking around, trying to
elevate and awaken the people he
01:19:13spoke to. This is so not what he
had in mind. You know, I know
01:19:20you and I both love Yogananda
and his My favorite quote of
01:19:23yoga, one of my favorites of his
is Jesus was crucified in one
01:19:26day, but his teachings were
crucified for the next 2000
01:19:28years. And it's, it's so so
true. What do you I want to ask
01:19:35you what your perspective is on
this because against this,
01:19:37you've been at this longer than
I have. You've seen how things
01:19:41have changed. I remember when I
went to Catholic school, it was
01:19:45still Catholic school. It was
still non Roman Catholic Church,
01:19:49the nuns. There was power there
was there was no there's no you
01:19:54know, issues with the priests
back then. Most none of that
01:19:57stuff going on. They hadn't come
out yet. Mmm. But it seems that
01:20:02people are running away from
organized religion in general,
01:20:06and opening themselves up to the
ideas that you figured out early
01:20:11on in your path. Where do you
think this is all heading for
01:20:15organized religion in general,
not just the Catholic Church, we
01:20:20pick on it because that's we
have the rights to. But
01:20:24generally speaking, all
organized religions, fear based
01:20:27religions, who are more dogmatic
and people are just running
01:20:32from, what do you think this is
all gonna go?
01:20:35I think not just religion. But I
think the entire world situation
01:20:40is moving into an era of
decentralization. I think it's
01:20:44true in our economic models, or
educational systems, or medical
01:20:47models, or political systems, or
religious systems, that, you
01:20:51know, these mega organizations,
you know, what I've seen again,
01:20:55and again and again, is that
there's about between one and 2%
01:21:00of the population are born as
psychopaths. But when you look
01:21:04at the upper echelons of
politics, and finance, that the
01:21:09churches, the military
organization, they're
01:21:11psychopathology is gravely over
represented there, that some of
01:21:15these people managed to get
themselves to the top of these
01:21:18organizations. So what I've seen
again, and again, and again,
01:21:21with all organizations that
start off with some kind of
01:21:24mystical or compassionate
impulse, it goes through the
01:21:26following cycle. The first thing
is that you get some kind of a
01:21:30really an avatar figure, a
really compassionate figure with
01:21:35a mystical impulse, mystical
vision. And he's very
01:21:38charismatic individuals are a
group of kinds of disciples or
01:21:40followers gathered on stage to a
group of followers. Stage three
01:21:44is, this guy is almost
inevitably he's assassinated or
01:21:47killed or crucified almost
inevitably, state foreigners,
01:21:50the disciples, no create a
community in his memory. Stage
01:21:54four, stage five is now this
community organize itself into
01:21:58an organization. Stage Five is
some little group get to the top
01:22:02of the organization, often self
appointed hierarchy. stage seven
01:22:05is now the ancestor an orthodox
orthodoxy, you have to believe
01:22:09this if you're gonna be a member
of our group, stage seven is, if
01:22:12you don't believe what we tell
you, we're going to give subject
01:22:14to the Inquisition, we're going
to literally tell you, could you
01:22:17live apart? The next stage is,
if we have enough power, we're
01:22:21not going to lead crusade
against the outsiders who don't
01:22:23believe we're going to convert
them and we're gonna kill them.
01:22:26Yeah,
01:22:26In Jesus name in Jesus name,
amen, Jesus.
01:22:31And then some new prophet Orion
says the guys, this is not the
01:22:34master said, to get Francis of
Assisi coming in the 1200s. And
01:22:37saying, Guys, this is not what
the master was about. And he
01:22:40finds a new organization with a
new vision called the
01:22:43Franciscans, what happens?
Within 200 years, the
01:22:47Franciscans are in charge of the
Inquisition, they are pulling
01:22:50people in from limb. Yeah. So
you get the same cycle. Again, I
01:22:53see the same thing in politics,
economic model. So I see that
01:22:57the future of spirituality is in
a kind of small communities, you
01:23:02know, kind of like networking
with adjure, like synapses on a
01:23:06global brain. And that the same
thing is true of economic
01:23:08models, or medical systems, or
educational models, or
01:23:11entertainment models, that is
gonna be much more power at the
01:23:15local level, and then
interfacing with other groups
01:23:17and learning from each other. I
think that's, that's what the
01:23:21ShakeOut was going to lead to,
01:23:23And the internet as a big part
of that. Yeah, no connectivity.
01:23:27Yeah, there was the title of the
shadow with the newest fear,
01:23:30again, of the mind, mind sheath,
but we need to break through the
01:23:33mind, she learned to the animal
sphere, which is the soul,
01:23:37sphere, and then the numerous
sphere, the spirit sphere, and
01:23:40finally together, God
consciousness itself. So we're
01:23:43only halfway there in this
journey, back to source.
01:23:46And I always I talk about this
movie a lot on the show, because
01:23:50I think it's such a wonderful
representation of a lot of the
01:23:53ideas and core concepts we're
talking about, which is the
01:23:56matrix, which is I'm assuming
you've seen the matrix matrix.
01:24:01And Neil, who is basically
Jeffries, who is also if you've
01:24:07it's also the one, it literally
His name is the one just
01:24:10Mispillion that all these ideas,
how he's able to evolve
01:24:16throughout the course of the
movie to the point where he
01:24:18becomes a master and is able
then to manipulate the dimension
01:24:23that he's in both not only the
dimension, that the matrix,
01:24:26which is the false dimension,
but also the he eventually gets
01:24:30the point where he can do it in
the real life, the real world as
01:24:34well. So he becomes all all
powerful throughout his own
01:24:38beliefs of being able to raise
his own consciousness to a
01:24:42certain level. So I think that's
one of those movies that changed
01:24:46as humanity I think actually
came out it just the ideas that
01:24:50dropped it was see it's seated
the population in a way that is
01:24:55is rippled to this day.
01:24:57Beautiful. Yeah, bring a long
time since I saw But I totally
01:25:00agree with you. I know when you
when you have an appreciation of
01:25:03movies that I don't have to say,
I never made that connection
01:25:06between you and one. Thanks for
that. Yeah.
01:25:10Well, I mean, I'll argue and
I'll argue the most spiritual
01:25:13movie of all time, what do you
think the most spiritual movie,
01:25:16in my opinion of all time is,
and we'll finish it on this. And
01:25:20it came out, it came out in the
90s. It came out in the 90s. And
01:25:23it's a comedy.
01:25:27Let me think about you. I see a
movie about every three years,
01:25:31Alex.
01:25:32Okay, so you might not be the
one to ask this question, too.
01:25:34But I'll tell you, did you ever
see a movie called Groundhog's
01:25:36Day? Groundhog's Day is the most
spiritual film ever made? In my
01:25:44opinion, you know why? Because
it is the it is a representation
01:25:48of the soul's evolution, and
reincarnation, and if so, he
01:25:54starts off, he starts off, like,
what will I have, if I have all
01:25:58power, I'll eat a lot, I'll have
sex, I'll do this. But then if
01:26:01he gets bored, he's like, Well,
there's only so much you know,
01:26:05so many people I could sleep
with and so much food I can eat
01:26:09and so much money I can spend,
then he starts to travel, and
01:26:12maybe I should help some people.
Maybe I should educate myself to
01:26:15the point where he finally gets
to the end, evolved to this
01:26:19almost mystical, godlike
creature. That is, until he
01:26:25finally able to break free of
the of the recycle cart,
01:26:31reinstall the reincarnation
cycle. And he finally breaks
01:26:34free to then live the rest of
his life off normally again, but
01:26:39he has built out all of this
stuff. So it's just but it's so
01:26:42much in that movie parallel
lives multiverse, reincarnation,
01:26:46the souls of illusion, what do
you I just love to hear your
01:26:49thoughts on that.
01:26:49I love it. I love that
interpretation says immediately
01:26:53as you were saying it, it
brought me back to the Hindu
01:26:56notion of you know, the
different kinds of levels of
01:26:59reincarnation that we start off,
you know, and we're addicted to
01:27:03sensual pleasure. And Hinduism
says there's nothing wrong with
01:27:06that, you know, if you can enjoy
good sex, or good wine, or good
01:27:08food or whatever, but at some
stage, after maybe 100
01:27:11incarnations, you think there
must be something more to life
01:27:14than just good food. And then
you see, okay, power, privilege
01:27:19and prestige, I need to can be a
powerful individual, or control
01:27:23of people or whatever. And, and
there's nothing wrong with that
01:27:25if you can exercise power, you
know, with compassion. But at
01:27:28some stage, you realize there
must be something more to life
01:27:31than just sensory pleasure and
power. And then the third series
01:27:34of incarnations have to do with
that service that you're
01:27:38compassionately reaching out to
others within Hinduism says, but
01:27:41even that one is an illusion,
because is predicated on the
01:27:45notion of separation, I can't be
of service to you. And that's a
01:27:48thing that your other than I. So
the realization of moksha, that
01:27:52there is only one. So that's the
final series of incarnations,
01:27:55then the realization of moksha.
So that's what I hear you saying
01:27:58in the in the Bill Murray movie,
that's beautiful. Yeah. Is
01:28:03Seán I literally can talk to
you for another seven days,
01:28:06eight days, nine days, 10 days.
This is It's been such a
01:28:10wonderful pleasure talking to
you. I mean, literally, I can't
01:28:13wait to our next conversation.
But as you since you are a fan
01:28:17of the show, and you've watched
the show a bunch, you know that
01:28:18I'm gonna ask you a few
questions. Ask all my guests.
01:28:21Yes. So my first question is,
what is your definition of
01:28:25living a fulfilled life?
01:28:26Living s fulfilled life, I kind
of lovingly and fearlessly
01:28:33aligning with the mission, which
I run, I volunteer and I shine
01:28:36in this incarnation. So being
fully in alignment with the
01:28:40purpose for which I incarnated
and I said, Yes, send me your
01:28:44Now if you had a chance to go
back in time, and speak to
01:28:47Little Seán, what advice would
you give him?
01:28:50I would say to him that there
are going to be lots of
01:28:53disappointments and some
tragedies in your life. And
01:28:57you'll find out that there have
been the greatest blessings in
01:28:59our harvest.
01:29:03How do you define God or Source?
01:29:06Right! So I am a pantheist, in
the sense that pantheism is the
01:29:10belief that God is the sum total
of all that exists. I don't
01:29:13believe that's true, I believe
in pantheism, which says God is
01:29:16the sum total of all that exists
and a lot more besides. So it's
01:29:19like it configuring Shakespeare
with his collected works. So
01:29:24there's a lot more to this
exponents connected works. As a
01:29:27pantheism says, yeah, there's
this collective works. But
01:29:29that's not the totality of
Shakespeare, there's a lot more
01:29:32he was a father or he was a
brother, or he was a husband,
01:29:34you know, what a garden or
whatever else he was, besides,
01:29:37and so for me, it's more kind of
pantheistic. And so I came up
01:29:40with a phrase a few years ago
that when I say that, God is
01:29:43the, the meta Cosmic Womb, in
which embryonic Christ
01:29:49consciousness is marinated in
the amniotic fluid of pure love.
01:29:53Beautifully said sir, and then
what is love?
01:29:57Love for me is the is this
Source of All That Is, I talked
01:30:01about the five hours, there's
love, there's life. There's low
01:30:05goose, there's a light, there's
life. And there's laughter. So I
01:30:08think love is the origin of
light, and loggers. So, light is
01:30:13the all all matters lovely
frozen light. So love gives
01:30:18birth to light, which is not
her. And because it gives birth
01:30:22to logos, and logos is the
morphological agent that which
01:30:25gives shape to matter. So if you
think of a potter with a lump of
01:30:29clay, that clears from light,
there's light filled, and the
01:30:32Potter is the morphological
agent that creates a ball or a
01:30:35couple of that. So love creates
these twins, that dance with
01:30:39each other. And in this dance
between lights, you know, and
01:30:42loggers life emerges. And the
objective of life is to learn
01:30:46how to laugh, that literally is
to laugh at the illusion under
01:30:49which we live. And to wake up
and realize you know that this
01:30:52was an illusion, I bought into
it. And I now realize that there
01:30:56is only God, I'm playing a role
that God assigned to me.
01:30:59And what is the ultimate purpose
of life?
01:31:01The ultimate purpose of life,
then I would say, as I would
01:31:05say, is to set God free from our
projections. So God can set us
01:31:09free from our illusions.
01:31:11And where can people find out
more about you and the amazing
01:31:14work you're doing in the world?
01:31:15So my website is
spiritsinspacesuits.com. And so
01:31:20you can find any books I've
written or, you know, Sunday
01:31:23Mass, or how many is that I've
given about an hour? So they're
01:31:26all and spiritsinspacesuits.com.
Yeah.
01:31:29And do you have any parting
messages for the audience?
01:31:31Sure. I would say, listen to
this guy. Listen to Alex. You're
01:31:40an extraordinary. You're an
extraordinary conduit, Alex, for
01:31:44great ideas to be disseminated
to huge populations. You're a
01:31:48channel of love of light and of
logs as far as I'm concerned.
01:31:51And it's been a privilege to
have been able to spend some
01:31:54time with you. And I wish you
the best of luck in you're going
01:31:58to reach a much much bigger
audience because you have much
01:32:01bigger message than you realize
even yourself.
01:32:03My friend, thank you so much for
those kind words. And thank you
01:32:06for the amazing work you're
doing to awaken the planet. So I
01:32:10appreciate you my friend.
01:32:12Namaste.
01:32:15Thanks for watching. Click on
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