Ray Volpe Creation of Laserbeam, Career Struggles, Song Request, Being Bullied, Production Tip | #14
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💫 Short Summary
The video features a music producer discussing their journey in the industry, from rejection by labels to finding success independently. They emphasize the importance of perseverance, building a fan base, and adapting to the changing music landscape. The artist shares insights into their creative process, struggles with mental health, and the challenges of balancing work and anxiety. They also discuss the viral success of their song 'Laser Beam,' utilizing social media for promotion, and the significance of collaboration and authenticity in branding. Additionally, the video touches on sound design techniques, mastering preferences, and the artist's gratitude for fan support and success.
✨ Highlights
📊 Transcript
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The speaker's journey into music production and artistic expression.
05:00Influenced by Skrillex and other artists, he started making music at a young age.
Transitioned from creating Call of Duty montages to producing EDM music with FL Studio.
Despite debates on music production software, he preferred using Sony Vegas and Premiere for editing.
Emphasized the importance of believing in oneself and staying true to personal artistic expression.
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Journey in music production and lessons learned.
07:19Started in 2010 and transitioned to Ableton in 2011.
Released a bootleg of Thrift Shop in 2012, gaining popularity.
Signed an unfavorable deal for his first EP, learning the importance of independence in his career.
Emphasized challenges and misconceptions in the music industry, including the influence of labels and the need for branding.
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Journey to Success in Music Industry
16:33The speaker faced rejection from labels before achieving success in 2019 with Never Say Die and Disciple.
Emphasizes the importance of perseverance and independently building a strong fan base.
Discussion on the business side of music, including risks labels take in signing artists and financial considerations in releases.
Acknowledges the necessity of treating music as a business while recognizing the passion that drives artists to create.
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Importance of Building a Strong Library of Songs in the Music Industry.
22:45Emphasis on having a good plan and strategic release schedule to maintain momentum.
Discussion on the oversaturation of the industry and the significance of support from established DJs.
Highlighting the shift towards gaining exposure through live performances rather than traditional promotion methods.
Speaker's personal struggles with time management, anxiety, and ADHD are mentioned, reflecting on the complexities of managing a successful music label.
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Importance of social media in music promotion.
24:36Social media played a crucial role in the success of songs like the Taylor Swift remix and Rayy Laser Beam.
Artists should adapt to the changing landscape of social media.
Embracing authenticity online is encouraged to overcome the fear of appearing 'cringe'.
The strategic process behind the virality of a song is discussed, emphasizing belief in its success despite initial reactions.
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Viral success of the song 'Laser Beam' by Ray Volpi at Thunderdome.
31:38The song garnered a significant reaction from the crowd, leading to popularity in the EDM community.
Despite being unreleased and unsigned, the video of the song's performance went viral with millions of views.
The artist strategically shared the song with industry contacts and used social media to promote its upcoming release with Disciple Records.
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The success of the song 'Laser Beams' through viral TikTok videos and Fortnite exposure.
35:57Targeting high-production DJs like Excision as a strategic decision for the song's popularity.
Incorporating themes and concepts inspired by bands like Ice Nine Kills into the artist's music.
Setting a unique tone within the EDM genre by basing songs on horror movie inspirations.
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Journey in the music industry.
45:10Faced rejection from labels but continued to release music independently.
Struggled with branding and social media presence, acknowledging past mistakes.
Signed with a management company and started playing shows with dubstep artists.
Emphasized the significance of constant evolution and staying relevant for success.
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Overcoming challenges in the music industry with the help of new manager and agent, leading to career revitalization.
49:35New manager Pat and agent Peter played a crucial role in revitalizing the speaker's career by providing better support and opportunities.
Transitioning to a smaller, more focused team resulted in a more successful career trajectory for the speaker.
The speaker highlights the importance of being proactive and not solely relying on external factors for success in the music industry.
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Speaker's Struggles with Anxiety and Stress.
55:14The speaker talks about their anxiety, panic attacks, and stress caused by music creation and time management pressure.
Importance of Mental Health.
The speaker praises their manager for prioritizing mental health over career success.
Balancing Work and Anxiety.
Challenges in balancing work and anxiety, mentioning how success can be overwhelming.
Unique Work Routine.
The speaker discusses their unique work routine and lack of traditional job experience, focusing solely on music since 2010.
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Reflections on Personal Growth and Missed Opportunities.
01:00:11The speaker discusses struggling with responsibilities and deadlines due to a lack of structure in his life and regrets dropping out of high school.
He talks about his non-confrontational nature and tendency to please others.
Emphasizes the importance of building a team and allowing opportunities to come to you instead of actively seeking them out.
Reflects on the challenges of transitioning to adulthood and achieving financial independence.
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Challenges of transitioning from a low-mid tier artist to a high tier in the music industry.
01:06:21Importance of visual branding, teamwork, and the role of a 3D artist in projects.
Evolution of stage name 'Vitron' from a vocal tag to artist identity.
Emphasis on perseverance, collaboration, and strategic marketing for success in the music industry.
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Development of the Vitron brand.
01:14:53The brand was originally created by a friend and has evolved into a visual-heavy social media presence.
Emphasis on authenticity and personal connection in branding, leading to a loyal fan base.
Reflection on personal journey from being bullied in high school to achieving success.
Acknowledgment of both supportive fans and opportunistic individuals seeking collaboration.
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Creating double drops in DJ sets.
01:21:01Emphasis on complementary rhythms and syncopation in the process.
Combining songs like Death Pit to enhance live performance and excite the audience.
Increased pressure of producing music compared to performing live due to pre-planning visuals and time-coded moments.
Evolution of sets from simple song plays to incorporating doubles and edits for a more engaging experience.
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Discussion on the challenges of producing music, including imposter syndrome and fear of creating new tracks.
01:28:22The speaker shares personal struggles with self-doubt and the role of therapy in recognizing accomplishments.
Imposter syndrome's impact on creativity and productivity is explored, emphasizing the importance of self-affirmation and support.
The speaker admires a industry figure for their work ethic and ability to overcome similar challenges, highlighting the prevalence of imposter syndrome among creators.
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Overcoming Pressure and Fear in Music Creation
01:31:57The speaker emphasizes the challenges of creating music, including pressure and fear.
They share personal struggles and stress the importance of self-belief in the creative process.
Collaboration and bouncing ideas off others are highlighted as valuable tools for success.
The speaker mentions positive experiences working with well-known producers to enhance their music.
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Discussion on using stock Ableton plugins and unconventional production techniques.
01:37:00Emphasis on using reduce ambience and Ott in production process, along with mentioning Melodine and Autotune.
Favorite soft synths like Serum and VPS Avenger highlighted for creating unique sounds.
Use of Spire and Avenger for lush pads and pluck lead synths, as well as sampling flutes and vocals for distorted elements in music production.
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Innovative sound design approach emphasizing reusing existing sounds for efficiency and creativity.
01:45:56Importance of building a personal sound library and transforming sounds to create new ones.
Development of a signature sound and quick workflow through revamping old sounds and adding new elements.
Collaborators appreciate the innovative results and adaptability in the production process.
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The importance of a simple mastering process for producing loud, club-friendly tracks.
01:50:55Avoiding over-EQing and over-mixing to achieve a rougher, punchier sound in genres like dubstep.
Emphasis on the speaker's personal mastering chain including DC offset, OTT compression, EQ adjustments, and Ozone Imager.
Drawing inspiration from Skrillex's bright mixes and advocating for a balanced approach to mastering.
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Importance of achieving loudness without compromising quality in music production.
01:54:27Utilizes volume shaper for side chaining and prefers audio over MIDI for drums.
Favorite collaborations and hidden plugin gems like Auburn Sounds Inner pitch are discussed.
Emphasizes unique sound manipulation techniques for creating distinct tracks.
Highlights the value of setting tracks apart in the music industry.
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Overview of Ableton instrument rack library and sound modification.
02:00:14Importance of consistency in sound design and managing time between touring and running a Patreon.
Gratitude for feedback from producer community and emphasis on giving back.
Value of showcasing production process to help others learn and improve skills.
Aim to contribute positively to music production community and inspire creativity.
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Artist discusses the creative process and success of 'Song Request' on TikTok.
02:07:02The artist explains the inspiration behind the song and its unique response from fans, including being played by Steve Aoki.
Debuting the song at live shows led to overwhelming positive feedback from fans.
The artist expresses excitement over fans chanting the unreleased song and gratitude for the support and success of the track.
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Artist discusses gratitude for fans and making of his track on YouTube.
02:13:56Music saved the artist from bullying and has had a positive impact on his life.
The artist is grateful for the momentum and resurgence in his music career.
He appreciates listeners and the opportunities music has provided.
The interview ends with mutual appreciation and encouragement for viewers to subscribe and engage with content.
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00:12[Music]
00:26over what is up you guys welcome to
00:29another episode of the excellent show we
00:31are here with the one the only Raymond
00:35vulpe you see what they don't know is
00:38that in the contract here they said if
00:40they said my name wrong that I'm
00:41actually gifted $35,000 from excellent
00:44and they decided to say vulpe and they
00:46knew before this that it wasn't so
00:47they're kind you guys are kind of [Â __Â ]
00:49you guys are kind of [Â __Â ] now so I'm
00:51sorry I could take that invoice net 30
00:53net 30 yeah we're actually net 60 here
00:56dude net 60 heard about that net 365 dud
01:01365 so uh vul p is vul Tron is it really
01:07mhm that's my legal name yeah are you
01:09Italian yeah oh Italiano I knew it dude
01:12am people [Â __Â ] up my name too cuz my
01:14last name is pronounced for up your name
01:16everybody really it's not yeah it's
01:18Ferrari that's fire but my last name is
01:21spelled with an e instead of an i
01:24interesting I mean I feel like it's
01:25still I would get that yeah yeah people
01:27go Ferrar for rare Ferrari I've gotten
01:31vope you're adding extra letters that's
01:33insane I kind of like that first name n
01:36is it cool to like have an artist name
01:37that's your actual name I like it cuz it
01:40I didn't have to have a conversation
01:41about SEO or anything like I'm like I'm
01:44just good to go there but at the same
01:46time it makes the low points way harder
01:49because
01:50then like when my career was kind of not
01:53at the highest point a couple years ago
01:55it's like this hurts extra because it's
01:58not hurting artist name it's hurting me
02:00like that's me this so everything that
02:03happens I take it personal positive and
02:05negative so there's no there's no layers
02:07of onion right it's literally just you
02:10everything is just me cuz I feel
02:12like you know like like I feel like
02:14Dylan Francis is like a goofy guy but
02:16that's him you know what I mean uh
02:18Porter Robinson's uh very you know uh
02:22like combination of like anime
02:23inspiration and Japanese culture and all
02:25that stuff it's very him it's all like
02:26stuff that he loves um but that's him
02:28you know for me I'm everything that I
02:29represent is myself as well whereas you
02:31have like um you have death packed it's
02:33like you know whoever they are they
02:35that's a that's like a that's a brand
02:37you know like that's like a that's a
02:38look that's a style you know I'm sure
02:39that death Pack's at home eating some
02:41popcorn vibing you straight up on Earth
02:44yeah probably on Earth more than likely
02:47you know re doesn't have those goggles
02:48on all the time she sleeps with them on
02:51interesting I never thought about that
02:53so yeah it's yeah I never thought about
02:55it too what would you have like a
02:57Rebrand were you ever thinking about a
02:58Rebrand on on your low points I don't
03:00want to be on the negative kick no I I
03:02never thought about it but it was pushed
03:04upon meow and I I rejected that idea you
03:06f for it I did and uh it didn't work out
03:10with the people that pushed out of me
03:11but it worked out for me so there you go
03:13hell yeah dude that's awesome man you
03:15believed in yourself yes that's
03:17ultimately it yeah I did I believed in
03:18myself so I read online that you like
03:20started producing when you were super
03:21young you were like 12 years old I was
03:2312 I was seventh grade CRA oh my gosh
03:26how take us yeah how did that even
03:28happen I don't have a time machine with
03:30like I don't know what you would expect
03:32from me I um were you on like recess
03:35like making music and stuff like yeah I
03:37um so I was I had just moved to this
03:40neighborhood cuz I moved around a little
03:42bit in North Carolina when we moved
03:44there we were like in one house a year
03:45basically like my parents were just
03:46renting houses and then like it was like
03:48oh like this is too much we'll go here
03:51and so uh I moved to this new spot and I
03:54had a friend that lived across the
03:55street funny enough it was one of those
03:57communities where you know how some like
03:59have like houses that all are the same
04:02and then some are this one was like
04:04there's 35 40 different types of houses
04:06so it's more like looks nicer you know
04:08it's looks like there a Vibe you don't
04:10look like you're in Pleasantville and
04:12you're not in um Twilight Zone or
04:13something but my friend I became friends
04:15with had the same exact house us oh nice
04:18so it was very interesting when I would
04:19go over there and see the furniture all
04:21like different and I'm like this is my
04:22house but uh that would be so trippy if
04:24you were like drunk and partying you
04:26were probably younger but like yeah yeah
04:28I was they're called track they're
04:30called track houses I think oh really
04:32yeah I think that's what they're called
04:33yeah they're made similar but yeah that
04:35makes forgot you know about real estate
04:36yeah my mom was real that's that's
04:38pretty cool continue sorry no you're
04:39good so like you know we became friends
04:42and we're like we have the same
04:45houses like so I don't know how the
04:48conversation came up with him but I
04:50started making music because I I was
04:53because he I started making music kind
04:54of uh putting like making ideas like
04:56with him because I I was a video editor
04:59I used to make Call of Duty montages I
05:02would be making stuff in Sony Vegas and
05:04premere pro After Effects I was I did I
05:06had some stuff on there was like anyone
05:08that is in this like Community would
05:09remember Cod Hut which was like an OG
05:12Channel where it was like people would
05:14like up they would upload edits and like
05:15montages from people and I had one on
05:17there which was really cool it was like
05:18a big accomplishment but that's the
05:20stuff I would do and back then people
05:21were using skrillix dirty phonics the
05:24trickers and um uh also like metal core
05:27and stuff like they were using bands and
05:28so I found about EDM through that and I
05:31was like this is fire and I was like I'm
05:33going try making this so I started
05:34downloading Studio making it and I just
05:36showed my friend who lived across the
05:37street and he liked it so we started
05:39like messing around anfl together but
05:41him and I doing that only he was like
05:43this is cool whatever I'm going to go
05:44play the cross and then I was like wow
05:46I'm I'm G stick with this nice and was
05:49there like a lot of like Quality Music
05:51coming out of FL Studio back in the day
05:53from myself no no no definitely not I
05:57was in FL for a year and I really didn't
05:59like it hon UI is not for me like
06:01there's a bigw battle and War about it I
06:04really think it's ridiculous I think
06:06that they all do the same thing some
06:08have some exclusive plugins that you can
06:09basically almost make the same thing
06:11with elsewhere maybe not when we're
06:13talking like harmer and FL or like was
06:15it Mom the one that square for [Â __Â ] and
06:17reason like okay but then get reason
06:19rack and you could throw it in your car
06:21or
06:21whatever but uh it's all the same for
06:25the most part but just a UI and so for
06:26me I was editing videos and Sony Vegas
06:29and Premiere the Adobe suite
06:31specifically I feel like there's weird
06:32similarities from that to Ableton like
06:35there totally is before yeah 100 it made
06:38it very natural I was like oh I know my
06:39way around here so it made it very easy
06:41to get into making music inside of
06:43Ableton nice um and then I think some
06:46quality stuff started coming out maybe a
06:47couple years into it I think it probably
06:49took me like three years to get
06:50something quality interesting that's so
06:52awesome was it was it like cuz I'm
06:54trying to think back so was this like
06:562012 I like right when the the the
06:58bubble was was the the r when I started
07:01putting when I yeah so I started making
07:03music in 2010 I started right before
07:06yeah I started making like when my name
07:08is Skrillex came out that was the [Â __Â ]
07:09that was in these Cod edits I see and
07:11scary monsters so I so I was like oh I
07:14want to do this so I started making
07:15music then but yeah I started making
07:17music I guess as Ray vulpi and stuff in
07:192012 and that's when I put out like this
07:21bootleg of Thrift Shop by mmore um and
07:25dude it got a million views on YouTube
07:27no way air I think it's airwave dubstep
07:29TV or something like that they they they
07:31uploaded it and it shot and it went
07:33crazy and I was like everyone in my high
07:35school was like Thrift Shop the ones
07:39that weren't bullying me and then the
07:40ones that were were like thrift shop and
07:42I'm like guys please but um yeah that
07:46that was like the first like real dip
07:47but like 2012 was like the first kind of
07:49jump for me for sure awesome so was that
07:52something that was like super
07:53inspirational to you that where you were
07:54like music can be a thing like after
07:58that edit that you the the boot leg Yeah
08:00like would did that show you like
08:02success and like oh I this is a real
08:04thing yeah I would say so definitely cuz
08:06I think by that point I had a lot of
08:09friends like in group Chats on like uh
08:11Skype and Facebook groups and stuff um
08:14where we would all kind of talk and hang
08:15out and there were a couple of people
08:18that were doing kind of cool stuff
08:20especially around that 2012 2013 mark
08:22because and like one of the Facebook
08:24groups that we were in like barely alive
08:25was in there they were just starting to
08:27pop off they had cuz they had they had
08:30like a quick jump off period they had
08:32some of their first releases on a old
08:33label called uh dirty duck audio which
08:36end up the creater that created uh
08:38create music group so like you see that
08:40jump there yeah Alex but uh so barely
08:44live was uh you know doing stuff on
08:47there I ended up releasing on there in
08:482013 so like seeing like people I looked
08:49up to very very much at the beginning um
08:53I was like oh like this is cool I want
08:54to like really dive into this and that
08:56when that Thrift Shop stuff happened I
08:57was like oh man maybe I can make this
08:58happen and
09:00uh it kind of took like just like it was
09:02it was definitely that motivator for me
09:04I think yeah yeah I remember hearing
09:06your your releases back then and I was
09:08like dude this is sick that's crazy
09:10actually you you've been in the game for
09:11a minute bro we got mad respect for you
09:14for absolutely we know how how long
09:16you've you've you've grinded for it's
09:18been a very long time yeah dude so um I
09:21would love to hear about kind of that
09:24beginning chapter to where you said like
09:27it might not work out like the
09:36it's just it's not right off the bat
09:39it's not and sometimes it's not even
09:40when it looks like it is yeah you know
09:42CU that's the other part of this thing
09:43too is there's so many smoking mirrors
09:45there's so many politics there's so many
09:46things that go into this type of stuff
09:48it's not always sunshine and rainbows
09:50and lasers you know lasers like I see
09:53like I see so many like crazy concepts
09:55of things that people think that they
09:57like how this stuff works but for me
09:59kind of taking you through like just
10:01like a quick summarized version I guess
10:03is that so yeah I started making music
10:04in 2010 uh by 2011 I moved to Ableton
10:08and I like that way better I started
10:09making some cool bootlegs I tried making
10:11some Originals um and I was under a
10:15different name at that point I don't
10:16even remember at this point and I in
10:182012 I wanted to start making music as
10:19Ray vulpi I was like oh just might as
10:21well change it I don't even know I don't
10:22remember why I was like let me just go
10:24to my my real name uh I'm glad that I
10:26did ultimately um cuz now it's just it's
10:28easier in all regards I don't have to
10:30sure you know it's it's actually it's
10:32also harder though too that's the other
10:34thing cuz if you don't if you're not
10:35under your real name if I go by
10:38Hamster I can have a that's my brand I
10:41can have everything hamster logo
10:44whatever you know but Ray vulpi it's
10:46like okay well what is that is it just
10:48my personality that's not enough you
10:50know there needs to be stuff so now we
10:51have like vulp Tron and stuff like that
10:52which is really good but uh the vron
10:54wasn't a thing back in 2010 so or in
10:562012 when I started um as r so we put
11:00out some I put out some music I put out
11:02an original EP I signed a the worst idea
11:06of my life I signed a deal no money
11:08obviously this was a a label that wanted
11:11to sign me for two years I think it was
11:14and I did an EP with them it was my very
11:16first EP and it was like mainly glitch
11:19hop and dubstep that's what it was I was
11:20doing glitch hop the mmore thrift shop
11:22remix that popped me off was a glitch
11:24hop midtempo we type thing um shout out
11:28glitch hop
11:30remember glitch hop y oh yeah yeah like
11:32they
11:33don't they don't remember for that yeah
11:36but um that that was like that was like
11:39basically all the stuff I made and I I
11:41couldn't do anything else for like two
11:42years and I was like oh I feel stuck so
11:45uh I made a side project called overplay
11:49which is Ray vulpi as an anagram and I
11:51just started putting [Â __Â ] out on there
11:53dude and that was kind of the thing I
11:55was doing for a little bit creative for
11:57like a year I did that I L just did that
11:58for
11:59and then I came back as Ray Wy basically
12:02and uh didn't do that ever again that
12:04like scared me was it a 360 deal or what
12:07I don't remember at this point I was
12:08also like definitely looking back it was
12:10probably not even really a signed
12:12contract I was like
12:1415 like there's no way that this was
12:17real you know like my parents didn't
12:18sign it so talk about smoking mirrors
12:21man that's crazy yeah so like looking
12:22back I probably could have just done Ray
12:23wuli huh like legally that was voided I
12:27think you have to have an adult yeah um
12:31so from there I think that turned me off
12:33from the idea of labels for a long time
12:34I don't feel that way anymore but uh I
12:36did for a while and that's why the
12:38majority of my career was all
12:40independent so like
12:422013 onward there was maybe like a like
12:45very small handful of label releases and
12:47they were mainly like remixes or a
12:48one-off single I never worked with
12:49labels otherwise I did like one thing on
12:51play me I did one thing on chyos audio
12:54like I didn't do anything else it was
12:56all independent it all just tune Corp at
12:57that point cuz before that there was no
12:58District kid and anything else it was
13:00all like CD Baby dish and to cor that's
13:02really all it was you had to be big
13:03enough to get on like a wall or
13:05something like that even like I don't
13:06think stem was around cre about one RPM
13:09wasn't around all these other people
13:10weren't around and um or at least to
13:13like to mainstream public but um so in
13:162013 like a year after that Thrift Shop
13:18remix I uh I entered a contest uh for
13:21disciple and it was uh the barely alive
13:24Welcome to the Real World featuring
13:25diamond eyes and I was friends with
13:26diamond eyes I had barely Al and I we
13:28were
13:29we wouldn't say friends at that point it
13:31was like we were acquaintances we were
13:32in a Facebook group together we knew
13:33each other but like that was about it
13:35and I remember the remix getting the
13:39most plays out of every single remix
13:42that was entered and then I didn't place
13:45and I was so confused I didn't get an
13:46honorable mention in or place or
13:48anything so I was like butt hurt cuz I
13:50was like wait what like what's going on
13:52so I it was like fixed or something I
13:54know I felt very I felt offended I was
13:56like wait what like this is the mo like
13:58I thought it had a good remix the
14:00remixes that W they were great you know
14:01but I was just confused that I wasn't at
14:03all involved in that and I remember it
14:06confused me more because then disciple
14:07reached out to me after being like hey
14:09we want to actually sign this cuz
14:10excision is playing it out oh man yeah
14:14so we he wants to put on his compilation
14:16so I actually end up having it released
14:18through excision on the Shambala
14:20compilations anyway which was a cool win
14:22at the end of it which was a m that was
14:24amazing 2013 I have uh excision playing
14:26my stuff or 2014 I think by that point
14:28but like they couldn't have you win the
14:30contest and get signed play both I
14:33remember I found this out years later
14:36cuz I I swore they hated me so I found
14:39tell at the moment I asked why I was
14:41like why the [Â __Â ] didn't this happen and
14:42they were like oh it's because we felt
14:43like that would be wrong cuz we're like
14:45friends like you guys saw me as a friend
14:47back then cuz I didn't know they looked
14:48at me as friends back then so I was like
14:50no cuz I understand that I'm not about
14:52like that I don't I I try to be very
14:54fair about those things myself and like
14:57um so when I found it out I was like I
15:00didn't know you guys saw me as a friend
15:01like that cool guys and that's funny cuz
15:04back then disciple was turning my [Â __Â ]
15:05down it's funny cuz I ended up working
15:06with them for like a year or so so cool
15:09you did like a production tutorial too
15:10right breakdown yeah um back then it was
15:13it's such it's such an interesting thing
15:15like people this is actually some I
15:16guess some things for people like back
15:17then when I like in 2013 2014 when that
15:20happened and stuff like I was sending
15:22out my music to like Never say die and
15:23disciple and they were rejecting me like
15:25crazy I ended up only getting releases
15:27with those labels 2019 onward uh was
15:292019 was uh Never Say Die 2020 I did uh
15:33disciple 2021 I worked with them for
15:34like a year and a half but uh like so
15:36for anyone out there that's like I send
15:37myself to labels and get rejected I got
15:39rejected for Years 2013 2014 onwards so
15:43in like you know even monster cat I used
15:45to send my stuff to all the time back in
15:46the day I think it took me I probably
15:48sent my music to monster cat since 2013
15:50it took me 10 years to get on Monster
15:53cat let me tell you so what what like
15:54changed in your mind like did it did it
15:57make you even more hungry so get a
15:59placement with them or like I I think at
16:01first it did turn me off cuz that's when
16:02I went independent right I was like I'm
16:04just going to like do my stuff
16:05independently and I think that I think
16:07it helped me back then I don't think I
16:09would give that advice to anyone now
16:10because I think that things are
16:11different now and back then I think it
16:14helped me grow a really solid fan base
16:16because I noticed that on Spotify I
16:19already had a lot of followers compared
16:20to other people that were bigger than me
16:22or a little bit bigger than me because I
16:24was doing these free download Gates and
16:25following on Spotify and stuff so I had
16:27like this strong community that I had
16:29built myself which was really but the is
16:31that the scen changed so much now it's
16:33near impossible to get recognized on
16:35your own um and there social social
16:37media is the main thing right but even
16:39then like I do think that there's I
16:42think that there's a I think people like
16:43hate on labels way too much I think
16:44there's a lot of benefits to them I
16:46think a lot of people think that every
16:47label is like predatory but I think that
16:49like like this is not a VH1 special like
16:52right like you know's let's chillax a
16:55little bit I think it's just like um
16:58it's it's a business you know what I
16:59mean like they're they're looking at you
17:02or or or you at home as somebody that's
17:04going to be able to offer something for
17:06them to be able to make money and if you
17:08have nothing else going on besides just
17:10a really good song why should they take
17:12it yeah that's a huge risk and for
17:13somebody like you I'm sorry who no
17:15you're totally right it's just the truth
17:17and a lot of people don't want to look
17:18at it that way this is this is where we
17:20get into like the people will disagree
17:21with this or they think it's not fair
17:23day yeah it's not fair but music is a
17:26business we do this because we love it
17:29but you're also you're working you know
17:31I mean we were talking off camera about
17:33how often you guys are here at this
17:34studio 5 days a week they do they know
17:36that probably not you guys are here
17:37[Â __Â ] all the time working it's it's a
17:39full-time situation you know um and yeah
17:43like uh if you're some people get really
17:47upset they're like they didn't take my
17:49song but it's really good I'm like yeah
17:51the song could be great but if it's your
17:54only song that you have you have nothing
17:56to you w't have a a catalog ready to go
17:58to follow up with it and or you have no
18:01Val like like strong brand um you know
18:05they're they're putting money into the
18:06release regardless if they have a like a
18:08real budget or not if you take out a
18:10budget entirely from a release there's
18:12still money getting put into it for the
18:13artwork because every time they pay an
18:15artwork maybe it's 250 bucks if your
18:17song goes on Spotify and then they get
18:19like 2,000 streams they're not going to
18:21make that money back so it's like
18:22there's there's there's that I keep in
18:24the mic but there's a it is a business
18:26at the end of the day they need to make
18:27stuff back and that's why you see labels
18:29have those uh imprints for like maybe
18:31smaller names to jump on and it's like
18:32maybe stricter on The Branding of that
18:35and they don't let you make your art and
18:36all that stuff but it's like hey this is
18:38your opportunity to kind of jump in then
18:39kind of climb that Rank and stuff like
18:40that I think a lot of people are against
18:42those things but I think that um while
18:45there not everything is fair it's just
18:47you have to you have to work your way up
18:49you know would you say that like
18:50building your own personal library of
18:52songs while you're building your career
18:55is the most helpful would you say yeah I
18:57think building a big Library and having
19:00I think building a big library of songs
19:01and having everything like I think just
19:03having a good plan ahead of you is
19:04really important because for me uh so we
19:08we could jump ahead in time right like
19:09to like we'll jump ahead and we can go
19:11back but like for like laser beam I had
19:14at that
19:16point the I had a Sullivan G collab and
19:19a marshmallow collab they were already
19:20in the works so to have those come out
19:22after is massive right they're
19:25follow-ups they're massive great
19:27follow-ups to have for such a big song
19:31If I Had No Music sitting there all that
19:34momentum is just gonna die yeah because
19:36you you have to follow it up whether
19:37it's a followup that's worthy it doesn't
19:39matter you have to follow it up you just
19:40have to release something come back with
19:42something hopefully that that's
19:44something to grasp for anybody that will
19:46they'll enjoy and if you don't have like
19:48a catalog of stuff you know that's why
19:50I'm like yo I I have like a some people
19:53ask like like what do I do I want to
19:55start releasing music now I'm like well
19:56how many songs do you have done they're
19:57like five I'm like no get like 30 yeah
20:00get a bunch of really good songs start
20:02rolling them out plan it out you know
20:04and then like make a plan that's thing
20:06and and also if you can't get on like I
20:09was talking about how I'm like guess
20:10like for like you know working with
20:11labels and stuff but like uh yeah you're
20:14going you might have to self-release in
20:15the beginning but like work your way
20:17have some that you want to release
20:18yourself and then if you can get on a
20:19small SoundCloud Collective something
20:21like that have that in June have a
20:23self-release that you put out yourself
20:25at the end of July and then maybe you
20:27can get something slated in with an
20:28print somewhere in uh at the end of
20:30August or in September and then just
20:31like work around it you know yeah dude I
20:33feel like you would be sick at having
20:35your own label like yeah don't put that
20:37on me don't put that on me cuz you know
20:39what I would have a mental
20:41breakdown I I'm like I'm saying the
20:45right things I don't practice any of the
20:46[Â __Â ] that I
20:48preach my team is laughing in the
20:50background because it's true I have a
20:52panic attack yeah I freak out I shut
20:55down that's the honest truth nice so if
20:58you feel that way it doesn't get better
21:01no it it gets better but like you it's
21:05it's like it's it's hard you know so
21:06like it's I think is I'm very uh
21:09notorious in my camp but I'm just bad
21:12with time management and I'm also have a
21:13lot of anxiety and I have really bad
21:15ADHD that I tried to treat for a little
21:17bit but it made my anxiety worse so I
21:20stopped treating the ADHD now I'm like
21:22because now I'm like oh the ADHD is a
21:24superpower I should turn that down yeah
21:26but uh it's the anxiety still sucks and
21:30it gets to me so like one little thing
21:33I'm like overwhelmed so if I started a
21:35label it would be the end of me I'm also
21:37picky as [Â __Â ] I'm so picky so like
21:41that's problem this the problem you know
21:43some people are like man like I want to
21:45get this sick artwork for my label it's
21:47like $1,000 it's so much money and it's
21:49like they can only afford you know $250
21:52it's like yeah because if you're putting
21:54out if you're putting out one even just
21:56one release every month you're not going
21:57to be spending that money on artwork
21:59every month that's why you see these
22:01budgets are like so low for these things
22:03sometimes because like if I have a label
22:05I'm going to be way picky I'm not going
22:07to want it to be $250 of art I'm going
22:09to want it to be the th000 artart so
22:10then I'm going to have one release a
22:11year and it might be a slapper of a
22:13release from whatever artist but yeah
22:15you know then you lose the consistency
22:17and then it's not a real business and
22:18then I'm just like putting money into
22:20something that's going to fail but that
22:21makes sense so I'm very picky and I have
22:23like super high standards about stuff it
22:25so I could never be successful about
22:27that that being said in three years
22:29there's someone's going to clip
22:30this have a label it's happen uh Parker
22:33and I were talking about this before uh
22:35we were talking about this at EDC so you
22:37had mentioned that how things have
22:38changed in the industry as far as like
22:40getting noticed or trying to get your
22:42music out there right um I kind of think
22:45and also mentioning uh laser beams um we
22:49were kind of having this discussion at
22:50EDC about how I kind of am under the
22:53impression that having a a song being
22:56played out by a DJ is not an enough
22:59nowadays unless it's a song as big as
23:02laser beams or a song as big as what was
23:05the other one that we mentioned uh
23:07country Rhythm country Rhythm right or
23:09crank that right like crank D's uh the
23:11Taylor sh the [Â __Â ] up yeah so like and
23:14and and what it seems like is happening
23:17and I think you're the perfect person to
23:18talk to about this is that CU back in
23:20the day when in 2014 2015 it was like
23:24the focus was all right we need to get
23:26on Dancing astronaut we need we need to
23:28get on all the big blogs right and then
23:31we got to get if if one DJ just plays
23:33our song yeah at at a big Festival
23:36that's lives will change and I kind of
23:38am under the impression that because the
23:40industry is so oversaturated unless a
23:43bunch of DJs are playing your song it's
23:46most likely not going to happen so I'm
23:48curious your thought I agree it's it's
23:50like you have to have that bigger like
23:52list kind of there it needs to be
23:54instead of supported by Skrillex it
23:56needs to be supported by Skrillex
23:58exision alenium Steve aoke the needs to
24:00jump up like that
24:02because yeah it's very oversaturated
24:05right now and but at the same time
24:07people are going to more shows than ever
24:08so if they just go to like excision they
24:10only hear that there but if they hear it
24:12at all these other concerts and they're
24:14like oh what is this you know which I
24:16think like with laser beam something
24:17that was to my benefit was it such a
24:18remixable song that like someone might
24:21have heard it like once at a DubStep
24:23show and be like okay fine but then they
24:24go to Chris Lake and they're like why
24:26the [Â __Â ] am I hearing a tech house remix
24:27of this right now like what is this song
24:29and why did Chris Lake remix it they're
24:31like okay this is rayy laser beam like
24:32that's cool like so it's I think that
24:36yeah it's not enough to just have the
24:37one play out anymore um I I think it's I
24:41think social media plays a massive part
24:43in what's going to help a song take off
24:44I think that the crank that uh Taylor
24:46Swift remix was like a massive good
24:48example of that because that song was
24:50just massive on socials you know it was
24:53huge it was even for dubstep Yeah went
24:55massively massively viral and um
24:58I it's a perfect example on the social
25:00media front um and then like laser beam
25:03is a great example on the live play out
25:04front and I think that like I try to
25:06find a balance between both you know
25:08that's kind of that's kind of what I
25:09like to do is try to I think
25:12that yeah it's it's it's it's yeah it's
25:15like it's not you're right it's not
25:16enough to just have that it's constantly
25:18changing it used to be yeah you hit up
25:19blogs right and then like you would
25:21email them and now like even before then
25:23it was probably like sending [Â __Â ]
25:24physical CDs or whatever to like labels
25:27and stuff and now
25:28it's like you just post your [Â __Â ] on Tik
25:30Tock or reals and do it and hope that it
25:33can get some traction but the thing is
25:34at the same time a lot of people like I
25:36can go on for days about this a lot of
25:37people a lot of people are antisocial
25:39media a lot of people are against it
25:41they are like I'm not doing this I
25:43shouldn't have to do this and guess what
25:46you it is what it is absolutely [Â __Â ]
25:49is it's the reality it's sink or swim
25:51it's adapt or die and people don't want
25:53to accept that and like I feel like some
25:55people that watch that know who I am
25:56personality wise like why is he like
25:58aggressive right now I gu cuz I I'm not
26:00you've been in the game for a long time
26:02you are the perfect person to talk to
26:03about this like at the end of the day
26:05like it just it I I hate seeing people
26:08complain about it so much because it is
26:11just the fact of the the matter is that
26:13we live in a world where social media is
26:15just prominent it's not going to go away
26:17right even if if Tik Tok does get banned
26:19which I don't think it's going to I do
26:21think they'll they'll figure something
26:22out within that year that they have to
26:24sell or whatever something's going to
26:25happen if that does if that happens
26:26another app is going to pop up Vine died
26:29Tik Tok happen you know what I mean also
26:31reals will replace it for a period of
26:33time and become the number one at that
26:34point you know like it's just it is what
26:36it is so but people are against it I've
26:39seen managers speak out against it and
26:40I'm like that's nuts man don't you want
26:43to succeed for your clients but like my
26:46Palm's
26:48got said don't go social media I think
26:51it's I think it's more just like people
26:52get too focused on like oh I have to do
26:55what you know this person is doing or
26:57that person is doing the reality is is
26:59like you just need to do whatever it is
27:02that represents who you are do anything
27:03yeah like do yeah it doesn't have to be
27:05funny content it doesn't have to be you
27:07know people think they have to dance in
27:09in front of Ableton they don't they
27:11don't have to do that yeah you don't
27:12needing guns Spectrum spers yeah they
27:15think they need that you don't have to
27:17you could there's so many other things
27:18you could do but I think part of it is
27:20that uh people I think people are scared
27:23of looking cringe in any form I think
27:25that at the end of the day we're jumping
27:26around dancing on stage a lot of people
27:28like to act hard especially and I'm like
27:31you're all including me we're all
27:33[Â __Â ] nerds at computers let's chillax
27:37on the hard levels we are in Ableton and
27:40then we go on stage and do this okay
27:42it's cringe so like we have to lower the
27:45threshold a little bit I think and be
27:46like willing to be even slightly cringe
27:49and even then slightly cringe it might
27:50not even be cringe it's your own
27:51personal insecurity you don't have to
27:53dance in front of the camera there's
27:54other things you could do I think a lot
27:54of people are just lazy don't want to
27:55think of new ideas there's also like a a
27:57gate way of cringe that you have to get
28:00over yourself where it really isn't
28:02cringe you think it's cringe and then
28:05you find your family online or something
28:07you find your fan base you know but
28:09there's also something about like I know
28:11for us like our big thing was we would
28:13dance in front of the camera super CR
28:14but to us it was it was embracing the
28:16cringe as like this is funny like look
28:18how cring you're having fun just music
28:22like laughing at ourselves like watching
28:24the video dude I can't believe you did
28:26that right there like it's like it's it
28:28it's not it's not that deep yeah and
28:30there's people that'll genuinely like
28:32seeing your reactions there's some
28:33people that are going to watch it maybe
28:34because they think that it's cringe and
28:35there's people that are just going to
28:36hate it yeah and if they don't like it
28:38then this wasn't this isn't the content
28:39that was for them I think you know like
28:41I don't think I've I mean for my I've
28:43never done the dancing in front of the
28:44thing but and that's fine you don't I
28:45don't have to right like you guys have
28:47so many types of different you know
28:48Avenues of content that you guys are
28:50able to distribute right you know a lot
28:52of people just don't want to and then
28:54they they get upset but that's the end
28:56of the day social media is like the main
28:57gateway for getting a track to be
28:59successful it's that and then getting a
29:00long list of playouts is helpful
29:02sometimes that thing is that that's out
29:04of your hands both are out of your hands
29:05you know I yeah how did that happen with
29:08laser beams like is that what you were
29:09going to ask I'm sorry that's exactly
29:11what I was going to say like how did
29:12that take us through that whole process
29:13overnight thing or like what was the
29:16process the virality of it was overnight
29:17okay but uh the process was a little bit
29:20it was a little strategic for sure I
29:22made that song in November 2021 okay
29:25started playing it out immediately
29:26second track of my set m M none of y'all
29:29gave a [Â __Â ] no one cared dud no one
29:32cared no people liked it it got really
29:34good reaction at shows it got like a
29:36like that oh you know for the crowd
29:38which is great but um it wasn't I was
29:41expecting it to be a big Ray vulpi song
29:43not a big EDM song you know what I mean
29:46not so you believed in it you believed
29:47it like this is a banger I was like this
29:48is a banger this is going to be a
29:50successful song inside of the ray vulpi
29:52fan base bubble you know like I have a
29:55song called uh elastic VIP it's popular
29:57Within my fan base the average dubstep
29:59person does not know who this this song
30:01it's just a popular Ray vulpi song
30:02that's it got it um I expected that
30:05and
30:07at so I had emailed excision because at
30:10this point we were we were we weren't as
30:12close as we are now and now we're like
30:13more friendly back then I just had his
30:14email so I would just be like I sent him
30:16a song he would respond like this is
30:17sick he always respond I'm like thanks
30:18man so I sent him laser beam I was like
30:20hey man I sent him on New Year's Day or
30:22some [Â __Â ] I was like hey man sick song
30:24here for you it's called laser beam it's
30:27probably good if you for your lasers and
30:28your production and your sets that's
30:29what I said he didn't reply and I was
30:31like what the hell man why did you reply
30:34I thought he hated it cuz he always
30:35replies so I was like oh man I took that
30:37personally and then at Thunderdome a
30:39month later I had played and I had seen
30:41so many I at this point I've seen so
30:43many excision sets it's like maybe four
30:45minutes into the set it's been a long
30:46day I'd played earlier in the night so
30:48I'm like oh let's head out we're out in
30:49front of house we're about to leave like
30:51all right we all a good bit let's go
30:52ahead
30:53home and we're about to leave and just
30:55here bring out the lasers I was like oh
30:58he's going to play it and there were no
31:00lasers at that point in the set so
31:01everyone had their phones out cuz you
31:02could hear very clearly what he what the
31:04vocal says um so we took out our phone
31:07we filmed it and then uh the next day I
31:10actually this is crazy cuz I I had to
31:12post something I had to hard native wall
31:14post something on Instagram um for like
31:16a promoter and so I posted that flyer
31:19and I did what I had to do and then uh
31:21Jess over here off screen shout out Jess
31:23shout out Jess she's my girlfriend also
31:25has been working on the team for years
31:26uh she's worked in marketing since 2016
31:28in the industry um and she was like you
31:31should post that video because the
31:33reaction at the the reaction at
31:34Thunderdome when he played it was like
31:36electric it was surreal the crowd was so
31:38loud roaring when the lasers came out
31:40when the song played it was such a
31:41special reaction the video was crazy and
31:44she's like post it to reals like right
31:45now and I was like I just posted like
31:47three hours ago come on like you're the
31:48marketing person what do you mean like
31:50what are you saying here and she's like
31:52no just just post it and so we posted it
31:55with my second wall post of the day
31:57which is like don't you don't do that
31:59you know I mean like you absolutely are
32:00not posting a second post all posts are
32:02very very yeah that's you know so we
32:05posted I think I did like me like hey
32:08Jeff I think the song would work in your
32:09sets with lasers and then it's like
32:11excision and then it's just the video
32:12nice and it went viral viral in EDM
32:15terms you know what I mean like it had
32:16like it did well it did really really
32:18well and it went crazy people ate it up
32:21and at that point I hadn't sent the song
32:23to anybody and so Jess is like don't
32:26she's like just don't send it to anybody
32:28just like keep it locked we sent it to
32:29lennium that was it m it was just
32:31lennium excision playing it out rinsing
32:34it at every festival at every show and
32:36those videos because they have
32:37production super high production at
32:39their shows every video that get posted
32:40we get thousands sometimes hundreds of
32:42thousands some of them millions of views
32:44and they had lasers in all the videos
32:45lasers in all the videos so people were
32:46going crazy about this and yeah it's
32:48partly obviously because there's these
32:50lasers here and then but half of the
32:52comments are always like what [Â __Â ]
32:54song is this so and it's like oh it's
32:56that Ray vuli song it's I think it's an
32:58excision song no it's a rayy song laser
32:59beam you know that's so is that rayy
33:02lasers like what is this and then it was
33:04still an ID at this point not released
33:06it yeah not released it not signed not
33:08yeah it wasn't even signed at that point
33:09but at that point I was exclusive with
33:11the disciple so I knew it was going to
33:13come out with them so I worked with
33:14Disciple exclusively from August 2021
33:17until January
33:192023 I don't know I looked at her for
33:21confirmation uh we'll go with it yeah
33:24we'll yeah yeah cuz laser be came out in
33:25June 2022 and then the came out in
33:28January the following year so January
33:302023 that was the was with them so in
33:32February it starts going viral I already
33:34knew it was going to come out with them
33:34and stuff but I just didn't know when
33:36like we we had talked about it or
33:37anything um and so my team were just
33:41like okay well we should start sending
33:42this out and she thought that I should
33:44send it out I think it was a EDC EDC
33:47week I sent it out to she's like I think
33:49you it was like the Thursday of EDC
33:51she's like send it to everybody send it
33:52to everybody that you know that's
33:53playing the lineup I'm like it's
33:55Thursday of EDC everyone sets are planed
33:58already done they're done not planned as
33:59a pre-recorded by the way just planned
34:01there's time coded visuals like this
34:02people people like just plan out the
34:04sets they know what they're going to
34:05play so I don't want anyone be like what
34:07do you mean they plan their set like I
34:09love how you clarify that dude but um
34:12they know they know that they're their
34:14their playlist is most likely curated
34:17they have it and some people have
34:18time-coded things they have like their
34:19intros and like multiple moments in the
34:21set that or visuals already but uh so I
34:24we I sent it to everyone I know I sent
34:26it to like everyone I could play it out
34:28too my manager started sending it out to
34:29Seven Lions and others as well that I
34:31didn't have contacts with so like Jess
34:34and uh my manager Pat were like send it
34:36out to everybody you know was this super
34:38thread because you remember that super
34:39thread email back in the day that was
34:41like
34:42everybody you send it that or did you
34:44send direct email just directly I was
34:46dming my friends and and texting my
34:47friends okay same idea though basically
34:49yeah we just like super threat of that I
34:51do remember that it was like a
34:52spreadsheet or something that was
34:53another thing if you could get on the
34:55super thread you might have a chance at
34:57getting that's like 2015 or some [Â __Â ] I
34:59remember that I remember getting sent
35:00that one day I was like no way I never
35:02emailed anybody on that list and if you
35:04did and nobody knew who you were you
35:05would get kicked off yeah like it was a
35:07big deal sorry so no you're fine I
35:08forgot about that so you're texting so
35:10you're texting all your all your
35:11everybody that you've met in the
35:12industry hey here's here's and did they
35:15already know what it was at that point
35:17yeah they did so were people did they
35:18not know it was you though they I think
35:20I think at this point they did because I
35:21was posting videos every time like so if
35:24alenium played it out I posted it like
35:25at Ultra I posted it and that video
35:26would go viral too and what was
35:28happening at your shows at that time
35:30like when you played it slow like the
35:32reactions got bigger and bigger and then
35:34slowly I you start to hear and I didn't
35:36realize it until I think after the song
35:38came out you start hearing when it's
35:40like laser you start hearing people go
35:42laser laser it started getting louder
35:44and I was like oh I didn't realize they
35:45were doing that and that was really cool
35:47so I was just getting really excited at
35:48this point um dude before the song came
35:50out fortnite hit us up they were like yo
35:52epic was like can we put this in the
35:53game when it comes out so that's how you
35:55knew it was like this is a big deal
35:57Giant cuz it's not even the song's not
35:58out so um yeah we uh we sent to everyone
36:03and literally everyone played it not a
36:04single person I sent it to did not play
36:06it yep that's incredible we went to EDC
36:09that that year we that was our first EDC
36:11ever went to we got to to to play uh
36:14like an art cart and walking around uh
36:17I'm not trying to bring it up about us
36:18but just no that's it that's yeah we
36:20we're walking around and all we would
36:22hear is laser beams we're like this is
36:24the we're like this is the number one
36:26song played at EDC hands down and then
36:28of course it came out it it was it was
36:31it blew my blew my mind it blew my mind
36:33I was so I had texted her actually and a
36:37in a another viral Tik Tok that helped
36:39push this even further is there's a
36:42conversation on text that me saying I
36:43don't think anyone's gonna play it and
36:45she posted that Tik Tok and that got
36:47like a that got so many views like it's
36:49like it's like my like it's like my
36:51boyfriend about his song play play at
36:53ADC and it's literally screenshots of my
36:54text and then it's a list of every DJ
36:56that played it at EDC ins it was crazy
36:59you know like her brain on this like is
37:01what did this it was a huge driving
37:03force like her marketing brain and then
37:05my manager Pat's like strategic brain
37:07just coming together on something really
37:09cool that um you know I would this would
37:12not have happened without them it's
37:13crazy and uh yeah we put we put out the
37:16song in June and that's amazing you know
37:19it's interesting because I feel like it
37:21just feels very similar right now with
37:23with the song request song feels very
37:25[Â __Â ] similar nice yeah I was going to
37:27bring up like I feel like you are so
37:30creative in your writing and there's not
37:33really like a lot of bass DJs that have
37:37like a concept behind their song you
37:40know what I'm saying and I feel like you
37:42do that on purpose you do it
37:44strategically and like I just want to
37:46know what's going on in your brain like
37:48when you're writing this cuz like that I
37:50I I thought it was out but it was like
37:52the
37:53B that song was like sick and it popped
37:56off on on Tik Tok I saw it I was like
37:58dude he's doing it again like he's so
38:02creative with Concepts that are like for
38:04pop music yes it's like pop writers
38:07there's a formula and they get creative
38:09within the formula and you're doing that
38:12like in Bass music it's another level of
38:14thought I'm so glad that you mentioned
38:15that I mentioned pop music CU I like to
38:17like I like to say that I'm pop dubstep
38:19commercial dubstep cuz like and I as I
38:21saw someone that actually I tweeted
38:22about the fact I'm like I say I would
38:23say I'm commercial dubstep and someone
38:25that doesn't like my music responded
38:26very nicely we like M like I don't like
38:28your music but I like respect so much
38:29that you're that that's how you're like
38:31saying it I was like all right well
38:33thank you it's not a disrespectful thing
38:35all I was like that's kind of was like
38:37kind weird back I'll take it I'll take
38:39it cuz it is my vibe you know but um
38:42yeah I like to say I'm like I'm very I'm
38:43commercial dubstep I like to I love pop
38:45music pop music's so good people that
38:47don't like it shut up you're lying it's
38:49good it's good po reason popular music y
38:53you know find out that's not what it
38:54stands for it's like oh it doesn't I
38:56don't know I would be crazy that be
38:57crazy it's like got be it's it's popcorn
39:01music actually popcorn music so you're
39:03on this level of like I think and I
39:05don't know if this was I'm curious about
39:06just with laser beams too was it were
39:08you thinking in your head when you were
39:10when you were making the song okay
39:11what's like a cool thing that I could I
39:12could say bring out the lasers is is
39:16there's it seems like the strategy is to
39:20send it to exision or send it to people
39:22that are going to have huge visuals the
39:24word laser is going to be Ant exra added
39:28layer of being able to give somebody
39:30another uh sort of form of expressing
39:33themselves visually right so you have
39:36the song itself and then you have the
39:37word laser too which everybody loves
39:39lasers they all sound cool right um and
39:41then also giving people the ability to
39:44create visual art from it yeah was that
39:46a thought too or was that did that just
39:48kind of happened now now it's a thought
39:51everything I've done since then with
39:52like Happy song Eat Sleep rage uh see
39:54you drop song request that's definitely
39:55a thought back then I think I the sound
39:58it sounded like lasers in the drop I was
39:59just like bring out the lasers and then
40:01when we sent it to when I sent it to
40:02excision that's when the thought kind of
40:04kicked in it was after it was done I was
40:06like oh this does make sense and I think
40:07that's also partly why we were so
40:11gatekeeping about who we sent the song
40:13to because it's like we're going to send
40:16it to the people that have the high
40:17production because it'll make sense it's
40:18going to make it a bigger moment so I
40:20think that was definitely part of at
40:21least the strategy of the roll out
40:23marketing wise was that thought there
40:24right um as for like creating these
40:27things and having that kind of creative
40:28like concept mindset it's a very
40:29important thing for me I think laser
40:31beam really kind of set that tone for me
40:33as well um because I love making songs
40:36that feel like they have a theme I think
40:38a really good example of this outside of
40:39EDM I listen to a lot of metal core and
40:42a lot of rock music and stuff and
40:43there's a band I used that I us I love
40:45very currently ice 9 kills is one of my
40:47favorite bands of all time and they
40:49started as like a like a SCA band back
40:51in the day and now they make metal core
40:53that they even some people call it
40:54theater core because their music now is
40:57every song is inspired by a horror movie
41:01and yeah they like dress up and stuff
41:03they dress up on stage they have like
41:04they have like set props on stage so
41:06like the thing that popped them off cuz
41:08they were they've been a band since 2000
41:09I think and they just got popular like
41:11four or five six years ago which is a
41:13long time I feel like a lot of relation
41:14to that it's like I've been making music
41:15forever and things took off finally but
41:17that band they they did an album I think
41:20every trick in the book and it was every
41:22song was based off of a novel and that's
41:25when they first finally got that
41:26breakthrough and then uh the leads the
41:29lead front man Spencer Charis like he's
41:31a huge fan of horror so he's like the
41:34next album silver scream every song is
41:36based off of a horror movie and like
41:37it's down to like there's like syns in
41:39it that like uh the it's not and it's
41:41like a retelling he like explains the
41:43story and like the themes in the lyrics
41:45and it's really cool it's not it's not
41:46like um and that's the ring like it's
41:49not like I mean it's just like it's
41:51never like that you know but it's like
41:53it's not super literal yeah it's just
41:54like about the themes in it and
41:56sometimes plot and stuff and I love that
41:58I think it's so cool that it's like
41:59these Concepts that are in songs and
42:01yeah you don't see it that much in like
42:03in Bass music maybe you get like a
42:04here's a Halloween EP because it's
42:06October you know but like you don't get
42:08like full songs like that I feel like
42:10and I think laser beam was a big jumping
42:12off point for that and that's why like I
42:14think for me Happy song was a really
42:15good follow-up example of that because I
42:18uh I I made that drop of the and I I
42:23just I found that funny vocal this song
42:25makes me really happy and I was like it
42:26makes no sense but I kind of love that's
42:28the thing about dubstep is that another
42:29thing about like the Hard Dubstep cringe
42:31level I'm like guys the pre- drops in
42:33some of these songs like let's bring
42:34ourselves down here this is the
42:36cheesiest vocal oh for sure but uh when
42:38I had that vocal I was like okay well
42:40now let's make an intro that's very
42:42happy and bright and then have it get
42:44scary and dark so it's ironic or
42:46whatever and like that's the concept
42:48there and see you drop is very much like
42:52the the vocal just drop drop drop drop
42:54drop drop drop drop like it's just very
42:57catchy and repetitive you know it's just
42:59having these like these just different
43:01concepts yeah I love that you're putting
43:03in that extra thought into your heart
43:04100% it's important I I like to I like
43:07to put myself as like a Gateway dubstep
43:09person because I think like if you're
43:11showing if you're showing someone
43:12dubstep for the very first time and they
43:14come from like only John Summit or they
43:16come from house uh they come from Dom
43:19dollar or something and you're trying to
43:19get them into Bass music you're not
43:21going to go here's sudden death you're
43:23not going to do that because it's just
43:25it's extremely Niche and extremely heavy
43:27incredible artist known Danny for so
43:29long he's such a great guy he's one of
43:31the best that there is but it's just a
43:33very darker Niche sound so I'm like
43:35before you go there you think a pit stop
43:37right and I'm like that pit stop you
43:38know I'm like here's Ray vulpi it's a
43:40lot more commercial sounding it's like
43:42chain smokery dubstep or like you know
43:44other examples of like this kind of
43:45sound I think would fall under like epic
43:47and crank that they're very commercial
43:49Dubstep Sound as well you know it's like
43:50great kind of um halfway points into
43:52getting into those more Niche stuff like
43:54a marada or sudden death or space la
43:57abstract like dubstep yeah thank you so
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44:23into the podcast so we were talking
44:25about you you you you coming up and then
44:27you're you're you're signing with labels
44:30and you're also kind of like doing a lot
44:32independent you're you're you're in the
44:34grind of of pitching your music to
44:36people hoping people play it out it
44:39seems like you've dealt with and I mean
44:40this in the best way you've dealt with a
44:42lot of rejection in Industry oh so like
44:45big time at this big time at this point
44:48in your career I would imagine you know
44:50because you've had some success before
44:52laser beams popped off you've had
44:53success you are you were you know you
44:55were doing things how did you deal deal
44:57with that and what what is the
44:58continuation of the story from where we
44:59left off uh it was really hard you know
45:02I think like I I had a lot of every
45:04label I wanted to work with rejected me
45:06basically back in like 2013 until 2019
45:10basically that's why I was putting out
45:11music independently like I didn't I
45:13didn't have a choice necessarily I I was
45:15struggling I think that
45:18um like the music was good but the brand
45:20wasn't there I just didn't have a brand
45:22I I I like I wasn't I didn't know how to
45:25use social Med I used social media a lot
45:28it's not well like I posted a photo of
45:31me like at
45:32CVS what what the [Â __Â ] like why did I do
45:35that you know what I mean not even
45:37sponsored not even sponsored by CVS
45:38didn't even get paid for it yeah didn't
45:40even get paid for it yeah bleep
45:42CVS their receipts are long as [Â __Â ] for
45:45and for what and for what so you're
45:47posting you're you're you're trying to
45:48grow on social media you're posting
45:50pictures of yourself at CVS I I like the
45:52idea that the receipts either it's bad
45:55for the paper and here but if the lally
45:58long email it's like as much power as
46:00like an nft it's just killing the
46:02environment in a server
46:03somewhere causing some type still
46:06[Â __Â ] with everyone but yeah so like I
46:07was I wasn't using social media
46:08correctly to my advantage at all and um
46:13I was putting out music that was good
46:15but that's basically it so uh a lot of
46:18rejection and I just I kept going cuz I
46:22didn't know what else to do you know
46:23like that was and at that point too to
46:25be honest I didn't know I was wasn't
46:27like I was growing just ever so slowly
46:30it was like the slowest the lowest
46:32amount of incline you're incline one on
46:34a treadmill you know what I mean like
46:36that's it it was really but I didn't
46:38notice cuz at this point I get signed to
46:40my first management company that I was
46:42at and I'm around all these really cool
46:44other artists that were really popular
46:46in dubstep so I'm like let's [Â __Â ] go
46:49guys so you know things are in you know
46:51things are happening around you you're
46:53in something yeah I'm like I'm playing
46:54shows with these really awesome dubstep
46:56artist I'm you know hanging around them
46:59and stuff and I'm like everything must
47:00be going well and at first I feel like
47:02it was but then I think quickly it just
47:04it doesn't cuz you're not doing enough
47:06like you have to constantly be evolving
47:07or doing something else you know I think
47:08that's like a huge thing that you just
47:10said right there for like people at home
47:13you know you were surrounded by
47:15successful like dubstep DJs and artists
47:18all around you and it made you feel good
47:20M but there wasn't any progression right
47:24yeah there was like there's like it's
47:26like okay I did these shows and now what
47:29like I like what what do I what do you
47:30do to to picky back off of that cuz like
47:33I was given the
47:35opportunities and I was given that
47:37platform essentially to work with these
47:39guys and like hang out with them and you
47:41know I collabed with some and did
47:43remixes and all that and but it's like
47:46how do you how do you take advantage of
47:47that not in a negative way take
47:48advantage how do you take that and run
47:50with it how do you follow up with that
47:52and I don't think I did a really good
47:53job of that I think that I just kept
47:55doing the same [Â __Â ] that I was always
47:57doing I think that was a big problem and
48:00I didn't know any better cuz at this
48:02point I'm like 19 or 20 I've been making
48:04music since I was 12 and I had this the
48:06only manager I had known and I'm like
48:09well no one's telling me I'm doing
48:10anything wrong and I don't think I'm
48:11doing anything wrong so everything must
48:12be cool I have a good Agent everything's
48:14cool and then my fee for my shows never
48:18grew that was like the first sign for me
48:22it wasn't a bad fee necessarily I think
48:24I started off a little higher than it
48:26should have been uh I will say but I I
48:30it stayed there it stayed there for like
48:33multiple years and I was like what's
48:36going on guys you know it's like then
48:39more shows started happening and I'm
48:41like flights are starting to get a
48:42little expensive and then I like that's
48:44probably
48:45temporary it's probably not going to
48:46stay that way but um things start to
48:48slow down a bit I'm not like I'm not
48:50like you know in these I'm not playing
48:51lost lands I'm not playing festivals
48:53suddenly and things are just not going
48:55well and I'm like what's going on but if
48:56I looked back like I wasn't putting out
48:57a singles I'm putting out like B songs
49:00I'm putting out like this should be an
49:01EP cut this should be something that's
49:03on the EP that doesn't live as a single
49:05but like it's good it's just not amazing
49:08yeah and I was putting those out as
49:09singles and I didn't know this at the
49:10time like I at this time I didn't know
49:11anything it's all like looking back and
49:12talking to my team and stuff your
49:14manager didn't say anything nobody was
49:15telling you no wow and they kept taking
49:18dips and I think that was definitely on
49:19a decline and then it got to the point
49:21where they were like hey look you have
49:22to Rebrand or we're not going to work
49:23with you anymore and I was like
49:25wow I'm not going to do it I just
49:28believed in myself too much I think I I
49:30started to not though I started to be
49:32really stressful um of course and I same
49:35day that happened I got a new manager
49:37his name is Pat who I've been working
49:38with for ever since for four years now
49:41um he also manages blank uh who's
49:43another he's a fellow Australian because
49:45my manager's Australian but uh um and
49:48then je started getting involved in the
49:49project and um I had got a new agent
49:52named Peter um who used to work at
49:55William Morris and now he's at mint um
49:57nice and it's the Dream Team Peter Pat
50:01Jess like they have changed everything
50:04for me because I think for me something
50:06that I've learned is that being uh part
50:11of a like there's like some people
50:14really want to be on like maybe someone
50:17wants to be like on a really big company
50:19and they're like I want to be here yeah
50:21and like if I'm here I'm going to be
50:23successful cuz everyone around me is
50:24successful it doesn't guarantee you
50:26anything at the end of the day 100% it
50:28just doesn't and that's not a negative
50:30thing to say to that company or any
50:32company at all it's just that's the fact
50:34of the matter because if you're not
50:37buzzing with momentum or you're not
50:39doing everything that you can be doing
50:41they're going to be focused on other
50:42things CU that's just how it is I to be
50:45seen yeah you have yeah so I I found
50:48myself in my career to be way more
50:50successful with you know my team my team
50:53is small my team is small my agent he he
50:57only does like I think one or two other
50:58dub step acts he does jam bands
51:00otherwise wow he used to work in EDM and
51:02that's why like you know we're here now
51:04but he like otherwise like I'm I'm like
51:06in this really small very good like kind
51:08of Boutique Vibe here my manager is so
51:11it's his own company you know and he
51:12manages like handful of artists and it's
51:14just us um and Jess only works on me and
51:19um so it's like uh so having Jess Pat
51:24and Peter where it's like these smaller
51:26te
51:27it's all very much focused on I've
51:29noticed the Hands-On is so much better
51:31so what was the what was like the
51:33biggest um what was the biggest thing
51:36that changed in your life after your
51:39your big hits CU I always hear you talk
51:41about like your life absolutely changed
51:44you know what was the big thing was it
51:46you didn't have to outreach more yeah
51:48there's there's a lot there's a lot I
51:50think there's a lot of positives that
51:51Chang a lot of negatives too I think on
51:53the positives is like the Outreach
51:55changed right started just becoming
51:57accepted more I would say um socially
52:00socially inside the industry they
52:02started taking me seriously again yeah
52:04um I think that it opened a lot of doors
52:08on festivals I I got to play laa paloa
52:10the next year I finally played EDC for
52:11the first time I'm finally doing all
52:13these festivals and I was like whoa this
52:15is crazy these were not
52:18possible the year prior six months prior
52:21to that song coming out like there was
52:23no world I was going to play laip bla or
52:25EDC we had talked actually I remember
52:28internally with my team was Pat and Jess
52:30we were talking about like um before
52:32laser beam we were talking about like oh
52:34EDC is like 2025 I think that's what we
52:36said like we'll get there 2025 I end up
52:38playing in 2023 because it happened in
52:412022 with the song so like it was crazy
52:43um we thought it was that far away like
52:46we thought that all those goals were
52:47that far away so much has become more
52:49possible because of that not only that
52:51but like uh you know like you know being
52:54able to work with like you know labels
52:55and stuff now because I have more to
52:56bring to the table on the business side
52:58which is great um uh then you have stuff
53:02that like changes your life where it's
53:04like a negative CU like I my time
53:07management goes out the window I start
53:10touring way more um because at the end
53:14of the day I wanted to be seen as much
53:16as possible after that song came out so
53:19I did I did Europe I did Asia I did
53:21America I did everything I did
53:22everything I went everywhere I did
53:24festivals everywhere and I just show
53:26everywhere cuz I'm like's now the time
53:28now the time yeah just it's all go go go
53:30go go so we I started like being I can't
53:34like f i can't like get anything done
53:36that I need to get done otherwise I
53:37wasn't able to make a song for like six
53:40to eight months wow I was [Â __Â ] I was
53:43like I can't create I am screwed I
53:46didn't know I the first song I made
53:47after was Happy song and need s rage
53:49those two in November right before EDC
53:51Orlando the first bits of music I made
53:54which thankfully those were big songs
53:55for me yeah but like went like well
53:59rested right yeah I went I went it went
54:01dry for a while cuz it's it was a lot of
54:02pressure you know it it wasn't it was
54:05like a combination of like oh pressure
54:06to make a sequel followup but then also
54:08just pressure to make in general CU I'm
54:10just like on the road a lot coming home
54:12I'm tired I don't want to make music and
54:15to this day like I said I don't practice
54:16what I preach myself like I I'm [Â __Â ]
54:18I'm so lazy about stuff it's really bad
54:21it's not even funny it's really bad it's
54:22really bad maybe it's also like you know
54:25creativity is like I think it as like a
54:26gas tank and if you go out and you're
54:28touring and stuff like that even though
54:30you might not be like doing creative
54:31things it like empties that tank and
54:33sometimes you have to take a moment to
54:35like allow that tank to fill up again my
54:37tank it takes too long to fill cuz it'll
54:39be a month of me doing nothing and it's
54:41not filled it's not even at a quarter
54:43tank at that point it's at oh why are we
54:45at a tenth full it's been a month it's
54:47that truck tank yeah yeah it's I got
54:50like it's like you're pouring it out
54:51it's like just
54:52drops so like I'm like I
54:57like I I I know like it just got really
54:59hard to to to manage time and to feel
55:01like I can get stuff done and to um just
55:05like not like I was having like I was
55:07having like P like stress panic attacks
55:09anxiety attacks I was just so I couldn't
55:10handle it um eventually it just got
55:12easier over time because he got used to
55:14it yeah and then also uh I
55:19think Pat and Jess like they didn't know
55:22how bad it was well Jess knew how bad it
55:24was cuz she was on the road with me
55:25right but Pat didn't know how bad it was
55:27at first my manager he didn't know
55:28because I just didn't want I didn't want
55:30him to know how bad it was um and then
55:32eventually just got to point where we
55:33have to talk you know let him know he
55:35was the thing about him too which is an
55:37incredible
55:38management incredible manager and
55:40incredible friend thing is that when I
55:42told him at first that it was like
55:44really bad we had like another 30 shows
55:47lined up that were already announced
55:48he's like we'll pull it all if we have
55:49to three Z 30 he was like he was ready
55:52to pull it all he does not care if he
55:54pulls it and like there's no now cuz at
55:56that point for anyone that's watching
55:57home like there's no Commission on that
55:58like your manager gets like a cut of
56:00what you make he didn't care right it
56:02was me first and he he very much cares
56:04about my my mental health and my mindset
56:06like in today like like he like if we
56:10had something really big happening like
56:12he would just pull it it it doesn't
56:13matter it doesn't matter to him um he
56:16and he's a big strategic person and
56:17stuff like that but he he really cares
56:19about me which is something I really
56:21appreciate that he was willing to do
56:23that I end up just doing all the shows
56:24and sticking through it I think just
56:25even hearing him say that made me feel
56:26really good sure I was like oh for me
56:29that's huge you got to prioritize that
56:31that mental health some people are very
56:34everyone is different that's something
56:35massive like I like I strug I made a
56:38post recently this is kind of related
56:41like being like how long does it take to
56:43wake wake up in the morning when you
56:44wake up how long until you feel fully
56:46ready energized and ready yes and um
56:51someone very close to me they were like
56:53uh like no it's like like an hour or
56:55less like it's fine otherwise and then I
56:59was sharing all the responses of like 3
57:01hours 5 hours some people are saying
57:03more and I'm like and I'm like cuz I'm
57:05like it takes me like three four hours
57:06to like get like feel like I'm ready for
57:08the day and I'm like yeah like
57:10everyone's different some people like
57:11they could just get up and go and like
57:13you know they can maybe some people are
57:14really good at working through anxiety
57:16or struggling and they can just like
57:17kind of compartmental compartmentalize
57:19things people could do that I can't I
57:21shut down like so do you do either you
57:23like shut down or do you I'm a I'm a 30
57:26minute kind of guy I'll wake up and just
57:29slam some coffee have a big breakfast
57:31and I'm like creative I'm like let's
57:33[Â __Â ] go I'm going to make some music
57:36I'm going to go talk to this person I'm
57:37going to and it goes until like 2 p.m.
57:39and then I start like lulling at 2 p.m.
57:41whoa so can either of you just be like
57:43I'm gonna make music
57:45today and then make music uh we try we
57:49try to turn on I shut I like I shut down
57:52for sure and I take longer to get to get
57:54going like I have um I'm I'm curious for
57:58you too like I have this thing where if
58:01good things are happening in our career
58:03it can also make me feel very anxious
58:06because it feels like it all happens at
58:07once like good things never happen like
58:09one after another there it's either like
58:12one good thing is happening and then
58:13another good thing happens and another
58:15good thing and you have to like decide
58:17on how to like route that and that that
58:19overwhelms me a lot that I'm the same
58:22exact way cuz then I'm like okay well I
58:23can't work now yeah I know people I
58:26think like I don't know if company does
58:28this but I'm going to assume he does
58:29thisle so yeah I just like little little
58:32[Â __Â ] Kyle I love him he's my he's a
58:35good friend of mine let me make that
58:36very clear some people don't know if we
58:38have actual beef but
58:40we something I think about him is
58:43because I know he's he's like a sound
58:45design person yeah and he's very much a
58:47very musical like I feel like he's like
58:49all right Tuesdays is for sound design I
58:50don't know if he's like that I assume
58:52he's like that like Tuesday I'm going to
58:53sit down do some sound design every
58:54Tuesday at 3:00 and then do that and I'm
58:57like how the [Â __Â ] do you do that cuz IED
58:59yeah I'm not I'm not but also part of
59:01the problem for me um so I'm 26 I'm I'll
59:06be 27 June 4th you know coming up it's
59:09coming up by the time this airs it's
59:11going be right around the corner
59:11probably yeah um so
59:13like I I've actually never had a job
59:16this is my only job I I started making
59:18music in 2010 I didn't get a part-time
59:21job in high school I was making music I
59:23dropped out of high school I was bullied
59:25I started I was like I give myself one
59:27year for music when I dropped out and
59:29then ex started playing me out and all
59:30this stuff so I I was like I'm GNA go
59:32with it and I went on tour with dirt
59:33monkey and Jansen like a year after I
59:35dropped out so I was like oh cool like
59:37this is cool and I so I I don't have
59:39like some of these like regiment
59:42responsibilities like in like in my head
59:44you know what I mean some of those
59:46things I have social cues got all that
59:48stuff the other parts that you learn
59:51when you get a job those
59:52responsibilities I lack all of those not
59:55just me being very transparent honest
59:57like I I struggle with those things
59:59because I never had that so like I can't
01:00:01get my like I like I I like there's no
01:00:03like accountability on that side from me
01:00:06I struggle with it a lot like I can't
01:00:09like you know if I have something that's
01:00:11due on the 10th mhm you know damn well
01:00:14my team gave me like a third fake
01:00:16deadline the 10th is not even the fake
01:00:18of the fake deadline cuz it's like I not
01:00:21going to get it done on the tally and
01:00:23thing is I want to so badly I so badly
01:00:27want to but I just can't get get myself
01:00:30to do these things and like it's not an
01:00:31excuse it's just I can't I it's just the
01:00:33way that your brain works yeah and it's
01:00:35I I I regret that's like that's part of
01:00:37why this is a random like kind of
01:00:39tangent like I part of me regrets like
01:00:41dropping out of high school cuz I think
01:00:42if I went to college I would have it a
01:00:44bit better because there's that regimen
01:00:45of going to classes and stuff like I
01:00:47have no structure of my life at all I
01:00:49dropped out of high school too dude so
01:00:51but you're pretty structured I think
01:00:53yeah I think you actually
01:00:56survives no I am not but he's also like
01:00:59super unorganized too in other ways like
01:01:02in in in instances he's like very much
01:01:04like we got to do this this and this and
01:01:06this and this and I'm kind of like okay
01:01:08you know what I mean but in other ways
01:01:09he's also just completely not and so I I
01:01:13I see with what you're saying if you've
01:01:15never had like an actual like I don't
01:01:16mean this in a bad way but
01:01:17responsibility as far as like having a
01:01:19job you don't get a chance to learn
01:01:22those sort of things but also like I I
01:01:25think that there's also so I don't know
01:01:26maybe this is different for you but when
01:01:28there's an opportunity and there is a
01:01:31deadline involved with it I feel like he
01:01:33and I both are like we put all our [Â __Â ]
01:01:35to the side we know that this is the
01:01:36most important thing that we have to do
01:01:38if it's opportunity based yeah you can
01:01:40get it done though I I get more pressure
01:01:42I'm like [Â __Â ] I have to get this done by
01:01:43then now I have no ideas I'm like
01:01:46struggling because I'm like I know this
01:01:47is coming up I need to get this done
01:01:49yeah like I'm like uh oh uh oh uh oh and
01:01:52then I shut down like I'm a bad test
01:01:53taker I can know all the answers to the
01:01:55test but then when it's there and
01:01:56there's pressure it all goes away yeah
01:01:58I'm not a very confrontational person at
01:02:01all because if I confront someone and I
01:02:03if like if you like stole like you stole
01:02:06my hat right and I was like I want I
01:02:09want to come up to you like where the
01:02:10[Â __Â ] my hat but then you like lied and
01:02:12were're like I never took your hat I
01:02:13would probably choke up cuz I'm like I'm
01:02:14just bad at like being like no I saw I
01:02:18have like no the footage is right here I
01:02:20would that would leave my brain right
01:02:22like that would leave my brain I
01:02:23struggle I just really struggle can
01:02:26relate to that a little bit too it's
01:02:27like non-confrontational especially with
01:02:29people that I really care about I don't
01:02:31I don't want to lose people that I and I
01:02:32feel like if I have to have a uh a
01:02:35confrontation with them that they're
01:02:36going to leave I'm a massive people
01:02:37pleaser it's something I've been better
01:02:38about in my in my recent years but like
01:02:42it's something I really I'm like I cuz
01:02:45there's like people I think that don't
01:02:46deserve my time or energy that I
01:02:48definitely give it to it's it is a strug
01:02:51is Aug the main thing though that's like
01:02:53I'm noticing is like theme wise is like
01:02:55he and I have have each other to we both
01:02:58have the same issues and and we both
01:03:01have the different strengths and
01:03:02different weaknesses and it seems like
01:03:04with you is like you you surrounded
01:03:05yourself with the right team I definit
01:03:07that you need to help you get to that
01:03:10because you guys can balance each other
01:03:11out with that um I think my team is the
01:03:13Saving Grace for me 100% like like
01:03:17there's no Ray vulpi without them
01:03:19there's not it's just doesn't exist it
01:03:21it's it's it's huge yeah and I think for
01:03:23the people at home is like another thing
01:03:25I remember I used to trip out about is
01:03:27like okay well how do I get a manager
01:03:29how do I build like a team and it's like
01:03:31you shouldn't even be thinking about
01:03:33that yet if you're just trying to get
01:03:34your your career going you know yeah
01:03:36also I think a lot of people want to
01:03:37like pitch themselves to managers but
01:03:38you should let them come to you let them
01:03:39find if you put like if you put yourself
01:03:42to somebody else it's it's not
01:03:44guaranteed to happen but like you're
01:03:46putting yourself in that position to to
01:03:48have like it's it's not the ball's not
01:03:49in your court you know what I mean they
01:03:51could you can like if you're going to
01:03:53talk terms or something and just be a
01:03:54little bit worse on your end
01:03:56if out there pitching they're not coming
01:03:59to you you so I always think people
01:04:01should let people come to them um and
01:04:03definitely not focus on uh just focus on
01:04:06just yeah building yourself as much as
01:04:08you can that's something I think I I
01:04:10wasn't able to do with like getting
01:04:13like like being in high school then
01:04:15dropping out and then getting to go on
01:04:17tour right away like I I think I skipped
01:04:20a lot of skipped a lot of personal steps
01:04:23there's pros and cons right like like
01:04:25I'm like oh sick I got to do this tour I
01:04:27got to make a little bit of money uh and
01:04:29I live at home so that's awesome and
01:04:31then like what do we do from here do
01:04:33this do this start you know monetizing
01:04:35songs on Soundcloud get a couple hundred
01:04:37bucks or whatever I'm like okay like
01:04:39this is cool now I have a little bit of
01:04:40like Financial Freedom in some way and
01:04:42it's like okay well now I eventually
01:04:43have to grow do some more shows bigger
01:04:46shows and then I move to LA and I have
01:04:47bills and I'm like I don't know what
01:04:49anything is I like I just know how to do
01:04:52laundry and I eat out you know so it's
01:04:54like I had it's like a lot of growing up
01:04:56early on that I feel like uh I I I
01:04:59missed out on uh from like lacking
01:05:02certain experiences but then I gain
01:05:03other experiences is this it's it's an
01:05:04interesting story for sure yeah I always
01:05:06feel like I missed out on like the
01:05:08four-year college experience like the
01:05:11what the frats I guess or like whatever
01:05:14the college stories would be yeah every
01:05:16time I see like shows or movies with
01:05:18college in I get a little sad I'm like
01:05:20I'm just like what is this you like it's
01:05:22it too late I'm mid 27 it's too late
01:05:24what up guys
01:05:26ray vulpe goes to college VP sir that's
01:05:30another 30k keep
01:05:32ruining per it's per error actually
01:05:35break the third wall I'm sorry one thing
01:05:37I want to I want to bring up that I
01:05:38think that was really interesting is uh
01:05:40at least I I've noticed at least in our
01:05:42career is there's levels to this [Â __Â ]
01:05:46right and you're for the people at home
01:05:49that maybe aren't uh aren't having uh
01:05:52doing this full-time like in the sense
01:05:53of like there are people that do it
01:05:55fulltime but like really doing it full
01:05:56time like getting paid and paying the
01:05:58bills um there's a level that you get to
01:06:01and then there's peers on that level and
01:06:02then trying to get to the next level is
01:06:07just as hard as it was is trying to get
01:06:09to that same level and with your career
01:06:11it seems like that's where it was
01:06:13whatever that level was I was stuck in
01:06:15like this like low mid tier yeah
01:06:17basically and then you it takes a lot to
01:06:19break out of it because the thing is
01:06:21that the mid tier is the biggest like
01:06:25attendance you know what I mean yeah
01:06:27sure I think I think that cuz it's it's
01:06:31a lot easier for an underground artist
01:06:35to get discovered than it is for like a
01:06:38person that's in the mid tier because
01:06:40the mid tier person can look washed they
01:06:42can look washed like like if you're it's
01:06:45easier to go from Z to 100 than than
01:06:47from 40 to 100 you know what I mean cuz
01:06:49it's like it's it's a weird concept but
01:06:51it's true you know there's artists that
01:06:53like and that's why you see so many
01:06:54people Rebrand like [Â __Â ] crazy cuz
01:06:58then they're like this is a new thing
01:06:59and then it's easier to like Market it
01:07:01as a new hot buzzing Thing versus like
01:07:03you know oh they've been around for a
01:07:05bit what have they been doing nothing I
01:07:07guess it's a dead project so that's why
01:07:09you see everyone start over like six
01:07:10times sometimes and then their sixth
01:07:12project finally hits which is great if
01:07:13they finally can do it or some people
01:07:15maybe have three projects running at
01:07:17once and then one of them takes off and
01:07:19then they ditch the other two or
01:07:20whatever the case may be um I think uh
01:07:24it's it's hard it's it's it's
01:07:25interesting because it's like but then
01:07:27it's hard to break from like going from
01:07:28like low mid tier to the mid mid tier is
01:07:31hard and then mid mid tier to the high
01:07:33mid tier is still hard yeah and then and
01:07:36then going to high tier is like that's
01:07:39like the impossible part it's like you
01:07:42know unless you have a breakthrough song
01:07:44and even then it's not enough like I
01:07:45don't consider myself a high tier act
01:07:46you know I mean I'm like notable in Bass
01:07:48music or whatever but like um to breakr
01:07:51out of that that's like you got to be
01:07:53doing like there's a lot of [Â __Â ] that
01:07:55has to kind of come to play there and
01:07:56that's like where now we're trying to
01:07:58like I have like these songs like song
01:08:00requests that's like cool cuz it's like
01:08:01not dubstep it's Bas house that can
01:08:04reach a lot more people a lot more
01:08:06audiences um laser beam obviously hit so
01:08:08many genres um and then like trying to
01:08:11expand the shows how we can so it's not
01:08:12just normally just a set or something
01:08:14and then other things like that where
01:08:16it's ways
01:08:18to just expand the brand and kind of
01:08:21grow yeah so you do a lot of like visual
01:08:23stuff do you go Hands-On blender or like
01:08:26Cinema 4D or do you kind of just oversee
01:08:30it I oversee it I'm like an executive
01:08:32producer in that sense like I uh I come
01:08:34I have a bit of 3D background actually I
01:08:36used to use blender in Cinema 4D back in
01:08:38the day um with my with the Cod montages
01:08:41I did everything graphic design video
01:08:43editing 3D work everything so I I I I
01:08:46would dabble in everything and so back
01:08:49in 2021 or 2020 I believe I got linked
01:08:53up this guy Andre he posted up a fan
01:08:57clip of one of my songs I think it was
01:08:59programmed to love VIP or something with
01:09:00these like VR goggles or something and I
01:09:02was like this is it was a sick video a
01:09:04really cool 3D video and so I hit him up
01:09:07I was like hey I would love to work with
01:09:08you and we've been attached to the hip
01:09:10ever since he's my boy like he does all
01:09:12my 3D work and he's gotten extremely
01:09:15good at 3D work he's dude it's
01:09:18impressive it is very impressive which I
01:09:20think on the note of like my growth and
01:09:22and social media playing a part Andre is
01:09:24a huge part of that as well cuz he's
01:09:26very much as part of this team as Pat
01:09:27Pete and Jess are sure because Andre is
01:09:30the visual side of this project Jess is
01:09:32Jess was the idea to bring vitron to
01:09:34life because vitron was a nickname and a
01:09:36vocal tag in 2015 I started putting it
01:09:39in my songs cuz prior to that I think in
01:09:422014 uh I had a friend his name is Kai
01:09:45not Kai watchy a different Kai he was a
01:09:47rapper and uh I hit him and another
01:09:49friend up I was like yo guys I need like
01:09:51a vocal tag cuz yo scr drop it hard just
01:09:53happened and Kyoto
01:09:55I need this so they start doing like hey
01:09:59y vuli Drop That Bass mhm and then like
01:10:02there was one that was I was like that's
01:10:03that's good to on the nose and there was
01:10:05another one in the file that's like vuli
01:10:06make them [Â __Â ] wobble and I'm like
01:10:08that's not me that's not me that's just
01:10:10not me do I look do I does that that's
01:10:12not my vibe so like know that was in the
01:10:15file too and then there was one more in
01:10:16the file and the last one was vitron
01:10:209,000 and it was left there as a joke
01:10:23because I guess it's taken from Voltron
01:10:26like a Mech character which is like in
01:10:28anime and cartoons and stuff which I
01:10:29never watched personally but Kai is a
01:10:32super cartoon uh superhero anime
01:10:34everything kind of ner of all that stuff
01:10:36and um so they left it in there and I
01:10:38loved that one I was like that's
01:10:41awesome that was the most authentic yeah
01:10:43I was like that's fire so I at one point
01:10:45I was like you have like all these
01:10:47producers that have tags in their songs
01:10:50that are in rap you know you have um you
01:10:53know mustard mustard on the
01:10:56be you have DJ khed there's just a list
01:10:59goes on yeah yeah so I was like okay I'm
01:11:01going throw my [Â __Â ] [Â __Â ] in there so
01:11:03I just threw vitron 9000 in I just kept
01:11:06doing it and people started calling me
01:11:07vitron and eventually I just was like
01:11:10all right let's drop the 9,000 and I uh
01:11:13dropped it so uh it just I re-recorded
01:11:15it myself and it comes from I made a
01:11:18joke what those noise makers like the it
01:11:21was New Year's I made a MBA track I
01:11:22sampled it and it's like a song that's
01:11:24like
01:11:27I'll give you the clip so you can play
01:11:28it and I Content ID claim this video and
01:11:31then so get to monetize it I [Â __Â ] you
01:11:35guys over um no I I made that and
01:11:38there's a vocal on it it's say it's me
01:11:40just going oh boy it's
01:11:43vitron like it's high pitched and I just
01:11:46cut the vulp Tron and that's it that's
01:11:48all it is so sick um and then you built
01:11:51on that and developed the whole brand
01:11:52off of it yeah which I was never going
01:11:54to bring it to life ever in 2020 it was
01:11:56the pandemic we needed to do some new
01:11:58merch and Jess was like yo like bring
01:12:00this [Â __Â ] to life please like you have
01:12:02no brand I was like excuse me please say
01:12:04that no brand it was a lot nicer than
01:12:06that but uh I was like okay and that was
01:12:09the best definitely thing ever and then
01:12:11Andre is getting involved um the
01:12:13original the original vitron was created
01:12:16by Sam button who was a friend of mine
01:12:17who lived in my apartment complex he
01:12:18works at like various he's worked at uh
01:12:21like various animation like uh Studios
01:12:23he's done like cell animation and Stu
01:12:25like that he design and stuff so he drew
01:12:27the original head um and then we had
01:12:29Andre make stuff off of it and um
01:12:33working with him like he brought this
01:12:34whole thing to life because now on the
01:12:35release front my social media is very
01:12:38visual heavy like it's like I'm because
01:12:40when you think about it right like
01:12:42everyone does uh back in the day and I
01:12:46say back in the day I mean like even now
01:12:47still when you see a label drop a
01:12:49release it's this artwork in a 3D
01:12:53environment mhm Shake coming into frame
01:12:56Yep this is the the artwork and then
01:12:58it's 3D text that's like this thick and
01:13:00it's like Ray vuli EP out now that's
01:13:04what it is lightning overlay strobe
01:13:07right and then it doesn't even play the
01:13:08drop it's like a [Â __Â ] buildup into it
01:13:10I'm like okay guys let's this is so
01:13:12washed everyone does this all the time
01:13:15they're not engaging to watch they're
01:13:17not fun to watch right it's a template
01:13:19at this point because you know which I
01:13:21get like we go back to the business
01:13:22conversation you can just save that and
01:13:24after effects and then replace the
01:13:26artwork change the color change the text
01:13:29change the audio file you're good to go
01:13:31so I understand why they do that yeah
01:13:33but coming from someone that was
01:13:34independent and mostly at the time
01:13:37trying to do things myself I was like
01:13:39all right well let's do this differently
01:13:41people freak out at these excision shows
01:13:43with these visuals people freak out
01:13:44seeing these things and it's like why
01:13:45don't we just use the something that we
01:13:48make like why don't we get him to make
01:13:49something and we could just play that at
01:13:50the shows and stuff and that was kind of
01:13:51the vibe so I feel I do feel like
01:13:53there's other people that do that now
01:13:55which is awesome I I don't know if I
01:13:57started that Trend I'm not going to take
01:13:59the
01:14:00credit we'll give it to you your your
01:14:03label is going to go crazy yes I'm going
01:14:05to I'm going to make no money but it's
01:14:07going to look so sick it's going to be
01:14:09so high-end people are going to be so
01:14:11engaged and it's going to go off I think
01:14:13the biggest takeaway is just like the
01:14:14amount of thought that you're putting
01:14:15into your project and the amount of
01:14:17authenticity into it and I think that
01:14:19that's a big thing because I remember
01:14:21when I was coming up I I was like
01:14:23talking to uh to brill and he would just
01:14:25be like brand brand brand and I would
01:14:28just get so anxious over what a brand is
01:14:30and then uh when we started doing
01:14:33excellent I we were just doing things
01:14:35that we just liked and we thought were
01:14:37funny and then that naturally became
01:14:41what the brand is it's like that's
01:14:43literally all it is is just finding
01:14:45something that yeah when they think of
01:14:48excellent what do they think of they
01:14:49think and then if they have that thought
01:14:52there that's all you really need you
01:14:53know for me I have vul I got the robot
01:14:56guy got the visuals and it made sense
01:14:59because it was just it wasn't something
01:15:01that you were like you know you were
01:15:03obviously like you were looking for it
01:15:04but you weren't like trying it just came
01:15:07it just it fell into my lap literally
01:15:09that's how it works and I think that's
01:15:10the best way to have that there um I
01:15:13think that yeah I think a huge part of
01:15:16my brand is just yeah it's vitron
01:15:19screechin pop dubstep commercially
01:15:21sounds very catchy songs and um
01:15:25which is not for everybody you know it's
01:15:27not which I understand that at the end
01:15:29of the day I think that there's a lot of
01:15:30people that like my stuff obviously I've
01:15:32grown to a certain point now which is
01:15:34awesome there's also a lot of people
01:15:35that don't like this commercially sound
01:15:37because they just want tear out or they
01:15:39just want quarter notes that's fine but
01:15:41like it's not authentic to me I'm
01:15:43authentic to myself and I think I've
01:15:44grown a really awesome fan base and
01:15:45community that like this type of stuff
01:15:47and the cool thing about my project that
01:15:49I really love is I've grown to a point
01:15:51where now I don't see this with a lot of
01:15:53other artists there's Maybe a small
01:15:55handful but for me I'm really grateful
01:15:57because uh I see comments of people mad
01:16:01and this is a good thing to be mad about
01:16:02in my op because they're like ah [Â __Â ] I
01:16:04was going to go see Ray vulpi at this
01:16:05Festival he's playing at the same time
01:16:07as Alan Walker I can't go see him you
01:16:09never hear that you're not going to hear
01:16:11that with like other Basse names cuz
01:16:13they're like oh man this bass name and
01:16:15this bass name are conf are conflicting
01:16:17they're clashing I can't go see the one
01:16:18I want to see but like I'm getting that
01:16:21I got that with like people have said
01:16:22that about me and like Timmy trumpet and
01:16:23stuff like that so cool that I'm in that
01:16:27mix with these other these mainstream
01:16:29more popular uh artists that don't make
01:16:31Bass music cuz I'm like okay that sets
01:16:33me outside of it and it's a really
01:16:35awesome feeling it's a really validating
01:16:37feeling and it makes me feel like I'm
01:16:39doing something right absolutely manes I
01:16:41agree that's insane it's that's been
01:16:43like one of the coolest things I think
01:16:44for me is like seeing comments like that
01:16:46CU I'm like that's cool that you can
01:16:48listen to both and like have that
01:16:50connection there you know yeah I think
01:16:52um one thing I'm actually curious to ask
01:16:54you now too is is now that you've you've
01:16:56you you've definitely have had a name
01:16:58obviously uh in the scene and now that
01:17:00your name has has gone to a new level
01:17:03from going from somebody that used to
01:17:05get picked on in high school to the
01:17:06point to where you had to leave High
01:17:08School have have any of those people now
01:17:10seen your success and been like yo Ray
01:17:12what's up dude tell me about that yeah I
01:17:15feel like there's like that's okay to
01:17:16talk about I would imagine there's like
01:17:18a pie chart right like there's like a
01:17:20chunk of the pie chart that's like 25%
01:17:23is like just people that are like we're
01:17:24happy for you and then there's
01:17:29like 60% that's like uh yo can you like
01:17:34produce for me I'm like I'm like I just
01:17:38don't even I don't even I don't open
01:17:39this you know I mean I like it's people
01:17:41that just like maybe they rap now or
01:17:42they they they want like a beat I'm like
01:17:45I'm not a rap producer they want that
01:17:47clout yeah I'm like I'm sorry it's not
01:17:49the right I'm just not that guy you I
01:17:51make rap but it's also funny but like
01:17:53it's that and then the rest are just
01:17:55I went to high school with him right you
01:17:57know I mean but that nothing nothing
01:17:59like just neutral you know so there's
01:18:01not like anybody that like maybe was
01:18:03like the biggest dick to you that's like
01:18:04hey man like I'm sorry like can you get
01:18:06me into EDC though
01:18:09likeed no I've had a bully reach out for
01:18:11guest list but there was no there was no
01:18:13apology there he was just like bro
01:18:16you're [Â __Â ] killing it man you get me
01:18:19tickets to a show did that feel
01:18:21validating at all or but did you uh I I
01:18:24don't how I felt I think I laughed more
01:18:25than anything I was like this [Â __Â ]
01:18:27guy that's so funny yeah do you like to
01:18:29DJ more than produce yes you do you like
01:18:34performing now I do okay I think it's
01:18:36because of the pressure with producing
01:18:38that I've started to resent it slightly
01:18:40not resent it but like I just have a lot
01:18:43more pressure making music you know I
01:18:44have a lot of pressure putting that
01:18:46being said I have so much pressure
01:18:47putting the sets you know what it might
01:18:48be equal it's equal pressure for sure on
01:18:51that front because some I'm working on
01:18:53my set until I'm about to walk on stage
01:18:55like I'm not prepared even though I have
01:18:57time code moments in my set for visuals
01:18:59time code for anyone watching um when
01:19:02you see a visual on the screen at a show
01:19:04and there's the lyrics on this and like
01:19:05matches that's time code uh because
01:19:08basically you can link it up where um
01:19:10you can have this I'm trying to think of
01:19:12the most simple way to put this um
01:19:14you're you're you're VJ so we're a DJ
01:19:17disc jockey there's a VJ video jockey
01:19:19they do the same thing with video clips
01:19:22and but you can have it so you can
01:19:23actually they can read the information
01:19:25on our side of what we're playing on our
01:19:27cdjs our decks and uh that can get fed
01:19:30to them and they can see you're playing
01:19:31these songs and you can link a video
01:19:34clip uh to a song and you can have that
01:19:36video clip start playing at a certain
01:19:38point of the song so some people like
01:19:40there's a myths out there where they see
01:19:41the visuals and they go the set's
01:19:43pre-recorded because there's visuals up
01:19:45there that's not the case didn't dead
01:19:47mouse say that dead M you know dead you
01:19:49know he did didn't he yeah he just went
01:19:51out and he was like if you see planned
01:19:53visuals I think he misspoke I think I
01:19:55think he misspoke I think he meant pull
01:19:57that clip up I'm pretty sure he was
01:19:59trying to say that they're pre-planned I
01:20:01think he said pre-recorded okay I think
01:20:03it was a I think he meant I think he
01:20:05meant pre I think he misspoke CU he's
01:20:08he's a very smart guy I don't I don't
01:20:10think I think he knows that you know so
01:20:12I think it was a Miss I know a lot of
01:20:14people went crazy with that but I think
01:20:16I when I watched
01:20:17it cuz I think he would have ranted more
01:20:20he's a Ranter I think he I think he
01:20:22would have ranted more about the
01:20:23pre-recorded as but he didn't which made
01:20:25me think I was like he's just talking
01:20:26about pre-planned which yeah like you
01:20:28you know so we have the visual linked up
01:20:30there was a reason I was talking about
01:20:31that the link on we talking about the
01:20:33time code live time code so like I have
01:20:35time coded moments which means I should
01:20:37my VJ should have like the set in
01:20:38advance to like at least know like like
01:20:41a playlist of songs or no hey I'm going
01:20:43to be playing 10 moments that are time
01:20:44coded visuals and stuff and sometimes
01:20:46the day of the show I'm like I've got an
01:20:48extra one here for you and he's like
01:20:50cool shout out to Isaac uh an incredible
01:20:53VJ that my T VJ I love him he's a great
01:20:56friend but um so like I he like I I I I
01:21:01work so hard on these sets like because
01:21:03the thing for me is I think I turned a
01:21:05lot of people around on my sets recently
01:21:07um because before 2022 I didn't really
01:21:11do any doubles in my sets and I didn't
01:21:12really play that many edits it was just
01:21:13songs and now uh people I've noticed
01:21:17turn around people like I used to not
01:21:18like rayp sets and now I [Â __Â ] love
01:21:21Ray vpy sets and I think it's because I
01:21:23do more doubles and edits like what's a
01:21:25double I don't know what I've never
01:21:26heard that term uh so double is this
01:21:28thing so if you take Frank Sinatra mhm
01:21:31and then you take Britney Spears Britney
01:21:34Spears you put them together MH that's a
01:21:38double and you can actually get a double
01:21:39double at in and out wait so like a mash
01:21:42up but you're saying like no you throw
01:21:43them both up dude throw them both up in
01:21:45the air throw a b up no so uh doubles um
01:21:49it's not a mashup though not a mashup
01:21:50not a mashup so live edits can be kind
01:21:53of mashups I guess depending on them but
01:21:55you're taking two songs and you play the
01:21:57both at the same time so uh the best way
01:22:01to do a double in my opinion the easiest
01:22:03way let's get it is to have your simple
01:22:06generic quarter note dubstep song just
01:22:08your one two three four maybe there's a
01:22:11sustain and then you have another song
01:22:13that has a more interesting Rhythm um
01:22:15you know syncopation something like that
01:22:17going on there because if you have
01:22:18something that has quarter notes or
01:22:19sustains behind it for the other song
01:22:20it's easier to compliment each other you
01:22:22can't do something that's like a Leo
01:22:24trick song that has like a lot going on
01:22:27in like the Rhythm and the flow and
01:22:29another song that's like more Kismet
01:22:32where it's very [Â __Â ] like interesting
01:22:34and unique they're not going to blend so
01:22:36like Death Pit is a great song to double
01:22:39with because it's just
01:22:42boom it's very easy to then on that
01:22:44point throw on like
01:22:46boom on top of that so you just play
01:22:48them at the same time and that's a
01:22:49double drop so you DJs like to do this
01:22:52because I think it just adds more fun to
01:22:54the show yeah and it it it gets up it
01:22:58gets people excited because um we've
01:23:01heard Death Pit a million times so how
01:23:02do you flip it vers vers just make a
01:23:04remix you play Death Pit with um it used
01:23:07to be called shitty long boy by su death
01:23:09but now it's not it's called he he he I
01:23:12think he released it as like shallow
01:23:14land something something with an SLB but
01:23:17that was the ID longy longy he still
01:23:20named it SLB but something different but
01:23:22like that's like that one like
01:23:27so like that's a great song in double
01:23:28with it because then it could go like Bo
01:23:30and then you chop
01:23:31it and then has the from Death Pit so
01:23:34you have both playing at the same time
01:23:37um and you just drop the low end on one
01:23:38of them that way it's not muddy and only
01:23:40one sub is getting pushed out so you
01:23:42have a double drop someone really
01:23:44popular for doing doubles and triples or
01:23:45like subtronics he run so many doubles
01:23:47and triples and in his set so like he
01:23:50does like yeah he he he he does like
01:23:53laser beam beh myth and scream saver oh
01:23:57wow God so it'll be like laser
01:24:02laser and then it goes all together and
01:24:05it's crazy thing is it so stresses me
01:24:07out because like I want my sets to be
01:24:08really good so that's why I'm like oh
01:24:10wait do I like performing more than I
01:24:11like producing because they both stress
01:24:13me out but the thing for me I got a
01:24:16comment recently on Reddit and there was
01:24:17this guy that was like Ray vby does not
01:24:19play sets he's pre-recorded he's not
01:24:22DJing up there he didn't pick up his
01:24:23headphones uh not once not once did I
01:24:27see him okay listen up listen up [Â __Â ]
01:24:30listen up buddy I tried to correct him
01:24:33you did you commented I it back I saw it
01:24:36back I I he was like no I'm not buying
01:24:39it I've been in the scene 30 years then
01:24:41I explained more and he goes all right
01:24:42kid we get it you DJ like at the end of
01:24:44the day I was just giving you criticism
01:24:46I'm like wait I was right though you
01:24:47just got proved wrong I proved you wrong
01:24:49I don't know you didn't mean okay like
01:24:51but anyway uh I don't use headphones a
01:24:53lot of time and the reason for that is
01:24:56because uh on when you're playing two
01:24:58songs you have the headphones on because
01:25:00you're hearing the song that the crowd
01:25:01can't hear right so you hear that song
01:25:04inside your headphones and then you make
01:25:05sure that it's onbeat so when you bring
01:25:07it in everything is on beat and then
01:25:09sync with each other the thing that some
01:25:11people don't know um is that on the cdjs
01:25:14on the top there's a screen it shows you
01:25:15the waveform of the song Above that
01:25:18there's something that I found it's
01:25:19called The Phase meter I didn't know it
01:25:20was called for the longest time and
01:25:21there's two types of ways that the phase
01:25:23meter can look one of them looks like
01:25:24little uh rectangle boxes and it's
01:25:27actually touchcreen if you touch it they
01:25:29turn into lines and when it's lines they
01:25:32both just move with the song and the
01:25:35thing is so if they're like this and
01:25:37it's both songs playing at the same time
01:25:38right they're on top of each other see
01:25:40how these are off if I just move the jog
01:25:42wheel and I'm beat matching with my
01:25:43headphones on you see the lines align
01:25:46and once they're like uh you know
01:25:49parallel to each other or whatever like
01:25:50they're they're on beat and they're
01:25:52above each other the song's on Beat with
01:25:54each other as long as you prepared it in
01:25:56record box beforehand and you made sure
01:25:58it was on grid which is a whole other
01:26:00preparation process for DJs um so with
01:26:03that said you don't need headphones to
01:26:06mix because I can just look at the
01:26:09screen I hit play I know in the track
01:26:10where I need to be and I just make sure
01:26:12the phase meter is lined up the song is
01:26:15going to be on beat when I bring it in
01:26:16everything the CDJ 3000s like literally
01:26:19tell you what song to play next now as
01:26:21far it has mixed and key built inside of
01:26:23it that's crazy I didn't even I even
01:26:25we'll show you downstairs it's awesome
01:26:27that's wild it'll tell you like hey
01:26:28these are all work these are all gonna
01:26:29work with you yeah that's awesome I yeah
01:26:31I think there's just you know also at
01:26:33the end of the day it depends on the
01:26:34show that you're going to some some are
01:26:36more very DJ heavy some people still
01:26:39scratch I think Zeke beat still
01:26:40scratches dude that's so sick James hype
01:26:43is like insane DJ yeah James hyp also
01:26:45pickle yeah performing like doing
01:26:48awesome things with like those extra
01:26:50controllers and stuff that's like more
01:26:51like real deal [Â __Â ] going on there and
01:26:54there's some people that are just
01:26:55chopping which is a whole other art
01:26:56chopping and doing doubles and stuff
01:26:58like that because the whole thing that
01:26:59like I was explaining is you need to use
01:27:00two songs that compliment each other
01:27:02subtronics is really [Â __Â ] good at
01:27:04that I like to take a little bit of
01:27:06pride myself and say I think I'm pretty
01:27:07good at finding doubles myself um Cu uh
01:27:11you want to make sure they they that
01:27:12they compliment each other they they
01:27:13feel good together so then I'm like I
01:27:15love performing I like it a lot I think
01:27:17I like it more than making music but
01:27:19then I'm like it stresses me out just as
01:27:21much cuz producing I get that stress of
01:27:23like wanting to make the best songs cuz
01:27:25now I'm at a point in my career where I
01:27:27don't want to put out any filler right
01:27:31that's that's like a lot of pressure I
01:27:33would imagine it's it's it's really hard
01:27:35like um putting together anything if
01:27:37it's an EP or even just a single it's
01:27:39like I need to make sure that these are
01:27:40all a tracks a level tracks cuz I also
01:27:43have I've experienced that fallof I've
01:27:45experienced that decline I never want to
01:27:48go back to that so it's terrifying and
01:27:49it kind of stunts me and it [Â __Â ] me up
01:27:51from producing sometimes I'm like I
01:27:53don't that makes sense how am I going to
01:27:56work I like I get scared I get really in
01:27:58my own I get imposter syndrome I look at
01:28:00someone um I think you know funny enough
01:28:03like that joking beef I have with
01:28:05company I look up to him a lot um which
01:28:08I've never talked to him about this
01:28:09actually I've really look up to him a
01:28:10lot because he uh he really knows how to
01:28:14grind in terms of being in the studio
01:28:16and I don't know how to do that I I feel
01:28:19like a fraud all the [Â __Â ] time wow I
01:28:22genuinely do I've cried about it like
01:28:24I've cried about it some nights like it
01:28:25gets so bad where I feel like I don't
01:28:29know how to make music because like I
01:28:33like like I like we're going to go we'll
01:28:36sit down when you know make something
01:28:37later a little remix and I'm going to
01:28:38I'm going to pull from instrument racks
01:28:41that I already have that I have saved
01:28:42that I've made of sounds in the past
01:28:44because if I sit down and I have to make
01:28:46something from scratch I'm going to
01:28:47freeze right like like because I I I I
01:28:50can't do it thing is I know how I I my
01:28:53brain like stops me I lose it all it
01:28:56gets really rough for me I get so scared
01:28:59it's really really bad I get major
01:29:01imposter syndrome a lot of people do man
01:29:03a lot especially people listening to I
01:29:05do like it's awesome that you're sharing
01:29:07this absolutely like it's it's just a
01:29:09truth really it's a real thing Man it
01:29:11really is and and it's it's funny
01:29:14because like I think it's we don't
01:29:16realize how much that that holds us back
01:29:18and you were mentioning about therapy
01:29:20and how important like you think it's
01:29:21important for people to go to therapy
01:29:23and try it at least because therapy gets
01:29:26you to retrain your brain to start
01:29:28giving yourself those affirmations of
01:29:30like wait no I am I am supposed to be
01:29:32here I am I did I have done X Y and Z
01:29:36and that is why maybe it's not the
01:29:38traditional route that this person went
01:29:40but the reason why I'm here is because I
01:29:42have accomplished these things and
01:29:44that's what I think therapy sort of sort
01:29:45of teaches you when it when dealing with
01:29:47impostor syndrome and I could just I
01:29:49appreciate you being so candid about it
01:29:50because I can really relate to that a
01:29:52lot personally I know you got your own
01:29:53struggle with it too yeah but it's it's
01:29:56a it's a real thing man and like sitting
01:29:58down being able to talk to another
01:30:00person that a lot of people look up to
01:30:02you know I'm sure it's it's awesome for
01:30:04them to hear that I think it's important
01:30:05to share it you know there's a lot of
01:30:07stuff about that that like I just think
01:30:09goes unsaid and it goes like unseen
01:30:11maybe even in their private lives like
01:30:12I've talked I've talked to my team about
01:30:14it I've talked to my closest friends
01:30:17about it and I think it's important too
01:30:18some people don't like you look at
01:30:19people like you know like aichi we don't
01:30:21know how to the extent of how
01:30:27there might be reports about it here and
01:30:28there but we don't know we weren't there
01:30:29we didn't live it we also don't know him
01:30:30personally we didn't get to know him and
01:30:33then you see how that gets you know
01:30:35pushed over the edge little too far
01:30:37there is a real there's a realness in in
01:30:39saying that like I know like in in our
01:30:41own experience and it sounds like with
01:30:43you is like once you get some either
01:30:45some of the dream or the dream itself
01:30:48now comes in the fear of so there's the
01:30:51fear of not being able to get it and
01:30:53then once you get it then there's the
01:30:54fear of losing it yeah and that's what C
01:30:56sometimes that's what causes people to
01:30:57lose it yeah the fear is enough alone I
01:31:00could fumble this all right because of
01:31:02the fear I [Â __Â ] hope that I don't
01:31:05it's just not guaranteed you know what I
01:31:06mean like some something that like uh I
01:31:10talked about with my team is like like
01:31:13that that that kind of separates you
01:31:14from having like the star Factor yeah
01:31:17right is if you're how you navigate
01:31:18through it I don't think I navigate
01:31:20through it well that's my that's my
01:31:22worry that's my true fear
01:31:24you know what I mean wow but hey you
01:31:26know what I'mma keep on trying my best
01:31:29you keep working bro keep TR keep on
01:31:32trucking I dude that's awesome man yeah
01:31:35I think it's like it's a [Â __Â ] up
01:31:37system where I hate the pressure and I
01:31:38can't work Under Pressure but then like
01:31:40under the pressure the best stuff comes
01:31:42at the same time so it's like there's
01:31:44not a win there it's all just a strug
01:31:48yeah I like shrug you said shrug earlier
01:31:49I like that I I I think I started
01:31:51telling myself uh
01:31:54recently in the last few years of like
01:31:55working with artists that like I might
01:31:57have been like looked up to or like
01:31:59nervous to I started telling myself that
01:32:02I am good Under
01:32:03Pressure not even knowing if that was a
01:32:06true statement or not and I started
01:32:07telling myself that oh no like I yeah
01:32:09cuz I've said it to you yeah I've said
01:32:11it to him I'm like oh yeah you just
01:32:12found out he lied
01:32:14I but but I believe it now I believe it
01:32:17literally like made that yeah yeah cuz
01:32:19like like there is moments where you can
01:32:21all like freeze you know like if you sat
01:32:23down in a room with Skrillex and he's
01:32:25like all right jump on the computer make
01:32:26me some sounds like you're I know for me
01:32:29personally I'm going to be dying inside
01:32:32but if I remind myself that oh no this
01:32:34is this is where I thrive this is where
01:32:35I this is where I live this is where the
01:32:37best things happen and practicing that
01:32:40enough to the point to where you know
01:32:42even if we're doing a show or if we're
01:32:44working with another artist or working
01:32:45with somebody that that is a nobody it's
01:32:47like no this is where I actually come to
01:32:49life this is where I'm at my best it
01:32:51really really helps you uh in being
01:32:53being able to sort of perform at that
01:32:55level I think that makes a lot of sense
01:32:57I'm I don't know if I'm there yet I um
01:33:01like cuz like lie to yourself dude I got
01:33:04cuz like when I'm like when I'm in like
01:33:07I've been in the studio with a couple of
01:33:08producers to like work on our songs like
01:33:09I worked with uh I worked with nightmare
01:33:11in person and I worked with marshmallow
01:33:13in person wow and um and both times I'm
01:33:17so scared cuz and I know both of them I
01:33:20know both of them personally well enough
01:33:21to not be scared like we're we're all
01:33:24like equally friendly you know with each
01:33:26other and joking and bantering but like
01:33:29when it comes to like the idea of like
01:33:30sitting down I like I'll be like I'll
01:33:32I'll make the idea then I then I'll come
01:33:34over you know what I mean like I can't
01:33:36or like you send me the idea you got and
01:33:37I'll work on it and then I'll come over
01:33:39we can find tunit together then cuz I
01:33:40can't sit down it's so much pressure
01:33:44yeah it is it's so much pressure for me
01:33:46like the start song in 10 minutes
01:33:48challenge uhuh yeah not happen uhuh
01:33:51can't do it cuz I'm like I just like I
01:33:53said I lose it all just goes away in my
01:33:54brain so like I have to starty trick I
01:33:56have to start tricking myself somehow
01:33:57just tell yourself like I'm [Â __Â ]
01:34:00r i I did laser beams like that was the
01:34:02biggest [Â __Â ] song of 2022 like dude
01:34:04like do this yeah you're a sick producer
01:34:07thank you I think you're a sick producer
01:34:09I apprciate yeah thank I think I'm a
01:34:10sick producer you know what I mean I
01:34:12think you guys are pretty sick producers
01:34:14like it's literally like okay like I
01:34:16think that I recently uh I I we we got
01:34:20in a a session with uh Ricky
01:34:22nitty-gritty we were like guitar with
01:34:24him and I am not a good guitar player
01:34:26like at all and but I'm like I I can
01:34:28write cool stuff and I was like sitting
01:34:30there and we're just like Jing around
01:34:32and the first thing I did was was like
01:34:34something stupid he's like that's fire
01:34:36and I'm like all right cool like it's
01:34:37like literally like it's that it's like
01:34:39most of the ideas that we think are
01:34:41terrible like most people don't think
01:34:43that most people think that they're
01:34:44actually really good ideas and sometimes
01:34:46trusting that sort of I'm I'm starting
01:34:48to get into doing some sessions more
01:34:50it's something brand new to me like I
01:34:51got in the studio recently with my
01:34:53friend um and when I was working with
01:34:56her I was like oh this is like I I get I
01:35:00get it now like she's a great singer
01:35:02great top ler great vocalist uh
01:35:04songwriter and like we were coming up
01:35:06with ideas back and forth on a song and
01:35:08I was like this is actually really
01:35:10helpful to like be with someone that
01:35:12like like I can like B Bounce It Off Of
01:35:15You know when it comes to that cuz like
01:35:16I struggle um with that and I was like
01:35:18oh that was really cool and I think like
01:35:21uh when I was working both with
01:35:22Nightmare and Melo like I I noticed that
01:35:25having that like bounce off from them
01:35:28was really cool because I was like oh
01:35:30like I should do this more like I like
01:35:33you know I should you know just get in
01:35:34the studio and just like let's do this
01:35:36together more you know but I get so
01:35:37scared at at the idea but then when I'm
01:35:39in there it's fine yeah you know it is
01:35:41scary I mean marshmallow doesn't get
01:35:42scared cuz he's got his helmet on so he
01:35:45you can't see that he's scared yeah you
01:35:46just can't see it yeah quick break from
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01:36:20and let's get you back into the episode
01:36:22so we do uh we do a thing called
01:36:24baseball or what we we came up with a
01:36:26new word for it what was I calling it
01:36:29fast
01:36:33fastball oh
01:36:36man um all right so I'm just gonna say a
01:36:39word and you're going to tell me what
01:36:40the favorite thing is about that word
01:36:42okay or the favorite the first thing
01:36:43that comes to your mind or or the your
01:36:45favorite one word try to be one word
01:36:46answer again um favorite Reverb Ableton
01:36:51stock oh favorite stock Ableton plugin
01:36:54otot oh it's not plug yeah multiband
01:36:57that's fair uh favorite compressor the
01:37:00stock Ableton dude this is this is
01:37:03awesome I use a lot of stock more than
01:37:04the glue I don't even use the glue at
01:37:06all just the stock
01:37:08aor um actually you know what I'll tell
01:37:10you right now I don't even use the
01:37:11compressor I never i' I think I touch it
01:37:14never you know what I I produce very
01:37:16unconventionally this is you want to
01:37:17finish this and we can go or this is the
01:37:20whole point of it is to have these
01:37:21things happen so like you know people
01:37:23will just you know maybe they want to
01:37:24compress vocals get them louder or
01:37:25whatever I don't do any of that I have a
01:37:28rack that I use on everything and it is
01:37:30a reduce Ambience to get rid of our gate
01:37:33right I'll tune it with uh either
01:37:35melodine real uh real time tune or
01:37:37autotune from anas whatever it is yeah
01:37:40um some I use nectar uh from isotope as
01:37:43like a vocal processor as well there
01:37:45might be a little bit of built-in
01:37:46compression on there but I don't touch
01:37:47it otherwise but um I use that for like
01:37:50adding like little under Harmony like
01:37:52kind of vocal layers and I use reduce
01:37:54Ambience um which I think comes from the
01:37:56multiband Dynamics and then I use Ott
01:38:00which I mess with the time and I drop
01:38:02the lowend output and I have camel
01:38:04Crusher on top of everything set the
01:38:06British clean and that is the wreck
01:38:08that's the sauce that is I don't I like
01:38:11that's comp there's compression because
01:38:12it's multi bin you know but I don't I
01:38:14don't use compressors otherwise I don't
01:38:16ever throw them on every now and then
01:38:18I'll use gain reduction from Joey
01:38:21Sturgis which is a great I think it's
01:38:23gain reduction we're just talking
01:38:27FAL but since it's that's the same
01:38:29[Â __Â ] rack the OT camel Crusher with
01:38:32the reduce Ambience there I might add
01:38:33some stuff before it like a VR crunch or
01:38:36um I'll add a uh overdrive or I'll add
01:38:38some saturation or something but I'm 90%
01:38:41stock simple that's really cool love it
01:38:44yeah what's your favorite soft synth uh
01:38:47like is in digital synth is that yeah
01:38:49like a syn VST got got you it's hard
01:38:51synth analog then yep good
01:38:54um soft syn I would say serum's like
01:38:56obviously the go-to that's like I'll
01:38:58just say serum but if we're going to
01:38:59take that out uh VPS Avenger underrated
01:39:02oh yeah the Vengeance thing that's yeah
01:39:05it's a rler right it's almost like an
01:39:07it's almost like a Nexus too right it's
01:39:09very much like a Nexus uh like a Spire
01:39:12it's very much in that same vein yeah I
01:39:14uh Russ you know Avenger it's made by
01:39:16arfx made same people that make right
01:39:19there's like Dune Avenger and NEX
01:39:22Gladiator I think Gladiator yeah I want
01:39:24to I really want to get into using it
01:39:26it's supposed to be really really cool I
01:39:27love it I found out about it through
01:39:28nightmare a lot of really cool bells in
01:39:30there uh there's a hidden game in there
01:39:32weirdly really like a little weird
01:39:34arcade game like apit but a lot of
01:39:36really good pianos in there to get that
01:39:37like super highend compressed Porter
01:39:40Robinson piano from like Lang and stuff
01:39:42there's a really good one in there um
01:39:44you buy the packs too right don't you
01:39:46have buy yeah you can buy external packs
01:39:48I think I just use the default on um
01:39:50that right now and I just will tweak
01:39:52settings inside of there I'll week like
01:39:54cuz there's like certain automations on
01:39:55a lot of the PLU and stuff that you can
01:39:57mess with and um like modulators and
01:39:59it's really cool oh that's cool we got
01:40:00to we got to get that yeah I I feel like
01:40:02it's time it's like it's like 600 bucks
01:40:04or something crazy right actually don't
01:40:06no that's omnisphere okay omnisphere is
01:40:07like 600 bucks I think might be like I
01:40:09think it's like 200 or
01:40:11something it's the expansion packs yeah
01:40:14that's why it's 200 bucks cuz you buy
01:40:16all the packs do you if you don't mind
01:40:17do you do you do you use Nexus too or
01:40:19like are you big into using that at all
01:40:21or big on Nexus back in day now it's
01:40:24omnisphere spire and Avenger that's the
01:40:27main Nexus replacement for me I think
01:40:29it's enough that being said I probably
01:40:31will get Nexus a lot of synths I jump
01:40:34into those plugins and then for bases I
01:40:36just do every single thing inside of
01:40:38serum I uh in s plant 2 um I'll like
01:40:41resample something and then I will uh go
01:40:44into like the oscillator effects in
01:40:46there and just change up that entirely
01:40:47and get these crazy new sounds which has
01:40:49been a lot of fun but um uh I don't I I
01:40:53don't I I for everything basee I don't
01:40:55touch like vital or uh Reaper or these
01:40:57other ones B Plant um s plant though
01:41:00yeah yeah so then you're are you using
01:41:03spire and uh Avenger are you using that
01:41:06mostly for like your brakes and stuff
01:41:07like that to get like Lush pads and [Â __Â ]
01:41:09pads uh pluck lead synths stuff like
01:41:12that um I use a lot of those on the on
01:41:14there is that what you used for laser
01:41:16beams the intro that that nice 880s like
01:41:19yes I believe laser beam might be that
01:41:23intro might be spire and if it's not
01:41:25then it is Avenger I don't know if I was
01:41:26using Avenger at that point though um
01:41:29but it's it's really sick um you get
01:41:32some really cool like really cool little
01:41:35pad PLU combos in there like that intro
01:41:37with that AR that
01:41:39little yeah you know stuff like that but
01:41:41I also what I like to do a lot too is I
01:41:43love sampling uh flutes and vocals um
01:41:46like the like
01:41:48that that's all that's a flute that I
01:41:51just distorted like crazy with little Al
01:41:53boy I actually put little alra boy on
01:41:55synths oh that's a fun idea I I drive it
01:41:58I use their buil-in
01:42:00drive and I drop forance on like a lead
01:42:03syn and you get these really interesting
01:42:05results I really like PCH it up an extra
01:42:07octave before you do it sometimes I just
01:42:10[Â __Â ] around I see what's going on there
01:42:11cuz the thing is I like to use plugins
01:42:13unconventionally cuz I think I produce
01:42:14unconventionally like I said I don't use
01:42:16compressors like for General compressor
01:42:17I use OT on the vocal and like that's
01:42:19good you know what I mean like my master
01:42:22is like awkward like I do things very
01:42:24differently I think uh
01:42:26because I like to think about things
01:42:29like there's so many different ways to
01:42:32get to the same destination and I think
01:42:34that uh a lot of people tell you this is
01:42:35the certain way to do it but it's not
01:42:37there's other ways to so I like to
01:42:39produce my own weird way which is like
01:42:41you know I open up serum and I [Â __Â ]
01:42:44load up a sound that I made three years
01:42:46ago I that I take that and then I
01:42:49completely revamp it cuz there's a base
01:42:52there for me where I feel most
01:42:53comfortable okay that makes sense so I
01:42:56have like um so basically and I think
01:42:59doing that actually helped me create a
01:43:00signature sound which is interesting
01:43:02because now they all have the same Bas
01:43:04so creating a signature sound for me I
01:43:06thought it kind of came to me easier
01:43:08because uh I I made some sounds that I
01:43:10really loved and over time as I got more
01:43:13pressure and I felt like I can't like
01:43:14create something from scratch right now
01:43:16I would take the sounds that I had made
01:43:18and then I would open that instrument
01:43:20rack up in Ableton and open that that
01:43:21serum patch that I made and I would
01:43:23revamp it into a completely new sound
01:43:25that doesn't sound anything like it but
01:43:27the thing is is because it had that
01:43:28starting point of that other spot they
01:43:30compliment each other because maybe they
01:43:32have both have a Reverb filter on it or
01:43:34they have they both have similar Pro
01:43:36postprocessing so because of that now
01:43:38these two sounds that don't sound alike
01:43:40they work together right you know and
01:43:42it's like that's interesting how does
01:43:44that work it's like just it's like
01:43:45having that base there really helped so
01:43:48um now it's helped me create a signature
01:43:50sound where like all of my sounds are
01:43:52spin-offs and offsprings of my former
01:43:54other sounds that's how all of my
01:43:57patches work so like for me what
01:43:58happened was and I think I started this
01:44:00process in
01:44:022017 or so um because I had a hard I had
01:44:06a hard drive failure I lost everything
01:44:10no I lost everything so when I did I had
01:44:11to restart from scratch so I started
01:44:13making I made like 30 sounds from
01:44:15scratch and then I was like I'm so
01:44:18overwhelmed I'm going to just take these
01:44:20sounds that I made and just take go into
01:44:23that patch and revamp it that's kind of
01:44:25smart though that's a that's an
01:44:26interesting I don't think that that's I
01:44:28think that's actually pretty strategic
01:44:29yeah I've never heard anybody else do
01:44:31that because now it's like I want to
01:44:32make something that sounds like this so
01:44:33I find one of my sounds that I have that
01:44:36I've made in the past that sounds as
01:44:37close to that as I can and then I go
01:44:40from there to get it to where I need it
01:44:41to be and then I save that sound I have
01:44:43a new sound and then my my my preset
01:44:46personal Library Grows Right quickly
01:44:48because now I just like you know I have
01:44:51I think like I had like uh like a growl
01:44:54turn into like a like a gun base because
01:44:56it's like it's just doing stuff like
01:44:58that you know right yeah that's funny
01:45:00because I think of you as like like one
01:45:02of the better sound designers actually
01:45:04so it's it's interesting to to hear that
01:45:06your process is yes you started
01:45:08something from scratch and I have
01:45:10personally you had just asked him what
01:45:11your thought is on like presets versus
01:45:13not using presets yeah yeah yeah um but
01:45:15I would have had no idea that you're
01:45:17that unconventional in a sense of
01:45:18starting from like a scratch a sort of
01:45:21uh starting from scratch but not
01:45:22starting from scratch I start from
01:45:24you're a sound designer like I know you
01:45:25for your sounds yeah I I I I'm very
01:45:28proud of the sounds that I've made and I
01:45:30think that it's all because of the fact
01:45:32that I I I like take advantage of myself
01:45:36weirdly like I like I I'm like let me
01:45:38take advantage of this situation not in
01:45:39that way just like the way of like me
01:45:41let me like you know use what I've made
01:45:44to my advantage and now try to create
01:45:47something new out of it so I go in I
01:45:49open up you know like I I'll I lab by
01:45:53date now so it's like April April wet 6
01:45:56you know what I mean nice I open that up
01:45:59and it's this like sound I'm like cool
01:46:01now I change three filters I go and
01:46:03change these oscillators and I'm like
01:46:05okay this is almost a drastically
01:46:06different sound I go add Corpus to it
01:46:09yeah it's completely different now
01:46:11suddenly um and then it's like cool now
01:46:13it's not even a wet it's now it's like a
01:46:15[Â __Â ] the Corpus made it sound like a
01:46:16gun so I'm like Okay cool so then I take
01:46:18it add the
01:46:19LFO now it's a gun base something
01:46:22different and I think think that it
01:46:23really helps me um it helps it's kind of
01:46:26like a a productivity hack if anything
01:46:28it's kind of like a a quickness thing a
01:46:30convenience thing because now it's like
01:46:32I have the convenience of being able to
01:46:34get somewhere a bit quicker if I have
01:46:36somewhat of an idea because then I can
01:46:37get base down like a Bas line not base
01:46:39as in a music base just like I have like
01:46:41a I can have a foundation here um I
01:46:44started an idea recently and I was like
01:46:45I need this thing here so I like threw
01:46:47the closest thing I could on from my own
01:46:48library and I changed a couple things
01:46:50I'm like oh this is great and then I was
01:46:51like oh this is not what I was looking
01:46:52for but this is a sick sound so I save
01:46:54it for later you know stuff like that um
01:46:56so I don't have like sound design
01:46:58sessions I do it all while I'm working
01:47:00on a song oh that's interesting I only
01:47:02work I work on music when I'm working on
01:47:05songs so when I work on a song I I
01:47:08usually like I'll have an idea and then
01:47:10I will just open up a couple sounds I
01:47:13think are fitting in my head of that
01:47:14idea and then try to lay out a flow for
01:47:16that and then go from there and then add
01:47:18the drums or whatever I can when you're
01:47:20working with you know nightmare or or
01:47:23marshmallow like and you're saying you
01:47:25have an unconventional way of producing
01:47:27when you're in the session with them has
01:47:28that caused any any sort of uh halts in
01:47:31the production or has it been like I
01:47:33think they're usually like dude that's
01:47:34sick I think they're like I think it's
01:47:36just like you're just saying with just
01:47:37the way you're saying you're
01:47:38unconventional in the way a sense of
01:47:39like you use different sort of style
01:47:41racks and you're using mostly old sounds
01:47:43you mean that in the sense of yeah that
01:47:45and like um like I mix as I go I don't
01:47:49have a preaster like some people have
01:47:51like a pre-master and they go and send
01:47:52that yeah to mastering I don't do that I
01:47:54produce my master on from the beginning
01:47:56when I open a new project the master is
01:47:58on the template it's on all I do is at
01:48:00the end I Bush I push the gain up as
01:48:03much as I can on my limiter until it's
01:48:05about to clip that's all I do so and I I
01:48:09produce like my kick sits at [Â __Â ]
01:48:11five DB over zero sometimes because
01:48:14sometimes it's fine I think it sounds
01:48:15good yeah
01:48:17it's people like to be like you cannot
01:48:21red line I think you could Red Line you
01:48:23just shouldn't clip like audibly clip
01:48:25yeah that's that's the thing you
01:48:27can and so also I would also argue in
01:48:30some cases with dubstep you can audibly
01:48:32clip because it might be the vibe but I
01:48:33I don't but or I don't think I do but
01:48:36like you know if you're in the red but
01:48:38it sounds fine then you're fine that's
01:48:40kind of how I like to see it in my
01:48:42opinion some people might really
01:48:44disagree with that I feel like you guys
01:48:46probably could even disagree that cuz
01:48:47you guys are very uh I feel like
01:48:50technical uh compared to me funny
01:48:53our big saying is red is just a color
01:48:56man it is just a [Â __Â ] color so but I
01:48:58am curious though when you work with
01:49:00like nightmare right so when I think of
01:49:01like of Tyler uh at least from my what
01:49:04I've listened to him he's he's he's very
01:49:06good at mixing and and he's it seems
01:49:08like I I have never worked with him but
01:49:10it seems like he might be a little bit
01:49:11more traditional style in the sense of
01:49:13like okay I need to make sure
01:49:14everything's minus six or marshmallow so
01:49:16like how do you deal with that when
01:49:17you're that's where I'm also
01:49:19unconventional in that aspect because
01:49:21like you know there a lot of producers
01:49:23like them they're like all right this
01:49:25Bas I uh took out like at the 300 htz I
01:49:29like dipped I took out a little thing
01:49:30there and I'm like I don't even know
01:49:31what you're saying yeah I like I I know
01:49:34what I'm doing in the Daw yeah but I
01:49:36also am just [Â __Â ] around most of the
01:49:38time you know what I mean and it's hard
01:49:39to explain sometimes where like um all I
01:49:42do is I have all my bases for my drop I
01:49:45put that in a group I throw the eq8 cut
01:49:48it off at 100 maybe 110 a hard cut
01:49:51that's the only EQ on there I don't cut
01:49:54a little bit out of uh like this sound
01:49:57here and this sound here if I need to
01:49:59add if I need to cut out extra low end
01:50:00from a certain sound because sometimes
01:50:02it's still coming through that I'll do
01:50:03that but you're not seeing me really cut
01:50:05certain frequencies out of sounds um
01:50:07because maybe it's also a little too
01:50:08harsh in this area because I feel that
01:50:10there's a common problem that people
01:50:12might run into which is that they over
01:50:14mix and I hear songs where there are
01:50:17holes now and like the upper mids are
01:50:20empty because they're over eqing and
01:50:23they're like I had to take you know they
01:50:25to notch on the 900 HZ I had to cut this
01:50:27spot here and I'm like I avoid all that
01:50:30maybe my [Â __Â ] sounds too [Â __Â ] not
01:50:32Dynamic enough but that's fine it's a
01:50:33sound preference you know I I go for a
01:50:35certain sound um because I go for this
01:50:39like hit a wall sound versus something
01:50:41that's extremely clean um because
01:50:44sometimes the extremely clean sound
01:50:45mixes they're like there's holes in the
01:50:47mix like you don't feel certain parts
01:50:49they're not I agree some some songs are
01:50:51too are really well produced with great
01:50:53sound design and they dubstep but they
01:50:55don't hit live cuz they're not punching
01:50:57hard they're not they're not dirty
01:50:58enough they the mixes aren't they need
01:51:00to kind of be a little rough in my
01:51:01opinion for dubstep house different
01:51:04story you know what I mean but for Bas
01:51:06music I think it's got got rough it up
01:51:08the edges a bit Yeah you start seeing
01:51:09too like especially with like virtual
01:51:11Riot like that virtual Riot dip and the
01:51:12low mids that he always does you know
01:51:14what I'm talking about it's in his
01:51:15master and then everybody's using a fat
01:51:17rack on everything which isn't
01:51:18necessarily a bad thing but it's like it
01:51:20ends up just becoming it it's not always
01:51:22going to work the same way that he's
01:51:24doing it you know and for somebody like
01:51:26you you're at a professional level
01:51:28regardless of of of what anybody else
01:51:31thinks like you're you're producing at a
01:51:33professional level you've been able to
01:51:34put stuff out that's loud enough and
01:51:36that sounds good in the club and that's
01:51:37all that matters you know what I mean
01:51:39like than yeah but I mean that's that's
01:51:40like a real thing it's it's because I I
01:51:42think I I think about that too I'm like
01:51:44well I don't really know if I like
01:51:45really know how to master like I think I
01:51:48do but like I I just like put it on and
01:51:51I I put the same teach us how to master
01:51:53right dude everyone everyone's got
01:51:55different things I think back often to
01:51:58uh this memory of dirt monkey when he I
01:52:01told him what I do on my masters cuz he
01:52:03told me he had he's like I have about
01:52:05like 17 things on my rack or something
01:52:07he's what he told me he's got all these
01:52:08plugins these like all these extra
01:52:10things and I was like okay uh I have a a
01:52:15utility that I do the DC offset and then
01:52:18I do 10 to 15% Ott mhm I do OT on the
01:52:23master okay 10 to 15% it's not a lot not
01:52:27that much also maybe this is crazy and
01:52:29maybe it's Placebo maybe it's not real
01:52:31on my utility before the Ott I dropped
01:52:33the deciel on the gain about ne7
01:52:35negative 8 because I noticed that if I
01:52:38don't do that and I have the the Ott at
01:52:4010 to 15% I feel like it feels like it's
01:52:43more like 30% on the OT it feels like
01:52:45it's gluing more so then I put the OT
01:52:47output at like 10 so I offset that
01:52:48basically okay after that I do uh an EQ
01:52:52eight I learned this from virtual right
01:52:53actually um and I do the midside cut at
01:52:56about I cut the side at uh 200 HZ or so
01:52:59um I do that a a regular low cut not the
01:53:01hard cut and then I add ozone imager and
01:53:05I basically create um an like a like a
01:53:07cellular bar um the first bar under 100
01:53:11htz I just completely have all the way
01:53:12down because you don't need the width
01:53:13there at all on the imager because your
01:53:15low end should be mono and then uh but
01:53:18from there it's like a cellular bar just
01:53:19goes up up up up up cuz I like bright
01:53:21tracks mixer I get that from my love for
01:53:24skrillix who has very very bright mixes
01:53:27so and then I do a very hard cut little
01:53:30roll off at the top at like 18,000
01:53:3219,000 oh you're one of those yeah
01:53:35interesting I throw that on there and
01:53:37then I use Fab filter Pro um I use Pro
01:53:41um not L2 not L2 Pro there is a
01:53:44difference 100% by default when you
01:53:47throw that [Â __Â ] on there team pro I like
01:53:50Pro too but I like Pro better it's fair
01:53:53um I respect that I respect that uh I
01:53:56take that I set it to from I think
01:53:58Dynamic to Punchy or something uh one of
01:54:00the two yeah and then uh I just take the
01:54:03gain by default on every project that
01:54:05Masters on it set to seven on the gain
01:54:07and then uh when I'm producing a drop I
01:54:09can get it to maybe 12 and that's where
01:54:11I'm at my gain reduction looks
01:54:13ridiculous and then producers will look
01:54:14at me like how is this happening and I
01:54:17go I don't know but and you can't hear
01:54:19it is what you're saying you're saying
01:54:20you're pulling your limiter that much
01:54:22and not able to hear it that's the thing
01:54:24you don't want to hear the limiter you
01:54:25just wanted to make it loud right yeah I
01:54:26just want to make it loud and it it
01:54:27works out and I think that that's my
01:54:29master you know I that's all I do and I
01:54:31um that's mostly stock just it's like a
01:54:34lot of stock stuff with the uh imager
01:54:36and then the limiter um but that's it
01:54:39and the um the limiter you can replace
01:54:41with any limiter I think I used to use a
01:54:43for a long time but I stopped the
01:54:44invisible limiter I stopped after a
01:54:46while um but then like then there's
01:54:48songs like uh like song request where I
01:54:51tried to get a little cleaner you know
01:54:53what I mean because uh that song it
01:54:55being bass house and not being for the
01:54:57bass audience necessarily I was like
01:54:59let's get that a little cleaner so I
01:55:00focus a little bit more on like making
01:55:02sure that like my side chain was like
01:55:03really clean because I get really when I
01:55:05get really I I produce very quickly when
01:55:07I'm inspired I'll make songs fast when I
01:55:09have the idea so I might get a little
01:55:11careless about it um and so I was making
01:55:14sure that my like side chain is not like
01:55:15bow tyeing or anything like that um and
01:55:19uh trying to make sure that things like
01:55:20really sound good in the mix I think
01:55:22that song request sounds really good on
01:55:24like aound how do you side genen I use I
01:55:27do volume automation I do volume shaper
01:55:29okay yeah use volume shape you said
01:55:31volume automation so you tricked me
01:55:32there so you're talking about utility or
01:55:34using volume shaper shap volume shaper
01:55:35sorry yes shaper box I use that on a
01:55:37send I have um I just have it sent I
01:55:40just replace my Reverb And Delay because
01:55:42I don't use sends and busts otherwise I
01:55:44just I just use that um oh so you're a
01:55:46and b so one of them is your yeah so I
01:55:49got rid of B entirely a is just side
01:55:52chain it's just interesting and what I
01:55:54do is so if I have my base group instead
01:55:56of it set to the master it gets sent to
01:55:57that send drop that all the way up and
01:56:00cool on the top of my entire project I
01:56:02have a midi file uh midi Channel and
01:56:04it's called trigger and it's just a
01:56:07white midi that's turned off really you
01:56:09can't even hear anything nothing on it
01:56:11and it's just midi uh signaling that for
01:56:13it's a ghost trigger and that sends to
01:56:15the send and basically anything that get
01:56:17sent to the send is side chained so for
01:56:18you uh I think this is also an
01:56:20interesting question for people at home
01:56:22they I want to know uh is at what point
01:56:24are you satisfied with the loudness like
01:56:26what are you what are you because you're
01:56:28pulling up your limiter quite a bit Yeah
01:56:30so like what are you shooting for as far
01:56:31as your tracks as far as it's got to be
01:56:33at least this loud otherwise I got to go
01:56:35back in and [Â __Â ] bang my head against
01:56:36the wall I'm an RMS guy not a L's guy
01:56:38should probably switch okay it's just
01:56:40the way I learned I guess um so like ne4
01:56:43RMS is the go I don't know what that
01:56:44would translate to in LS I think that's
01:56:47close to minus 6 I'm not sure Ken Jamie
01:56:51look it up
01:56:53yeah I'm not sure but I I just try to
01:56:55get it as loud as everything else that
01:56:57I've been putting out or as other songs
01:56:59around me and even if it's not as loud
01:57:02just ever so slightly then it's okay
01:57:04because you can just turn it up um okay
01:57:05so what is your favorite
01:57:08collab oh [Â __Â ]
01:57:11um that's a great question I would say
01:57:15right now it's probably the the crank
01:57:17that one that's been on release that
01:57:19we're playing out I love that sick nice
01:57:22um
01:57:22and who is your dream collab probably
01:57:26squir I think that's just the obvious
01:57:27answer yeah hell yeah him or or like if
01:57:30we're going to talk like take them out
01:57:31cuz everyone says squir it's like olium
01:57:34probably oh I'd love to see that DM
01:57:38Bring Me The Horizon nice [Â __Â ] yeah dude
01:57:41those are my answers um FM from A or
01:57:44B from from a FM from a FM from a okay
01:57:49no what yeah all my YouTube all my
01:57:51breakdowns you'll see I do FM for May
01:57:53that's so cool that's my that's one of
01:57:55my favorite questions that you have
01:57:57really it's it's a type of person thing
01:57:59it definitely is it it totally is um so
01:58:02random and then um audio or midi for
01:58:06your
01:58:07drums uh I do only audio I don't do any
01:58:09midi for drums at all only midi for
01:58:12synths and such I don't even like
01:58:14interesting I don't even like if I'm
01:58:16resampling stuff uh with audio at all I
01:58:18don't throw it into like a midi like a
01:58:20sampler or anything like that what is is
01:58:22a what is a a plugin that you use that
01:58:26we might not know about do you guys ever
01:58:29use the OG old
01:58:31effectrix [Â __Â ] yeah I wish that's one
01:58:33that I I want to use it but I don't
01:58:35think do you have to use it in Rosetta I
01:58:37use it in Rosetta yeah I I wanted to to
01:58:40purchase it again but it didn't work on
01:58:41the M2 yeah so yes like I
01:58:44would we have a we have a cereal we do
01:58:47yeah you guys have access I use the [Â __Â ]
01:58:50out of eectric a lot oh here's here's
01:58:53one it's free I believe uh Auburn Sounds
01:58:57inner pitch o what's that so this is a
01:59:00plugin that you basically can just
01:59:03control pitch and transpose and stuff
01:59:05but you can go higher than 24 um
01:59:07semitones and I love it very much
01:59:10because it distorts the sound a bit
01:59:12because I have the free version and I
01:59:14like that cuz you don't have control
01:59:15over like um like the Forint or anything
01:59:19like that so where you can like actually
01:59:20maybe make it sound like it's not
01:59:23degrading the
01:59:24quality it's a really cool one I like
01:59:26this one a lot uh shout out to them
01:59:28sponsor me sponsor for fre please don't
01:59:32don't so you use that a lot in like
01:59:33doing like just like pitches on your
01:59:34leads and bases and [Â __Â ] like instead of
01:59:36just using instead of do res instead of
01:59:38using uh like just taking an audio clip
01:59:40and transposing it or even um doing a
01:59:43midi clip automation now I'll use that
01:59:45instead because I just love it sounds a
01:59:46little different it just sounds a little
01:59:48different and I think that stuff sets
01:59:49things apart when you add all these cuz
01:59:51when you when you do something that's a
01:59:52little bit different yeah and you do
01:59:53something else that's a little bit
01:59:54different that adds up and it starts to
01:59:56make a bigger Splash over time so that's
01:59:58something that I really like to do with
01:59:59my songs um that's least that's a nice
02:00:02little nug right there yeah that's
02:00:04awesome you could see uh I'll I'll
02:00:07actually show you guys to like this is
02:00:10my instrument rack Library here of just
02:00:14all the sounds I've ever made basically
02:00:17um and that's where I'll go in then and
02:00:19I just go and I open up and as a massive
02:00:22sound of something I made and I can go
02:00:23in I can just change everything and now
02:00:25I have a new sound from there yeah
02:00:26wouldn't it be great if if Ableton
02:00:28allowed you to to throw in an actual one
02:00:31shot of the rack to to hear the demo of
02:00:33how it sounds I really have been wanting
02:00:35that like how like just like on splice
02:00:37you can scroll through samples or there
02:00:39or like in the Ableton browser you can
02:00:40do that with audio you should be able to
02:00:42totally do that with your racks I think
02:00:43it be so useful just quick it could be
02:00:45like three octaves so cuz you know some
02:00:48I never make my sounds um all from the
02:00:51same octave start so like if I open one
02:00:53sound I have to I bring it down an OCT
02:00:55CU it's like and the next one's like and
02:00:57it's like this is not working out here C
02:01:00like I never pay attention that at all
02:01:02so we have to pay don't yeah when you're
02:01:05doing the giveaways and stuff everything
02:01:06need to be everything has to be the same
02:01:07yeah yeah I had to do that with my with
02:01:09my with patreon I'm like these all will
02:01:11be good whatever note you play you're
02:01:13good how long how long have you had your
02:01:14patreon for so I did it for about a year
02:01:16and a half from 2021 through the end of
02:01:182022 or beginning of 2021 to the end of
02:01:212022 and uh so maybe it's like a year
02:01:23little I started no I started in 2020 I
02:01:24believe but I stopped at the end of 2022
02:01:26due to the touring it became all too
02:01:28much for me with time management
02:01:29everyone was very understanding but it's
02:01:31something that we're uh bringing back
02:01:32now by the time this airs it might be
02:01:34back go check out his patreon and ours
02:01:37it's coming check them check them both
02:01:39out but um we'll put them both into yeah
02:01:41you know they're both going to be in
02:01:42there and you have to do both cuz we
02:01:44said so you have to but um It's cool cuz
02:01:47I really wanted I I missed giving back
02:01:48to the community and giving back and
02:01:50showing how I made songs cuz I do think
02:01:53that weird way that I produce where my
02:01:54kick is plus five over and um you know I
02:01:59like use a bunch of stock Reverb or and
02:02:01stuff like that I've noticed throughout
02:02:02doing these breakdowns a lot of people
02:02:05have said to me that they appreciate my
02:02:08weird approach on these things because
02:02:11they they're so used to having this like
02:02:14super technical approach which is also
02:02:16useful I think like take what I say with
02:02:18a grain of salt take what anyone says
02:02:20with a grain of salt and find own way so
02:02:23I think just absorbing all that
02:02:24information and then finding the best
02:02:26way that's good for you that might be a
02:02:28combination of some stuff that you know
02:02:29maybe the excellent guys taught you
02:02:31maybe some stuff that I taught you know
02:02:33or that Crank that teaches or whoever
02:02:35else is like doing you know these
02:02:36sessions and lessons and production
02:02:38courses and stuff like um I think
02:02:41finding that middle ground of the things
02:02:42that you like so I I I found it really
02:02:44amazing to to get that feedback of like
02:02:47oh this helped me realize I could do
02:02:48things this way and like that's awesome
02:02:50and um just being able to also uh get to
02:02:54like talk to the producer Community more
02:02:55because at shows I get a lot of
02:02:57producers that come up to me that miss
02:02:58the patreon and they're like yo like we
02:03:01like I was like on your patreon or like
02:03:03I like see your disciple breakdowns from
02:03:04back in the day and all this stuff and
02:03:06like they're like I like man I wish it
02:03:08was back and like I can't talk to them
02:03:09too long at the shows because I try to
02:03:11say hi at the end of every show to every
02:03:12fan I try to stay till the very end so
02:03:14security gets really pissed I'm like try
02:03:16to say and talk to everyone so like
02:03:18they'll have a big production question I
02:03:20can't get into it too deeply and I have
02:03:21to like it up and I feel bad so now at
02:03:23least bringing it back I can do that
02:03:25more you know so I drop it like I just
02:03:27do video production breakdowns and
02:03:28Sample packs and stuff like that on the
02:03:30channel it's really cool man I'm so glad
02:03:32to see like you just especially because
02:03:35I I believe the way that I I don't
02:03:37remember if I found out about you
02:03:39through the whole like the whole because
02:03:41were you on bore for a minute did you do
02:03:42some by stuff or if it was I I think it
02:03:45was YouTube mainly is is where I first
02:03:48started hearing about you and I think
02:03:50for like guys like you
02:03:52uh virtual Riot company you know there's
02:03:55a lot of people that have started
02:03:57cranked at too in his sort of sense in
02:03:59his Tik Tok like that's where I found
02:04:00out about him uh is it woolly or wook I
02:04:02always get a mixed W probably it's like
02:04:05producers that are coming from this sort
02:04:07of like YouTube sort of scene I'm not
02:04:08saying that that's where you came from
02:04:10but you made a mark in that sort of
02:04:12speak and I think it's really cool to
02:04:13see uh to to for people to see that like
02:04:16hey this isn't necessarily like the more
02:04:18like traditional route of like sending
02:04:20[Â __Â ] to blogs right is now now becoming
02:04:22kind of more normalized in the sense of
02:04:23like showing showing people and then
02:04:25like building building your community
02:04:28out of the producer Community too I mean
02:04:30that's that's what it's been for us you
02:04:31know what I mean and uh it's just really
02:04:34cool to see that you're able to to to
02:04:36give back and think about that you know
02:04:38what I mean because that's something we
02:04:39think about a lot I appreciate that I I
02:04:41love it I think it's really important to
02:04:42as well CU I don't try to gatekeep stuff
02:04:44you know yeah like I don't want to like
02:04:47like I think that like the more that EDM
02:04:50and Basse music can benefit it help
02:04:51everybody at the end of the day and I
02:04:54want to make sure that we can all help
02:04:55each other in some aspects I think it's
02:04:56awesome that you guys do everything that
02:04:58you guys do to help the community um I
02:05:00think it's [Â __Â ] amazing so if I can
02:05:02you know do something uh especially
02:05:03being like uh like a successful whatever
02:05:06like being a a touring act yeah you know
02:05:09that can I just want to give whatever
02:05:11time I can to help out um I don't think
02:05:15it's I you can always be doing more but
02:05:17if I can just you know drop these
02:05:19breakdowns at least take you into to the
02:05:21project you know that's a huge thing man
02:05:23I think it's I think just at least show
02:05:25you how I did this at least so you can
02:05:26maybe find a way to do something similar
02:05:29yourself or something something like
02:05:31that I I think it's just important to um
02:05:33and it's a good feeling I just like to
02:05:35because this is why we do this we're we
02:05:37[Â __Â ] love creating things I love
02:05:39creating that's why I made video
02:05:41montages that's why I did 3D for a
02:05:43little bit that's why you know because I
02:05:45like to create stuff and making music
02:05:47like it saved my life like um just
02:05:49[Â __Â ] around in in Ableton and in
02:05:52serum cuz I don't have a music theory
02:05:53background like I don't know music
02:05:55theory so I just use my ear for
02:05:57everything you know like my whole
02:05:58philosophy is always been like I'm just
02:06:00going to click around in serum until
02:06:02something works and that's why I think I
02:06:03went with FM from a versus B when I
02:06:06started fing things I just had it on a
02:06:08the first time so I just kept doing it
02:06:10that way and like everyone else for the
02:06:12most part does B but there are that
02:06:14little community of FM from
02:06:16a we've had a few A's for sure which is
02:06:18good you know and like I love like just
02:06:21you know I love Distortion messing with
02:06:23crazy sounds like uh um something I
02:06:26actually used to my benefit recently
02:06:28kind of a tangent offse is a frequency
02:06:30shifter I use a lot on sounds cuz uh
02:06:32Happy song that made that main base is
02:06:34like uh it's actually it's actually just
02:06:36one note it's the that c root note and I
02:06:40have a frequency shifter that's
02:06:41automating and that's what's making go
02:06:43that's all that wow that's technically
02:06:46those notes are like probably super flat
02:06:47in between or sharp each time but like I
02:06:50get them as close as I can and I was
02:06:51like this sounds cool sounds weird and
02:06:53kind of jarring as that scary sound and
02:06:55then when it actually drops in I switch
02:06:57to a proper base that does follow the
02:06:59notes and stuff like that interesting
02:07:00really cool that's creative so AR Quest
02:07:02is uh By the time this is here it's it's
02:07:04out and this is so is June 4th right no
02:07:07May 31st oh May 31st May 3st yeah it's
02:07:11out June 4th is my birthday June okay
02:07:13that's why I said something about it
02:07:15yeah uh no this song has been
02:07:17interesting cuz uh I'm very happy it's
02:07:19out it's been getting that similar laser
02:07:21beam notice that same Vibe it's like
02:07:24it's been crazy we uh I I played it for
02:07:27the first I I I had an idea in a shower
02:07:30and it kind of takes the the the the
02:07:32term uh I'm taking the ideas from the
02:07:35fact that people go and chant laser they
02:07:37chant for Happy song shows they
02:07:40go and they you know they go drop drop
02:07:43drop so I I I I was taking from that I'm
02:07:45like we all yell drops out loud that's
02:07:47what we do when we like a drop we do
02:07:49that ourselves as fans when we hear a
02:07:51song we're like you know P so I'm like
02:07:55why not put that in a song like why not
02:07:57literally put that in a song you know so
02:07:59like there's definitely songs out there
02:08:01that that that that have done it before
02:08:03you know I'm sure it's just not you know
02:08:05but like I was like we do this as as
02:08:07bass fans and ravers like let's let's
02:08:10put that as like a pre-drop and have
02:08:12that be the actual Baseline for the
02:08:13thing and I was in the shower and I was
02:08:15just like they I was l in the shower I'm
02:08:16like thinking I'm like wait H with the
02:08:18[Â __Â ] that go like
02:08:22I was like okay there's something there
02:08:24I like I was like I quickly threw that
02:08:26together and I I I was like I I felt
02:08:28something I've never felt like with
02:08:30Happy song or see you drop or laser beam
02:08:32I didn't feel in the moment I know they
02:08:33were cool songs I felt they were cool
02:08:34songs but with song request I was like
02:08:37this feels a little different like I
02:08:39feel something really cool happening
02:08:41here so I played it at countdown for the
02:08:43first time uh we had a midnight moment
02:08:45it was me back toback Crank that it was
02:08:47awesome um and I played it and I posted
02:08:49it and it went crazy on on Tik Tok
02:08:52that's awesome like like I think it hit
02:08:53like 3 million or something or no that
02:08:55was the first no the second Tik Tok I
02:08:56think did 3 million had a couple hundred
02:08:58thousand views really quickly yeah so
02:09:00like oh that's interesting that was one
02:09:02that's one post so I went on a couple
02:09:04weeks later to play it at shows and when
02:09:06I was playing it I heard the crowd
02:09:09going and I'm like from one [Â __Â ]
02:09:11video that's never happened like that's
02:09:14new so I felt like this Instinct like I
02:09:16was like oh [Â __Â ] what's happening so I
02:09:17posted a video of that them doing it it
02:09:19got 3 million in 3 days I think Tik Tok
02:09:21I was
02:09:23blown from Houston I was so shocked I
02:09:27was like how is this like clicking so
02:09:29quickly with people to the point where
02:09:31like it's it's like it's it's like laser
02:09:35beam had a different response like to
02:09:37this this was like this is more of like
02:09:38an outcry like I'm hearing from people
02:09:41it's really cool I uh dude like to the
02:09:44point where we had like Steve Aoki
02:09:45playing it out now which is so crazy we
02:09:48reached out wanted to play the song I'm
02:09:49like that's sick like I like that's nut
02:09:52an icon you knowm I um it's been really
02:09:55cool to see have that feeling again I
02:09:59guess like uh you know from a couple
02:10:01years ago to now to like have something
02:10:03here that feels like we were doing
02:10:04something special again is really cool I
02:10:06I think it's a really fun trk and um
02:10:08really happy that you know it's finally
02:10:10out um we've been playing it out for
02:10:12maybe five months and it's just been a
02:10:15fun ride you know teasing it and
02:10:16promoting it and it's everyone's been
02:10:18asking and it's been that's got to feel
02:10:20good man man I need to go take a shower
02:10:23wherever you're showering can we come
02:10:25shower some Ino yeah just hop in wall
02:10:27hop in have some brainstorm seses so
02:10:30it's been it's been so interesting cuz
02:10:32like I I uh I always come up with my
02:10:36best ideas when I'm sleeping and I'm
02:10:37like over tired and then yeah I felt
02:10:39like this one was like I was the most
02:10:40awake I was just in the shower I was
02:10:41just Ving did you run out and start
02:10:43producing it like I actually did I I I
02:10:46did I did I legitimately did I I
02:10:48literally hopped out I wasn't like I had
02:10:50like I rinsed off shampoo before I was
02:10:52even like done I threw on clothes real
02:10:54quick I just jumped into Ableton I made
02:10:56the idea I didn't do the vocal yet I
02:10:57just had the I had a a a serum default
02:11:01sound just just so I can keep it in my
02:11:04head because sometimes I'll write down
02:11:05like a lyric idea or something but
02:11:07you're going to lose it so I'll record a
02:11:08voice memo or something to keep the
02:11:09melody so I put that there and then um
02:11:12then I went in I recorded just that
02:11:14vocal and I uh I was like oh this is
02:11:17cool this is cool I like this a lot and
02:11:19uh I remember
02:11:21I think it was I finally like got a
02:11:23fleshed out version at decadence New
02:11:25Year's Eve the day before countdown when
02:11:27I played it for the first time and I
02:11:28showed Jess and I was like I think this
02:11:29is like a good I think this is like a
02:11:31good one she was like man that's sick
02:11:33she she's a strict anr she would tell me
02:11:34if it's bad you know and I was like this
02:11:37sounds like it's cool um and the
02:11:40response has just been crazy to be able
02:11:42to play it out playing out an unreleased
02:11:44song and getting a crowd to chant it is
02:11:46like the [Â __Â ] craziest feeling of all
02:11:49time and it's Goosebumps and it's real
02:11:51and I'm so grateful to have um fans that
02:11:56jump on to these type of like Trends
02:11:58with me and just buy into it you know
02:12:00it's a cool feeling that I'm very
02:12:01grateful for that's awesome man and
02:12:04you're going to be opening that up on
02:12:05your YouTube I'm assuming soon right or
02:12:07yeah I will I'm going to jump in uh to a
02:12:10bit of how that track was made on
02:12:12YouTube and by the time this is out it
02:12:13might also be out there as well yeah so
02:12:15we'll try to make sure we get it out at
02:12:17least either the day of or or before or
02:12:20after yeah it'll be it'll be probably
02:12:22around that June 1st um week yeah dude
02:12:26first week got you [Â __Â ] yeah brother
02:12:28hell yeah dude thank you so much for
02:12:30coming on thank you guys for having me
02:12:31make you guys go check out Ray oh wait
02:12:33last question what is the correct
02:12:35spelling of lasers is it with a z or
02:12:38with an s o I'm I'm an S guy you're an S
02:12:41guy you're an S guy I'm an S guy three
02:12:43lines on top three lines on the bottom
02:12:44and yeah the little diagonal lines nice
02:12:48we go back and forth with like putting
02:12:49it in like cuz we have a lot of like
02:12:51laser samples and we I think we mostly
02:12:53do Z's but sometimes we do s z just
02:12:56looks cooler for sure it does look cool
02:12:58I get it yeah I had an internal conflict
02:13:00if I was going to call it laser laser
02:13:01beam lasers I didn't know what to call
02:13:03it I didn't I just went with laser beam
02:13:05L as the word lasers in there I think
02:13:07love that love awesome dude well guys
02:13:09make sure you guys go check out Ray vulp
02:13:11we'll have all your links in the
02:13:12description make sure you go check out
02:13:14your brand new song hopefully it's it's
02:13:16it's uh it's already doing amazing which
02:13:18I'm sure it will 10 streams 10 streams
02:13:20it's already at 10 streams it's crushing
02:13:22it uh no anyone that listens to it I'm
02:13:24just [Â __Â ] I'm grateful like all like
02:13:26jokes aside humor aside I'm it's really
02:13:29cool uh to have this this kind of
02:13:32resurgence and this kind of vibe this
02:13:35kind of talk around me it's a um I feel
02:13:40like I wouldn't be alive if it wasn't
02:13:42for music it saved me for when I was
02:13:43getting bullied so to do this full time
02:13:45and to have any type of momentum around
02:13:48me is such a crazy feeling that I just
02:13:50don't understand and I am just like
02:13:52eternally grateful for every listener
02:13:54it's [Â __Â ] mindboggling so I just I
02:13:56just like hide it under humor you know
02:13:58what I mean but like I'm very [Â __Â ]
02:14:00grateful it's welld deserved man you've
02:14:01been you've been we've seen it just from
02:14:03afar we've seen you grinding for a long
02:14:04time we're super stok that means a lot
02:14:06and I I've known of you guys for [Â __Â ]
02:14:08years and it's really cool to be on here
02:14:09you guys are great dudes thank so much
02:14:11for coming everyone follow excellent
02:14:13yeah I'm on the channel but you're here
02:14:15already yeah but like there's a
02:14:17percentage of you that aren't subscribed
02:14:19because that's how it is for every
02:14:19YouTube channel so whatever that
02:14:20percentage is you heard subscribe you
02:14:22heard it from him love it like comment
02:14:24and we'll see you guys in the next one
02:14:27and listen to Ray and listen to Ray
02:14:28listen to me yay all right that was
02:14:31awesome dude thank you so much dude that
02:14:32was [Â __Â ] great killer dude hell's
02:14:35yeah
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