00:002021 has been a year of balance changes
00:02in payday 2. some good some bad some
00:06i'm not really interested in looking at
00:07these individually right now and rather
00:09just looking at the game as a whole in
00:11this video i plan to count down the two
00:13extremes of game balance one being
00:16broken overpowered and the other being
00:18broken dysfunctional i'll be considering
00:20mostly stats but personal preferences
00:22will creep in as you may or may not
00:24one note i want to get out of the way is
00:26that i only place one weapon of its tier
00:29yes i could make the 5 best weapons all
00:31sniper rifles and it wouldn't be that
00:33wrong to do so but it would be kind of
00:39the worst of our best in this video is
00:41the akimbo cr805b smg
00:44while they lose out to the crank offs
00:46and damage outline and style they're
00:47just too easy to control
00:50these get up to 100 hundred stats while
00:52remaining pretty concealable they have a
00:54high rate of fire while still being very
00:56very easy to handle so combine that with
00:58the highest damage to you for smgs and
01:02well you've got something real stupid in
01:05since it is at the bottom of the top
01:07there has to be a downside right well if
01:10you can call it that these smgs are in
01:12the 100 damage tier they have a pretty
01:14low pickup but they're so stupidly
01:16controllable that it's not even that big
01:17of a deal you can stay ammo positive
01:20with these as long as you have a decent
01:21secondary and don't miss too many shots
01:24or just get bullet storm 8 and go wiping
01:26maps of bodies if you feel like it
01:39at number four the lions roar hey
01:41remember when i said that the lion's
01:43roar was a cool and underused weapon
01:45well i guess overkill heard that and
01:47decided to firmly implant it into the
01:49meta this is one of the most over buffed
01:51weapons that came around this year and i
01:53just have to ask why
01:55look at the stats that were buffed i
01:57mean what it would have been easier to
01:59count what stats they didn't buff like
02:03wait a minute higher damage with the
02:04same pickup rate is also a buff
02:07not to mention that the ars don't have
02:09damage range multipliers so this thing
02:11just tears through enemies at all ranges
02:14how is this thing fair
02:26speaking of unfair number three the grim
02:29half of you may be thinking why is this
02:31puny gun with like five damage here the
02:34other half of you know exactly why it's
02:36here equip dragon's breath rounds
02:38swallow your pride and hold mouse 1.
02:41this gun's fucking dumb
02:42zero accuracy concealable fast reload
02:45high ammo pickup what is this gun and
02:48all that in the secondary spot i mean
02:50you can take another dumb shit op weapon
02:52in your primary the downsides of this
02:55gun are that it's not great with snipers
02:56and dozers but what's stopping you from
02:58taking a lion's or a kimbo cr805b to
03:01deal with that oh and grab overkill aced
03:03while you're there right
03:05this is what i would call the most
03:06brain-dead weapon in the game no effort
03:09all effect i rarely kick anyone from my
03:12lobbies if they're not cheating but
03:13equipping this chunk of metal will give
03:26remember when i said the lions roar was
03:28one of the most over buffed weapons
03:30enter the liebenzager
03:32hey uh overkill you guys do know this
03:35gun just needed a slight reload buff to
03:37keep up with the contractor grom and
03:38king arms right what are the rest of
03:42the liebenzalger got a strange series of
03:44buffs where it's one of the few weapons
03:45in the game that i'm convinced you can't
03:47run out of ammo with unless you try and
03:49even then it'll be a challenge
03:51why did they buff the max ammo so hard
03:54why did they buff the pickup so hard
03:56why did they increase the mag capacity
03:58why do they buff the reload speed so
04:00hard why does this gun have no recoil
04:02what the fuck was the plan
04:04add in berserker for the one shot break
04:06point add in greys and you've made a
04:09monstrosity aim a bit click there goes
04:12an entire squad rinse and repeat this
04:14has to be some kind of war crime
04:20nope never mind this is somehow fucking
04:23this sniper rifle is so spammable that
04:25you don't even need to aim for headshots
04:27and the pickup will compensate for the
04:29wasted shots anyway i can't respect
04:31anyone who seriously runs this gun
04:33nowadays rather than at least limiting
04:35themselves to a contractor which is not
04:37a sentence i ever expected to say
04:39at least it's not as bad as the beta
04:41contractor was but that would be next
04:43level buffing for that to happen
04:55now before i show you the best weapon in
04:57the game a few honorable mentions
04:59because a list is never complete without
05:01i'm sure some of you are expecting the
05:03akimbo goliath to be on this list and i
05:05wouldn't fault you the goliaths are
05:06fucked to hell and back but remember
05:08that i didn't want multiple of one
05:10weapon type on this list
05:12if you want to the goliath can be
05:13slotted right underneath the grim i
05:15would say the goliaths are better than
05:17the grim but the grim is just so easy to
05:19use that i have to put it above the
05:22another mention is the ksp beat on this
05:24gun all you like overkill it's still
05:26competing for the top spots neither less
05:28pickup nor the range multipliers have
05:30wavered this gun's power and it's not
05:32like the ksp is bad it's still busted
05:35but when compared to some of these other
05:37weapons it just doesn't win out
05:39i mean the lion's roar is basically a
05:40concealed ksp with a smaller mag and
05:43stupid faster reloads
05:46my third pick for weapons that just
05:48barely didn't make the list is the 5 7
05:50ap pistol this is certainly a different
05:52pick than the others but this little
05:54pistol has such insane utility no matter
05:57where you put this bad boy it's never
05:59out of place there are very few weapons
06:01that can be slotted into literally every
06:03type of build and still perform well but
06:05the 57 sure as hell can
06:07with its shield pierce and the high
06:08damage this pistol is a beast in many
06:11situations it doesn't stand on its own
06:13all too well but remember that this list
06:15is based on many factors adding to that
06:17this pistol has one of the best feels in
06:19the pistol category no in any category
06:22making it an absolute pleasure to use
06:26now the number one best weapon in payday
06:292 the motherfucking commando 101 rocket
06:32never having received a single nerf nor
06:34buff this black box is in its release
06:37state and still tops this list
06:39it has one downside no pickup however
06:42add an ammo bag or even revenant skills
06:44if you want to go that path and payday 2
06:46becomes a point and click adventure for
06:50with the leaven you aim at the head of
06:52an enemy and then click resulting in the
06:54surrounding enemies also dying with a
06:56commando you point in the general
06:57direction of where you suspect something
06:59is moving and then click somehow
07:01managing to wipe out two full spawn
07:03groups along with a teammate
07:05this launcher is fucking cracked and the
07:07perfect definition of broken beyond
07:08belief in my teamwork video i got a lot
07:11of comments asking if the build was a
07:13joke the answer is yes that whole build
07:15is a shit post to play the least skill
07:17demanding playstyle in the game
07:19even still with that brain off mentality
07:22the sheer power of the commander will
07:24although the build and how i presented
07:26it was a joke the strength behind it is
07:28not commando spam is a surefire way to
07:30pass every single mission
07:33literally nothing in the game except
07:34dozers can even attempt to stand in your
07:37on top of its overall insanity the
07:39commando just feels fucking awesome to
07:41use the sound design the explosions the
07:44little bit of recoil you get after
07:45shooting it's also satisfying and
07:47creates a near euphoric experience
07:50you would be hard pressed to make an
07:51argument that this beast doesn't sit
07:53atop any list of the best weapons
08:08now that we've gone over the strongest
08:09and most enjoyable weapons in the game
08:11to use it's time to shift to the other
08:13side the trash of the trash
08:15although many weapons in payday 2 are
08:17really just re-skins of other weapons
08:19there are some polished turds that make
08:22i hate to do this because it's such a
08:24low shot but if i didn't then i would
08:26have had to read a bunch of stupid
08:27comments saying it the saw
08:30obviously this thing fucking sucks as a
08:32weapon because it's not a weapon it's a
08:34at its best with stacking all the damage
08:37possible you can get it to two shot
08:40the saw has infinite pierce and actually
08:42does high damage to dozers just one
08:44fundamental flaw to get any damage out
08:46of this thing you practically have to
08:48deep throat an enemy's barrel it's
08:50doable but frustrating maybe i'll record
08:53a true dual saw run one day and make
08:56but i would suggest using this thing as
08:58the safety instructions on any power
09:00tools say and just not point it to
09:03despite being the worst weapon in the
09:05game it has incredible power when it
09:07comes to doing objective so out of
09:10respect for that i'm only placing it in
09:22the fourth worst gun in this game is the
09:24piglet grenade launcher it sounds like
09:26the piglet is bad it one shots all
09:28non-specials in the game
09:30however the reload is so fucking slow
09:34if you average it out
09:36yes it has the fastest reload per shell
09:40that however is counteracted by the
09:42painfully bad first shell reload which
09:44is significantly longer than any other
09:46grenade launcher reload
09:48if you're going to reload this you are
09:50going to reload the full thing oh except
09:52that the piglet has a bugged reload
09:54similar to single fire shotguns where it
09:57will sometimes just cancel the reload by
09:59itself after the first shell
10:01just for the sake of comedy if you want
10:04to play this gun you better stack on
10:06bloodthirst or aggressive reload maybe
10:08both it's not like it will help much
10:10because the piglet sometimes chooses to
10:12ignore your reload buffs just because
10:15this is incredibly frustrating and
10:17mentally taxing to the point that i
10:18can't even make myself play this gun for
10:20its unique synergies if you add electric
10:23grenades you can skip the entire reload
10:25process and shoot more often great
10:28except the electric grenades do about as
10:29much damage as throwing tampons at the
10:31enemies so you use half your fucking mag
10:34to kill one spawn group the literal only
10:36practical use of the piglet is in crime
10:38spree with incendiary rounds to stack
10:40afterburn which would be a positive if
10:43the crime spree game mode post infamy
10:453.0 wasn't deader than my brain cells
10:47after needing to reload the piglet for a
10:49majority of my best years
11:05sitting right in the middle of the five
11:07worst guns is the breaker at number
11:10low ammo count and low pickup are not a
11:12great combo on anything
11:14this gun was never really good but it
11:16had some advantages starting out
11:18shotguns can multi-kill enemies at the
11:20very least not that it's very easy for
11:22the breaker to do as it has a weirdly
11:25as overkill decided to start making
11:27balance changes earlier this year they
11:29decided that shotguns need a nerfs
11:31except just one issue with that way of
11:33thinking which shotguns are the ones
11:35needing nerfs maybe the isma grims and
11:37golias those are all super busted and
11:40overused apparently fucking not as they
11:42slapped all the shotguns with damage
11:46okay that sucks for the breaker but it's
11:48not a complete killer then they change
11:50the pellet counts for optimization
11:52purposes with the breaker getting nerfed
11:55who the fuck was using the breaker so
11:57much that the pellet count was a problem
12:00this gun doesn't have an insane fire
12:02rate has a shell by shell reload and
12:04literally isn't used i can't recall a
12:07single time i've seen this used by a pub
12:09player overkill nerfed all shotguns
12:12dragging the poor breaker down with them
12:14it's like nuking a surrendering nation
12:16to scare its allies or it's like drone
12:19striking schools for the sake of
12:20threatening terrorists or it's like
12:23actually i think these similes lost
12:26well at least the nerfs ended up helping
12:28to take shotguns out of the meta right
12:32did you see the best weapons list a few
12:35overkill abused this poor gun for no
12:37reason leaving it so terrible and
12:40if you do want to use this either bring
12:42ammo bags or just keep it as a weapon to
12:44activate overkill ace it's about as
12:47useful as a weapon as a lego brick sheet
12:49is useful for stopping gamma radiation
13:00at number two the heavy crossbow
13:03okay at least the light crossbow can hit
13:05important break points with a fast
13:07reload what is this big bitch's purpose
13:10similar to the thanatos it has a high
13:12damage per shot with a low fire rate and
13:14slow reload but unlike the thantos it
13:17can only hit one enemy at a time while
13:20this is useful in the one case of safe
13:22house nightmare it's hot fucking garbage
13:24anywhere else it's concealable just use
13:27the light crosstalk it can pick its
13:29arrows up again just use the light
13:31it's for the sake of remembering 2015
13:34meta just use the light crossbow
13:38come on now we both know that's a lie
13:40oh and hope to god you don't miss
13:42because you know what comes next right a
13:44speedy and efficient reload
14:07before i present to you the most
14:08steaming dumpster fire of a weapon in
14:10the current state of the game let's go
14:12through the honorable mentions
14:14well really there's nothing honorable
14:16about any of these they're pathetically
14:18awful the jocelyn serves the exact same
14:21purpose as the breaker at least it has
14:23some more ammo it's a direct downgrade
14:25to the moscone in almost every way yes
14:28but it does have the one redeeming
14:30quality of actually looking nice
14:32sadly looking nice won't get this
14:34product of time anywhere higher than the
14:36dishonorable mention list double barrels
14:38have not aged well in the advancement of
14:40the game but at least the moscone is
14:42good the english longbow is like the
14:45heavy crossbow but not as torturous
14:48yes it's a bow with a shit reload and
14:50fire rate but bose can use body
14:53expertise with the high damage on this
14:55every shot to the body will be a killer
14:57that way full charge shots aren't needed
14:59to fight enemies this means that the
15:01longboat technically has a higher
15:03maximum single target kpm than the heavy
15:05crossbow which i measured to be about 26
15:08a whopping four more than the heavy
15:10crossbow so go out and kill horror with
15:13now for reference measuring with the
15:15exact same method on the akimbo cr-805b
15:18from earlier that's roughly 650 kpm be
15:21it as it may be the bow still sucks fat
15:24dong at doing just about anything this
15:25game demands of the player i would most
15:28certainly have put this on the main list
15:30if i didn't feel bad about having both a
15:32bow and a crossbow at the same time
15:35on the surface there's nothing wrong
15:36with the rpk an lmg in payday 2 is an
15:41it has solid stats and can even be
15:43concealed well enough for low blow but
15:45just like beauty the goodness of this
15:47gun goes deeper than the surface
15:49which is why i say this gun is ugly as
15:51fuck and shouldn't be used
15:53the rpk is a gun that only a mother
15:55could love and before you say something
16:02i'm from belarus which is like russia
16:04but not exactly the same
16:06if you don't know the differences well
16:08russia is pretty shit outside of the
16:10major cities and belarus is pretty shit
16:12outside the major cities
16:14and inside the major cities
16:16if you really want to use something for
16:17low blow lmgs just use the brenner yes
16:20it doesn't conceal as well as the rpk
16:22but at least you don't look like a
16:23bumbling moron using it
16:25the worst of the worst the cream of the
16:27crap the steaming turd in a burning
16:30trash can inside an abandoned junkyard
16:32the peacemaker i'm sure that no one saw
16:36a gun that combines everything bad from
16:38the rest of these weapons into one
16:41a long reload being able to kill only
16:43one enemy at a time frustrating and
16:45unsatisfying a piddling mess of a gun
16:48and this gun used to be significantly
16:50worse overkill buffed the reload from
16:527.8 seconds to 5.2 can you fucking
16:55imagine reloading for almost eight
16:57seconds just to kill six enemies
16:59assuming perfect conditions
17:01this gun was tailor made to be bad but
17:04we have to thank it for one thing if
17:05anything without the utterly bad we
17:08would not know just how good everything
17:10the peacemaker is by far and away the
17:12worst gun in payday 2 and i don't expect
17:15it to ever leave that spot
17:17oh hey i wrote the script before update
17:19215 which aside from destroying
17:21everyone's frame rate nerfed the
17:23peacemaker what the weed smoking fuck
17:26caused this move the damage went up yes
17:29but your total ammo went down which
17:31means now you need to make sure to aim
17:33perfectly and pick up all the ammo
17:36now some people are saying that the
17:37balance changes a buff because of the
17:39increased damage but here's why i see as
17:42if you ace one-handed talent then you
17:44can shot enemies with a peacemaker which
17:46is great and all but you aren't playing
17:48peacemaker without desperado ace if you
17:51are god bless you i can't imagine the
17:53suffering that your life consists of
17:55from here acing one handed talent is
17:58nine points and getting basic trigger
18:00happy is 8. trigger happy doesn't even
18:02require a headshot to start so procking
18:04it is extremely easy and from there just
18:08or just get berserker or something
18:11unless you're a living aimbot this
18:27there you have it from the best of the
18:28best to the peacemaker of the
18:31payday 2 has never been balanced well
18:33mainly because overkill simply doesn't
18:35understand what makes guns good they
18:37seemingly don't care for player feedback
18:39as they did that one open beta where
18:41every single person on planet earth
18:43including those who don't play payday 2
18:44said that damage range multipliers were
18:46an anti-player update that just lowers
18:48the fun of using weapons they of course
18:50push the update anyway and have not
18:52asked for feedback since
18:54all of overkill's attempts to change the
18:56meta have been fruitless with
18:57incompetent over buffs like the
18:58liebenzager and ignorant nerfs like the
19:01breaker with overkill's current
19:03balancing model the meta will not shift
19:05as it hasn't and the game will
19:07progressively get less enjoyable to play
19:09i only hope that payday 3 comes out
19:11before whoever is on the balancing team
19:13destroys this game that i hold dear to
