Let's Talk About Rebirth's Ending | Theories & Ultimania Details *SPOILERS*
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💫 Short Summary
The video delves into the world of Final Fantasy 7, exploring themes like multiple worlds, character fates, and storytelling complexity. Insights into the upcoming remake, character interpretations, and potential game features are shared. The development team's dedication and challenges faced during production are highlighted, along with discussions on endings, character arcs, and fan expectations. The video also touches on the significance of Advent Children elements, Cloud's mental state, and the project's evolution. Overall, the video offers a deep dive into the intricacies of Final Fantasy 7 and the remake project's development process.
✨ Highlights
📊 Transcript
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Return to Normal Content Creation
02:11The speaker reflects on transitioning from intense gaming to regular life, experiencing separation anxiety.
Role of Ultimania
Ultimania provides context rather than definitive answers.
Speculation on White Materia
Speaker speculates on the significance of white materia in Final Fantasy 7 and its impact on the storyline.
Insights into Game Worlds and Characters
Discussion on different worlds in the game and mysteries surrounding key characters like Zach and Seph.
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Discussion of multiple worlds based on Zach's choices.
05:05Questioning the necessity of focusing on six different worlds.
Speculation on Zach's whereabouts in the end, potentially in their world.
Creation of different worlds through dog breeds and references to a rainbow effect.
Comparison to the Multiverse concept in Loki and potential for various timelines.
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Final Fantasy 7 Remake details revealed.
07:58Nojima is close to finishing writing the main scenario for part three, ensuring a satisfying conclusion for fans.
Speculation arises regarding the title for part three, hinting it may not be 'Reunion.'
New elements and surprises are promised for the Final Fantasy 7 world, keeping fans excited for the next installment.
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Discussion on potential title 'Return or Returns' for final game and uncertainty about story's direction and game details.
10:12Introduction of character Glenn from FF7 Rebirth.
Hints at a scalable world map in the current game and expectation of surprises in upcoming game features.
Speculation on implementation of flying freedom in high graphic detail.
Trust in developers' ability to deliver, impressive traversal capabilities in Final Fantasy Rebirth with no loading screens, and admiration for the combat simulator's quality.
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Symbolism of CG art in the game, focusing on Cloud and Zack's names representing the sky, with meteor symbolism.
14:00Yuffie's first love story scene highlighted as heartwarming and charming, evoking positive emotions.
Significance of the feather at the start of the journey mentioned, possibly related to an angel theme.
Discussion on Gold Saucer date resolution scenes resembling a dating sim.
Clarification on the canon status of certain scenes provided.
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Uncertainty surrounding the fate of character Aith in the game.
18:29Different interpretations exist based on visual cues and character interactions, leading to varied conclusions among fans.
Developers provide fan service with ambiguous story elements, keeping the true outcome hidden.
Prevailing belief is that Aith survives, as indicated by subtle details and character reactions.
Discussion highlights the complexity of storytelling in the game and the intrigue generated by the unresolved fate of Aith.
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Discussion on the character Aith in the game and theories about her existence.
21:55Aith's presence in Cloud's mind is explored as a coping mechanism or a tool for manipulation.
The complexity of Aith's role in Cloud's mental state is discussed and how it evolves in the game.
The conclusion suggests that Aith's existence may encompass all theories, offering new insights into her significance in the storyline.
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Potential convergence and new content teased by developers in the game.
23:28Final CG ending interpretation questioned due to new information, sparking player curiosity.
Significant expansion hinted at for the next game, possibly referencing Advent Children, thrilling fans.
Excitement and speculation surrounding playable Advent Children sequences in the game, with hopes for future character interactions.
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Incorporation of elements from Advent Children into the game for thematic reasons, including alternate costumes and a final battle sequence.
26:56Emphasis on Cloud finding strength to defeat Sephiroth.
Advent Children's fight scenes and choreography are influential, despite storytelling and character development shortcomings.
Speculation about a legendary sex scene Materia in the game that players may have to find.
Overall focus on delivering an impressive end product for fans.
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Retaining the same staff for three years led to efficiency and quality in the development of FF7 Rebirth.
30:10Keeping 80% of the staff avoided new learning curves and allowed the team to focus on game development challenges.
This approach showcased the benefits of retaining legacy skills within a development team for smoother transitions and more efficient production.
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Development of Final Fantasy VII Remake project
34:01Nomura, Kats, and Nojima highlighted the dedication needed for the project.
Nomura initially regretted starting the project due to the time and effort required.
The game had been in development for several years before the official announcement in 2015.
The project's evolution demonstrated the team's commitment and challenges faced during creation.
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Debate over the ending of Final Fantasy 7 Remake trilogy.
38:06Discussion on whether the ending should be entirely happy or include elements of loss.
Nojima initially wanted a big happy ending but was persuaded otherwise by the team.
Focus on wrapping up part three positively and ensuring closure for characters.
Emphasis on addressing personal opinions to create a satisfying conclusion.
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FF7 developers aim for a bittersweet conclusion with unanswered questions to be addressed in the next game.
39:24Fans have been teased for years, craving answers and payoff.
Despite feeling betrayed by the devs stealing a character's goodbye, there is hope for an even better moment in the future.
Developers are aware of fan reactions and are working towards enhancing the next game.
The next game will align with concerns raised about part two of the series.
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The video game remake project is a massive undertaking unlike anything done before in the industry, with players waiting almost 10 years for the resolution.
42:31The commitment to this project is unprecedented, akin to a marriage proposal.
The characters in the game exist in multiple worlds simultaneously, creating a unique and complex storyline.
The reason behind the Multiverse Shenanigans and boss fights is to provide epic moments and culminations.
The challenge lies in creating satisfying conclusions for each game to avoid boring endings.
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Analysis of storytelling elements in Final Fantasy 7.
47:40The speaker questions the need for complex world-building in the third part of the game, suggesting existing setup is enough.
Emphasis on impactful final moments and epic battles as key components of the narrative.
Argues that additional elements may not be necessary to enhance the game's conclusion.
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Analysis of Cloud's state of mind and significance of scenes from original FF7.
51:24Importance of clarity and explanations regarding Cloud's internal struggles and mysteries surrounding characters like Vincent.
Discussion on Cloud's repression of memories and emotions, showcasing the complexity of his character development.
Emphasis on themes explored in the game related to Cloud's internal struggles and character growth.
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The discussion of Cloud's mental state and multiple realities in the game.
54:18Cloud is actively rejecting events, causing confusion and uncertainty.
Tifa's presence in the Life stream offers a different perspective on events.
Developers clarify that Cloud's experiences do not involve two timelines, but rather his mental state.
The narrative hints at convergence and Cloud experiencing different things at different times, adding complexity to the storyline.
00:00let's
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00:11go now you been good there's a lot
00:13happening I mean I'm kind of excited to
00:15get back to my normal self right my
00:18normal like content creating self I got
00:21I got sucked away to the world of Final
00:23Fantasy 7 rebirth for what felt like a
00:26month and some weeks right so now I'm
00:29like getting back back and playing
00:30fighting games again and you know
00:32separating myself from this game a
00:33little bit but still able to play it and
00:35check it out and continue through hard
00:37mode but it just like absorbed My Life
00:40game legit absorbed my whole ass life
00:45for a very long period of time the only
00:48other game that did that for that long
00:51was Elden ring where it's like Jesus man
00:53I got to get back to being a normal
00:55human I got to like get Ju Just get back
00:58to like what do I do now that I'm not
01:00like playing this game all the time man
01:02like holy [Â __Â ] so there's a little bit
01:04of a um what's it called separation
01:07anxiety there's a little bit of like
01:08separation anxiety when it came to like
01:10the Elden ring playthrough and also ff7
01:12rebirth so yeah getting back and playing
01:14like MKX felt really nice getting back
01:17and playing more Tekken just feels
01:18really good it's like yeah okay I exist
01:21outside of this game you know I do exist
01:25outside of that experience we're good
01:27you know crack the gongaga music that's
01:29a good idea all right so this is
01:33probably going to confirm a lot of stuff
01:34that we've already figured out I'm going
01:35to say it right now the the big reveal
01:38from this
01:39ultimania is likely just going to give
01:41us some context on the stuff we saw but
01:44I I do not think that the ultimania is
01:47going to be effectively a
01:49decisive um here's what's happening
01:52based on the previous ultimania what
01:56happened with remake where it's like
01:57okay the ultimania is going to give us
01:58all the answers when we beat REM make
02:00right it did not it did not all it did
02:02was just sort of confirm our
02:04speculations already without giving us
02:07answers cuz they don't want to they
02:09don't want to give us answers we came to
02:11this conclusion you beat rebirth and
02:13it's painfully clear the devs want us to
02:15ask questions not get answers yet we
02:17need answers or we're going to get those
02:19answers in seemingly the next game so
02:22they confirm six different worlds based
02:24on stamp's appearance with perhaps the
02:25unknown one as well which is the place
02:26where Zach appears in the church at the
02:28end right cuz we don't know where he is
02:30here that's the whole point um Zach's
02:32last stand against the shimra soldiers
02:34takes place in a different world than
02:35the one we know okay the worlds are
02:37differentiated by the stamp dog
02:39appearance right seph knows about these
02:41worlds and is trying to extend the life
02:42of the
02:47planet interesting that's weird white
02:50materia that aith in the current world
02:53has is supposed to counter meteor but
02:56it's lost its power yeah the ath From
02:58Another World entrust the white materia
03:00to Cloud so we can deliver it to the
03:02Earth in the current
03:03world and we don't know if the white
03:06materia does the same thing as this we
03:08don't actually know you know we got to
03:11remember white materia in the old game
03:13summons
03:15holy what does it do it doesn't work
03:18let's remember that about the OG Final
03:20Fantasy 7 the white materia goes off it
03:24functions it tries to stop it but it's
03:26too late and then aith has to show up
03:29and use the life stream as a weapon to
03:31protect you know the planet uh depending
03:33on Zach's choices worlds become divided
03:35yes we get that several points where
03:38it's like oh you know every time Zach
03:40does something he deviates the timeline
03:42because he's like aware that he's [Â __Â ]
03:46up fate he's almost like kind of aware
03:48of it it seems like every time his weird
03:51like his his existence now is like
03:54[Â __Â ] up fate in every single way he
03:56became the the variant right Zach is
03:59100% the variant here so at the moment
04:01there are six different worlds based on
04:02the stamp dogs right the world where
04:05Zach last appears doesn't have a stamp
04:06dog to refer to so where is that world
04:08exactly yes I think these are related
04:11here's my interpretation from this [Â __Â ]
04:14my interpretation
04:16is it doesn't matter in the
04:19end my interpretation is we get to see
04:21so many different worlds and so many
04:23different dogs we get to see so many
04:26things that it's like does it really
04:28matter anymore
04:30by the by at the at the end of the game
04:32now they're important they want you to
04:33know that these are all different but
04:36it's like are we going to flip-flop
04:37between all of them six different places
04:40six or more like consistently through
04:43the next game why would we do that
04:44doesn't seem like that's feasible CU we
04:47only really focus on like two we focus
04:49on the one where you know Zach's alive
04:52for some reason aith and Cloud are in a
04:54coma we focus on our main one then we
04:56get little hints at other ones towards
04:58the end of the game so it's like so why
04:59do we need to focus on six to 12 worlds
05:02no no no I think the whole point is that
05:05[Â __Â ] we're back here we're back to one
05:07and why don't they want to tell us where
05:09where is Zach in the end why don't they
05:11want to tell us where he is here oh cuz
05:15I think he's in our world I think he's
05:18in ours now that's the reveal that's
05:20just my personal opinion he can be in
05:22some world where he's going to go on
05:23dates with aith and [Â __Â ] and he's going
05:24a kiss Barrett there could be plenty of
05:27[Â __Â ] but I think it makes the most sense
05:29that he's with us now that means that uh
05:31potentially seven worlds of course there
05:34is and the world of differentiating by
05:36the Beagle the terrier the Yorkshire
05:38Terrier the Pug the Corgi the
05:39Chihuahua um they were created when
05:42Zach's
05:44choices uh were being made yeah Mr
05:46variant is making other timelines this
05:49very much aligns up with the way they
05:51approach like Multiverse [Â __Â ] in loky
05:53season 1 I didn't see season 2 very much
05:56is where it's like if one variant Happ
05:59happens then it starts to Splinter and
06:02create all these other ones so you have
06:03to attack it before it does that [Â __Â ]
06:06right so just a note there are two
06:07Yorkshire Terrier worlds as the breed is
06:09the same but the appearance of the dog
06:10looks different both represents
06:12different worlds to further confirm
06:13nojima also confirms in the interview
06:15that there are indeed multiple worlds
06:17but perhaps different from parallel
06:18worlds yeah if we already didn't get the
06:21idea that there's multiple worlds
06:22they're just telling us there is and
06:23it's like yeah we know man we
06:27know the rainbow effect repres s new
06:29world creation 273 rainbows not
06:33including limit breaks so is there 273
06:36worlds this is why I don't fall for the
06:38rainbow [Â __Â ] bro this is why like I I
06:41call it rainbow chasing many of the
06:44initial videos from like IGN and
06:47Gamespot and stuff which are good that
06:50break down the events of the end of
06:52Final Fantasy 7 rebirth start eventually
06:55getting towards rainbow intention
06:59rainbow effect intention and discussion
07:02when it's like okay so we don't actually
07:04know what that means and that effect
07:06being one thing specifically sort of
07:09like cakes into everything else so it's
07:11like I don't know if I buy that it
07:13definitely is there to represent
07:15something but it exclusively is like new
07:17creation of this or it is that or it is
07:20that we have no clue bro I'm not anti-
07:23rainbow Theory I'm just I'm just not in
07:25the boat that everything all the Rainbow
07:27Theory means one thing I don't think so
07:29man I think it's obviously a visual cue
07:32but I don't think it all is is what
07:34everyone sort of boils it down to
07:35meaning one thing it symbolizes
07:38something but I don't think it
07:39symbolizes like what all the videos were
07:42sort of saying it is oh it means there's
07:44a new timeline so there's a new timeline
07:45this is a different this is a different
07:46character that's a different character
07:47it's like how do you know that wait
07:50excuse me uh nojima confirms there's
07:53indeed multiple worlds and that aspect
07:55of the story along with the mystery
07:56surrounding arth's white materia will be
07:58made clear
07:59oh well that's cool wait a minute
08:03answers whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa
08:05whoa wait that's actually a bigger deal
08:07than I think you might realize chat
08:09telling us that that stuff will be made
08:11clear that you're going to like let us
08:13know they should just call it Final
08:15Fantasy 7 part three answers actually
08:18telling us what this stuff is like
08:20information instead of just
08:22subtext huh only four more years in fact
08:25he says he is almost done writing the
08:27main scenario for part three and there
08:29will be a tumultuous buildup of events
08:32leading to the ending but he hopes that
08:34oh yeah oh I get that man no Jima you're
08:37cooking you don't write characters the
08:40way you write ff7 remake and rebirth
08:42without cooking some [Â __Â ] I'll give you
08:44credit you obviously had two games of
08:45buildup don't get me wrong and that is
08:48now tough that's tough on people that
08:50like these characters and want to know
08:51where they're going and [Â __Â ] but it's
08:53painfully clear that you know where
08:55you're taking this and it's going to
08:56lead to something very dire and a
08:58tumultuous buildup is probably a good
09:00way of describing it and it's good that
09:02it's coming from the man's mouth himself
09:04I'm looking forward to it I'm and I'm
09:05confident I'll be real I'm relatively
09:07confident Toriyama also mentions he
09:10hopes to bring an amazing conclusion for
09:12the world of Final Fantasy 7 in part
09:14three uh the interview was made February
09:172nd so nojima should be done with the
09:18main story already nura says the words
09:21of the end no promise AWA at Journey's
09:23End is a translation of two messages
09:26there is no promise to the end of the
09:28journey and the end has nothing
09:32decided sure bro we're also actively
09:35listening to Fan theories uh no Mora
09:37says in the Ultima interview that he
09:39actually wanted to have ff7 remake part
09:41two be titled reunion but since that
09:44title went to crisis score he couldn't
09:46use it chat you can shut up about this
09:49now okay everybody thinking the next
09:51game's going to be called reunion even
09:53nura wanted to call rebirth reunion he
09:56says he has not disclosed part 3's title
09:58to anyone so pack it up part three is
10:00most likely not going to be called
10:02reunion based on how nura said he
10:03couldn't use it we can all shut the hell
10:06up about this [Â __Â ] I I actually like
10:08what Audrey is going with here I think
10:10return or returns is great I think
10:12that's a great title for the final game
10:14but you know I don't know they actual
10:15intent with the story and the actual
10:17game itself I have no clue but I think
10:20return or returns is a very powerful
10:21title uh Nur says that Glenn was
10:23originally a character made for ff7
10:26rebirth later became the main character
10:28of ever crisis who exactly Glenn and the
10:30Mysterious saru is will be revealed in
10:33part
10:33three well he's [Â __Â ] dead right uh
10:37namura has an interesting comment in the
10:39rebirth Alania where he says the line
10:41from the release date trailer the world
10:43would be saved but will you is
10:45intertwined with ais's fate cool yeah
10:48she has a line of dialogue like that
10:50towards the when she gives Cloud the
10:51white materia you know huchi says that
10:53in rebirth altim Mania part three should
10:54cover Parts related oh Jesus this is
10:57huge Parts related to the OG icicle in
11:00Northern crater The Awakening of the
11:02weapons flying around in
11:04airships I wouldn't doubt you for a
11:06second I'm a Goan however he is
11:08wondering how exactly to represent the
11:11freedom of flying in an Airship with a
11:13game of such high graphic detail he
11:14hopes to be able to bring something to
11:16surprise the experience much like how
11:17part one and part two introduced new
11:18exciting features you guys already
11:19figured it out okay you already figured
11:21it out I get it it was challenging most
11:24likely I understand that it was probably
11:26very challenging but if you had not
11:28figured that out already then you
11:29probably wouldn't be talking about it
11:32now you're just hyping us up because you
11:34probably have something very cool
11:36already for the next game do I think
11:39they can do it I don't think they can do
11:41it I think they've already done it they
11:42have a solution they just have to
11:43implement it otherwise if they did not
11:45have a solution for this they would not
11:47be talking about it
11:49so I trust him dude we already get a
11:52huge hint at this [Â __Â ] by using the tiny
11:55Bronco in in the current game where it's
11:57like oh they already have a scale of
11:59able world map that's [Â __Â ] weird wait
12:01a minute we shouldn't be doing this yet
12:04in this game you let us do this here you
12:07already have a scalable world map like a
12:10a a a lowquality version high quality
12:12version of it I'm like dude you're
12:14already halfway there Square this isn't
12:16a tease this is sort of showing us that
12:18you have Solutions in place for large
12:21world map [Â __Â ] granted it's on a small
12:23scale at that point PS5 Pro it won't
12:25require the pro it won't require the pro
12:28to be frank dude to be honest like Final
12:30Fantasy rebirth running how good it does
12:33even on PlayStation 5 is really
12:35impressive you have to remind yourself
12:37that entire world is traversable with no
12:39loading you get you from one end of the
12:41world to the complete other the only
12:43time you have a a a gap in in
12:46playability is getting off of the boat
12:49to another area but you can just go
12:52across the entire ocean through the
12:54rivers across the whole map dock within
12:57a second get off of the dock and run
12:59around the world and then just run
13:00through the entirety of it in the other
13:02direction it's like the combat simulator
13:04on the other hand that shit's really
13:07impressive so theur explains the
13:09symbolism of the CG
13:11art Cloud's name Cloud represents the
13:13stormy sky on the left Zach's lettuce
13:17name Fair represents the sky on the
13:19right cute the sky is intersect in the
13:22Middle with SEO the died red to
13:25symbolize meteor representing each one
13:27of their Fates changing he definitely
13:30felt something crazy going on with that
13:31[Â __Â ] a bit on the nose it is a bit on
13:34the nose but it this key art when it
13:36first was revealed was like like an
13:38immediate what it it already was evoking
13:41some emotions so they did a good job uh
13:44nura specifically asked the team to add
13:46in you yui's first love story Into The
13:48Golden saucer date he explains when he
13:50first saw the remastered scene where yui
13:51first meets Zack and crisis cor reunion
13:54he wanted that moment to leave an
13:55impression on her memories then he asked
13:57the team to include that little tidbit
13:58about her first
14:00love so I don't know how this scene is
14:02received with a lot of people I loved it
14:05I think this scene is incredibly
14:07Charming it's so cute the way it plays
14:10out too is insanely cute that like a
14:13young yui um Zach leaves an impression
14:16on her it's very sweet it's very
14:18innocent it's very teenager and the way
14:20it plays out after this with cloud is
14:23this is so sweet like I haven't seen a
14:25scene like this in a game in a long time
14:28if not ever it's so like I I guess
14:31heartwarming is the best way to describe
14:33it it's just very heartwarming they ask
14:35why was there a single
14:37feather at the start of the journey Mora
14:40laughs and says perhaps it's something
14:41to do with something with an angel quote
14:44unquote angel in quotations I wonder if
14:47it implies that Zach was brought to life
14:49after angil pulls him up at the end of
14:52Crisis score reunion with the feathers
14:53surrounding him well I mean yeah but but
14:56Zach already it's not specifically and G
15:00right the white feather thing is also
15:03present just in general from Zach not
15:06not as much like the one-wing at angel I
15:09I I think it's more of a a
15:12Zach sort of thing which also is tied to
15:15ngil because ngil Zach carries nil's
15:18Ambitions you know he literally carries
15:20nil's Legacy now Jus says that the gold
15:23saucer date resolution scenes people
15:25have high expectations so he hopes you
15:27can enjoy it as a fun part of the game
15:29and slightly removed from the story
15:30right he says that what they created for
15:33the gold saucers Affinity dates kind of
15:35reminds them of a dating Sim it does the
15:37answer was given for the comment um was
15:39made by the interviewer regarding Tifa
15:40and Cloud kiss scene during the gold
15:42saucer date uh yeah like almost all of
15:45them could be not canon in my head what
15:48they're trying to say here is that none
15:50of them are Canon none of them
15:52specifically this is removed from the
15:54story The Only One similar to the OG
15:57game with which is like okay so which is
16:00the Canon date in the OG game it was the
16:03aith one because of in [Â __Â ] story
16:06reasons dude the aith one was Mega
16:08important because in in the aith one it
16:11literally reveals stuff about like like
16:13how aith knows that cloud is not who he
16:15says he is type of [Â __Â ] it doesn't come
16:18down to like you know relationship
16:20Affinity or anything like that no it was
16:22like it was there because it moved the
16:23plot forward cuz she's about to [Â __Â ]
16:25die cuz in my in my head Cannon you know
16:28know in the OG it was always the aith
16:30date was the default the aith date was
16:33the one that made the most sense
16:34everything else was just sort of fun
16:36it's the same [Â __Â ] you know giving
16:38giving a kiss scene giving a yui scene a
16:41red 13 scene all this stuff just adds
16:43more context to the story but it's like
16:44who gives a
16:45[Â __Â ] only certain sides of the fan base
16:48give a [Â __Â ] and that's the thing they
16:50they they what they are doing is their
16:52best to appease you you absolute
16:56beautiful people with sound AR arguments
16:59and clearly defined
17:02goals you you love this game for very
17:05specific reasons and all they're doing
17:08is giving you fan service that's what
17:10this comes across as and they literally
17:13admit it they literally admit it enjoy
17:16it for what it is but is it is it
17:18critical to the story no the book says
17:20Reno is bored out of his mind while
17:22taking his extended vacation to recover
17:23from injuries but he's ready to jump
17:26back into the fry as he's ready to get
17:27his revenge against cloud and the other
17:29yeah I'm kind of looking forward to the
17:30Reno and rude Arc in the next game
17:34that'll be exciting that'll be exciting
17:36to see them back together in action
17:37again oh here we go you ready here we go
17:40chat arth's fate is we don't know no
17:43[Â __Â ] if this comes to a conclusion that
17:47they don't want us to know exactly
17:49what's going on yeah as someone that
17:51analyzed the [Â __Â ] out of the events of
17:53the game yes there is no discernable
17:56evidence in any direction because
17:58there's always some weird thing that
18:01refutes it every time every time it
18:04seems like we come to the conclusion
18:05that there's multiple timelines or two
18:07different aths or one aith or one where
18:10she's dead permanently or every single
18:12time we do this we come to the same
18:13[Â __Â ] conclusion they don't want us to
18:15know there's always some goofy red 13
18:17thing or some rainbow or some weird
18:20character interaction that that it's
18:22like dude they literally put this here
18:24to throw us off the only true answer is
18:26that aith is chadly here's the summary
18:29fate it's hard to tell whether she lives
18:30or dies no [Â __Â ] this is what they're
18:31telling us as like the developers based
18:34on what we see it can lead to different
18:35interpretations no [Â __Â ] however what is
18:39confirmed is the party sees something
18:41completely different than Cloud yeah we
18:42came to that conclusion the party fights
18:45goova with full limits um they're full
18:47of anger except for cloud and Barrett
18:49even says that the battle is mourning
18:50for her yeah we came to that conclusion
18:54there's a scene where cloud is holding
18:56aith and speaking something but it's
18:58found out by the noise so we don't know
19:00what is being said
19:02yeah yeah okay we know after the fight
19:06of the Forgotten Capital aith appears
19:07next to Cloud but Tifa cannot see her
19:11yeah we picked up on that [Â __Â ] you'd be
19:14surprised on how how many people missed
19:16this don't get me wrong I know to to a
19:19lot of
19:20people aith is just alive in the end
19:23damn they didn't kill her yes yes that
19:26is 100% a conclusion that you could come
19:29to on first view I think that will be
19:31also utilized in the next game that'll
19:34be utilized that seemingly according to
19:37our main character she's just fine uh
19:40the party seems to be sitting at the
19:41edge of a lake where aith should have
19:42been laid to rest from the original game
19:46yeah we know it is unknown how and where
19:49aith came to Aid cloud in the last fight
19:51against sepo yes we don't we definitely
19:54aren't going to understand what the hell
19:55Omni aith is yet we're not supposed to
19:58om iith AKA Liv stream aith we're not
20:01supposed to know yet but she literally
20:03talks through our aith at several points
20:05in this game she's Chadley is what I'm
20:07trying to say is aith at the end
20:09actually alive or is she from the live
20:11stream or is she a damn bro they covered
20:15all three of the
20:16bases dude they literally cover all
20:19three of them I just I just said this is
20:22she alive or is she from the live stream
20:24or is she a hallucination they literally
20:27covered them all it's like they no and
20:30they refute every single one this is why
20:32everyone's Theory
20:34sucks including my own I I boil down to
20:37this [Â __Â ] this is the one that I boil
20:39down to aith being a hallucination from
20:42cloud in his head doesn't just boil down
20:45to Cloud's head is [Â __Â ] up chat why is
20:47Cloud's head is [Â __Â ] up Cloud's head
20:48is [Â __Â ] up because of several things
20:51and mental trauma and also he's got an
20:53alien in his [Â __Â ] brain that he sees
20:56weird [Â __Â ] throughout the entirety of
20:58remake in the new game right so him
21:00hallucinating [Â __Â ] for certain reason
21:02isn't Just A coping mechanism for him it
21:04can also be weaponized it can also be
21:06like literally he's seeing this
21:09character for nefarious reasons which is
21:12like the goova thing I think like the
21:14goova manipulation is the same
21:15consideration as a hallucination it's
21:17the same [Â __Â ] that's what I'm not saying
21:19like it's physically a freaky alien like
21:22no because Sethro in his head is a goova
21:24manipulation like the entire time it's
21:26Sethro in his head [Â __Â ] with things
21:28answer is all the above I kind of agree
21:32right I kind of agree that at some
21:35points it's life stream erith and at
21:36some points it's a hallucination I
21:38completely agree that that ending is
21:41like it's Cloud coping at the start and
21:43it's like life stream aith like trying
21:45to help him you're going to be okay dude
21:47and then it's him like you know creating
21:50a mental block that she's fine but
21:53eventually when she's gone he doesn't
21:55accept that and it turns into a
21:56hallucination practically a cop
21:58mechanism to the point
22:01later when this happens I feel like this
22:04is actually weaponization this is now a
22:08manipulation to [Â __Â ] him up even more so
22:10I think it's all of them to be real it
22:12could literally be all of them it's just
22:14cool that they're acknowledging it right
22:16it's cool that like oh yeah all that
22:17crazy theorizing we did in conclusion
22:20drawing they they tell us right here and
22:22they're like hey you know what it
22:23actually you're not supposed to know yet
22:25thank you yeah we got that the world war
22:28Zack is alive or the world where aithan
22:30Cloud appeared in the Sector 5 sums has
22:32a crack in the sky does it mean to
22:35signify the end of the world
22:38or oh [Â __Â ] so wait a minute we're saying
22:42that the people in the Sector 5 slums in
22:45that place looked at that [Â __Â ] in the
22:47sky and thought it was the end of the
22:50world but maybe it's not maybe it's
22:53something else so there you go that's
22:55new that's actual new information
22:57everyone in the game is just assuming it
22:58is the end of the world according to the
23:00devs maybe it's not so who knows we're
23:03not supposed to know yet it's a sign of
23:04them converging it could be converging
23:06it can be you know combining it can be a
23:08portal it can be anything right we don't
23:10know rainbows and [Â __Â ] we have no clue
23:13all we're saying is that this is kind of
23:15spoilery that all of our characters look
23:18at that [Â __Â ] in the sky and believe it
23:21is Doom they believe it is the end of
23:25everything the devs are now proposing to
23:28hear maybe it's not so that's huge
23:29information dude that's actually massive
23:32that that throws a wrench into the
23:33majority of what most of us were
23:35interpreting the final CG ending and
23:37what the hell was going down in the the
23:39Sector 5 areas that's super interesting
23:42the cracks in the sky lead to fortnite
23:44yes that's how you do it man when cloud
23:47and Tifa eventually make it to fortnite
23:50they get sucked into a portal that looks
23:52just like the crack in the sky and they
23:54land next to a giant banana dude the
23:57[Â __Â ] and then Cloud pulls on an
23:59AK-47 um profile for rude says he might
24:02look scary on the outside but deeply
24:03cares about his comrades the book
24:05mentions that he shows a side of himself
24:07here and he deeply misses his partner
24:09after keeping up with Elena and her
24:10temper yeah we got that
24:13impression that rude rud rudee's missing
24:16his best friend I think that's uh I
24:18think that's it she got a new tweet up
24:20oh [Â __Â ] oh God damn this looks like a
24:22big one chat part three main story has
24:25been completed honk honk nura thinks
24:29they will perhaps start voice recording
24:30in the near future he remarks that
24:32katasi proposed an idea to him about
24:35something very important to include even
24:37though it wasn't in the original game
24:39and namura is pondering how to deliver
24:42he thinks it will surely make people
24:43happy if they can do it
24:45well I trust you guys I legit do on all
24:49ends nura everybody I trust you guys
24:51nura well nura also talked about the the
24:54fact that wuai is going to be
24:56significantly bigger in the next game
24:58and I was one of the biggest pain in the
25:00asses oh [Â __Â ] damn I didn't even think
25:04about it until chat said it if this
25:06means this [Â __Â ] please
25:09dog please dear Jesus Christ this is the
25:13dream chat this is the dream I mean I
25:16it's nura specifically saying this
25:18because this is his movie he like also
25:19like wrote this [Â __Â ] right directed it
25:22if we get a playable Advent Children
25:24sequence will lose my [Â __Â ] mind I and
25:28I we were been hoping this [Â __Â ] would
25:30show up ever since we we heard about
25:32like the Advent Children references in
25:33the first game where it's like yo what
25:35what are you saying I'm saying and I've
25:37said this many times before even back
25:39when we played remake part one they were
25:41alluding towards Advent Children [Â __Â ]
25:43like it had happened and it was like a
25:45thing that took place we we were
25:47referencing characters and [Â __Â ] so it's
25:48like yo what the [Â __Â ] is going on I was
25:50saying that I hope that at some point at
25:52the end of it we referenced the other
25:54like the fact that cloud has fought
25:55Sethro in in the future the fact that
25:58eventually cloud and seph go at it and
26:01in a vision in some way we get to
26:05control that in a vision in some way we
26:08get to control like a fusion sword and
26:10fight seph in like a unique Dreamscape
26:13that is Advent Children where cloud is
26:14getting flashbacks to other timelines or
26:17like Futures where he has fought seph
26:18and [Â __Â ] so anyway we we thought of this
26:20when kadj law and yazu were effectively
26:23referenced at the end of remake you have
26:25to fight them but they're in Crazy
26:27ethereal form and [Â __Â ] if we get a time
26:30Jump to not time Jump but effectively
26:32just like a vision the same thing that
26:34happens in Cloud's head it would go so
26:36[Â __Â ] hard it would be not a full
26:38remake of Advent Children we don't need
26:40that it just needs to be a little
26:42sequence of like the final battle it
26:44just needs to like bring up and dude
26:46they already they already give us this
26:49[Â __Â ] this already happens at the end
26:51just give us Advent Children alternate
26:53costumes it's just a reason to have that
26:56so I'm just saying that like there's
26:58there is literally a thematic reason why
27:00we can make this [Â __Â ] take place where
27:02it can be like Cloud finding the
27:04strength to defeat Sethro hey dude like
27:06whatever character it's aith trying to
27:08give him this information you did this
27:10before you can do this again type [Â __Â ]
27:12look how much you beat his ass all these
27:14other times like if he doubts himself
27:16and it's like oh how do you build that
27:19strength again it's like well you did it
27:20in Advent Children check this [Â __Â ] out
27:22and they tease it with the guitar and
27:24the the goddamn sephra theme so buddy
27:26yeah if this is the [Â __Â ] that's being
27:28teased at the end about Cloud being able
27:29to like commune and Traverse if not be
27:33in be in contact with other worlds and
27:35timelines because they do that already
27:37he like has visions of the future and
27:39[Â __Â ] then maybe he'll get a vision of
27:41this in like a dream or something like
27:43that he remarks that katasi proposed an
27:45idea to him about something very
27:48important to include even though it
27:50wasn't in the original game and namura
27:53is pondering how to deliver he thinks
27:55it'll make people happy if they do it
27:56well and as much as Advent Children
27:59isn't the greatest movie ever you cannot
28:01deny Advent Children is massively
28:04influential Advent Children fight scenes
28:07in choreography
28:08especially massively influential to the
28:11point where now we're seeing it now it's
28:13like showing up in media and stuff that
28:16like people grew up with that [Â __Â ] and
28:18even even watching it nowadays recently
28:20in theaters no dude the fight scenes are
28:21[Â __Â ] amazing like the the buildup to
28:24the fight scenes and [Â __Â ] are literally
28:27Peak the storytelling in between sucks
28:30it's not good and the characters are
28:31also not that good but when it gets to
28:33like characters in fight scenes and
28:36stuff it's like Jesus Christ this is so
28:38cool and it still is really cool to this
28:40day if you're able to give us that give
28:42us like one of those moments actually in
28:45the end of this game I will lose my
28:47[Â __Â ] mind what he's actually talking
28:49about is the legendary sex scene Materia
28:52that's what he's talking about it's
28:53going to be a Materia that you have to
28:55find you're going to have to breed 12
28:57gold choke
28:59and there's going to be like a one in a
29:01million chance that you get the
29:02legendary sex scene Materia that's what
29:04he's talking about uh kace hopes to
29:06deliver an amazing product for part
29:08three without having to sacrifice
29:09quality he says the reason rebirth was
29:12such an efficient development period was
29:14because they retain the same staff and
29:15part three will also have the same team
29:18[Â __Â ] yeah dude [Â __Â ] so [Â __Â ] happy
29:23[Â __Â ] yeah sorry he mentions rebirth was
29:25actually done within 3 years since about
29:28one year was developing the DLC and he
29:30hopes to be able to stick with that
29:31schedule for part three [Â __Â ] 2027
29:35number were 8e development
29:37[Â __Â ] 2027 bro he just said it um and he
29:41kind of acknowledges that like the the
29:43the first year cuz granted don't get me
29:45wrong rebirth was four years katasi
29:48might not be able to count but it was
29:49four years however I think he can count
29:52he's giving us perspective pretty much
29:54saying that one year after the game was
29:58out was committed to DLC development yes
30:02that that came out like about would have
30:04been done about a year after the initial
30:07game so they had 3 years after that to
30:10produce and release ff7 rebirth and they
30:13did and they did that during [Â __Â ] Co
30:17dude they literally did that [Â __Â ] during
30:20a a global pandemic where everybody had
30:22to change their way of life and working
30:24ability so somehow they made one of the
30:27most content featur games that has ever
30:30been released literally ever been
30:33released from Square
30:35especially within threeyear time frame
30:38and that's because because of this Chad
30:41I don't think we realize how big of a
30:42how big of a deal this is and how how
30:45difficult this is when you learn a bit
30:46more about how gab development works you
30:48do not keep the same crew ever
30:51priorities happen where it's like oh
30:52suddenly uh Final Fantasy 16 needs help
30:55or whatever I'm just saying whatever
30:57Kingdom Hearts for needs help we these
30:59other games need assistance we need to
31:01get people that have experience with
31:02this engine we got to get them in here
31:04man there's there's higher priority here
31:07we got to release this thing to make
31:08money Okay cool so what happens you
31:10Splinter teams constantly it always
31:13happens you we need the talent of these
31:15other places we got to finish this [Â __Â ]
31:16it takes priority it seemed like there
31:18was a conscious effort with the Remake
31:20series we're keeping the same people
31:23don't let them go away they said they
31:24kept 80% of the staff so you know what
31:27that means nobody had to learn anything
31:29new everybody had to figure out new
31:31problems but tackling the weird issues
31:33that game development proposes always
31:35introduces a huge element which is time
31:38time to learn new [Â __Â ] time to solve new
31:41problems with completely new people you
31:44waste so much time in game development
31:46now because games are so much more
31:47complicated than they used to be so the
31:49majority of game development just goes
31:52into that how do we make this [Â __Â ] work
31:53dude how do we even operate this stuff
31:56we don't even know how to get this
31:57online how do how's the game going to
31:59[Â __Â ] look what the [Â __Â ] do we do what
32:01I'm saying is that this is one of the
32:03Jesus Christ this is one of the only
32:04games that is releasing with Legacy
32:07skill where the majority of their
32:09development team has Legacy skill from
32:11the previous game and they're just going
32:12straight forward into the next one and
32:14that goes to show you when you retain
32:16all of that Legacy skill albeit this
32:18isn't a practical situation for all game
32:20development but when you retain all
32:22those people working on a similar game
32:25going right into the next thing how fast
32:27[Â __Â ] can come online how fast like art
32:30and assets come online when you just go
32:33when you don't have to figure [Â __Â ] out
32:34like crazy you know it was one of the
32:36reasons why yeah movies like Lord of the
32:38Rings and [Â __Â ] were developed the way
32:40they were in fact that's actually a
32:43great comparison the Lord of the Rings
32:45trilogy is a pretty good comparison when
32:48they when they committed to making three
32:49full movies and it's like let's just go
32:51one to one to one like back to back to
32:53back let's just keep going keep
32:54everything that we learn and just do the
32:56next one and then do the next one it'll
32:57be a big commitment we're in here for
32:59the Long Haul but effectively that
33:01trilogy doesn't feel like weird and
33:04different it's it's different than
33:05something like even Star Wars or Back to
33:07the Future which none of those movies
33:09feel like they're cohesive with the
33:11other they all have very different tones
33:13and different directors and all this
33:15[Â __Â ] they're great don't get me wrong
33:17but just by comparison to other films
33:19there's huge gaps where like the goals
33:21of the trilogy are different now you
33:22know this is getting the Lord of the
33:24Rings treatment not The Hobbit treatment
33:27Jesus Christ
33:28it's getting the loader treatment keep
33:30everyone on board I just need them for a
33:32long [Â __Â ] time and then we'll make it
33:34work you know this is insanely good news
33:38dude and the good news about it is that
33:40they effectively Square Enix you know
33:43budgetary it's like their baby right for
33:47kace and all like the biggest heads and
33:50uh nojima for nura and even yamatsu like
33:54the biggest heads of Final Fantasy these
33:56are the gods of the company type [Â __Â ]
33:58right it's clear when you hear from them
34:01how important this game is how important
34:03it was for this series and the the
34:05greatest quote from all of this [Â __Â ] was
34:08when nura and katas were initially going
34:10to do the Remake project and they came
34:12to conclusion that they were going to do
34:14it and nura has this amazing quote where
34:19as soon as development kind of started
34:21when they were figuring out what it was
34:22going to be he's like I immediately
34:24regretted
34:25it he's like I I immediately regretted
34:29doing this because it's going to take so
34:31long and it's going to be so much work
34:34he was immediately like oh [Â __Â ] like
34:37this is going to be so much it's in the
34:39music interview it's hilar he laughs
34:41about it now where he's like this was
34:43such a bad idea it's going to take us so
34:46much [Â __Â ] work and time
34:48dude it's funny that that that was
34:51probably him in like 2013 because again
34:55ff7
34:56remake was revealed in 2015 its gaml was
35:00revealed in 2015 right so the game was
35:03already in a functioning state by 2015
35:06in in a different developer at the time
35:08in the hands of cyberconnect 2 so that
35:10isn't when the game was announced and it
35:12was like Hey we're making a game no it
35:13wasn't like 2015 you have to start
35:15thinking back this goes back to like
35:172012 maybe 2013 that they even took to
35:20get the game to that state just thinking
35:23about it nura has been on this project
35:25for 10 plus years going all the way back
35:28to like way before the game was first
35:32shown to us way before the game so it's
35:35like he's been on this project for like
35:3711 years type [Â __Â ] woof dude if if he
35:42makes this [Â __Â ] happen I'll kiss him
35:44I'll [Â __Â ] kiss you dude I won't I'll
35:47ask first I'll be polite I will be
35:49polite but if you manage to get an
35:51advent Children scene into this game by
35:53the end of part three I'll give you a
35:55goddamn smooch I'll ask first okay
35:58be like no thank you I'm like fair
35:59enough I wouldn't be like this chat okay
36:02I'd be polite about it so I'm going to
36:03tell you like as much as you guys want
36:05that ending to happen that isn't the
36:07ending that should happen for Final
36:09Fantasy 7 they should I think Square
36:10Enix everybody involved should grow a
36:14pair of balls and give us the true
36:15ending no it's a happy ending no it is
36:18you know what a happier ending is Zack
36:20and Cloud are alive and Zack cloud and
36:22ath all just start kissing at the same
36:25time and they invite like Tifa in Tia
36:27starts kissing Zack cloud and ath at the
36:29same time and then they also pull in
36:31Barrett Barrett and Zach and cloud and
36:33Tifa and aith all start kissing and then
36:35they grab red 13 and then red 13 and
36:38Barrett and Zach and cloud and ta and
36:40Eric start kissing and then they grab
36:42Vincent and I think you get the idea and
36:44then the legendary sex scene
36:48happens no it's a happy ending
36:51noide I did that for the shipping
36:53Community by the way new tweet from
36:55Audrey Just Happening live right we're
36:57getting live updates to this [Â __Â ] this
37:00is amazing dude to be real I'm getting
37:02more personal gratification out of this
37:06ultimania than I thought I was probably
37:08even more than remake I'm really happy
37:10with this
37:12[Â __Â ] um kace has hopes that the world of
37:16seven make oh my God
37:19bro we
37:20[Laughter]
37:22said bro we talked about
37:25this so do you think FF what what are
37:28they going to do after ff7 is done and
37:30I'm like buddy you think Final Fantasy 7
37:32is done after the Remake project is done
37:35really you think they're just done with
37:37Final Fantasy 7 after this [Â __Â ] really
37:41they're guaranteed money maker uhuh yeah
37:44okay so katasi has hopes that the world
37:46of seven may continue on after finishing
37:49the project trilogy but they need to
37:51wrap up part three first and foremost
37:52yes this is this is the focus this is
37:55the big deal he thinks part three will
37:57perhaps be his last involvement with a
37:59game in the seven series due to his age
38:01in lie of that he wants to bring this
38:03Trilogy to a close to a close with hopes
38:06that cloud and other characters will be
38:07happy at the
38:09end he wants to finish the trilogy on a
38:11positive note without leaving behind any
38:13unfinished business that's just his own
38:16personal opinion yeah so th this was
38:19this was in another interview
38:21recently where nojima wanted a big happy
38:24ending um and this is why he says this
38:26is his personal op I he wanted a big
38:29happy ending for the end of ff7 remake
38:32Trilogy he was eventually convinced I
38:35think it was it was inferred that it was
38:37he was convinced that met is potentially
38:39not where this is going why because the
38:41rest of the dev team doesn't want that
38:43the rest of the dev team is like no like
38:47the big theme of Final Fantasy 7 is loss
38:48and dealing with loss so we have to keep
38:50some of those things right so it seemed
38:52that he had different Ambitions of where
38:55cuz these characters have been around
38:56around he's like you know these
38:58characters are like his baby he just
39:00want wants to give them an all a big
39:01happy ending where everyone's kissing in
39:03the end right but according to parts of
39:05the developer the dev team they don't
39:07they don't they don't share the same
39:08sentiment they were like nah we don't
39:10think that's like the best way to go so
39:12there was some points of contention
39:13there fm7 is not an entirely happy story
39:16not entirely it has a satisfying
39:18conclusion it it's bittersweet is what
39:21it is and it ff7 should be a Bittersweet
39:24story that's the [Â __Â ] point man but
39:25this is cool
39:27without leaving behind unfinished
39:30business yeah there's already been
39:33several notes in this ultimania that the
39:36next game is going to be about answering
39:38questions which is cool that's cool it
39:41it seems like they know that you've
39:44built up so much Intrigue and so much
39:46like so much [Â __Â ] subtext dude
39:49unanswered subtext across two games that
39:53you're clearly building up towards
39:54something we have not gotten answers for
39:58this [Â __Â ] yet and you're only building
40:00up more Intrigue we need to have a game
40:02that starts starts paying out can we get
40:05a game that pays off in some way that
40:07really starts paying off it seems like
40:10they're aware of that which is good it's
40:11almost like us as players it's like we
40:13got to let you guys
40:14know you've been teasing us for a long
40:17time it's like
40:19been now four plus years of teasing
40:22stuff without a lot of answers and it's
40:24starting to feel like H come on dude
40:27dude Jesus I get it the game's amazing
40:28don't get me wrong the game's amazing
40:30for for people that are really curious
40:31where this [Â __Â ] is going it's like can
40:33you just give us something let me get
40:35some answers can we just use the term
40:37Omni arith at some point oh this is so
40:40satisfying dude oh my God this [Â __Â ] is
40:42so good I mean that's the whole point of
40:45this ultimania is to get you hyped about
40:46this game and also the next game but
40:48it's doing a very good job I'll give
40:49them that credit right the whole point
40:51of this book is to get you excited about
40:54what was in the previous game that you
40:55just played and also to get you really
40:57excited about the next thing that
40:58they're doing yeah I get it but it's
41:00doing a very good [Â __Â ] job at that
41:03it's making me very confident that they
41:05are aware of the [Â __Â ] that they're doing
41:08and they're like worried and nervous
41:10about this ending which you should be
41:13dude you should be the goddamn devs
41:16stole from us our goodbye you stole it
41:19from us excuse me it feels like a
41:22betrayal in several ways it feels like a
41:25character betrayal to steal
41:27the goodbye of a character and it isn't
41:30like they didn't know that and that's
41:32what it's coming across as it isn't it
41:35isn't the fact that they just did that
41:36and they're like we made a we made a
41:37cool thing check it out bye-bye no no no
41:40it feels like they're aware of that to
41:43enhance the next game to give us an even
41:47better moment in the future which is
41:50bold and it also lines up with what nuro
41:52was saying about part two where he's
41:54like kind of nervous about the way
41:55people are going to approach part two
41:57why am I why am I not passing full
41:59judgment on this yet because we have not
42:01seen the full story we don't we have not
42:03seen the way this full story concludes
42:05we don't know it's like judging the Lord
42:07of the Rings trilogy after finishing two
42:11towers and then coming to a conclusion
42:14why the [Â __Â ] would you do that why would
42:15you do that the story's not done dude
42:18the painful part is that this isn't a
42:20movie series that comes out one movie a
42:22year this is a massive video game
42:25undertaking
42:27unlike anything ever done before this
42:31remake project is unlike anything ever
42:34done before where we're going to have
42:37our players wait almost 10 [Â __Â ] years
42:41to get the resolution to this story 10
42:45[Â __Â ] years practically from if you
42:47count the time we were waiting before in
42:49between and in between it's a long
42:51nothing like this has ever been in the
42:53industry bro there's literally nothing
42:55like this ever
42:57in the history of video games that makes
42:59a commitment that is this long this in
43:02depth and has continued with their
43:04characters for such a long period of
43:06time it isn't a love letter it's like a
43:09marriage proposal we're almost asking
43:11you to marry this proposition because
43:14trust me in the Long Haul it's going to
43:16be worth it when it eventually gets to
43:18the finale are they going to stick the
43:20final we don't
43:22know right now we're at the end of Two
43:25Towers we don't know
43:27uh new Audrey tweet namura has an
43:30interesting remark about when you fight
43:32Sethro during the ending
43:35battle seph's existence can actually
43:38transcend worlds and exist at the same
43:41time in multiple worlds so he doesn't
43:45care about
43:46time when Zach comes to help Cloud fight
43:50sepo they both exist in a moment where
43:53the Two Worlds
43:55join further when when Zack cloud and
43:58the other party members all fight Sethro
44:01reborn they are presumably existing in
44:04separate
44:06worlds they are still fighting the same
44:09entity so this is the same as the end of
44:13remake and the characters talk about it
44:17where at the end of remake we kind of
44:19know this right I kind of got that too
44:22at the end of remake the characters even
44:24address it where it's like again and you
44:27recognize like how crazy it was like
44:29what we did like back there even in
44:32Advent Children they talk about that too
44:34where it's like remember when we gattle
44:36that strength at the end of you know ff7
44:39it's like a weird Singularity of crazy
44:41[Â __Â ] going down at one point you know
44:44where like multiple timelines multiple
44:46realities are colliding in at one spot
44:49why again boil it down why why does all
44:53this wild [Â __Â ] happen at the end of
44:55these games what is is the actual reason
44:58chat what is the actual reason for this
45:00Multiverse Shenanigans fate Arbiters
45:03this large scale [Â __Â ] what is the
45:06reason for boss fights the reason is to
45:10have a culmination of crazy boss fights
45:13and big epic moments at the end of each
45:15game CU there's a problem with the
45:18trilogy there's a big problem the
45:20conclusion to every game without those
45:25elements is boring
45:27the conclusion is like oh so we're just
45:29going to fight the big motorball thing
45:31at the end and then the credits are
45:33going to
45:34roll that's not super satisfying oh at
45:37the end of rebirth we're just going to
45:38fight goova and that's it and it's going
45:40to roll the music and that's it no no no
45:43so instead they they effectively had to
45:45add big finalities for every single game
45:49at the end of every single one there
45:50needs to be some big overarching
45:52connection right some connection that
45:55declines the fact that it's relatively
45:57anticlimactic because this needs to be
45:59individual video games we're telling
46:01three parts of a story we have to bring
46:03all this [Â __Â ] together with a narrative
46:05that sort of connects it all which is
46:07the Arbiters of Fate the timeline [Â __Â ]
46:10fate all that kind of [Â __Â ] right that's
46:12the big reason and then they sprinkle in
46:14other things which is like so Zach can
46:16also live because of this that'll be fun
46:18and also we don't know if we can save
46:20ath or not maybe you can save aith you
46:22know goova is the closest one where that
46:25could have worked right and the way they
46:27handled goova is incredible the way that
46:29fight is effectively handled at the end
46:31of rebirth is super cool like falling
46:34but the way they did anybody notice that
46:36the way they handle goova doesn't make
46:38any sense where what he's saying here
46:41where he's saying that like they
46:42presumably exist in a separate world
46:44they're fighting the same entity you're
46:46pretty much fighting goova the same way
46:48you would fight goova at the end of
46:50final fantasy7 it's like you're falling
46:52through the life stream type [Â __Â ] you're
46:54like what the hell is happening dude
46:55where what is going on where are we it's
46:59all you're moving all over the place
47:01like you're traversing from one place to
47:02the next it's just insane all that
47:05really is is a storytelling as a
47:07storytelling tool to just enhance the
47:10stakes to just make this more important
47:12and more epic than it normally is in the
47:14OG game right in the OG game it's just
47:16like on on the exact same big platform
47:20that AI died on you fight goova you know
47:24and you could do something similar to
47:27that and it would be fine but it would
47:28definitely lack like an impact it would
47:31lack a a finality you know because you
47:34obviously are just waiting for the next
47:35game where all the big epic fights do
47:37happen to me that's like the reasoning
47:38behind it and here's my conclusion why I
47:40don't think we're going to have to worry
47:42about all this world stuff and a lot of
47:44this timeline [Â __Â ] anymore because
47:46effectively they needed that [Â __Â ] for
47:48part one and two what about part three
47:50do you need big timeline stuff and fate
47:53and cross path Destiny Arbiters all this
47:56crazy do you need that to amplify the
47:59the events of the end of Final Fantasy 7
48:01no you do not you have giant weapon
48:05fights in more crazy Genova you have the
48:08[Â __Â ] one-wing at Angel you have like
48:11you have everything man you have so much
48:13to work with at the end you don't need
48:15all this [Â __Â ] anymore to me the timeline
48:18stuff and all of this Arbiter of Fate
48:19[Â __Â ] was here to amplify elements of the
48:22first two games to give us a more
48:25impactful final game Supernova Knights
48:28of the Round all the cool [Â __Â ] in ff7
48:31effectively happens in the end so I
48:34don't know to me that's where I kind of
48:36feel the timeline [Â __Â ] sort of breaks
48:37down where I feel like yeah we don't
48:39have to worry about all this crazy world
48:41stuff we're going to get we still need
48:42explanations for like how and where this
48:45[Â __Â ] is happening what the hell is the
48:46edge of creation how the [Â __Â ] is seph
48:48like hyper aware of [Â __Â ] what is he
48:50talking about like I will not die and I
48:52won't have you die type of stuff why
48:55does he need Cloud so bad what the [Â __Â ]
48:57is 7 Seconds To the End what the hell's
48:59going on there there's still several
49:01things that we don't know right but for
49:04it to be an overarching plot point I
49:06don't think it's going to be there all
49:08over the place I really don't cuz the
49:10these these these moments at the end of
49:12the game at the end of part one and two
49:15sort of are the exact same as OG ff7
49:18when Cloud Goes Through the Wormhole of
49:20his mind to a different world where
49:23seemingly sephra is alive shirtless and
49:27ready to whoop your ass and it's like
49:29they proposed the exact same [Â __Â ] in
49:31this game that Cloud's mind hold is
49:33actually like a different world a
49:35different existence type of [Â __Â ] you
49:37know and and we interpreted that as like
49:39oh he's defeating Sethro internally
49:41right yeah I get it but you know we find
49:44out later that's actually not true from
49:45Advent Children you know yeah there's
49:47technically seven different realities
49:49all I'm saying is that I don't think
49:51that's going to be major Pro plot
49:54relevant stuff in the next game as much
49:57as they're they're they're used to
49:59amplify characters and to to introduce
50:02new elements without hopefully having it
50:06again being this big looming thing
50:09throughout the entirety of the series
50:11cuz it feels like both games already are
50:1495% faithful to The Originals I don't
50:16think by the end of the game it's going
50:17to mean that much but don't get me wrong
50:21I think it needs to be explained I don't
50:23think that needs to be the conclusion of
50:25all this [Â __Â ] but I think they got to
50:27give us some answers on this stuff of
50:29what the [Â __Â ] is where where are they
50:32can we get some actual explanations of
50:35that [Â __Â ] you know Vincento uh Vincent's
50:38real age is unknown but looks around 27
50:40he sleeps a lot because he wants to
50:41suppress the monsters within him he's
50:43super bad with technology has seen when
50:45he doesn't even know what the Shinra
50:46card reader was out of battery he's more
50:49Adept with old Tech like the radio on
50:51the tiny Bronco cute
50:57I love this part I love the commitment
51:00to Vincent being a comedy relief
51:02character because they do that Vincent's
51:05played for um super
51:08serious but also comedy relief and I
51:11love it oh [Â __Â ] during the scene of
51:15cloud deflecting seph's sword cloud has
51:18a lot of noise flashes through his mind
51:20and Amura says there are a lot of
51:22elements regarding that but for now all
51:24they can say is that you can think of it
51:26as Cloud State of Mind rejecting what is
51:31happening he is saying
51:33it yeah okay sick Bro this was one of my
51:37first interpretations of it called it it
51:39was in my head that as that scene is
51:43happening you're watching Cloud actively
51:46repress [Â __Â ] you're watching him he's
51:48saying it and he's repressing it he is
51:51saying those things in the moment he's
51:53saying all the stuff he says from the OG
51:55game but he's repressing it all you're
51:58getting is like him crying and and
52:00pretty much falling the [Â __Â ] apart where
52:02he's saying those things in the moment
52:04it isn't a flashback to time and [Â __Â ]
52:06it's not even timeline [Â __Â ] it's just
52:08him actively block it out block it out
52:10block it out block it out [Â __Â ] this [Â __Â ]
52:12my brain block it out you know so he
52:14says that [Â __Â ] to
52:16SEO but we don't see him say it we're g
52:19to get it later we're literally getting
52:22it later that's what I that's what I
52:23first saw that as it could be another
52:25timeline thing sure but the again it's
52:30meant to be
52:31confusing him pretty much stating it's
52:34not a timeline thing it's him actively
52:36rejecting what's happening which [Â __Â ]
52:38up Cloud even more right think about it
52:42that also breaks down cloud and his
52:45mental situation even harder than we
52:47were thinking where it's like oh you
52:50know maybe some Multiverse [Â __Â ] is
52:52happening and he says that in another
52:54Multiverse no no no no no this dude is
52:57repressing the [Â __Â ] he is saying in the
52:59moment where he's feeling these things
53:01all at the same time but he is blocking
53:03it it's supposed to be confusing so Tifa
53:06doesn't see it then uh Tifa shows up
53:09after Tifa and the party show up after
53:12she has flashes too yeah Tifa has
53:14flashes of like multiple things
53:17happening right of multiple things
53:20happening 100% tifa's also been in the
53:24Life stream Tifa has also been
53:28inside the life stream which is
53:30different than before so maybe just
53:34maybe she has some sort of an effect on
53:38this moment maybe her perspective is a
53:40little bit different than everybody else
53:42not everybody else sees this two
53:44scenario thing just Tifa sees that even
53:47Cloud isn't familiar with the two
53:48scenario thing Cloud thinks he saved or
53:50o turns out a in saver type [Â __Â ] and it
53:53here and here's the crazy part it
53:54couldn't even be Tifa glitching out it
53:56could it literally be jumping back and
53:59forth in between what cloud sees and
54:01what she
54:04sees it's not clear again we don't have
54:07the answers we're getting little bits of
54:10what the answers actually are right now
54:11we're not supposed to know yet the only
54:14thing that isn't an interpretation now
54:16is what the developers are literally
54:18saying Cloud that's not two timelines
54:20you're looking at that's Cloud actively
54:22rejecting what's happening so to me this
54:24just lends more Cadence to the Cloud
54:27mental state issue instead of there
54:29being multiple realities where one's
54:31alive and one isn't and why say things
54:33in one we live in that timeline type of
54:35stuff to me this sort of boils down to
54:37what our initial thought was where
54:40convergence has happened now it might
54:42seem like there's two different clouds
54:45experiencing this at two different times
54:47but that's also Cloud experiencing
54:49different things at different times
54:50remembering things at different things
54:52at different times cloud is already
54:54doing that throughout the whole game so
54:56we'll see you know it could be both it
54:59literally could be both it could
55:01actually be both
55:03[Music]
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