Let's Talk About Rebirth's Ending | Theories & Ultimania Details SPOILERS

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💫 Short Summary

The video delves into the world of Final Fantasy 7, exploring themes like multiple worlds, character fates, and storytelling complexity. Insights into the upcoming remake, character interpretations, and potential game features are shared. The development team's dedication and challenges faced during production are highlighted, along with discussions on endings, character arcs, and fan expectations. The video also touches on the significance of Advent Children elements, Cloud's mental state, and the project's evolution. Overall, the video offers a deep dive into the intricacies of Final Fantasy 7 and the remake project's development process.

✨ Highlights

📊 Transcript

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Return to Normal Content Creation

02:11

The speaker reflects on transitioning from intense gaming to regular life, experiencing separation anxiety.

Role of Ultimania

Ultimania provides context rather than definitive answers.

Speculation on White Materia

Speaker speculates on the significance of white materia in Final Fantasy 7 and its impact on the storyline.

Insights into Game Worlds and Characters

Discussion on different worlds in the game and mysteries surrounding key characters like Zach and Seph.

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Discussion of multiple worlds based on Zach's choices.

05:05

Questioning the necessity of focusing on six different worlds.

Speculation on Zach's whereabouts in the end, potentially in their world.

Creation of different worlds through dog breeds and references to a rainbow effect.

Comparison to the Multiverse concept in Loki and potential for various timelines.

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Final Fantasy 7 Remake details revealed.

07:58

Nojima is close to finishing writing the main scenario for part three, ensuring a satisfying conclusion for fans.

Speculation arises regarding the title for part three, hinting it may not be 'Reunion.'

New elements and surprises are promised for the Final Fantasy 7 world, keeping fans excited for the next installment.

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Discussion on potential title 'Return or Returns' for final game and uncertainty about story's direction and game details.

10:12

Introduction of character Glenn from FF7 Rebirth.

Hints at a scalable world map in the current game and expectation of surprises in upcoming game features.

Speculation on implementation of flying freedom in high graphic detail.

Trust in developers' ability to deliver, impressive traversal capabilities in Final Fantasy Rebirth with no loading screens, and admiration for the combat simulator's quality.

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Symbolism of CG art in the game, focusing on Cloud and Zack's names representing the sky, with meteor symbolism.

14:00

Yuffie's first love story scene highlighted as heartwarming and charming, evoking positive emotions.

Significance of the feather at the start of the journey mentioned, possibly related to an angel theme.

Discussion on Gold Saucer date resolution scenes resembling a dating sim.

Clarification on the canon status of certain scenes provided.

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Uncertainty surrounding the fate of character Aith in the game.

18:29

Different interpretations exist based on visual cues and character interactions, leading to varied conclusions among fans.

Developers provide fan service with ambiguous story elements, keeping the true outcome hidden.

Prevailing belief is that Aith survives, as indicated by subtle details and character reactions.

Discussion highlights the complexity of storytelling in the game and the intrigue generated by the unresolved fate of Aith.

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Discussion on the character Aith in the game and theories about her existence.

21:55

Aith's presence in Cloud's mind is explored as a coping mechanism or a tool for manipulation.

The complexity of Aith's role in Cloud's mental state is discussed and how it evolves in the game.

The conclusion suggests that Aith's existence may encompass all theories, offering new insights into her significance in the storyline.

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Potential convergence and new content teased by developers in the game.

23:28

Final CG ending interpretation questioned due to new information, sparking player curiosity.

Significant expansion hinted at for the next game, possibly referencing Advent Children, thrilling fans.

Excitement and speculation surrounding playable Advent Children sequences in the game, with hopes for future character interactions.

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Incorporation of elements from Advent Children into the game for thematic reasons, including alternate costumes and a final battle sequence.

26:56

Emphasis on Cloud finding strength to defeat Sephiroth.

Advent Children's fight scenes and choreography are influential, despite storytelling and character development shortcomings.

Speculation about a legendary sex scene Materia in the game that players may have to find.

Overall focus on delivering an impressive end product for fans.

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Retaining the same staff for three years led to efficiency and quality in the development of FF7 Rebirth.

30:10

Keeping 80% of the staff avoided new learning curves and allowed the team to focus on game development challenges.

This approach showcased the benefits of retaining legacy skills within a development team for smoother transitions and more efficient production.

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Development of Final Fantasy VII Remake project

34:01

Nomura, Kats, and Nojima highlighted the dedication needed for the project.

Nomura initially regretted starting the project due to the time and effort required.

The game had been in development for several years before the official announcement in 2015.

The project's evolution demonstrated the team's commitment and challenges faced during creation.

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Debate over the ending of Final Fantasy 7 Remake trilogy.

38:06

Discussion on whether the ending should be entirely happy or include elements of loss.

Nojima initially wanted a big happy ending but was persuaded otherwise by the team.

Focus on wrapping up part three positively and ensuring closure for characters.

Emphasis on addressing personal opinions to create a satisfying conclusion.

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FF7 developers aim for a bittersweet conclusion with unanswered questions to be addressed in the next game.

39:24

Fans have been teased for years, craving answers and payoff.

Despite feeling betrayed by the devs stealing a character's goodbye, there is hope for an even better moment in the future.

Developers are aware of fan reactions and are working towards enhancing the next game.

The next game will align with concerns raised about part two of the series.

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The video game remake project is a massive undertaking unlike anything done before in the industry, with players waiting almost 10 years for the resolution.

42:31

The commitment to this project is unprecedented, akin to a marriage proposal.

The characters in the game exist in multiple worlds simultaneously, creating a unique and complex storyline.

The reason behind the Multiverse Shenanigans and boss fights is to provide epic moments and culminations.

The challenge lies in creating satisfying conclusions for each game to avoid boring endings.

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Analysis of storytelling elements in Final Fantasy 7.

47:40

The speaker questions the need for complex world-building in the third part of the game, suggesting existing setup is enough.

Emphasis on impactful final moments and epic battles as key components of the narrative.

Argues that additional elements may not be necessary to enhance the game's conclusion.

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Analysis of Cloud's state of mind and significance of scenes from original FF7.

51:24

Importance of clarity and explanations regarding Cloud's internal struggles and mysteries surrounding characters like Vincent.

Discussion on Cloud's repression of memories and emotions, showcasing the complexity of his character development.

Emphasis on themes explored in the game related to Cloud's internal struggles and character growth.

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The discussion of Cloud's mental state and multiple realities in the game.

54:18

Cloud is actively rejecting events, causing confusion and uncertainty.

Tifa's presence in the Life stream offers a different perspective on events.

Developers clarify that Cloud's experiences do not involve two timelines, but rather his mental state.

The narrative hints at convergence and Cloud experiencing different things at different times, adding complexity to the storyline.

00:00let's

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00:11go now you been good there's a lot

00:13happening I mean I'm kind of excited to

00:15get back to my normal self right my

00:18normal like content creating self I got

00:21I got sucked away to the world of Final

00:23Fantasy 7 rebirth for what felt like a

00:26month and some weeks right so now I'm

00:29like getting back back and playing

00:30fighting games again and you know

00:32separating myself from this game a

00:33little bit but still able to play it and

00:35check it out and continue through hard

00:37mode but it just like absorbed My Life

00:40game legit absorbed my whole ass life

00:45for a very long period of time the only

00:48other game that did that for that long

00:51was Elden ring where it's like Jesus man

00:53I got to get back to being a normal

00:55human I got to like get Ju Just get back

00:58to like what do I do now that I'm not

01:00like playing this game all the time man

01:02like holy [ __ ] so there's a little bit

01:04of a um what's it called separation

01:07anxiety there's a little bit of like

01:08separation anxiety when it came to like

01:10the Elden ring playthrough and also ff7

01:12rebirth so yeah getting back and playing

01:14like MKX felt really nice getting back

01:17and playing more Tekken just feels

01:18really good it's like yeah okay I exist

01:21outside of this game you know I do exist

01:25outside of that experience we're good

01:27you know crack the gongaga music that's

01:29a good idea all right so this is

01:33probably going to confirm a lot of stuff

01:34that we've already figured out I'm going

01:35to say it right now the the big reveal

01:38from this

01:39ultimania is likely just going to give

01:41us some context on the stuff we saw but

01:44I I do not think that the ultimania is

01:47going to be effectively a

01:49decisive um here's what's happening

01:52based on the previous ultimania what

01:56happened with remake where it's like

01:57okay the ultimania is going to give us

01:58all the answers when we beat REM make

02:00right it did not it did not all it did

02:02was just sort of confirm our

02:04speculations already without giving us

02:07answers cuz they don't want to they

02:09don't want to give us answers we came to

02:11this conclusion you beat rebirth and

02:13it's painfully clear the devs want us to

02:15ask questions not get answers yet we

02:17need answers or we're going to get those

02:19answers in seemingly the next game so

02:22they confirm six different worlds based

02:24on stamp's appearance with perhaps the

02:25unknown one as well which is the place

02:26where Zach appears in the church at the

02:28end right cuz we don't know where he is

02:30here that's the whole point um Zach's

02:32last stand against the shimra soldiers

02:34takes place in a different world than

02:35the one we know okay the worlds are

02:37differentiated by the stamp dog

02:39appearance right seph knows about these

02:41worlds and is trying to extend the life

02:42of the

02:47planet interesting that's weird white

02:50materia that aith in the current world

02:53has is supposed to counter meteor but

02:56it's lost its power yeah the ath From

02:58Another World entrust the white materia

03:00to Cloud so we can deliver it to the

03:02Earth in the current

03:03world and we don't know if the white

03:06materia does the same thing as this we

03:08don't actually know you know we got to

03:11remember white materia in the old game

03:13summons

03:15holy what does it do it doesn't work

03:18let's remember that about the OG Final

03:20Fantasy 7 the white materia goes off it

03:24functions it tries to stop it but it's

03:26too late and then aith has to show up

03:29and use the life stream as a weapon to

03:31protect you know the planet uh depending

03:33on Zach's choices worlds become divided

03:35yes we get that several points where

03:38it's like oh you know every time Zach

03:40does something he deviates the timeline

03:42because he's like aware that he's [ __ ]

03:46up fate he's almost like kind of aware

03:48of it it seems like every time his weird

03:51like his his existence now is like

03:54[ __ ] up fate in every single way he

03:56became the the variant right Zach is

03:59100% the variant here so at the moment

04:01there are six different worlds based on

04:02the stamp dogs right the world where

04:05Zach last appears doesn't have a stamp

04:06dog to refer to so where is that world

04:08exactly yes I think these are related

04:11here's my interpretation from this [ __ ]

04:14my interpretation

04:16is it doesn't matter in the

04:19end my interpretation is we get to see

04:21so many different worlds and so many

04:23different dogs we get to see so many

04:26things that it's like does it really

04:28matter anymore

04:30by the by at the at the end of the game

04:32now they're important they want you to

04:33know that these are all different but

04:36it's like are we going to flip-flop

04:37between all of them six different places

04:40six or more like consistently through

04:43the next game why would we do that

04:44doesn't seem like that's feasible CU we

04:47only really focus on like two we focus

04:49on the one where you know Zach's alive

04:52for some reason aith and Cloud are in a

04:54coma we focus on our main one then we

04:56get little hints at other ones towards

04:58the end of the game so it's like so why

04:59do we need to focus on six to 12 worlds

05:02no no no I think the whole point is that

05:05[ __ ] we're back here we're back to one

05:07and why don't they want to tell us where

05:09where is Zach in the end why don't they

05:11want to tell us where he is here oh cuz

05:15I think he's in our world I think he's

05:18in ours now that's the reveal that's

05:20just my personal opinion he can be in

05:22some world where he's going to go on

05:23dates with aith and [ __ ] and he's going

05:24a kiss Barrett there could be plenty of

05:27[ __ ] but I think it makes the most sense

05:29that he's with us now that means that uh

05:31potentially seven worlds of course there

05:34is and the world of differentiating by

05:36the Beagle the terrier the Yorkshire

05:38Terrier the Pug the Corgi the

05:39Chihuahua um they were created when

05:42Zach's

05:44choices uh were being made yeah Mr

05:46variant is making other timelines this

05:49very much aligns up with the way they

05:51approach like Multiverse [ __ ] in loky

05:53season 1 I didn't see season 2 very much

05:56is where it's like if one variant Happ

05:59happens then it starts to Splinter and

06:02create all these other ones so you have

06:03to attack it before it does that [ __ ]

06:06right so just a note there are two

06:07Yorkshire Terrier worlds as the breed is

06:09the same but the appearance of the dog

06:10looks different both represents

06:12different worlds to further confirm

06:13nojima also confirms in the interview

06:15that there are indeed multiple worlds

06:17but perhaps different from parallel

06:18worlds yeah if we already didn't get the

06:21idea that there's multiple worlds

06:22they're just telling us there is and

06:23it's like yeah we know man we

06:27know the rainbow effect repres s new

06:29world creation 273 rainbows not

06:33including limit breaks so is there 273

06:36worlds this is why I don't fall for the

06:38rainbow [ __ ] bro this is why like I I

06:41call it rainbow chasing many of the

06:44initial videos from like IGN and

06:47Gamespot and stuff which are good that

06:50break down the events of the end of

06:52Final Fantasy 7 rebirth start eventually

06:55getting towards rainbow intention

06:59rainbow effect intention and discussion

07:02when it's like okay so we don't actually

07:04know what that means and that effect

07:06being one thing specifically sort of

07:09like cakes into everything else so it's

07:11like I don't know if I buy that it

07:13definitely is there to represent

07:15something but it exclusively is like new

07:17creation of this or it is that or it is

07:20that we have no clue bro I'm not anti-

07:23rainbow Theory I'm just I'm just not in

07:25the boat that everything all the Rainbow

07:27Theory means one thing I don't think so

07:29man I think it's obviously a visual cue

07:32but I don't think it all is is what

07:34everyone sort of boils it down to

07:35meaning one thing it symbolizes

07:38something but I don't think it

07:39symbolizes like what all the videos were

07:42sort of saying it is oh it means there's

07:44a new timeline so there's a new timeline

07:45this is a different this is a different

07:46character that's a different character

07:47it's like how do you know that wait

07:50excuse me uh nojima confirms there's

07:53indeed multiple worlds and that aspect

07:55of the story along with the mystery

07:56surrounding arth's white materia will be

07:58made clear

07:59oh well that's cool wait a minute

08:03answers whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

08:05whoa wait that's actually a bigger deal

08:07than I think you might realize chat

08:09telling us that that stuff will be made

08:11clear that you're going to like let us

08:13know they should just call it Final

08:15Fantasy 7 part three answers actually

08:18telling us what this stuff is like

08:20information instead of just

08:22subtext huh only four more years in fact

08:25he says he is almost done writing the

08:27main scenario for part three and there

08:29will be a tumultuous buildup of events

08:32leading to the ending but he hopes that

08:34oh yeah oh I get that man no Jima you're

08:37cooking you don't write characters the

08:40way you write ff7 remake and rebirth

08:42without cooking some [ __ ] I'll give you

08:44credit you obviously had two games of

08:45buildup don't get me wrong and that is

08:48now tough that's tough on people that

08:50like these characters and want to know

08:51where they're going and [ __ ] but it's

08:53painfully clear that you know where

08:55you're taking this and it's going to

08:56lead to something very dire and a

08:58tumultuous buildup is probably a good

09:00way of describing it and it's good that

09:02it's coming from the man's mouth himself

09:04I'm looking forward to it I'm and I'm

09:05confident I'll be real I'm relatively

09:07confident Toriyama also mentions he

09:10hopes to bring an amazing conclusion for

09:12the world of Final Fantasy 7 in part

09:14three uh the interview was made February

09:172nd so nojima should be done with the

09:18main story already nura says the words

09:21of the end no promise AWA at Journey's

09:23End is a translation of two messages

09:26there is no promise to the end of the

09:28journey and the end has nothing

09:32decided sure bro we're also actively

09:35listening to Fan theories uh no Mora

09:37says in the Ultima interview that he

09:39actually wanted to have ff7 remake part

09:41two be titled reunion but since that

09:44title went to crisis score he couldn't

09:46use it chat you can shut up about this

09:49now okay everybody thinking the next

09:51game's going to be called reunion even

09:53nura wanted to call rebirth reunion he

09:56says he has not disclosed part 3's title

09:58to anyone so pack it up part three is

10:00most likely not going to be called

10:02reunion based on how nura said he

10:03couldn't use it we can all shut the hell

10:06up about this [ __ ] I I actually like

10:08what Audrey is going with here I think

10:10return or returns is great I think

10:12that's a great title for the final game

10:14but you know I don't know they actual

10:15intent with the story and the actual

10:17game itself I have no clue but I think

10:20return or returns is a very powerful

10:21title uh Nur says that Glenn was

10:23originally a character made for ff7

10:26rebirth later became the main character

10:28of ever crisis who exactly Glenn and the

10:30Mysterious saru is will be revealed in

10:33part

10:33three well he's [ __ ] dead right uh

10:37namura has an interesting comment in the

10:39rebirth Alania where he says the line

10:41from the release date trailer the world

10:43would be saved but will you is

10:45intertwined with ais's fate cool yeah

10:48she has a line of dialogue like that

10:50towards the when she gives Cloud the

10:51white materia you know huchi says that

10:53in rebirth altim Mania part three should

10:54cover Parts related oh Jesus this is

10:57huge Parts related to the OG icicle in

11:00Northern crater The Awakening of the

11:02weapons flying around in

11:04airships I wouldn't doubt you for a

11:06second I'm a Goan however he is

11:08wondering how exactly to represent the

11:11freedom of flying in an Airship with a

11:13game of such high graphic detail he

11:14hopes to be able to bring something to

11:16surprise the experience much like how

11:17part one and part two introduced new

11:18exciting features you guys already

11:19figured it out okay you already figured

11:21it out I get it it was challenging most

11:24likely I understand that it was probably

11:26very challenging but if you had not

11:28figured that out already then you

11:29probably wouldn't be talking about it

11:32now you're just hyping us up because you

11:34probably have something very cool

11:36already for the next game do I think

11:39they can do it I don't think they can do

11:41it I think they've already done it they

11:42have a solution they just have to

11:43implement it otherwise if they did not

11:45have a solution for this they would not

11:47be talking about it

11:49so I trust him dude we already get a

11:52huge hint at this [ __ ] by using the tiny

11:55Bronco in in the current game where it's

11:57like oh they already have a scale of

11:59able world map that's [ __ ] weird wait

12:01a minute we shouldn't be doing this yet

12:04in this game you let us do this here you

12:07already have a scalable world map like a

12:10a a a lowquality version high quality

12:12version of it I'm like dude you're

12:14already halfway there Square this isn't

12:16a tease this is sort of showing us that

12:18you have Solutions in place for large

12:21world map [ __ ] granted it's on a small

12:23scale at that point PS5 Pro it won't

12:25require the pro it won't require the pro

12:28to be frank dude to be honest like Final

12:30Fantasy rebirth running how good it does

12:33even on PlayStation 5 is really

12:35impressive you have to remind yourself

12:37that entire world is traversable with no

12:39loading you get you from one end of the

12:41world to the complete other the only

12:43time you have a a a gap in in

12:46playability is getting off of the boat

12:49to another area but you can just go

12:52across the entire ocean through the

12:54rivers across the whole map dock within

12:57a second get off of the dock and run

12:59around the world and then just run

13:00through the entirety of it in the other

13:02direction it's like the combat simulator

13:04on the other hand that shit's really

13:07impressive so theur explains the

13:09symbolism of the CG

13:11art Cloud's name Cloud represents the

13:13stormy sky on the left Zach's lettuce

13:17name Fair represents the sky on the

13:19right cute the sky is intersect in the

13:22Middle with SEO the died red to

13:25symbolize meteor representing each one

13:27of their Fates changing he definitely

13:30felt something crazy going on with that

13:31[ __ ] a bit on the nose it is a bit on

13:34the nose but it this key art when it

13:36first was revealed was like like an

13:38immediate what it it already was evoking

13:41some emotions so they did a good job uh

13:44nura specifically asked the team to add

13:46in you yui's first love story Into The

13:48Golden saucer date he explains when he

13:50first saw the remastered scene where yui

13:51first meets Zack and crisis cor reunion

13:54he wanted that moment to leave an

13:55impression on her memories then he asked

13:57the team to include that little tidbit

13:58about her first

14:00love so I don't know how this scene is

14:02received with a lot of people I loved it

14:05I think this scene is incredibly

14:07Charming it's so cute the way it plays

14:10out too is insanely cute that like a

14:13young yui um Zach leaves an impression

14:16on her it's very sweet it's very

14:18innocent it's very teenager and the way

14:20it plays out after this with cloud is

14:23this is so sweet like I haven't seen a

14:25scene like this in a game in a long time

14:28if not ever it's so like I I guess

14:31heartwarming is the best way to describe

14:33it it's just very heartwarming they ask

14:35why was there a single

14:37feather at the start of the journey Mora

14:40laughs and says perhaps it's something

14:41to do with something with an angel quote

14:44unquote angel in quotations I wonder if

14:47it implies that Zach was brought to life

14:49after angil pulls him up at the end of

14:52Crisis score reunion with the feathers

14:53surrounding him well I mean yeah but but

14:56Zach already it's not specifically and G

15:00right the white feather thing is also

15:03present just in general from Zach not

15:06not as much like the one-wing at angel I

15:09I I think it's more of a a

15:12Zach sort of thing which also is tied to

15:15ngil because ngil Zach carries nil's

15:18Ambitions you know he literally carries

15:20nil's Legacy now Jus says that the gold

15:23saucer date resolution scenes people

15:25have high expectations so he hopes you

15:27can enjoy it as a fun part of the game

15:29and slightly removed from the story

15:30right he says that what they created for

15:33the gold saucers Affinity dates kind of

15:35reminds them of a dating Sim it does the

15:37answer was given for the comment um was

15:39made by the interviewer regarding Tifa

15:40and Cloud kiss scene during the gold

15:42saucer date uh yeah like almost all of

15:45them could be not canon in my head what

15:48they're trying to say here is that none

15:50of them are Canon none of them

15:52specifically this is removed from the

15:54story The Only One similar to the OG

15:57game with which is like okay so which is

16:00the Canon date in the OG game it was the

16:03aith one because of in [ __ ] story

16:06reasons dude the aith one was Mega

16:08important because in in the aith one it

16:11literally reveals stuff about like like

16:13how aith knows that cloud is not who he

16:15says he is type of [ __ ] it doesn't come

16:18down to like you know relationship

16:20Affinity or anything like that no it was

16:22like it was there because it moved the

16:23plot forward cuz she's about to [ __ ]

16:25die cuz in my in my head Cannon you know

16:28know in the OG it was always the aith

16:30date was the default the aith date was

16:33the one that made the most sense

16:34everything else was just sort of fun

16:36it's the same [ __ ] you know giving

16:38giving a kiss scene giving a yui scene a

16:41red 13 scene all this stuff just adds

16:43more context to the story but it's like

16:44who gives a

16:45[ __ ] only certain sides of the fan base

16:48give a [ __ ] and that's the thing they

16:50they they what they are doing is their

16:52best to appease you you absolute

16:56beautiful people with sound AR arguments

16:59and clearly defined

17:02goals you you love this game for very

17:05specific reasons and all they're doing

17:08is giving you fan service that's what

17:10this comes across as and they literally

17:13admit it they literally admit it enjoy

17:16it for what it is but is it is it

17:18critical to the story no the book says

17:20Reno is bored out of his mind while

17:22taking his extended vacation to recover

17:23from injuries but he's ready to jump

17:26back into the fry as he's ready to get

17:27his revenge against cloud and the other

17:29yeah I'm kind of looking forward to the

17:30Reno and rude Arc in the next game

17:34that'll be exciting that'll be exciting

17:36to see them back together in action

17:37again oh here we go you ready here we go

17:40chat arth's fate is we don't know no

17:43[ __ ] if this comes to a conclusion that

17:47they don't want us to know exactly

17:49what's going on yeah as someone that

17:51analyzed the [ __ ] out of the events of

17:53the game yes there is no discernable

17:56evidence in any direction because

17:58there's always some weird thing that

18:01refutes it every time every time it

18:04seems like we come to the conclusion

18:05that there's multiple timelines or two

18:07different aths or one aith or one where

18:10she's dead permanently or every single

18:12time we do this we come to the same

18:13[ __ ] conclusion they don't want us to

18:15know there's always some goofy red 13

18:17thing or some rainbow or some weird

18:20character interaction that that it's

18:22like dude they literally put this here

18:24to throw us off the only true answer is

18:26that aith is chadly here's the summary

18:29fate it's hard to tell whether she lives

18:30or dies no [ __ ] this is what they're

18:31telling us as like the developers based

18:34on what we see it can lead to different

18:35interpretations no [ __ ] however what is

18:39confirmed is the party sees something

18:41completely different than Cloud yeah we

18:42came to that conclusion the party fights

18:45goova with full limits um they're full

18:47of anger except for cloud and Barrett

18:49even says that the battle is mourning

18:50for her yeah we came to that conclusion

18:54there's a scene where cloud is holding

18:56aith and speaking something but it's

18:58found out by the noise so we don't know

19:00what is being said

19:02yeah yeah okay we know after the fight

19:06of the Forgotten Capital aith appears

19:07next to Cloud but Tifa cannot see her

19:11yeah we picked up on that [ __ ] you'd be

19:14surprised on how how many people missed

19:16this don't get me wrong I know to to a

19:19lot of

19:20people aith is just alive in the end

19:23damn they didn't kill her yes yes that

19:26is 100% a conclusion that you could come

19:29to on first view I think that will be

19:31also utilized in the next game that'll

19:34be utilized that seemingly according to

19:37our main character she's just fine uh

19:40the party seems to be sitting at the

19:41edge of a lake where aith should have

19:42been laid to rest from the original game

19:46yeah we know it is unknown how and where

19:49aith came to Aid cloud in the last fight

19:51against sepo yes we don't we definitely

19:54aren't going to understand what the hell

19:55Omni aith is yet we're not supposed to

19:58om iith AKA Liv stream aith we're not

20:01supposed to know yet but she literally

20:03talks through our aith at several points

20:05in this game she's Chadley is what I'm

20:07trying to say is aith at the end

20:09actually alive or is she from the live

20:11stream or is she a damn bro they covered

20:15all three of the

20:16bases dude they literally cover all

20:19three of them I just I just said this is

20:22she alive or is she from the live stream

20:24or is she a hallucination they literally

20:27covered them all it's like they no and

20:30they refute every single one this is why

20:32everyone's Theory

20:34sucks including my own I I boil down to

20:37this [ __ ] this is the one that I boil

20:39down to aith being a hallucination from

20:42cloud in his head doesn't just boil down

20:45to Cloud's head is [ __ ] up chat why is

20:47Cloud's head is [ __ ] up Cloud's head

20:48is [ __ ] up because of several things

20:51and mental trauma and also he's got an

20:53alien in his [ __ ] brain that he sees

20:56weird [ __ ] throughout the entirety of

20:58remake in the new game right so him

21:00hallucinating [ __ ] for certain reason

21:02isn't Just A coping mechanism for him it

21:04can also be weaponized it can also be

21:06like literally he's seeing this

21:09character for nefarious reasons which is

21:12like the goova thing I think like the

21:14goova manipulation is the same

21:15consideration as a hallucination it's

21:17the same [ __ ] that's what I'm not saying

21:19like it's physically a freaky alien like

21:22no because Sethro in his head is a goova

21:24manipulation like the entire time it's

21:26Sethro in his head [ __ ] with things

21:28answer is all the above I kind of agree

21:32right I kind of agree that at some

21:35points it's life stream erith and at

21:36some points it's a hallucination I

21:38completely agree that that ending is

21:41like it's Cloud coping at the start and

21:43it's like life stream aith like trying

21:45to help him you're going to be okay dude

21:47and then it's him like you know creating

21:50a mental block that she's fine but

21:53eventually when she's gone he doesn't

21:55accept that and it turns into a

21:56hallucination practically a cop

21:58mechanism to the point

22:01later when this happens I feel like this

22:04is actually weaponization this is now a

22:08manipulation to [ __ ] him up even more so

22:10I think it's all of them to be real it

22:12could literally be all of them it's just

22:14cool that they're acknowledging it right

22:16it's cool that like oh yeah all that

22:17crazy theorizing we did in conclusion

22:20drawing they they tell us right here and

22:22they're like hey you know what it

22:23actually you're not supposed to know yet

22:25thank you yeah we got that the world war

22:28Zack is alive or the world where aithan

22:30Cloud appeared in the Sector 5 sums has

22:32a crack in the sky does it mean to

22:35signify the end of the world

22:38or oh [ __ ] so wait a minute we're saying

22:42that the people in the Sector 5 slums in

22:45that place looked at that [ __ ] in the

22:47sky and thought it was the end of the

22:50world but maybe it's not maybe it's

22:53something else so there you go that's

22:55new that's actual new information

22:57everyone in the game is just assuming it

22:58is the end of the world according to the

23:00devs maybe it's not so who knows we're

23:03not supposed to know yet it's a sign of

23:04them converging it could be converging

23:06it can be you know combining it can be a

23:08portal it can be anything right we don't

23:10know rainbows and [ __ ] we have no clue

23:13all we're saying is that this is kind of

23:15spoilery that all of our characters look

23:18at that [ __ ] in the sky and believe it

23:21is Doom they believe it is the end of

23:25everything the devs are now proposing to

23:28hear maybe it's not so that's huge

23:29information dude that's actually massive

23:32that that throws a wrench into the

23:33majority of what most of us were

23:35interpreting the final CG ending and

23:37what the hell was going down in the the

23:39Sector 5 areas that's super interesting

23:42the cracks in the sky lead to fortnite

23:44yes that's how you do it man when cloud

23:47and Tifa eventually make it to fortnite

23:50they get sucked into a portal that looks

23:52just like the crack in the sky and they

23:54land next to a giant banana dude the

23:57[ __ ] and then Cloud pulls on an

23:59AK-47 um profile for rude says he might

24:02look scary on the outside but deeply

24:03cares about his comrades the book

24:05mentions that he shows a side of himself

24:07here and he deeply misses his partner

24:09after keeping up with Elena and her

24:10temper yeah we got that

24:13impression that rude rud rudee's missing

24:16his best friend I think that's uh I

24:18think that's it she got a new tweet up

24:20oh [ __ ] oh God damn this looks like a

24:22big one chat part three main story has

24:25been completed honk honk nura thinks

24:29they will perhaps start voice recording

24:30in the near future he remarks that

24:32katasi proposed an idea to him about

24:35something very important to include even

24:37though it wasn't in the original game

24:39and namura is pondering how to deliver

24:42he thinks it will surely make people

24:43happy if they can do it

24:45well I trust you guys I legit do on all

24:49ends nura everybody I trust you guys

24:51nura well nura also talked about the the

24:54fact that wuai is going to be

24:56significantly bigger in the next game

24:58and I was one of the biggest pain in the

25:00asses oh [ __ ] damn I didn't even think

25:04about it until chat said it if this

25:06means this [ __ ] please

25:09dog please dear Jesus Christ this is the

25:13dream chat this is the dream I mean I

25:16it's nura specifically saying this

25:18because this is his movie he like also

25:19like wrote this [ __ ] right directed it

25:22if we get a playable Advent Children

25:24sequence will lose my [ __ ] mind I and

25:28I we were been hoping this [ __ ] would

25:30show up ever since we we heard about

25:32like the Advent Children references in

25:33the first game where it's like yo what

25:35what are you saying I'm saying and I've

25:37said this many times before even back

25:39when we played remake part one they were

25:41alluding towards Advent Children [ __ ]

25:43like it had happened and it was like a

25:45thing that took place we we were

25:47referencing characters and [ __ ] so it's

25:48like yo what the [ __ ] is going on I was

25:50saying that I hope that at some point at

25:52the end of it we referenced the other

25:54like the fact that cloud has fought

25:55Sethro in in the future the fact that

25:58eventually cloud and seph go at it and

26:01in a vision in some way we get to

26:05control that in a vision in some way we

26:08get to control like a fusion sword and

26:10fight seph in like a unique Dreamscape

26:13that is Advent Children where cloud is

26:14getting flashbacks to other timelines or

26:17like Futures where he has fought seph

26:18and [ __ ] so anyway we we thought of this

26:20when kadj law and yazu were effectively

26:23referenced at the end of remake you have

26:25to fight them but they're in Crazy

26:27ethereal form and [ __ ] if we get a time

26:30Jump to not time Jump but effectively

26:32just like a vision the same thing that

26:34happens in Cloud's head it would go so

26:36[ __ ] hard it would be not a full

26:38remake of Advent Children we don't need

26:40that it just needs to be a little

26:42sequence of like the final battle it

26:44just needs to like bring up and dude

26:46they already they already give us this

26:49[ __ ] this already happens at the end

26:51just give us Advent Children alternate

26:53costumes it's just a reason to have that

26:56so I'm just saying that like there's

26:58there is literally a thematic reason why

27:00we can make this [ __ ] take place where

27:02it can be like Cloud finding the

27:04strength to defeat Sethro hey dude like

27:06whatever character it's aith trying to

27:08give him this information you did this

27:10before you can do this again type [ __ ]

27:12look how much you beat his ass all these

27:14other times like if he doubts himself

27:16and it's like oh how do you build that

27:19strength again it's like well you did it

27:20in Advent Children check this [ __ ] out

27:22and they tease it with the guitar and

27:24the the goddamn sephra theme so buddy

27:26yeah if this is the [ __ ] that's being

27:28teased at the end about Cloud being able

27:29to like commune and Traverse if not be

27:33in be in contact with other worlds and

27:35timelines because they do that already

27:37he like has visions of the future and

27:39[ __ ] then maybe he'll get a vision of

27:41this in like a dream or something like

27:43that he remarks that katasi proposed an

27:45idea to him about something very

27:48important to include even though it

27:50wasn't in the original game and namura

27:53is pondering how to deliver he thinks

27:55it'll make people happy if they do it

27:56well and as much as Advent Children

27:59isn't the greatest movie ever you cannot

28:01deny Advent Children is massively

28:04influential Advent Children fight scenes

28:07in choreography

28:08especially massively influential to the

28:11point where now we're seeing it now it's

28:13like showing up in media and stuff that

28:16like people grew up with that [ __ ] and

28:18even even watching it nowadays recently

28:20in theaters no dude the fight scenes are

28:21[ __ ] amazing like the the buildup to

28:24the fight scenes and [ __ ] are literally

28:27Peak the storytelling in between sucks

28:30it's not good and the characters are

28:31also not that good but when it gets to

28:33like characters in fight scenes and

28:36stuff it's like Jesus Christ this is so

28:38cool and it still is really cool to this

28:40day if you're able to give us that give

28:42us like one of those moments actually in

28:45the end of this game I will lose my

28:47[ __ ] mind what he's actually talking

28:49about is the legendary sex scene Materia

28:52that's what he's talking about it's

28:53going to be a Materia that you have to

28:55find you're going to have to breed 12

28:57gold choke

28:59and there's going to be like a one in a

29:01million chance that you get the

29:02legendary sex scene Materia that's what

29:04he's talking about uh kace hopes to

29:06deliver an amazing product for part

29:08three without having to sacrifice

29:09quality he says the reason rebirth was

29:12such an efficient development period was

29:14because they retain the same staff and

29:15part three will also have the same team

29:18[ __ ] yeah dude [ __ ] so [ __ ] happy

29:23[ __ ] yeah sorry he mentions rebirth was

29:25actually done within 3 years since about

29:28one year was developing the DLC and he

29:30hopes to be able to stick with that

29:31schedule for part three [ __ ] 2027

29:35number were 8e development

29:37[ __ ] 2027 bro he just said it um and he

29:41kind of acknowledges that like the the

29:43the first year cuz granted don't get me

29:45wrong rebirth was four years katasi

29:48might not be able to count but it was

29:49four years however I think he can count

29:52he's giving us perspective pretty much

29:54saying that one year after the game was

29:58out was committed to DLC development yes

30:02that that came out like about would have

30:04been done about a year after the initial

30:07game so they had 3 years after that to

30:10produce and release ff7 rebirth and they

30:13did and they did that during [ __ ] Co

30:17dude they literally did that [ __ ] during

30:20a a global pandemic where everybody had

30:22to change their way of life and working

30:24ability so somehow they made one of the

30:27most content featur games that has ever

30:30been released literally ever been

30:33released from Square

30:35especially within threeyear time frame

30:38and that's because because of this Chad

30:41I don't think we realize how big of a

30:42how big of a deal this is and how how

30:45difficult this is when you learn a bit

30:46more about how gab development works you

30:48do not keep the same crew ever

30:51priorities happen where it's like oh

30:52suddenly uh Final Fantasy 16 needs help

30:55or whatever I'm just saying whatever

30:57Kingdom Hearts for needs help we these

30:59other games need assistance we need to

31:01get people that have experience with

31:02this engine we got to get them in here

31:04man there's there's higher priority here

31:07we got to release this thing to make

31:08money Okay cool so what happens you

31:10Splinter teams constantly it always

31:13happens you we need the talent of these

31:15other places we got to finish this [ __ ]

31:16it takes priority it seemed like there

31:18was a conscious effort with the Remake

31:20series we're keeping the same people

31:23don't let them go away they said they

31:24kept 80% of the staff so you know what

31:27that means nobody had to learn anything

31:29new everybody had to figure out new

31:31problems but tackling the weird issues

31:33that game development proposes always

31:35introduces a huge element which is time

31:38time to learn new [ __ ] time to solve new

31:41problems with completely new people you

31:44waste so much time in game development

31:46now because games are so much more

31:47complicated than they used to be so the

31:49majority of game development just goes

31:52into that how do we make this [ __ ] work

31:53dude how do we even operate this stuff

31:56we don't even know how to get this

31:57online how do how's the game going to

31:59[ __ ] look what the [ __ ] do we do what

32:01I'm saying is that this is one of the

32:03Jesus Christ this is one of the only

32:04games that is releasing with Legacy

32:07skill where the majority of their

32:09development team has Legacy skill from

32:11the previous game and they're just going

32:12straight forward into the next one and

32:14that goes to show you when you retain

32:16all of that Legacy skill albeit this

32:18isn't a practical situation for all game

32:20development but when you retain all

32:22those people working on a similar game

32:25going right into the next thing how fast

32:27[ __ ] can come online how fast like art

32:30and assets come online when you just go

32:33when you don't have to figure [ __ ] out

32:34like crazy you know it was one of the

32:36reasons why yeah movies like Lord of the

32:38Rings and [ __ ] were developed the way

32:40they were in fact that's actually a

32:43great comparison the Lord of the Rings

32:45trilogy is a pretty good comparison when

32:48they when they committed to making three

32:49full movies and it's like let's just go

32:51one to one to one like back to back to

32:53back let's just keep going keep

32:54everything that we learn and just do the

32:56next one and then do the next one it'll

32:57be a big commitment we're in here for

32:59the Long Haul but effectively that

33:01trilogy doesn't feel like weird and

33:04different it's it's different than

33:05something like even Star Wars or Back to

33:07the Future which none of those movies

33:09feel like they're cohesive with the

33:11other they all have very different tones

33:13and different directors and all this

33:15[ __ ] they're great don't get me wrong

33:17but just by comparison to other films

33:19there's huge gaps where like the goals

33:21of the trilogy are different now you

33:22know this is getting the Lord of the

33:24Rings treatment not The Hobbit treatment

33:27Jesus Christ

33:28it's getting the loader treatment keep

33:30everyone on board I just need them for a

33:32long [ __ ] time and then we'll make it

33:34work you know this is insanely good news

33:38dude and the good news about it is that

33:40they effectively Square Enix you know

33:43budgetary it's like their baby right for

33:47kace and all like the biggest heads and

33:50uh nojima for nura and even yamatsu like

33:54the biggest heads of Final Fantasy these

33:56are the gods of the company type [ __ ]

33:58right it's clear when you hear from them

34:01how important this game is how important

34:03it was for this series and the the

34:05greatest quote from all of this [ __ ] was

34:08when nura and katas were initially going

34:10to do the Remake project and they came

34:12to conclusion that they were going to do

34:14it and nura has this amazing quote where

34:19as soon as development kind of started

34:21when they were figuring out what it was

34:22going to be he's like I immediately

34:24regretted

34:25it he's like I I immediately regretted

34:29doing this because it's going to take so

34:31long and it's going to be so much work

34:34he was immediately like oh [ __ ] like

34:37this is going to be so much it's in the

34:39music interview it's hilar he laughs

34:41about it now where he's like this was

34:43such a bad idea it's going to take us so

34:46much [ __ ] work and time

34:48dude it's funny that that that was

34:51probably him in like 2013 because again

34:55ff7

34:56remake was revealed in 2015 its gaml was

35:00revealed in 2015 right so the game was

35:03already in a functioning state by 2015

35:06in in a different developer at the time

35:08in the hands of cyberconnect 2 so that

35:10isn't when the game was announced and it

35:12was like Hey we're making a game no it

35:13wasn't like 2015 you have to start

35:15thinking back this goes back to like

35:172012 maybe 2013 that they even took to

35:20get the game to that state just thinking

35:23about it nura has been on this project

35:25for 10 plus years going all the way back

35:28to like way before the game was first

35:32shown to us way before the game so it's

35:35like he's been on this project for like

35:3711 years type [ __ ] woof dude if if he

35:42makes this [ __ ] happen I'll kiss him

35:44I'll [ __ ] kiss you dude I won't I'll

35:47ask first I'll be polite I will be

35:49polite but if you manage to get an

35:51advent Children scene into this game by

35:53the end of part three I'll give you a

35:55goddamn smooch I'll ask first okay

35:58be like no thank you I'm like fair

35:59enough I wouldn't be like this chat okay

36:02I'd be polite about it so I'm going to

36:03tell you like as much as you guys want

36:05that ending to happen that isn't the

36:07ending that should happen for Final

36:09Fantasy 7 they should I think Square

36:10Enix everybody involved should grow a

36:14pair of balls and give us the true

36:15ending no it's a happy ending no it is

36:18you know what a happier ending is Zack

36:20and Cloud are alive and Zack cloud and

36:22ath all just start kissing at the same

36:25time and they invite like Tifa in Tia

36:27starts kissing Zack cloud and ath at the

36:29same time and then they also pull in

36:31Barrett Barrett and Zach and cloud and

36:33Tifa and aith all start kissing and then

36:35they grab red 13 and then red 13 and

36:38Barrett and Zach and cloud and ta and

36:40Eric start kissing and then they grab

36:42Vincent and I think you get the idea and

36:44then the legendary sex scene

36:48happens no it's a happy ending

36:51noide I did that for the shipping

36:53Community by the way new tweet from

36:55Audrey Just Happening live right we're

36:57getting live updates to this [ __ ] this

37:00is amazing dude to be real I'm getting

37:02more personal gratification out of this

37:06ultimania than I thought I was probably

37:08even more than remake I'm really happy

37:10with this

37:12[ __ ] um kace has hopes that the world of

37:16seven make oh my God

37:19bro we

37:20[Laughter]

37:22said bro we talked about

37:25this so do you think FF what what are

37:28they going to do after ff7 is done and

37:30I'm like buddy you think Final Fantasy 7

37:32is done after the Remake project is done

37:35really you think they're just done with

37:37Final Fantasy 7 after this [ __ ] really

37:41they're guaranteed money maker uhuh yeah

37:44okay so katasi has hopes that the world

37:46of seven may continue on after finishing

37:49the project trilogy but they need to

37:51wrap up part three first and foremost

37:52yes this is this is the focus this is

37:55the big deal he thinks part three will

37:57perhaps be his last involvement with a

37:59game in the seven series due to his age

38:01in lie of that he wants to bring this

38:03Trilogy to a close to a close with hopes

38:06that cloud and other characters will be

38:07happy at the

38:09end he wants to finish the trilogy on a

38:11positive note without leaving behind any

38:13unfinished business that's just his own

38:16personal opinion yeah so th this was

38:19this was in another interview

38:21recently where nojima wanted a big happy

38:24ending um and this is why he says this

38:26is his personal op I he wanted a big

38:29happy ending for the end of ff7 remake

38:32Trilogy he was eventually convinced I

38:35think it was it was inferred that it was

38:37he was convinced that met is potentially

38:39not where this is going why because the

38:41rest of the dev team doesn't want that

38:43the rest of the dev team is like no like

38:47the big theme of Final Fantasy 7 is loss

38:48and dealing with loss so we have to keep

38:50some of those things right so it seemed

38:52that he had different Ambitions of where

38:55cuz these characters have been around

38:56around he's like you know these

38:58characters are like his baby he just

39:00want wants to give them an all a big

39:01happy ending where everyone's kissing in

39:03the end right but according to parts of

39:05the developer the dev team they don't

39:07they don't they don't share the same

39:08sentiment they were like nah we don't

39:10think that's like the best way to go so

39:12there was some points of contention

39:13there fm7 is not an entirely happy story

39:16not entirely it has a satisfying

39:18conclusion it it's bittersweet is what

39:21it is and it ff7 should be a Bittersweet

39:24story that's the [ __ ] point man but

39:25this is cool

39:27without leaving behind unfinished

39:30business yeah there's already been

39:33several notes in this ultimania that the

39:36next game is going to be about answering

39:38questions which is cool that's cool it

39:41it seems like they know that you've

39:44built up so much Intrigue and so much

39:46like so much [ __ ] subtext dude

39:49unanswered subtext across two games that

39:53you're clearly building up towards

39:54something we have not gotten answers for

39:58this [ __ ] yet and you're only building

40:00up more Intrigue we need to have a game

40:02that starts starts paying out can we get

40:05a game that pays off in some way that

40:07really starts paying off it seems like

40:10they're aware of that which is good it's

40:11almost like us as players it's like we

40:13got to let you guys

40:14know you've been teasing us for a long

40:17time it's like

40:19been now four plus years of teasing

40:22stuff without a lot of answers and it's

40:24starting to feel like H come on dude

40:27dude Jesus I get it the game's amazing

40:28don't get me wrong the game's amazing

40:30for for people that are really curious

40:31where this [ __ ] is going it's like can

40:33you just give us something let me get

40:35some answers can we just use the term

40:37Omni arith at some point oh this is so

40:40satisfying dude oh my God this [ __ ] is

40:42so good I mean that's the whole point of

40:45this ultimania is to get you hyped about

40:46this game and also the next game but

40:48it's doing a very good job I'll give

40:49them that credit right the whole point

40:51of this book is to get you excited about

40:54what was in the previous game that you

40:55just played and also to get you really

40:57excited about the next thing that

40:58they're doing yeah I get it but it's

41:00doing a very good [ __ ] job at that

41:03it's making me very confident that they

41:05are aware of the [ __ ] that they're doing

41:08and they're like worried and nervous

41:10about this ending which you should be

41:13dude you should be the goddamn devs

41:16stole from us our goodbye you stole it

41:19from us excuse me it feels like a

41:22betrayal in several ways it feels like a

41:25character betrayal to steal

41:27the goodbye of a character and it isn't

41:30like they didn't know that and that's

41:32what it's coming across as it isn't it

41:35isn't the fact that they just did that

41:36and they're like we made a we made a

41:37cool thing check it out bye-bye no no no

41:40it feels like they're aware of that to

41:43enhance the next game to give us an even

41:47better moment in the future which is

41:50bold and it also lines up with what nuro

41:52was saying about part two where he's

41:54like kind of nervous about the way

41:55people are going to approach part two

41:57why am I why am I not passing full

41:59judgment on this yet because we have not

42:01seen the full story we don't we have not

42:03seen the way this full story concludes

42:05we don't know it's like judging the Lord

42:07of the Rings trilogy after finishing two

42:11towers and then coming to a conclusion

42:14why the [ __ ] would you do that why would

42:15you do that the story's not done dude

42:18the painful part is that this isn't a

42:20movie series that comes out one movie a

42:22year this is a massive video game

42:25undertaking

42:27unlike anything ever done before this

42:31remake project is unlike anything ever

42:34done before where we're going to have

42:37our players wait almost 10 [ __ ] years

42:41to get the resolution to this story 10

42:45[ __ ] years practically from if you

42:47count the time we were waiting before in

42:49between and in between it's a long

42:51nothing like this has ever been in the

42:53industry bro there's literally nothing

42:55like this ever

42:57in the history of video games that makes

42:59a commitment that is this long this in

43:02depth and has continued with their

43:04characters for such a long period of

43:06time it isn't a love letter it's like a

43:09marriage proposal we're almost asking

43:11you to marry this proposition because

43:14trust me in the Long Haul it's going to

43:16be worth it when it eventually gets to

43:18the finale are they going to stick the

43:20final we don't

43:22know right now we're at the end of Two

43:25Towers we don't know

43:27uh new Audrey tweet namura has an

43:30interesting remark about when you fight

43:32Sethro during the ending

43:35battle seph's existence can actually

43:38transcend worlds and exist at the same

43:41time in multiple worlds so he doesn't

43:45care about

43:46time when Zach comes to help Cloud fight

43:50sepo they both exist in a moment where

43:53the Two Worlds

43:55join further when when Zack cloud and

43:58the other party members all fight Sethro

44:01reborn they are presumably existing in

44:04separate

44:06worlds they are still fighting the same

44:09entity so this is the same as the end of

44:13remake and the characters talk about it

44:17where at the end of remake we kind of

44:19know this right I kind of got that too

44:22at the end of remake the characters even

44:24address it where it's like again and you

44:27recognize like how crazy it was like

44:29what we did like back there even in

44:32Advent Children they talk about that too

44:34where it's like remember when we gattle

44:36that strength at the end of you know ff7

44:39it's like a weird Singularity of crazy

44:41[ __ ] going down at one point you know

44:44where like multiple timelines multiple

44:46realities are colliding in at one spot

44:49why again boil it down why why does all

44:53this wild [ __ ] happen at the end of

44:55these games what is is the actual reason

44:58chat what is the actual reason for this

45:00Multiverse Shenanigans fate Arbiters

45:03this large scale [ __ ] what is the

45:06reason for boss fights the reason is to

45:10have a culmination of crazy boss fights

45:13and big epic moments at the end of each

45:15game CU there's a problem with the

45:18trilogy there's a big problem the

45:20conclusion to every game without those

45:25elements is boring

45:27the conclusion is like oh so we're just

45:29going to fight the big motorball thing

45:31at the end and then the credits are

45:33going to

45:34roll that's not super satisfying oh at

45:37the end of rebirth we're just going to

45:38fight goova and that's it and it's going

45:40to roll the music and that's it no no no

45:43so instead they they effectively had to

45:45add big finalities for every single game

45:49at the end of every single one there

45:50needs to be some big overarching

45:52connection right some connection that

45:55declines the fact that it's relatively

45:57anticlimactic because this needs to be

45:59individual video games we're telling

46:01three parts of a story we have to bring

46:03all this [ __ ] together with a narrative

46:05that sort of connects it all which is

46:07the Arbiters of Fate the timeline [ __ ]

46:10fate all that kind of [ __ ] right that's

46:12the big reason and then they sprinkle in

46:14other things which is like so Zach can

46:16also live because of this that'll be fun

46:18and also we don't know if we can save

46:20ath or not maybe you can save aith you

46:22know goova is the closest one where that

46:25could have worked right and the way they

46:27handled goova is incredible the way that

46:29fight is effectively handled at the end

46:31of rebirth is super cool like falling

46:34but the way they did anybody notice that

46:36the way they handle goova doesn't make

46:38any sense where what he's saying here

46:41where he's saying that like they

46:42presumably exist in a separate world

46:44they're fighting the same entity you're

46:46pretty much fighting goova the same way

46:48you would fight goova at the end of

46:50final fantasy7 it's like you're falling

46:52through the life stream type [ __ ] you're

46:54like what the hell is happening dude

46:55where what is going on where are we it's

46:59all you're moving all over the place

47:01like you're traversing from one place to

47:02the next it's just insane all that

47:05really is is a storytelling as a

47:07storytelling tool to just enhance the

47:10stakes to just make this more important

47:12and more epic than it normally is in the

47:14OG game right in the OG game it's just

47:16like on on the exact same big platform

47:20that AI died on you fight goova you know

47:24and you could do something similar to

47:27that and it would be fine but it would

47:28definitely lack like an impact it would

47:31lack a a finality you know because you

47:34obviously are just waiting for the next

47:35game where all the big epic fights do

47:37happen to me that's like the reasoning

47:38behind it and here's my conclusion why I

47:40don't think we're going to have to worry

47:42about all this world stuff and a lot of

47:44this timeline [ __ ] anymore because

47:46effectively they needed that [ __ ] for

47:48part one and two what about part three

47:50do you need big timeline stuff and fate

47:53and cross path Destiny Arbiters all this

47:56crazy do you need that to amplify the

47:59the events of the end of Final Fantasy 7

48:01no you do not you have giant weapon

48:05fights in more crazy Genova you have the

48:08[ __ ] one-wing at Angel you have like

48:11you have everything man you have so much

48:13to work with at the end you don't need

48:15all this [ __ ] anymore to me the timeline

48:18stuff and all of this Arbiter of Fate

48:19[ __ ] was here to amplify elements of the

48:22first two games to give us a more

48:25impactful final game Supernova Knights

48:28of the Round all the cool [ __ ] in ff7

48:31effectively happens in the end so I

48:34don't know to me that's where I kind of

48:36feel the timeline [ __ ] sort of breaks

48:37down where I feel like yeah we don't

48:39have to worry about all this crazy world

48:41stuff we're going to get we still need

48:42explanations for like how and where this

48:45[ __ ] is happening what the hell is the

48:46edge of creation how the [ __ ] is seph

48:48like hyper aware of [ __ ] what is he

48:50talking about like I will not die and I

48:52won't have you die type of stuff why

48:55does he need Cloud so bad what the [ __ ]

48:57is 7 Seconds To the End what the hell's

48:59going on there there's still several

49:01things that we don't know right but for

49:04it to be an overarching plot point I

49:06don't think it's going to be there all

49:08over the place I really don't cuz the

49:10these these these moments at the end of

49:12the game at the end of part one and two

49:15sort of are the exact same as OG ff7

49:18when Cloud Goes Through the Wormhole of

49:20his mind to a different world where

49:23seemingly sephra is alive shirtless and

49:27ready to whoop your ass and it's like

49:29they proposed the exact same [ __ ] in

49:31this game that Cloud's mind hold is

49:33actually like a different world a

49:35different existence type of [ __ ] you

49:37know and and we interpreted that as like

49:39oh he's defeating Sethro internally

49:41right yeah I get it but you know we find

49:44out later that's actually not true from

49:45Advent Children you know yeah there's

49:47technically seven different realities

49:49all I'm saying is that I don't think

49:51that's going to be major Pro plot

49:54relevant stuff in the next game as much

49:57as they're they're they're used to

49:59amplify characters and to to introduce

50:02new elements without hopefully having it

50:06again being this big looming thing

50:09throughout the entirety of the series

50:11cuz it feels like both games already are

50:1495% faithful to The Originals I don't

50:16think by the end of the game it's going

50:17to mean that much but don't get me wrong

50:21I think it needs to be explained I don't

50:23think that needs to be the conclusion of

50:25all this [ __ ] but I think they got to

50:27give us some answers on this stuff of

50:29what the [ __ ] is where where are they

50:32can we get some actual explanations of

50:35that [ __ ] you know Vincento uh Vincent's

50:38real age is unknown but looks around 27

50:40he sleeps a lot because he wants to

50:41suppress the monsters within him he's

50:43super bad with technology has seen when

50:45he doesn't even know what the Shinra

50:46card reader was out of battery he's more

50:49Adept with old Tech like the radio on

50:51the tiny Bronco cute

50:57I love this part I love the commitment

51:00to Vincent being a comedy relief

51:02character because they do that Vincent's

51:05played for um super

51:08serious but also comedy relief and I

51:11love it oh [ __ ] during the scene of

51:15cloud deflecting seph's sword cloud has

51:18a lot of noise flashes through his mind

51:20and Amura says there are a lot of

51:22elements regarding that but for now all

51:24they can say is that you can think of it

51:26as Cloud State of Mind rejecting what is

51:31happening he is saying

51:33it yeah okay sick Bro this was one of my

51:37first interpretations of it called it it

51:39was in my head that as that scene is

51:43happening you're watching Cloud actively

51:46repress [ __ ] you're watching him he's

51:48saying it and he's repressing it he is

51:51saying those things in the moment he's

51:53saying all the stuff he says from the OG

51:55game but he's repressing it all you're

51:58getting is like him crying and and

52:00pretty much falling the [ __ ] apart where

52:02he's saying those things in the moment

52:04it isn't a flashback to time and [ __ ]

52:06it's not even timeline [ __ ] it's just

52:08him actively block it out block it out

52:10block it out block it out [ __ ] this [ __ ]

52:12my brain block it out you know so he

52:14says that [ __ ] to

52:16SEO but we don't see him say it we're g

52:19to get it later we're literally getting

52:22it later that's what I that's what I

52:23first saw that as it could be another

52:25timeline thing sure but the again it's

52:30meant to be

52:31confusing him pretty much stating it's

52:34not a timeline thing it's him actively

52:36rejecting what's happening which [ __ ]

52:38up Cloud even more right think about it

52:42that also breaks down cloud and his

52:45mental situation even harder than we

52:47were thinking where it's like oh you

52:50know maybe some Multiverse [ __ ] is

52:52happening and he says that in another

52:54Multiverse no no no no no this dude is

52:57repressing the [ __ ] he is saying in the

52:59moment where he's feeling these things

53:01all at the same time but he is blocking

53:03it it's supposed to be confusing so Tifa

53:06doesn't see it then uh Tifa shows up

53:09after Tifa and the party show up after

53:12she has flashes too yeah Tifa has

53:14flashes of like multiple things

53:17happening right of multiple things

53:20happening 100% tifa's also been in the

53:24Life stream Tifa has also been

53:28inside the life stream which is

53:30different than before so maybe just

53:34maybe she has some sort of an effect on

53:38this moment maybe her perspective is a

53:40little bit different than everybody else

53:42not everybody else sees this two

53:44scenario thing just Tifa sees that even

53:47Cloud isn't familiar with the two

53:48scenario thing Cloud thinks he saved or

53:50o turns out a in saver type [ __ ] and it

53:53here and here's the crazy part it

53:54couldn't even be Tifa glitching out it

53:56could it literally be jumping back and

53:59forth in between what cloud sees and

54:01what she

54:04sees it's not clear again we don't have

54:07the answers we're getting little bits of

54:10what the answers actually are right now

54:11we're not supposed to know yet the only

54:14thing that isn't an interpretation now

54:16is what the developers are literally

54:18saying Cloud that's not two timelines

54:20you're looking at that's Cloud actively

54:22rejecting what's happening so to me this

54:24just lends more Cadence to the Cloud

54:27mental state issue instead of there

54:29being multiple realities where one's

54:31alive and one isn't and why say things

54:33in one we live in that timeline type of

54:35stuff to me this sort of boils down to

54:37what our initial thought was where

54:40convergence has happened now it might

54:42seem like there's two different clouds

54:45experiencing this at two different times

54:47but that's also Cloud experiencing

54:49different things at different times

54:50remembering things at different things

54:52at different times cloud is already

54:54doing that throughout the whole game so

54:56we'll see you know it could be both it

54:59literally could be both it could

55:01actually be both

55:03[Music]

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