SIMAGIC VS. EVERYTHING! - Best Value Direct Drive Sim Racing Setup?
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💫 Short Summary
The video compares different Sim racing wheelbases from Sim Magic, highlighting their pricing, ecosystem, and performance compared to competitors. It emphasizes the importance of community support and fine-tuning settings for an optimal driving experience. Sim Magic's high-quality products, integrated software, and reliable hardware are praised, making them a competitive choice in the market. The Alpha U model is recommended for its dynamic range and strong force feedback, while other models cater to varying preferences and budgets. Overall, Sim Magic offers good value for money and a refined driving experience.
✨ Highlights
📊 Transcript
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A comparison of Sim magic wheelbases Alpha mini, Alpha, and Alpha U with competitors in the direct drive market.
00:26Reviewer highlights the importance of shopping around for the best deal due to import duties.
Pricing details provided for each wheelbase.
Opinions shared are based on personal observations and extensive testing against competitors.
Video aims to help viewers decide which wheelbase is best suited for their needs.
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Highlights of Direct Drive Wheel Bases Pricing and Comparisons.
04:28Peak strength is not the most crucial factor, with a strength range of 10-15 Nm generally being sufficient for most users.
Users should prioritize having control of the car rather than the car driving them.
Viewers are encouraged to check out detailed reviews and stay updated on the simu cube ecosystem.
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Comparison of hardware ecosystems for Sim racing.
05:40Logitech's G Pro Series criticized for lack of expansion in offerings.
Sim Magic praised for solid ecosystem with high-quality peripherals.
Mozza and Fitech compared, with Sim Magic offering a more premium experience.
Sim Magic allows the use of any wheel with no lockout on force feedback, providing flexibility to users.
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Comparison between Sim Magic and Mozza product lines.
08:46Sim Magic has expanded their product line since initial release, focusing on mid to high-level products.
Mozza offers a larger selection of peripherals at different price points compared to Sim Magic.
Both brands provide PC compatibility for various pedals and peripherals.
While Sim Magic is on par with Mozza in terms of ecosystem, Mozza offers better value for money due to wider product range.
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Highlights of the Sim Magic Ecosystem.
11:04The segment discusses the high-quality racing gear and unified software package offered by Sim Magic.
Emphasis is placed on the convenience of having all settings and configurations in one place, unlike other brands with separate software for different peripherals.
Fine-tuning options for driving experience are compared across different models and adjustments available.
Specific details on torque levels and configurations for different wheelbase models are provided, praising the integration and ease of use of the Sim Magic ecosystem.
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Calibrating steering wheels for gaming.
13:51Finding it awkward to calibrate to the exact center, a workaround is mentioned of tilting the steering wheel 7 degrees to the left during calibration.
Various settings like sensitivity adjustment, angle presets, hard lock angle, and force feedback settings are covered.
Importance of setting maximum torque for force feedback is highlighted to ensure a consistent steering feel even during extreme situations like crashes.
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Tips for optimizing force feedback settings in a racing game.
17:21Limiting torque is crucial to prevent crashes and setting force feedback adjustment to 100% is recommended.
Emphasis is placed on maintaining dynamic range and avoiding clipping during strong force feedback events.
Adjustments for smoothness, wheel rotation speed, and force feedback detail can enhance the driving experience.
Experimenting with settings is encouraged based on individual preferences and driving styles.
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Mechanical adjustments for sim racing wheels.
19:53Settings for force feedback, centering force, damping, inertia, and friction are discussed.
Higher filter settings are preferred for enhanced smoothness and authenticity.
Zero latency force feedback algorithm is mentioned for converting low-frequency signals.
Importance of fine-tuning settings for a tailored driving experience.
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Comparison of force feedback adjustment settings in sim racing wheelbases.
21:58Simucube settings are found to be comparable to other major brands, with additional tweaks available.
Community support is emphasized, allowing for importing and sharing profiles.
Mechanical design of products is praised for its clean and simple design, including front threads for easy mounting and well-placed inputs and outputs.
Inclusion of an emergency stop button is highlighted as a positive feature.
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Benefits of EOP button on wheelbase and quality of quick release system for Sim racing.
25:00The speaker praises the reliability of the system and its lack of issues, especially with communication and disconnection.
Highlighted the build quality and premium feel of the products, comparing them favorably to competitors like Simicube.
Impressed with the hardware and believes it offers good value for the price.
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Explanation of Peak torque and holding torque in motors used for sim racing.
27:30Manufacturers have different ways of measuring these metrics, with specific models compared in terms of newton meters.
Discussion on slew rate and the importance of balancing it with inertia for optimal feedback.
Emphasis on rotor weight as a crucial factor in motor performance.
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Comparison of three driving experience designs: Alpha, Alpha U, and Mini.
32:35Alpha U provides more dynamic range and stronger force feedback, but may not be necessary for most scenarios.
The Mini is suitable for those who do not require strong force feedback.
The speaker recommends the Alpha for future-proofing, but states the Mini is sufficient for budget-conscious buyers.
Overall, the speaker considers the Alpha to be the best choice for long-term use.
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Comparison of wheelbases in terms of force feedback and driving experience.
34:05Mozza wheelbases are found to have lower force feedback and require more filtering for smoothness, compromising detail.
Mozza's software and firmware are not as advanced as competitors, impacting overall performance.
Other wheelbases are preferred for better driving experience and quality peripherals, with cheaper options not recommended.
Simagic is praised for its pedals and shifters, standing out in the market.
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Comparison between Fitech and Sim Magic in terms of ecosystem, rims, and peripheral quality.
37:47Fitech has a wider ecosystem and larger selection of rims but lower quality peripherals compared to Sim Magic.
Fitech may release new products soon, while Sim Magic offers smoother feedback and a more refined driving experience similar to Acch bases.
Both Fitech and Sim Magic provide a high level of car connection and driving consistency, but Sim Magic is considered better value for money.
The difference between Fitech and Sim Magic lies in very granular details like textures in the road surface.
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Comparison of different wheelbases, Semic Cube bases offer a more refined product.
40:35Lower price point may come with sacrifices, but firmware updates could improve performance.
Semic Cube 2 Pro and similar bases offer superior detail and authenticity.
Difficult to downgrade from higher-end options due to quality.
Products reviewed show significant improvements, addressing bugs and showing commitment to quality.
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Future plans for the channel include revisiting CSDD, DD plus bases, and other products.
41:19Viewers are encouraged to subscribe, check out detailed reviews, and use discount codes and affiliate links.
The speaker expresses gratitude for the support and thanks viewers for watching.
00:00hey guys will here so today's video is
00:01one that I've been excited to put
00:03together for quite some time now as you
00:04can see in front of me I have the Sim
00:06magic Alpha mini Alpha and Alpha U or
00:09Alpha
00:10[Music]
00:11ultimate what we're going to be doing in
00:13today's video is cross comparing not
00:14only all three of these wheelbases
00:16against each other to help you guys
00:18decide which one of these might be most
00:19suited to your specific needs we're also
00:21going to be cross comparing all three of
00:22these guys against their competitors
00:24within the direct drive market so a lot
00:26to get through today we're going to try
00:27and get through it as quickly as we
00:28possibly can so let's dive
00:34in so as always some quick housekeeping
00:37stuff just so you have the full context
00:38of exactly what we're doing today so
00:39firstly big thank you to sim magic for
00:41sending across all of this gear for us
00:43to check out for the purposes of this
00:45review and all the others that we'll be
00:46doing over the next couple of months now
00:48I do want to quickly mention that we do
00:49have another video which I would
00:51recommend you check out if you haven't
00:52already seen it uh going over the the
00:54full Sim magic ecosystem so looking at
00:55the shifters the pedals and whatnot we
00:57are going to be doing more specific
00:58reviews of each of those products like
01:00what we're doing here in today's video
01:02but definitely watch that video as a
01:03precursor to what we're going to be
01:04talking about today because there will
01:05be some assumed knowledge in today's
01:07video just to try and keep things a
01:08little bit shorter so big thank you to
01:10them for sending this gear across to us
01:12now we will as I mentioned also be cross
01:13comparing against most competitive
01:15products in today's video as well so
01:17it's important that you're aware that
01:18all of those products have all been
01:20provided to us under the exact same
01:21conditions now we do also have some
01:23affiliate links available down in the
01:24description box below as well as some
01:26discount codes for most of the brands
01:28that we're going to be talking about
01:29today so regard regardless of what you
01:30might want to pick up if anything that
01:32is an awesome way of helping support our
01:33work here at booster media without it
01:34costing you a scent and we do really
01:36appreciate your support there so as as
01:37always the case here at booster media
01:39we're not under any sort of obligation
01:40to say any specific things and
01:42everything we're going to be covering in
01:43today's video is purely just my own
01:44observations and my own opinions having
01:46been putting these through their Paces
01:48for a very extended period of time now
01:50against all their competitors as well so
01:53let's dive in first of all talking about
01:55pricing now I don't want to get bogged
01:56down in pricing for today's video but
01:58just to give you the quick rundown on
01:59all three of these guys here so all the
02:01price that we're discussing here has
02:03been taken off the sim magic website the
02:05day that we're recording this video so
02:06as is always the case with pricing but
02:08particular with Sim magic singers
02:09they've got such a well established
02:11distribution Network around the world it
02:12does pay to shop around even though we
02:14do have that discount code down below I
02:16would recommend shop around make sure
02:17you're getting the best possible deal
02:18because you may be able to avoid uh
02:20import duties and things like that if
02:21you buy from a local distributor but to
02:24give you the pricing directly from the
02:25Sim magic website Alpha mini comes in at
02:28539 at the time of recording this video
02:31the standard Alpha comes in at
02:34$769 and the alpha U comes in at
02:37$999 they just dropped the price of that
02:39from
02:40$1,029 so without getting completely
02:42bogged down in pricing here that puts it
02:44at relative parody with an equivalent uh
02:46strength base from Mozza comparing with
02:49fitech and their new club sport models
02:51it's a little bit more complicated
02:52because they don't have a model that
02:54kind of matches equivalent strength
02:55directly their DD plus is similar to the
02:58kind of strength that you feel feel in
03:00the standard Alpha and the csdd at 12
03:03new M holding sits somewhere between the
03:05mini and the alpha do of course need to
03:07factor in their ecosystem and the fact
03:09that they do have console compatibility
03:10natively as well so that is an important
03:12consideration and I would definitely
03:14recommend you know as is the case with
03:15all of these products are comparing to
03:17we do have specific reviews of all of
03:18these we can dive in and uh really
03:20extract all the details about them that
03:22you might want if you're actually
03:23looking at buying any one of these so I
03:24would definitely recommend you do that
03:26and then comparing against acch Sim
03:27Sports similar kind of equivalent
03:30strength bases throughout their lineup
03:31as well and these Sim magic bases do
03:33come in a little bit cheaper than those
03:34ones do and then comparing against Simi
03:36Cube 2 their entry level sport is kind
03:39of more equivalent to the uh to the
03:41alpha in this range so it's kind of like
03:43one step up but all of their bases are
03:45quite significantly more expensive than
03:47what we find within the Sim magic
03:48ecosystem so that gives you a kind of
03:50Base point for comparison and again
03:52check out our full detailed reviews of
03:53all those products we will be revisiting
03:55the simu cube ecosystem over the next
03:57few months as well so make sure you're
03:59subscribed to so you don't miss out on
04:00those videos that's going to be really
04:01exciting to go through all those again
04:03for you guys so moving on from pricing
04:05now I think the first thing that is
04:07important to consider here is the wider
04:09ecosystems now as I mentioned earlier we
04:11do have the full ecosystem overview
04:13video for SIM magic and I would
04:15definitely want to again recommend
04:16checking that out if you haven't already
04:17but look to give you an understanding of
04:20why I'm placing so much weight on this
04:21overall ecosystem business is because
04:24look honestly and you guys have heard me
04:25say this in a few videos recently all of
04:28these modern direct drive wheel bases
04:30whether it's Sim magic Mozza acch simic
04:34Cube fitech even C now are pretty darn
04:36good as well vrs is another one all of
04:39those are providing a really fantastic
04:41force feedback quality these days and I
04:43think what what tends to happen is we we
04:45maybe get caught in the Trap of looking
04:47at the highest number that we can get in
04:49terms of peak strength for the lowest
04:51amount of money and kind of basing our
04:52decision primarily around that what I
04:55really want to try and get get across to
04:57you guys is that that perhaps isn't as
04:59important as it used to be it's it's
05:01kind of you know we we need to
05:02acknowledge that most people are going
05:04to find that somewhere between the 10
05:06and 15 newm Mark in terms of peak
05:07strength is more than likely going to be
05:10strong enough for for pretty much
05:11everybody unless you've got a lot of
05:13upper body strength unless you're a
05:14bodybuilder or something like that so
05:16you know the the reason I say that is
05:17because you never want to be in a
05:19situation where the car is driving you
05:21rather than you driving the car you
05:22always want to be the one controlling
05:24the car and you know I find that the
05:26majority of people I speak to that that
05:29ends up somewhere between that 12 and 14
05:31or 15 newm Mark so what you really want
05:34to do is zoom out and look at the wider
05:35ecosystem what other Hardware is
05:37available what's the quality like uh
05:39within each ecosystem and how much gear
05:40do they actually have available and that
05:41was one of the reasons why if you saw my
05:43video at the end of last year going
05:45through my Top Sim racing products for
05:47the year uh I was pretty harsh on
05:50Logitech with their G Pro Series simply
05:52because that wheelbase and their pedals
05:53are actually pretty good value and they
05:55provide a very good driving experience
05:56but they don't have that wider ecosystem
05:58they haven't expanded they hav haven't
05:59offered new Wheels they haven't offered
06:01a PR line shifter or handbrake or
06:03anything like that and I know that's
06:05something that's really disappointing
06:06for those who have bought into that
06:07ecosystem on the expectation that they
06:09would have access to higher quality
06:10peripherals but also for people that are
06:12looking at buying gear they may be
06:15sueded towards those products for
06:16certain reasons but then ultimately end
06:18up buying something else because they
06:19don't have the support of other
06:21accessories available within their
06:22ecosystem so make sure you do your
06:24research there again we have detailed
06:26review videos of pretty much everything
06:27available here on the channel so you can
06:29see exact what you're getting yourself
06:30into but in the case of the Sim magic
06:32stuff as you saw in that previous video
06:34they have a really really solid
06:35ecosystem now uh really really impressed
06:38with it their shifters their handbrakes
06:39their pedals even all very very good and
06:42their wheels are fantastic now too the
06:44uh we just reviewed the Neo wheel just
06:46recently which is actually my pick for
06:48the best value wheel in Sim racing at
06:50this point in time really really
06:52fantastic quality for the price point
06:54and you know this is something that
06:55they've really really nailed in terms of
06:57value for money within the Sim magic
06:58ecosystem so that is that is a very big
07:02strength for Sim magic before you even
07:03start to get into the quality the force
07:05feedback and whatnot now if we compare
07:07against some of the other ecosystems uh
07:09Mozza do have a pretty extensive
07:11ecosystem these days um what I would say
07:14there is their wheels just don't quite
07:16have the same quality feel that Sim
07:18magic do now Sim magic wheels are maybe
07:20a touch more expensive than some of the
07:22Mozza ones are so if you're really after
07:24you know the best bang for buck then you
07:26know maybe you'll be absolutely fine
07:28with Mozza Wheels but again check out
07:29our detailed reviews of all of those and
07:30you'll see for yourselves to some of
07:32those little things in terms of quality
07:34I just feel like Sim magic provides a
07:36more premium experience in terms of look
07:37and feel you know all all those things
07:39that may or may not be important to you
07:42comparing against fitech then they do
07:43have a more extensive ecosystem more
07:45Wheels available uh I would say that
07:47their shifter and their handbrake is
07:49nowhere near the quality of what's
07:51available within the Sim magic ecosystem
07:53they're a little bit last generation
07:54maybe more than a little bit last
07:56generation I would say in terms of their
07:57handbrake and their shift up Sim magic
07:59definitely have the upper hand there but
08:01fitech of course have a much larger
08:03selection of different wheels at various
08:04different price points now it is worth
08:06noting there as well that Sim magic
08:08don't lock out the force feedback so you
08:10are free to use any wheel that you want
08:13uh and as long as you've got a as long
08:14as you get an NRG star quick release and
08:15some way of connecting that wheel to
08:17your PC you are free to do that on Sim
08:19magic without the need for any expensive
08:21adapters fitech on the other hand do
08:23lock out force feedback so if you're not
08:24using an emulator from a third party or
08:26one of their hubs whether it be the
08:28universal hub or the podium hub
08:29uh you will have that additional cost so
08:31that is definitely something that's
08:32worth considering and again definitely
08:34an advantage to looking at some of these
08:36other ecosystems including Sim magic but
08:38they do have a more extensive native
08:40ecosystem than Sim magic does at this
08:41point in time having said that Sim magic
08:43have expanded a lot over the last couple
08:45of years I have to I have to keep
08:46remembering back that it was only you
08:48know four or five years ago now that we
08:50reviewed the uh Sim magic M10 which was
08:52the only product they had and we were
08:54really unimpressed with it at the time
08:55and you know they really have come a
08:56long way since then which is really
08:58fantastic to see more competition in the
09:00space is always a good thing uh so
09:02that's Mozza and and fitech kind of
09:04covered there again check out the full
09:06detailed reviews for the entire
09:07breakdown of that talking about acch now
09:10acch have come quite a long way in the
09:12last year they are a much newer brand to
09:13sim racing than Sim magic are forcb
09:16quality aside because we'll get into
09:17that later on I would say that Sim magic
09:20probably have an advantage in terms of
09:22their overall ecosystem at this point in
09:23time we haven't seen a shifter or
09:25handbrake from acch just yet they have
09:26just released a new button box with a
09:28selection of different Wheels check the
09:29video link down in the description below
09:31for the full breakdown of that but not
09:32quite as an extensive ecosystem as what
09:35we find with Sim magic at this point in
09:36time and then comparing against simic
09:38Cube they don't really have a lot to
09:40offer in terms of wi ecosystem they
09:42don't have shifters they don't have
09:43handbrakes uh they do have pedals but
09:45they're extremely expensive uh and they
09:47do have a small selection of Wheels
09:49which look for in terms of value for
09:51money I don't actually rate all that
09:53highly they're good wheels for what they
09:54are but really Sim simic cube is
09:56generally considered a more open
09:58ecosystem it isn't really any more open
10:00than any of these other products other
10:01than fitech but you know most people
10:04that are buying SIM Cube bases are
10:06buying them with the expectation that
10:07they're not going to be buying a semic
10:08cube wheel they're most likely going to
10:09be buying you know Cube controls Asher
10:11GSI you know one of those other brands
10:13and again we do have a massive library
10:15of dedicated wheel reviews which you can
10:16check out right here on the channel as
10:18well so to summarize that for you guys I
10:20would say sim magic are probably about
10:22on par with Mozza at this point in time
10:25in terms of their ecosystem maybe a
10:28little bit behind just in terms of the
10:31um the the value for money prospect
10:33there simply because although I rate Sim
10:36Magic's gear higher than mozas for the
10:39same kind of price point Mozza do have a
10:41larger selection of different
10:42peripherals at different price points so
10:43they do have some cheaper pedals
10:45available whereas Sim magic do seem to
10:46be focusing more on that kind of mid to
10:49high level uh part of the market now
10:51having said that because these are PC
10:53compatible products you can use whatever
10:55pedals and peripherals you want so you
10:56know it's only really a consideration if
10:58you want to stay within the one
11:00ecosystem but I do really like what SIM
11:02magic have done in terms of having a
11:04wide variety of um high quality Sim
11:06racing gear that you can plug in it all
11:07runs through the same software package
11:09and it's it's just easy it just works
11:11and uh yeah they've done a really good
11:13job there so that is ecosystem again
11:15check out our full breakdown of the Sim
11:17magic ecosystem and the experience there
11:18if you're wanting more information on
11:19that that gives you an idea of where
11:22this sits compared to other products
11:24what I want to do now is uh get into the
11:26force feedback and the driving
11:28experience with these bases so I want to
11:30start off by plugging this into a PC on
11:32the desk here and running you through
11:34some of the options that are available
11:35in terms of configuration with these
11:37wheelbases what kind of tuning options
11:38are available and how that relates back
11:41to the driving experience and then we'll
11:42close that off and get right into the
11:44driving experience and comparisons okay
11:46so let's take a quick look at the
11:47software now as it pertains to the
11:49wheelbase and Driving Experience
11:51specifically now again if you check out
11:53a previous ecosystem overview video we
11:55went through all the various different
11:56tabs and showed you what the wider
11:57software package looks like and how all
11:59operates just to give you a super super
12:01super quick rund down here you do have
12:03tabs across the bottom for all of their
12:04various peripherals so you would click
12:06on each one of those individually to
12:07load up the settings pertaining to that
12:09particular device we also have presets
12:11of various different games settings
12:13updates uh firmware flashing all that
12:15stuff all built into the one software
12:16package the idea is that you can do
12:17everything you need to do all through
12:19the one software package you don't have
12:20to have separate software like you do
12:22with fanalab for example in fanch or
12:24simic cube has separate software between
12:26their pedals and their wheelbases for
12:28example although I believe they will
12:29ultimately be bringing that together as
12:31it stands right now with Mozza acch vrs
12:35as of recently and Sim magic as you see
12:37here uh all integrated into one piece of
12:40software so let's quickly run through
12:41the settings available for fine-tuning
12:43the driving experience as it pertains to
12:45the wheelbase specifically you can see
12:47I've got the alpha U connected to the PC
12:49here I've done that simply so that we
12:51have the maximum torque or dynamic range
12:54scalable all the way up to 23 newm if
12:56you had the alpha connected this slider
12:58would max out at 15 new M and the mini
13:01it would be 10 everything else here in
13:02terms of adjustments is all exactly the
13:04same uh between all three models now
13:07just quickly as a point of reference
13:08here as well within the uh simic Cube 2
13:10ecosystem uh the pro and the sport have
13:13the same adjustments the ultimate
13:15actually has a couple of additional
13:16options uh which look honestly I've
13:18never really felt a significant
13:20difference between tweaking those
13:21settings anyway but just so you know
13:23there are a couple of extra tweaks that
13:24you can make on a c Cube 2 if you buy
13:27the ultimate but let's run through these
13:28now so so you've got your angle
13:29adjustment here one interesting thing is
13:32you'll see I've got a -7 here on my uh
13:34steering now I found when we were
13:36driving and this was the same across all
13:38these wheelbases and has been every
13:40single time we've tested Sim magic
13:42products um regardless of the PC that we
13:44have it installed on as well I've
13:45probably tested across five or six
13:47different PCS over the years I always
13:49find that uh it's a little bit awkward
13:51to calibrate the center you calibrate
13:53the center to the exact center and then
13:55when you jump into the game it's always
13:57a little bit offset to the right by 7 de
13:59so what I found is if I just tilt my
14:01steering 7° to the left or- 7° and
14:04calibrate that as Center then inside the
14:06game it seems to be correct so I'm not
14:08sure it's it's always been the case not
14:10sure why that is still the case let us
14:12know in the comments down below if
14:12you've had that experience too maybe
14:13it's something I'm doing wrong I don't
14:15know but it's as I said it's always been
14:17the case across everywhere that we've
14:18tested Sim magic bases so interesting
14:20but anyway let's move on here now all
14:22these other settings you'll notice we've
14:24got these little question marks and they
14:25do have very well written tool tips for
14:28pretty much all these now so you can pop
14:30up and see exactly what it is that
14:32you're adjusting and the impact that
14:34that has on your uh on your driving
14:36experience so this is pretty uniform
14:37across most brands these days gives you
14:39a nice little explanation of what each
14:41of these settings does but to give you
14:42the quick rund down here angle that is
14:43your sensitivity so in the case of these
14:46wheelbases it's adjustable between 90°
14:49not that you'd ever want to go that low
14:50lowest most people would ever go is
14:51about 360 for F1 style cars for example
14:54uh you can wind this all the way up to
14:572520 de for your truck Sim style driving
15:01we're going to jump that back to 900 for
15:02now uh we got angle presets here as well
15:05which you can manage uh speaking of
15:06presets actually that is one thing that
15:08they've just recently added to this Sim
15:10pro software is the ability to export
15:12and share your profiles which is
15:14something we see in most other
15:15ecosystems these days so great to see it
15:18here we've got our hard lock angle here
15:19as well so because direct drive
15:20wheelbases can mechanically spin
15:23infinitely you can place a hard lock so
15:25you feel a bump stop when you reach the
15:26end of your angle adjustment here so you
15:29can see at the moment it's set to 900 to
15:31match our angle if we increase that you
15:33can see the scope of adjustment here
15:35increases as well if we wind that up to
15:372520 you can see it goes up here too so
15:39say for example you wanted to have your
15:40sensitivity set to 2520 but you wanted
15:43to actually feel that mechanical bump
15:45stop at 900° you can do that I don't
15:48really know of any scenario where you
15:50would want to do that but you can if you
15:52want to uh we've got the strength of the
15:54hard limit as well so again because it's
15:56not a mechanical bump stop you can
15:57adjust between a soft normal or a firm
16:00feeling when you reach the end I
16:01generally will run normal or firm
16:03because that's how it feels in most real
16:05life cars you kind of hit that hard bump
16:06stop and the steering doesn't go any
16:08further so moving across now into our
16:10force feedback settings up the top line
16:12here we've got a adjustment for force
16:14feedback as well as maximum torque now
16:16the maximum torque adjustment you can
16:18think of as a dynamic range adjustment
16:21so what I would generally recommend
16:23doing here and this is the case for any
16:24wheelbase is setting this to the maximum
16:26amount of torque that you ever want to
16:28feel through the steering even in the
16:29event of like a massive crash or
16:31something like that so the wheels going
16:32absolutely crazy I generally limit this
16:35to around the sort of 15 newon meter
16:37Mark for most wheelbases because that's
16:38the most amount of torque that I ever
16:40want to have go through the wheel under
16:42any sort of scenario including crashes
16:44so what that's doing is it's actually
16:45limiting the dynamic range of the
16:47wheelbase to that 15 newm Mark and then
16:49over on the Le hand side here you can
16:51see we've got our force feedback
16:52adjustment this is the strength of the
16:54force feedback within that dynamic range
16:57so you can imagine if you've got it's
16:59set to say 23 newm you can use the full
17:01dynamic range of the motor so it's going
17:03to be able to produce any strength force
17:05feedback between Z and that 23 new M and
17:09then the force feedback adjustment here
17:11on the left hand side will reduce or
17:13scale the force feedback within that
17:15available dynamic range if that makes
17:17sense so generally they recommend you
17:19have this set somewhere between what did
17:21they say 70 and 100% I would generally
17:24recommend having this set to 100% And
17:27then reducing the force feedback in
17:28inside the game if you are finding that
17:30you're running into clipping now
17:31clipping is a bit of an interesting one
17:33we'll talk about this a little bit more
17:34when we get into the driving experience
17:36but basically the argument for having
17:38more dynamic range or a stronger
17:39wheelbase is uh generally the motors
17:41will have a little bit more
17:42responsiveness or a faster slew rate but
17:44also having that available dynamic range
17:46means that you can Spike up to those
17:48really strong force feedback events like
17:50crashes without running into clipping I
17:52would argue that for the majority of
17:54people what the force feedback feels
17:56like in the event of a massive crash
17:58isn't overly important as long as it's
18:00not clipping when you're running over
18:01Ripple strips or wrestling the car
18:02through corners like oruse for example
18:05um you know as long as you're not
18:05clipping in those scenarios it doesn't
18:07really matter but again let me know in
18:09the comments what you think of that
18:10what's your experience been like but
18:11that's my recommendation in terms of
18:13these two settings we then have an
18:14adjustment for smoothest this is
18:15basically just filtering the signal
18:17that's coming out of the game so in the
18:19uh in the example of say iRacing for
18:21example which runs a lower force
18:23feedback frequency of 60 HZ you may find
18:26that you want to run a little bit more
18:27smoothness here we then move down into
18:29our vehicle settings so wheel rotation
18:30speed this is basically how responsive
18:32the wheel feels overall so for things
18:35like drifting you probably find you want
18:36to go to higher values depending on the
18:38car you're driving and the diameter of
18:40your wheel you don't want to go so far
18:41that the wheel just completely snaps you
18:43want it to kind of match the rotation of
18:45the car so as the car swings out the
18:46wheel just kind of will naturally go to
18:48the position at want so you're going to
18:49need to fiddle around with that for most
18:51sort of GT style driving what do they
18:53have is their default setting so if we
18:54go to a setto corser for example and
18:56revert to defaults you can see they got
18:59their re rotation speed actually set
19:01quite low there then force feedback
19:03detail this enhances things like Road
19:04textures Ripple strips and whatnot so
19:06you can fiddle around with that I find
19:08that if I go too high on this the force
19:10feedback does start to feel a little bit
19:11robotic but we'll cover that when we get
19:12into Driving Experience in just a minute
19:14they actually mention here as well in
19:16their tool tip that a higher value may
19:18increase noise and heat while driving we
19:21then move over on to our mechanical
19:23adjustments there is a little tab here
19:24for other effects too so we've got an
19:26adjustment here for mechanical spring
19:27this is basically just an overarching
19:29Force which forces the wheel to return
19:31to Center generally more useful for Sims
19:34that don't support force feedback most
19:35games that have force feedback support
19:37these days include some sort of a
19:39centering Force anyway so you're
19:40generally going to find you're going to
19:41have that set to zero most of the time
19:43Center damper pretty self-explanatory
19:45you guys can see on the screen exactly
19:46what that does and then we've got an
19:48inertia spring damper and friction
19:49setting that actually modify the signals
19:51coming out of the game so these are like
19:53game filters you could say as opposed to
19:55driver and firmware level adjustments
19:56like what we see on the right hand
19:58inside here so we then have our maximum
20:01talk we already talked about that our
20:03mechanical damper setting so adjust the
20:05amount of damping applied to the wheel
20:07as it rotates uh this is a constant
20:09effect that adds smooth resistance to
20:11the wheel which can help dampen sharp
20:12force feedback effects and give the
20:14wheel a richer feel so it's kind of it's
20:17a bit of a balancing act here and again
20:18the value that you want to have here
20:20will depend on the Sim and the car that
20:21you're driving but it just gives that uh
20:24it gives that sensation along with
20:25friction and inertia of being
20:26mechanically connected to something
20:28inside the car rather than just being
20:29connected to an electric motor one of
20:31the things you'll notice with Sim magic
20:32Motors is they don't have a lot of uh
20:35rotating Mass so the motor shaft itself
20:37doesn't actually have a lot of natural
20:39inertia obviously you will add some
20:40inertia with the weight of the wheel
20:42connected to it but having the
20:43adjustment here allows you to create
20:45that uh create that sensation in the
20:47absence of having it in real life
20:48similarly friction does pretty much
20:50exactly what it says here adds a little
20:52bit of friction so the sensation of more
20:54weight behind the wheel inertia again
20:56pretty self-explanatory here gives the
20:58sensation of there being some weight
20:59that's sort of fighting against you as
21:01you stop rotating the wheel so as you
21:02rotate the wheel you feel the wheel kind
21:04of continuing to want to try and turn
21:06which simulates being connected to you
21:08know big heavy wheels and tires the
21:10contact patch on the road and whatnot so
21:13I actually tend to run these kinds of
21:14filters a little bit higher than a lot
21:16of other people do because I like to
21:18have a nice smooth and mechanically
21:20authentic feeling steering wheel but
21:22that does come at the loss of detail
21:23pretty much across the board with any
21:25direct drive wheel base so it's very
21:26much a subjective thing I do get
21:27criticized quite a bit for how high I
21:30tend to run these types of filters but
21:31this is actually what you're seeing on
21:32the screen now is just the default
21:34cooked in profile for accetto corser uh
21:37so that is inertia and then feedback
21:38frequency what does it say about this
21:40Sim magic zero latency force feedback
21:42upsampling algorithm converts low
21:44frequency force feedback signals into
21:45high quality signals so it's basically
21:47an interpolation filter or
21:48reconstruction filter as uh similar to
21:51what we find across most high-end Brands
21:54these days so that is a quick rundown on
21:56the settings that you get in terms of
21:58force feedback adjustment I would say
22:00pretty much on par in terms of useful
22:01stuff here to what you find from most
22:03Major Brands as I mentioned simic Cube
22:05does have a little bit more that you can
22:06tweak here whether or not that's really
22:08useful in the in the real world is kind
22:10of debatable I found across all three of
22:12these wheelbases I was able to dial this
22:14in within the limitations of the motor
22:16characteristics themselves to feel
22:17really quite authentic so no real
22:19complaints there and I like the fact
22:20that it's nice and approachable there
22:22aren't a whole bunch of settings here
22:24that you know you have no idea what it
22:25means if you're coming into this for the
22:27first time I don't think think that
22:28you're going to be overwhelmed you can
22:29kind of hover over each one of these and
22:32uh you know see what's going on there's
22:33plenty of Community Support as well in
22:34their Discord people are sharing their
22:36profiles now that you have the ability
22:37to import them and share as well that
22:38makes it a lot easier so you don't have
22:40to dial things in yourself copying
22:41screenshots and whatnot and they do have
22:43a lot of cooked in profiles here as well
22:45for all the major titles including
22:48things like BNG and I was impressed to
22:50see that they've already got a profile
22:51here for lemon ultimate both GTE and
22:54hybrid cars so obviously they're on top
22:56of these things which is really really
22:58good to see see but let's move on from
22:59the software now and get into we'll talk
23:02a little bit about the mechanical design
23:03of these compared to some of the
23:05competitors and then get into the
23:06Driving Experience so let's quickly have
23:08a little chat about the physical
23:10hardware and I mean I think there's
23:12already a lot of things that people
23:14straight away will recognize and like
23:15about all three of these products I love
23:17how clean and simple the design is
23:19particularly you know when we look at
23:20things like the Turtle Beach wheel base
23:22that we looked at just a couple of weeks
23:23ago we posted a picture of the internals
23:25of that and you could see that it had a
23:26motor that looked similar to this all be
23:28at a lot smaller um internally and a lot
23:30of people commented why don't they just
23:31make it look like that and not have all
23:33this plastic shell around it even
23:35compared to say the Moz R16 and 21 as
23:38well I really like this nice clean
23:39design I love the fact that these motors
23:41have nice um threads in the front here
23:44and this of course just allows them to
23:45bolt into any semic Cube style front
23:47mount which is really really nice and
23:49clean so nice and simple in that way
23:51there's nothing at all here that doesn't
23:52need to be here in terms of inputs and
23:54outputs as well I like the fact that
23:55they've put them on the sides so you've
23:57got your DC jack input here your USB
23:59connection on the side and then if we
24:00flip one of the bases around you can see
24:02on the opposing side we've got a canas
24:04USB port which we haven't I believe seen
24:06any use for just yet but at some point
24:09in the future I assume there'll be some
24:10sort of peripherals that they'll release
24:11that will make use of that and all three
24:13models do also have a RJ Jack here for
24:16their emergency stop button which is a
24:17nice touch a lot of other wheelbases the
24:19more entry level models within their
24:21ecosystem emit that so great that they
24:23include that I do personally believe and
24:25you guys have heard me say it on
24:26numerous videos now an e stop is
24:28important thing on any direct drive
24:29wheelbase because if a small child gets
24:31caught up or something like that or you
24:32get a tie or a piece of clothing mixed
24:34up in the wheel or even a USB cable it
24:36can cause unnecessary damage whereas if
24:38you have an EOP button you can just hit
24:39it quickly and then we've got the quick
24:41release system which again we've covered
24:42extensively in that previous ecosystem
24:43overview but just to give you the quick
24:45rundown on this I think it's one of the
24:46best if not the best OEM quick releases
24:49available within Sim racing fench have
24:51caught up now with their qr2 the AC Tech
24:54quick release is quite nice as well of
24:56course Mozza used the same stock quick
24:57release as this is well so it's an NRG
24:59style quick release allows you to use
25:00any NRG style adapter for any third
25:03party wheel that you want and it just
25:04has these additional pins inside which
25:06transmit power across and the wheel
25:08connects to the wheelbase via a
25:09proprietary Bluetooth protocol now with
25:11the very early wheelbases from SIM magic
25:13like the M10 years ago we did have a
25:15couple of communication issues happy to
25:17report I haven't had any issues at all
25:18across any of these three wheelbases
25:20with any of the Sim magic wheels that
25:22they sent us to check uh at all so plug
25:24it in everything has just worked
25:25Straight Out of the Box no issues there
25:27whatsoever over to speak of we did have
25:29a couple of disconnection issues I can't
25:30remember if that happened prior to the
25:32previous video I may have mentioned it
25:34in that ecosystem overview video if not
25:36it must have been something that
25:36occurred slightly after but uh that said
25:39with the more recent firmware revisions
25:41and software revisions that hasn't been
25:43an issue at all so nice to see the
25:45improvements there too and yeah
25:46absolutely no discernable Flex or slop
25:48or anything like that no free play in
25:51any of the quick release combinations
25:52that we've tested obviously there's
25:53always a little bit of mechanical
25:55tolerance in the Machining but with
25:56these ball bearings that pop into place
25:58here to hold everything in place haven't
26:00had any issues whatsoever to speak of so
26:02absolutely no complaints there
26:03whatsoever I think they've done a really
26:05really good job and probably I think
26:06they're punching above their weight in
26:07terms of price point in terms of the
26:09overall build quality and the
26:11presentation of all these products and
26:12that goes for their wheels and their
26:14other peripherals as well I really do
26:15feel like you know that the the quality
26:17that you're getting for your money and
26:19just the way it looks and feels in your
26:20hands it really does look and feel like
26:22a premium product in my opinion every
26:24bit as good at least at face value as
26:27likes of simic cube so yeah absolutely
26:29no complaints whatsoever in terms of the
26:31hardware I think they've done a really
26:32really good job let's move on now into
26:35the Driving Experience now I want to
26:36split this into talking about the
26:38comparison between these three
26:39wheelbases specifically and then we'll
26:41unpack that a little bit further and
26:43talk about comparisons with some
26:44competitive products as well so starting
26:46out with these three guys now I've um
26:49I've seen questioned quite a bit and
26:50questioned myself uh exactly how these
26:53fall into the market in terms of both
26:55their overall strength and the slew of
26:58these motors or the responsiveness of
27:00these motors too now I actually went to
27:02Tyler who is one of the owners I believe
27:05at Sim magic and asked him directly
27:07about both of those questions now his
27:09response with regards to holding talk
27:11and I'll read this out verbatim for you
27:13guys to see you have exactly what he
27:14said he said hey Will for us holding
27:16talk and Peak talk are industrial
27:18Concepts we are a motor custom built for
27:21Sim racing so we cannot explain using
27:23industrial Concepts fair enough uh we
27:25refer to it as maximum talk and you'll
27:27see that in specs on their website if
27:29you go onto any of these motors and
27:30these principles apply to simic Cube and
27:32acch as well so what he means by that is
27:35that every manufacturer is going to have
27:37their own way of measuring Peak torque
27:38or holding torque and you know if you
27:40look at fitech recent marketing with
27:42their new csdd and DD plus bases you'll
27:44see they included a graph which showed
27:46the amount of time that it could hold
27:48that maximum amount of talk and how it
27:49rolled off over time look realistically
27:52under real life driving scenarios you're
27:54unlikely to ever actually reproduce a uh
27:57a scenario like that anyway you're never
27:59going to be holding full torque in a
28:01corner for more than a couple of seconds
28:02even with oval racing so other than just
28:04like driving around in circles on a skid
28:06pan for example I can't really think of
28:08another scenario where that would really
28:10come into play so what he's saying there
28:11does make sense I know some people will
28:13hear that and think that they're trying
28:14to hide something I mean maybe they are
28:17I don't know but so what I can tell you
28:19is that all three of these bases I feel
28:21like in terms of peak strength do
28:23actually punch above their weight I
28:25would say that the alpha mini which they
28:26quote as 10 new M feels more similar to
28:28the 12 new M that you get with the uh
28:31with the csdd for example the alpha at
28:34its 15 new M feels quite similar to the
28:36semic cube 2 Sport and the DD Plus in
28:39terms of overall strength and then the
28:42alpha U that kind of sits out on its own
28:44a little bit there's not really much
28:45else that sits around this kind of
28:47strength maybe the vrs direct Force Pro
28:48but look the reality with the alpha U is
28:51that it's far more strength than I think
28:52anybody's ever going to need and uh so
28:55it kind of becomes a bit of a Mot Point
28:56once you get up into those those ranges
28:59above about that 15 newm Mark at least
29:01in my opinion so that's what they have
29:03to say about Peak or holding torque or
29:05strength and then with regards to slew
29:08rate my question to him was uh I'll read
29:10it to you exactly I said other question
29:12I had is do you have the slew rates
29:13available for all three models please
29:15and his response was as for slw rate we
29:18haven't overly focused on this and
29:20you'll notice in their literature they
29:21never actually State a slew rate at all
29:24our focus is on balancing slew rate and
29:26inertia just as lighter Wheels can
29:28achieve more direct force feedback and
29:29we were actually talking about that just
29:30before with regards to the uh the
29:32rotating mass of the motor shafts on
29:34these guys so uh then he goes on to say
29:36in terms of the motor itself inertia
29:38refers to the weight of the motor rotor
29:41uh if you were to manually rotate the
29:42motor you would noticeably feel that our
29:44rotor is lighter which again is what we
29:46were just talking about so uh yeah I I
29:48think that that's a okay answer it's not
29:49really giving me the numbers that I was
29:50looking for but I think it's a fair
29:52enough point so the reason why I was
29:53asking about those slew rates
29:55specifically was because look honestly I
29:57can't Fe feel a difference in
29:59responsiveness between any of these
30:01three designs which actually really
30:03surprised me I expected that I might
30:05find that the overall Driving Experience
30:07and the sharpness that I felt with the
30:09uh with the alpha U may be a massive
30:11Step Above what it was with the Alpha
30:14and the minis especially so look the
30:16reality was um and I think you probably
30:18can already tell where I'm going with
30:19this if 10 new M of strength is enough
30:21for you then the mini is absolutely fine
30:23if you feel like you need more than that
30:26go with the alpha honestly I can't see
30:28many scenarios where somebody would need
30:29to go as far as having the alpha U as I
30:32was explaining before it does have the
30:34uh it does have the advantage of giving
30:36you more dynamic range look I don't
30:38really feel like under any normal
30:39driving scenarios you need more than 15
30:41newm of torque it's only really going to
30:43be uh you know under crash scenarios
30:45where you would experience higher levels
30:46than that and you know I come back to
30:48what I was saying earlier about not
30:50wanting to be in a situation where the
30:52car is driving you rather than you
30:53driving the car we can crank the force
30:55feedback right up and uh we might
30:57actually include a little clip of me
30:58driving around at at Absolute 100% force
31:01feedback on the alpha U here for you
31:02guys so you can see how much I'm
31:04struggling to just get the car around
31:05the track now obviously somebody that's
31:07a lot stronger than me wouldn't be
31:08struggling as much as me but the the
31:10point is that again you want to be
31:12driving the car rather than the car
31:13driving you and I feel like majority of
31:15people that level is going to fall
31:16somewhere between about 10 and 14 15
31:19newton M so I would say if you've got a
31:22similar build to me or smaller then I
31:24would say you're probably not going to
31:25notice any significant benefit from
31:27spending the extra money on the alpha U
31:29and you should probably go with the uh
31:30with the alpha if you're a Drifter that
31:33doesn't need strong force feedback or
31:34you just don't think you're going to
31:35need that additional strength then the
31:37mini is absolutely fine in reality for
31:39me when I was driving with the mini
31:41having just driven with the U and the
31:43alpha I did find that it was a little
31:45bit on the weak side for me I was
31:47finding that I was running into clipping
31:48a little bit and I was having to turn
31:49the force feedback down a little bit
31:51further than I otherwise would but that
31:53is coming from somebody that's used to
31:54running a semic cube to Ultimate on my
31:56rig every day so I have the luxury of
31:59being able to produce those higher force
32:00feedback levels if I want them the
32:02reality is if this was the first direct
32:04drive wheelbase that I'd ever owned I
32:06would probably be absolutely okay with
32:07it and not feel any need to upgrade the
32:09mini is more likely to be something that
32:11you may want to upgrade from in the
32:12future as I think if you were to buy an
32:14alpha it's probably going to be your
32:16life wheelbase I think I think you're
32:17probably never going to feel compelled
32:18to upgrade this unless something with
32:20new technology comes out that improves
32:22other aspects of the driving experience
32:24and with regards to the U I just don't
32:27really see any justification for it over
32:29this guy unless you just got a huge
32:30amount of upper body strength yeah I
32:32just don't think that it's necessary so
32:34that is the rundown on the three of
32:35those my pick would be the alpha for
32:37future proofness but if your budget only
32:39extends as far as the mini I think
32:41you'll be absolutely fine with that as
32:42well how does the Driving Experience
32:44compare against competitors now look I
32:48uh spent I spent the better part of a
32:50week driving across all three of these
32:51models and then cross comparing against
32:53other wheelbases with their latest
32:55firmware and drivers including the new
32:57360 Hertz update for the simic cube 2
33:01bases in iRacing so I did test that
33:03extensively as well look testing all of
33:05the stuff back to back I think that
33:07these fall pretty cleanly into their
33:10price point within the market so what I
33:12mean by that is that I think that the
33:14quality of the force feedback is maybe a
33:16little bit more refined although we are
33:18talking about very fine margins here
33:20with the acch bases a little bit more
33:22granular detail there a little bit
33:24smoother overall I found that effects
33:27with all three of these bases and
33:28remembering again that they do feel
33:29similar give will take the uh the peak
33:31strength that's available on all three
33:33the Driving Experience here just felt a
33:35tiny little bit more robotic across the
33:38board and that was regardless of how I
33:39tweaked the settings as well now I'm not
33:40saying that the force feedback feels
33:42robotic overall I don't think anybody's
33:44going to have a problem with it it is
33:45very smooth and refined overall but when
33:47you when you're talking about those fine
33:48margins and the differences between
33:50different brands I would say that uh in
33:53my experience at least you know testing
33:55across all the various different Sims
33:56and testing across all the models
33:58atte did tend to feel just that little
34:00bit more refined a little bit smoother
34:03and a little bit more authentic but it
34:05is only a very very small amount whether
34:06or not it's worth the extra money to you
34:08all other things considered around
34:10ecosystem everything that we discussed
34:11in this video uh is really going to be
34:13up to you let's uh let's go back the
34:15other way and compare to Mozza as well
34:17look I find that Mozza wheelbases have
34:20fallen a little bit behind in terms of
34:22force feedback recently You' heard me
34:23talk about this a few times recently
34:25they've released quite a few software
34:26updates recently to try and fix various
34:28aspects and I've always found that
34:30there's a little bit more filtering
34:31required within Mozza wheelbases to get
34:34that authentic and smooth feeling out of
34:36it and in doing that to create that
34:38overall smoothness that's kind of
34:40inherent in most of the other ecosystems
34:42you do end up filtering out a lot of the
34:44granular detail that um is present on
34:46other wheelbases so there's a little bit
34:48more of a sacrifice or compromise uh to
34:51achieve smoothness in terms of granular
34:53detail with the Mozza bases now I don't
34:55think that it's a limitation of the
34:57hardware I think it's just that their
34:58software and their firmware is maybe a
35:00little bit behind where their
35:01competitors are at this point so like I
35:03think if you were buying into the Mozza
35:04ecosystem ultimately it'll likely get
35:07there but at this point in time I would
35:09say that these products do provide a
35:11better driving experience than their
35:12Mozza counterparts when you consider the
35:15physical design of these the quality of
35:16their other peripherals as well I do
35:18much prefer their p1000 pedals which
35:20we'll be looking at in a separate video
35:22very soon uh I do much prefer those to
35:24their CRP pedals or any of the other
35:26pedals that they offer in their
35:27ecosystem do have some cheaper options
35:29as we discussed earlier but look I'm
35:32just not a big fan of any of the Mozza
35:33pedals that are currently available I
35:34think that Sim magic have done a much
35:36better job there their shifters and
35:37their handbrakes and other peripherals
35:38are a little bit better as well although
35:40they are a bit more expensive so you got
35:41to factor that in to the equation as
35:43well but without rambling on here if I
35:44was choosing between Mozza and Sim magic
35:46right now I would definitely absolutely
35:48100% unequivocally choose Sim magic so
35:51how do they compare with the fitech csdd
35:53and DD plus now look it it is difficult
35:56to really make a comparison here at this
35:58point in time you probably already
35:59figured out what I'm going to say here
36:00we don't have full force working on
36:02those fitech bases at this point in time
36:04so really can't say what they're
36:06potentially capable of but what I would
36:08say is that at this point in time I do
36:10feel like both the csdd and the DD Plus
36:13have a little bit more refined similar
36:15to what we were talking about with
36:15acitech a little bit more refined detail
36:18there not necessarily any smoother than
36:21these are but very very very fine
36:23margins it would be very I think in a
36:24blind test it would be very very hard to
36:27pick between to at this point in time
36:28but we'll come back we'll Circle back to
36:30that and we'll talk about that a little
36:31bit more once we've got full force
36:32working at a couple games and we can
36:34compare them properly so that is the
36:36situation with fitech at this point in
36:37time at least compared to the uh the
36:39csdd and the DD plus also just of course
36:42consider there the native console
36:44compatibility you get with fitech and
36:46their wider ecosystem they do have a
36:47much larger selection of rims available
36:49and whatnot although as I mentioned
36:51earlier their other peripherals maybe
36:52aren't of the same quality level that
36:54Sim magic is at this point in time so
36:56we'll see what fitech does in the future
36:57I'm sure that they must be coming out
36:59with a new handbrake and a new shifter
37:01maybe even some new pedals pretty soon I
37:03don't have any inside information there
37:04don't read too much into that but I
37:06would be amazed if they didn't announce
37:07something hopefully sometime this year
37:10they're well well well overdue for both
37:11of those things so finally let's do a
37:14quick comparison with uh with simic Cube
37:16here as well now remembering that simic
37:17cube is significantly more expensive
37:20across all three levels remember also
37:22that uh the mini kind of sits outside
37:25their ecosystem it is quite a lot lower
37:27in terms of uh its strength so the the
37:30sport is more of a comparison to the
37:32alpha the uh the U is kind of somewhere
37:35in between the pro and the ultimate and
37:38then the ultimate kind of sits even
37:39higher again so what I would say there
37:42is that overall the the experience with
37:45the semic cuu bases is that little bit
37:47more refined similar to what we were
37:49talking about with the acch bases before
37:51very very smooth forc feedback similar
37:53kind of smoothness overall in terms of
37:56feeling the weight of the car the the
37:58the communication of the suspension and
38:00the contact patch of the road semic Cube
38:02and more recently a have always been my
38:04Benchmark in terms of feeling those
38:06aspects that are fundamentally important
38:08to feeling connected to the car and
38:10being able to drive quickly and
38:11consistently and I would say that that
38:13is almost at the same level with these
38:15Sim magic bases a negligible difference
38:18and I would say you know better value
38:19for money in the Sim magic ecosystem
38:21with regards to that where I think that
38:24acch and simic Cube 2 a little bit
38:28higher is just in that really granular
38:29detail things like Textures in the road
38:31Ripple strips grass surfaces and whatnot
38:34just have that little bit more detail on
38:37uh on the semic cube 2 bases than they
38:39do here and trying to dial that in
38:41across these three bases does result in
38:43a little bit more grainy feel a little
38:46bit more robotic feel uh and just not
38:48quite as refined as what you get on
38:50those simiq bases and I don't know
38:52whether it's just simply down to the
38:54motors that they're using here
38:56remembering again the price point is a
38:57lot lower maybe there are some
38:58sacrifices there I tend to lean towards
39:01it being more a a firmware based thing
39:04though which is good news because it
39:06means that ultimately hopefully they
39:07would be able to you know bring these up
39:08to the level of the simic cube bases but
39:11I just don't know that's that's a guess
39:12but I feel like overall the semic cubes
39:15are a slightly more refined product
39:17again we are talking very very fine
39:19tolerances here and you are of course
39:20paying a lot more for that privilege
39:23whether or not it's going to be worth it
39:24to you is going to be a very subjective
39:26thing for me having a experienced all
39:27these wheelbases I can honestly tell you
39:29that you know having having experienced
39:31something like a simic cube 2 Pro and
39:33ultimate you know having felt that
39:35detail that you know that real
39:37authenticity that you get through those
39:38bases and the AC Tech invictor as well
39:41it would be hard for me to go back to
39:43something like this having experienced
39:45that and I would probably you know in
39:46the back of my mind I'd always be
39:48thinking oh if only if only if only but
39:51you know you are spending a lot more
39:53money for that for that tiny little we
39:55we're talking the last few percent here
39:57so I think really where I where it what
40:00it comes down to for me is you know if
40:01you're stepping up from something like
40:03you know a Logitech g923 or a CSL DD you
40:06know a much more entry level based than
40:08what we're talking about here you're
40:09going to be absolutely Blown Away by the
40:11experience with any of these guys you're
40:12going to be absolutely happy with it and
40:13you're probably you know not going to
40:15feel compelled as I was saying before I
40:16think that you know the alpha would
40:18probably be a forever base for a lot of
40:20people if money just isn't an object for
40:21you then I would be lying if I didn't
40:23say that there is that little bit more
40:25to be had in some of those more
40:26expensive bases but it is a really
40:28really fine margin that we're talking
40:29about here and look at the end of the
40:31day I think they've done a really good
40:32job with all three of these products I
40:33think that they absolutely nail what
40:35they need to at the price point I'm
40:37hopeful that they will be able to refine
40:38that forc feedback a little bit further
40:40into the future but you know just
40:41looking at how far they've come since we
40:43originally reviewed the M10 many years
40:45ago now and even just in the last 6
40:46months that we've been getting back in
40:48and testing these products again they
40:50they' fixed a lot of the bugs that we
40:51experienced previously and they clearly
40:53care a lot about the community and uh
40:55you know are really passionate about
40:56what they doing which is really great to
40:58see so yeah where I sit on this one is I
41:00think that these are all fantastic value
41:01for money I think you're absolutely
41:03getting what you pay for and then some
41:05and uh yeah absolutely no reason not to
41:07recommend any of these products to uh to
41:09anybody that's looking at buying into an
41:11ecosystem for the first time so we will
41:13of course be unpacking this even further
41:14once we have full force working on those
41:17csdd and DD plus bases we also do as I
41:19mentioned earlier have the semic cube 2
41:21Sport Pro and the ultimate base that
41:23I've had on my rig for quite some time
41:24now so we are going to be revisiting
41:26those again in the next couple of months
41:28and talking about the experience of
41:29those in more detail how they compare
41:31across to others as well so yeah guys I
41:34really hope that today's video has
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