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The video discusses the Gamergate controversy, detailing Zoe Quinn's involvement in unethical behavior and corruption within the gaming industry. It highlights the impact of Gamergate on journalism ethics, game development, and cultural narratives. The segment emphasizes the need for transparency, integrity, and inclusivity in the gaming community, addressing issues of harassment, censorship, and accountability. The aftermath of Gamergate is explored, showcasing its lasting effects on individuals, careers, and industry practices. The discussion reflects on the challenges faced during Gamergate and the ongoing relevance of its themes in contemporary gaming culture.
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Similarities between Gamergate controversy from 10 years ago and current events are discussed.
00:54The speaker acknowledges previous mistakes in discussing Gamergate and aims to clarify and correct inaccuracies.
Importance of understanding the details of Gamergate is highlighted, with references to the Zoe post and Five Guys incident.
The speaker aims to provide a comprehensive overview of the topic for viewers.
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Zoe Quinn's relationships within the gaming industry and the controversy surrounding them.
03:39Nathan Grayson wrote an article about a game jam Quinn participated in before gamergate.
Quinn had undisclosed connections with influential figures in the industry.
Concerns were raised about corruption in indie game development and games journalism.
Quinn's reputation and credibility within the industry were impacted by her involvement in one-night stands with numerous individuals.
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Zoe Quinn's involvement in a game jam event sparked controversy due to alleged unethical behavior.
06:39Quinn was accused of sabotaging the event to eliminate competition.
She filed a false DMCA against a YouTuber discussing the situation, causing backlash.
The incident led to widespread discussions on social media and increased attention to the story.
Internet personalities like Mr. Meder and Sargon created videos on the topic, driving further attention and debate.
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Corruption and favoritism in the gaming industry.
09:24The speaker emphasizes the importance of objective journalism in reporting on unethical practices.
Examples of individuals supporting each other within the industry are highlighted.
A network of influence is suggested to exist within the gaming industry.
The segment discusses the prevalence of corruption and blurred lines between friendship and professional ethics.
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Widespread corruption in games journalism industry revealed.
11:48Various journalists implicated in unethical behavior such as backdoor deals and favors.
Connections between journalists Ben Cachera and Patricia Hernandez show collusion and manipulation.
Investigation expands from Zoe Quinn to broader industry issues, revealing systemic corruption and disdain for gamers.
'Gamergate' analogy exposes larger scandal, emphasizing depth of deception and unethical practices in industry.
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Overview of the Gamergate controversy.
13:51Unethical behavior within the gaming industry was highlighted, including a judge giving awards to a person he was in a relationship with.
Kotaku and Polygon updated their ethics codes in response to public pressure from Gamergate, prohibiting reporters from financially supporting developers.
The impact of cliquishness in the indie game scene and the importance of transparency in journalism were emphasized.
The segment discusses early victories and ongoing challenges faced during the Gamergate movement.
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Importance of disclosing financial relationships in journalism and content creation.
17:28Emphasis on the need for transparency in reporting and content creation.
Criticism of the video game industry for favoritism and ethical concerns.
Tribute to Total Biscuit for his ethical standards in game criticism.
Significance of maintaining integrity in journalism and content creation despite personal relationships or biases.
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Backlash for pointing out ethics issues in games industry.
18:25Conveying truth amid misinformation and complexity of the situation.
Difficulty of providing concise summary due to vast amount of information.
Potential scrutiny and misrepresentation on social media platforms.
Warning about negative articles and judgments based on online activity.
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Importance of Confidence and Transparency in Game Development
21:54Confidence in their work is crucial for game developers when facing criticism and negative reviews.
Transparency and honesty are key in building trust with gamers and customers.
Developers often tend to be defensive when receiving criticism instead of using it to improve.
Being open about their work and accepting feedback positively can lead to better reception and support from the gaming community.
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Importance of supporting individuals facing cancel culture in the gaming industry.
23:09Emphasis on the need for public support when someone is targeted, particularly focusing on ethical responsibilities of game developers and journalists.
Discussion on treatment of women in the industry, with tension and disagreement regarding fundraising efforts for women in game development.
Comparison of current events to past controversies like Gamergate, highlighting recurring themes and challenges faced in the gaming community.
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The origin of Gamergate and its transformation into a cultural war.
25:20Adam Baldwin's tweet sparked Gamergate, involving right-leaning figures like Milo Yiannopoulos and Mike Cernovich.
'Gamers are dead' articles criticized the gaming community, triggering debates on sexism, misogyny, and online attacks.
Increased partisan involvement in Gamergate led to questioning the identity of gamers.
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Media outlets coordinated to declare the death of gamers and the gamer identity, releasing articles with the same message in a short time frame.
28:12Articles were timed as a response to a controversy involving Zoe post, raising concerns about propaganda and journalistic integrity.
The first article was by Lei Alexander on Gamasutra, discussing deeper context and influence trading within the industry.
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Gamers were once portrayed as outcasts focused on violence and masculinity.
31:40The gaming press in the past primarily focused on product reviews and competitiveness.
Current need for spaces to discuss and support diverse perspectives in gaming culture.
Emphasis on creating a creative community and inclusive culture, moving away from past practices of negotiation and powerlessness.
Ongoing debates around ethics and inclusion in gaming journalism highlighted.
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Impact of culture on gaming and the aftermath of Gamergate.
34:10Lee Alexander's influence in narrative design and involvement in Gamergate is discussed.
Gamergate transformed into a contentious issue leading to tensions online.
Outrage and demands for accountability from celebrities were expressed by individuals.
Lasting effects of Gamergate on the gaming industry and community are explored.
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The Gamergate controversy created heated debates and division among individuals, similar to current events in 2020 with BLM and COVID.
36:27The controversy led to a cultural war online, impacting various online platforms and content creators.
Outlets generally took an anti-Gamergate stance, while YouTubers tended to support Gamergate.
The Escapist took a neutral position on the matter, deviating from prevailing trends.
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Impact of gamergate aftermath on the gaming community.
40:05Zoe Quinn criticized a company for allowing discussions on ethics post-gamergate.
Quinn sent a mob after the company, revealing ongoing tensions and lack of forgiveness.
Emphasis on understanding and moving beyond extreme actions in online controversies.
Highlighting the lasting effects of past events on individuals and organizations in the gaming community.
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Fear and consequences faced by individuals speaking out in the gaming industry during Gamergate controversy.
41:05Many feared losing their careers or being blacklisted for supporting gamers.
Importance of standing by one's beliefs and not giving in to peer pressure emphasized.
The Escapist faced backlash for remaining neutral in the controversy.
Discussion highlights challenges and risks of speaking out against powerful forces in the industry.
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Total Biscuit's involvement in Gamergate controversy and backlash.
44:02Total Biscuit, JonTron, and Boogie2988 were prominent figures in the controversy.
Total Biscuit faced criticism and mockery even after his death.
Boogie's stance shifted from ethics to stepping back due to culture war aspect.
Plans to involve Boogie in discussing Gamergate despite potential hesitations.
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Criticism of Total Biscuit posthumously for his involvement in Gamergate led to power struggles online.
45:52Progressives calling for changes in gaming culture were met with accusations of being transphobic or sexist.
Efforts to erase Total Biscuit's legacy, such as removing his face from Twitch, continued after his death.
The push to control narratives reflects a chilling effect on free expression in the gaming community.
Five years later, attempts to cancel Total Biscuit persist, showcasing the lasting impact of the Gamergate movement and its aftermath.
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Impact of 'Gamers are Dead' articles on gaming culture.
48:26Leaked mailing group exposes collusion among journalists to release pre-planned articles and exclude certain individuals from the industry.
Whistleblower 'one angry gamer' reveals unethical practices within the group, showcasing control over indie gaming scene entry by blacklisting developers.
Lack of transparency and integrity in gaming journalism highlighted, leading to backlash and demands for accountability.
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Highlights from Law and Order SVU episode 'Intimidation Game' featuring Logan Paul.
51:04The episode is inspired by the Gamergate controversy, with a group of angry gamers forming a terrorist group.
Logan Paul plays a character called a gamer Gator who kidnaps and attacks a woman game developer.
The storyline includes a FPS shootout scene and references to Kotaku, IC tea, garbling lines, and humorous Twitter responses.
This episode showcases Logan Paul's acting skills before his rise to fame in the entertainment industry.
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Panel discussion on ethics at SPJ event featuring pro-Gamergate and neutral members.
54:30Notable figures such as Milo and Alan Barari were in attendance.
Post-Gamergate, individuals like Oliver went their separate ways.
Both pro and anti-Gamergate members are still active in their respective activities.
Speaker reflects on surviving Gamergate and shares a related 14-second promo.
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Impact of gamergate on careers and individuals.
56:32Content creators like Dev experienced career growth by creating content around gamergate.
Society of Professional Journalists event disrupted by bomb threat from anti-gamergate individuals.
Documentary covering gamergate saga created.
Phil Fish's involvement in gamergate events highlighted, showing ongoing connections to controversy.
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Importance of learning from history and connecting past events to current happenings.
58:49Mention of celebrity appearances in television shows and the need for a new hashtag.
Discussion on Gamergate 2.0, focusing on deep lore and the recommendation of a documentary called AirPlay.
Clarification of the speaker's stance on harassment during Gamergate and the emphasis on not engaging in such behavior.
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Addressing harassment within the group and its impact on reputation.
01:01:31Despite warnings, some individuals continue to engage in harassment, damaging the group's image.
Skepticism is expressed about the frequency of harassment incidents, with a specific case involving Brianna Wu highlighted.
A conversation with Wu reveals her experiences of being harassed, leading to concerns about her reaction.
Controlling online trolls is challenging, and negative reactions to online harassment have significant consequences.
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Online harassment towards a woman is highlighted, particularly surrounding her dog's illness and receiving bullying comments.
01:03:33The woman's involvement in Gamergate and shift in perspective after a terrorist attack are discussed.
The speaker acknowledges the woman's past actions but struggles to sympathize due to the harm caused.
Doubts are raised about the lack of evidence for harassment claims and a willingness to disavow such behavior.
Some instances of witnessed harassment towards the woman are mentioned, but doubts are raised about the extent of the issue.
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Importance of Providing Proof in Online Harassment Claims.
01:06:40Speaker discusses online harassment and mentions an incident involving Brianna Wu and a controversial tweet.
Validity of the screenshot provided as evidence of harassment is questioned, suggesting it could have been obtained from notifications rather than being genuine.
Emphasizes the need for concrete evidence before believing harassment claims, especially in online spaces where false accusations can occur.
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Discussion on online harassment and skepticism regarding proof related to gamergate.
01:09:06Participants express skepticism and demand evidence before believing claims.
One participant recalls some details but admits to being far removed from the events due to living in Brazil.
The conversation shifts to memories and gratitude for the shared knowledge.
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Perception of Brazilians in the United States and increasing awareness of Brazilian gamers and content creators.
01:11:22Emphasis on respectful sharing of differing viewpoints and seeking proof and clarity in discussions.
Avoiding reliance on assumptions or generalizations in discussions.
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Discussion on online harassment during the Gamergate controversy.
01:14:23Contrasts debates within Gamergate camp with attacks from anti-Gamergate side.
Highlights misunderstanding of gaming space by those unfamiliar with it.
Emphasizes importance of not letting online harassment drive individuals away from the internet.
Cites personal experiences dealing with negative comments over the years.
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Harassment and pushback on social media platforms.
01:16:24Examples of individuals facing threats, misgendering, and derogatory comments.
Gamergate controversy and use of bot accounts to push specific messages.
Nick Monroe uncovering anti-Gamergate activities using bot accounts.
Dynamics of harassment flowing from pro to anti and vice versa during Gamergate.
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Influence of left-leaning views in cultural spaces like comic books and cinema.
01:19:44Examples of conflicts over racism allegations in communities like Gamergate and knitting.
Impact of progressives on non-left-leaning individuals in these spaces, leading to pushback.
Comparison of Donald Trump to the Gamergate controversy in politics.
Resilience of inclusive video games in the industry despite Gamergate controversy.
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Discussion on the ongoing impact of Gamergate.
01:22:21A thesis written for a masters program highlights the lasting impact of the controversy.
Comparison of the Covington Catholic incident to Gamergate.
Criticism of Gamergate as a hate movement targeting marginalized groups.
Censorship and debates related to Gamergate are still relevant in today's internet culture.
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Origins of the 'Not Your Shield' movement within Gamergate.
01:24:02The movement aimed to challenge the assumption that all critics were white men.
Women of color and diverse individuals joined to showcase diversity and push back against false accusations.
Anonymity online was deemed necessary due to potential repercussions.
The movement disrupted narratives, showcased varied backgrounds of supporters, and emphasized the importance of promoting inclusivity.
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Discussion on responding to Twitter trolls and laughing at their comments through live videos.
01:26:07Collage of diverse individuals, including lesbians and trans people, involved in Gamergate.
Road trip story leads to discussion on Gamergate in 2022 and criticism of BioWare games.
Reflection on fan disappointment with Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2, drawing parallels to Gamergate.
Emphasis on injection of left-wing politics into non-political Gamergate discussions.
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Impact of Gamergate on progressives and cultural battle.
01:28:35Blame of various events on Gamergate, including the Covid pandemic and Capitol Riot.
Fundraiser to support women in game development.
Zoe Quinn's involvement in sabotaging game jams.
Criticism of Zoe Quinn for her actions and impact on the gaming community.
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Zoe Quinn's manipulation tactics in the gaming industry.
01:31:45Zoe manipulated a fundraiser for women developers by promoting her own game idea and sabotaging competitors.
She collaborated with a friend to bring down a site through dosing, resulting in backlash.
The situation was framed as a social justice push, but was viewed as exploitative and unethical by the community.
Zoe's actions caused controversy and backlash in the gaming industry.
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Origin of Gamergate and its widespread influence.
01:33:43Blamed for hacking incidents and impacting the presidency.
Destruction of charity efforts and targeting of individuals like Zoe Quinn.
Despite fear tactics, a supportive community of over 130,000 people stands against such actions.
The internet community is organized and has a greater reach than traditional media outlets, combating negative narratives and misinformation.
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Investigation into Zoe Quinn and Maya Kramer reveals inaccuracies in Quinn's statements.
01:37:12Maya Kramer did PR for Quinn's games through Silver String Media.
Silver String Media is a game studio and narrative design firm based in Vancouver.
They have worked on games like Celeste, Krypto the Necro Dancer, and Tunic, offering consulting services and PR support.
The team at Silver String Media is diverse with unique voices.
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Criticism of company's marketing and content diversity.
01:40:11Tunic and Celeste praised for progressive elements.
Concerns about company's involvement in Independent Games Festival.
Allegations of inappropriate behavior by individual associated with company.
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Investigation into Aaron, Zoe, and Kramer's relationship and its ties to the Independent Games Festival.
01:42:45Kramer's involvement with the festival and connections to award winners from Silver String Media raise suspicions of corruption during Gamergate era.
Further investigation uncovers financial investments influencing outcomes of IGF awards.
Shift in focus to Phil Fish and Fez reveals potential conflicts of interest within the gaming industry.
Exploration of financial data and connections showcases the intricate network of relationships influencing game development and awards.
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Backlash faced by Lego Buts and continued questionable activities online.
01:45:14Comparison to Gamergate, showing persistent issues despite job changes.
Discussion on conspiracy theories and ongoing problematic behaviors in the gaming community.
Lack of resolution from past controversies like Gamergate highlighted.
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Importance of Supporting Creators and Promoting Positivity in Gaming Community
01:47:20Emphasis on supporting creators who produce quality content and standing up against negativity.
Highlighting video games as a cultural medium that surpasses movies and TV.
Encouraging viewers to recognize the impact of their voices and actively participate in shaping the future of gaming and entertainment.
Illustration of the collective power of individuals in the gaming community through movements like Gamergate.
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Discussion on amplifying voices through curator lists, financial support, and repercussions.
01:51:45Women's representation in gaming industry and challenges, with examples from real-life incidents and Gamergate fallout.
Narrative consultancy firm advising on 'woke' game development and the reemergence of Gamergate-like issues.
Past encounters with figure Mark, emphasizing his influential reputation.
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Discussion on anime translation companies and their impact on the community.
01:52:12Mention of Silver String Media, Sweet Baby Inc, and Dragon Baby in the industry.
Reference to controversy surrounding changes in anime scripts for English translations.
Connection between companies like Weird Ghosts and impact on underrepresented founders in Canada.
Funding related to Sweet Baby Inc and website mysteriously going down.
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Discussion on the concept of land acknowledgements in Canada.
01:54:47Individuals self-flagellate for being white settlers on traditional native land.
Mention of the term 'colonizer' as a label for those willing to engage in white guilt virtue signaling.
Introduction of Elen Mary Hollow, a queer and disabled white settler living in Winnipeg with a diverse background.
Mention of companies using the term 'sweet babies' in communication and a developer's experience working on the Saints Row reboot game with woke individuals causing issues due to mismanagement.
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Influence of profit-driven decision-making on incorporating woke themes in games.
01:58:51Hiring consultants to introduce woke content into games.
Discussion on the game Night in the Woods created by Alec Halaka known for its progressive nature.
Mention of Alec Halaka's tragic suicide and his sister Elen Halaka working for Weird Ghosts.
The art style of the game reflects a progressive mindset appealing to specific sensibilities.
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Impact of Zoe Quinn's sexual harassment claims on a game developer.
02:00:16Quinn's claims led to the developer's downfall and eventual suicide.
The incident occurred during the Gamergate controversy, revealing a pattern of allegations against Quinn.
Quinn's influence in the industry allowed her to impact careers, showing a power dynamic that affected multiple individuals.
The situation highlights the complexity of handling such accusations and the potential consequences they can have on people's lives and careers.
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Importance of facing attacks and criticism with courage.
02:04:28Emphasis on standing up to detractors regardless of consequences.
Mention of potential physical violence and the concept of 'leveling up' against adversity.
Highlighting a disturbing story involving a suicide indirectly linked to Zoe Quinn, showcasing the impact of relationships and ideology on individuals' actions and decisions.
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Impact of personal agendas within family dynamics.
02:05:41Delving into complexities and consequences of pushing personal agendas within families.
Discussion on autism and varying levels of understanding within family dynamics.
Fascination with a unique story and potential for creating a movie based on the topic.
Historical overview of documenting events related to Gamergate, leading to insights on political shifts and personal career trajectories.
00:00oh yeah this person's blaming gamer
00:01blaming uh the covid pandemic on
00:03gamergate
00:05dev the floor is yours and this is we
00:08are talking about the parallels between
00:1210 years ago with gamergate what's
00:14happening today and the tie-ins so Dev
00:16the floor is yours all right time time
00:19for the dev monologue the dev rant here
00:22I'll you know what I'll do I'll change
00:24my um I'll change my feed so you can see
00:27what I'm looking at so I can show you
00:29examples of what's going on okay yeah
00:30sounds good that's all right and to be
00:32clear you went you did so much research
00:34for this so I want to make sure people
00:37people know I uh I I think I slept maybe
00:40two or three hours last night because I
00:41was just going through all of my old
00:43files I've got files from 10 years ago
00:45and stuff so I wanted to make sure that
00:49I could at least provide uh a tldr of
00:52gamergate how it's similar and also how
00:54it connects so I have it all okay real
00:56quick here we are also I I I do I do
00:58want to point out um last time we talked
01:00about gamergate on your show uh a lot of
01:02people got mad at me because I did a
01:03pretty poor job of it and looking back
01:04on I've watched it I did actually did a
01:06pretty poor job of it to be honest well
01:08I was I was it was off the cuff you know
01:10I was like I'm not prepared for this I
01:11don't and I missed like a bunch of
01:13details but I did get a fair amount of
01:14things right so I I I put you on the
01:17spot and I just said give us a high
01:19level like very very high level example
01:22of what gamer or description of what
01:24gamergate was and you did so I thought
01:27you did so very well I understood what
01:28was happening now for those who were
01:30like know the nitty-gritty I'm sure
01:32they're like you missed everything and
01:34you know that may be the case but I I
01:35understood much better about it um right
01:38yeah you know so I appreciated
01:41it well thank you I I I appreciate doing
01:44it I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna correct a few
01:46things that I said though before just so
01:48we're all on the same page right so okay
01:50uh if do you mind uh full screening me
01:52yes okay so oh I'm really full screened
01:56okay yep so I I'm just going to bring up
02:00the things as I have them ready right so
02:02um those of you who who have been part
02:04of gamergate before you'll remember this
02:06right I know the um milia Gamers you
02:09guys know what this is
02:10right uh yeah I I think so it was so
02:13long ago but I'm I'm looking forward to
02:15the to the refresh here yeah so this is
02:18the Zoe post all right so that's it
02:21yeah I want to get you full screen sorry
02:24okay I'll get you there in a second okay
02:26hold on the good old Five Guys that
02:28kicked it all off yeah can we mention
02:30Alec as well if we're going to talk
02:32about Zoe because I think it's really
02:33important also mention that yeah yeah I
02:36have here well self delete so let's make
02:39sure peace to him yep so uh this story
02:43gets [Â __Â ] dark man but yeah it does
02:45yeah so I have the Zoe post up and this
02:47is August 16th
02:492014 um Zoe Quinn was an indie Game Dev
02:52she dated Aon Joanie for six months and
02:56this is just it it's still up on on
02:58WordPress you can go read this for
02:59yourself right right it's all here and
03:01he outlines the uh the their
03:03relationship all the drama that happened
03:05in their relationship um he points out
03:08that he that the Five Guys that he that
03:11um that Zoe cheated on him with and uh
03:14how they related to uh uh indie game
03:17development and games journalism and the
03:19potential connections for corruption
03:20there also he also he doesn't he doesn't
03:23give names though he would give he would
03:24later give names in other places but he
03:25doesn't give names in this that there
03:27was actually several hundred people that
03:28she cheated on him with which is a
03:30ridiculous number to think about several
03:32hundred people um and so the most
03:37important one initially was the fact of
03:39the Five Guys is that Zoe cheated on
03:41Aaron with Nathan Grayson right so
03:44here's the Five Guys right I think this
03:47is a thumbnail for one of Mr meter's old
03:48videos right so these were the five guys
03:51and these were all people who were
03:53influential in their scene they all had
03:55some sort of professional connection to
03:57Zoe Quinn that was undisclosed while she
04:00was having sex with them right the um
04:03most important one initially is this guy
04:04in the middle here I'm sorry she doing
04:06this all like at the same time like just
04:08going from one guy to the next and just
04:11borking them like what like uh over yeah
04:13over the course of the six months yeah
04:14she was just having a whole bunch of one
04:16night stands with a ton with a ton of
04:17people yeah really good good girl right
04:20there really high class yeah so the most
04:24important one uh was was Nathan Grayson
04:27this guy in the middle here and is this
04:30the yes it is so the reason that Nathan
04:32Grayson was initially important is
04:34because he wrote this article in March
04:3731st which was before gamergate it was
04:38several months before gamergate the
04:40indie game reality TV show that went to
04:42hell and he's reporting on a game Jam
04:46that Zoe Quinn was a part of and
04:48actually JN Tron was present at this
04:49game at this game Jam as well and he
04:51came out experiences yeah yeah so um the
04:55issue is that for I I guess real quick
04:58for those of you who don't know a g game
04:59Jam is a contest where you get together
05:01a group of people and you make a game
05:04from start to finish in a very short
05:07time frame so like a day or a week or
05:09two weeks or something and the idea is
05:11that you you cloer yourself up you just
05:13try to get something that's functions
05:15and then you have like several teams
05:16that do it right and then at at the end
05:18of uh the the week or whatever it is you
05:20have a panel of Judges that judge the
05:23the games and it's like a fun little
05:25thing that a lot of people have been
05:26doing um for for over a decade now
05:30so there was a game Jam literally titled
05:32gamecore Jam all caps that was a some
05:36sort of corporate event that Zoe Quinn
05:37was a part of and and John Trum was
05:39there as well and the only uh record the
05:42only um reporting about this event and
05:45its downfall was from Nathan Grayson
05:49they were having sex at the time in fact
05:51probably even at the game jam and it
05:53wasn't it was it was never disclosed all
05:55right and the issue ultimately is that
05:57the guy who put on this game Jam
05:59actually lost um a bunch of money and it
06:02does seem like looking back at it now
06:04that Zoe Quinn intentionally tanked it
06:07because she was setting up her own game
06:09jam and this is a way to get rid of
06:11competition right that's a bit
06:13conspiratorial but that is how it looks
06:14from the outside um the the issue though
06:17is that if if there really was money
06:19changing hands and she really did do
06:21something unto Ward the fact that only
06:24someone that she was having sex with she
06:27was having sex with was reporting on it
06:29that's a big ethical no
06:31no uh so what happens
06:33is this is the um the copyright strike
06:39that Zoe Quinn filed against the
06:40YouTuber mundane Matt because mundane
06:42Matt decided to talk about the Zoe post
06:45and she wanted to get out ahead of the
06:46story so she filed uh a dmca it was a
06:49false dmca she she used the process um
06:53she used the process illegitimately
06:55because there was no copyright
06:56infringement in mundane mat's video she
06:57just wanted the story to be stifled mhm
07:00um and this C this is this is the strian
07:02effect right you try to stop something
07:04like this it's going to massively blow
07:05up in your face and this is why it blew
07:06up this is why suddenly everyone was
07:08talking about it because mundane Matt
07:10was this he was this small ambulance
07:11Chaser Channel he had like 5,000 subs or
07:14something nobody really cared um But
07:16like after this happened he quickly shot
07:18up to like 100,000 Subs because
07:19everyone's like this is this is
07:20outrageous what's what's happening to
07:21this guy and it was outrageous
07:23right so by August 18th so this is two
07:27days after the Zoe post was posted um
07:29the internet Aristocrat he's now known
07:31as Mr meder but back then he was the
07:32internet Aristocrat he published his
07:34first video on mundane Matt Monday
07:37Matt's uh video being taken down and so
07:40like this is when the ball release
07:41starts rolling right two days after so
07:44um I did a deep dive on it uh Sargon did
07:47his first video on it a whole bunch of
07:49people were on Twitter talking about it
07:50everyone's making videos everyone's
07:52talking about it there's chat rooms
07:53being made the people on streams are
07:55talking about it this is when the this
07:58was probably the height of the the
07:59actual journalistic Integrity stuff
08:01everyone was digging into these people
08:03to see how the Five Guys connected to
08:05Zoey how they connected to other people
08:07what what kind of corruption were we
08:08dealing with here this is when everyone
08:10was digging right and so you you saw you
08:13saw like infographics like these were
08:15posted all over the place um you know
08:17like the these people all pay Zoe Quinn
08:20and these are all people who have
08:21reported on her these people are all
08:23affiliated with her and like like people
08:26you had tons of Graphics like this going
08:28does this stuff look familiar to you
08:30guys melee games oh 100 I remember
08:32things like this yeah this is a massive
08:34blast from the past and you know it's
08:36just Pottery it's all It's All Coming
08:38Back
08:39Together mentioned sex for favors oh God
08:43it was a wild time sex for favor oh my
08:45God that was a great I don't know who he
08:46got through that voiceover but it was
08:48[Â __Â ] hilarious that was actually one
08:49of his like real life friends that just
08:51did amazing Jesse The Body Ventura voice
08:54yeah can I ask shout out to Old Jimmy oh
08:57go ahead go ahead yeah yeah can you
08:58scroll up really quick sure yeah here it
09:01says uh you know why the media is is
09:03silent and a few minutes ago we were
09:06talking about how there hasn't been an
09:07article about the sweet baby ink stuff
09:09yet
09:12and in my mind there's a few questions
09:14here why number one why would they not
09:16report on it because do they not want to
09:18be called an istaphobe whatever right um
09:21and if they if that's the case then
09:23they're not doing their job as a
09:24journalist right journalist job is to go
09:26out and Report the news and that's it um
09:29but number two um do these you know you
09:33wonder if there's going to be a uh a
09:35graphic that that looks like this that
09:36says why the media is silent these
09:38people all work with sweet baby Inc or
09:41know you know the CEO or something along
09:44those lines right yeah it definitely
09:46feels very similar yeah um so like like
09:49if if you were to to to comb through
09:51this with a fine tooth comb you'd see
09:53like oh here's a person named Akira
09:54Thompson and Zoe Quinn um this person
09:57was supporting Zoe Quinn on um on
09:59patreon and they also worked at
10:01indiecade and they won an award at like
10:03and you basically it's I I could sit
10:07here and just comb over this all day
10:08right because there's so many
10:09connections and so many like little bits
10:11of corruption where very clearly
10:12somebody gave their friend a little bit
10:14of a boost or something right and I mean
10:16you have to have that in an industry to
10:18some extent because people are always
10:19going to make friends and you can't
10:21always be completely objective right it
10:23it snowballed and it got to a point
10:24where where the entire industry became
10:26this cleck and and there was no way to
10:28get in unless you part of the club right
10:30like you are expected to give your
10:32friends a bit of a bonus sometime
10:34because they're your friends but it was
10:36too much it became too much basically
10:37right um the most important one at this
10:40point was Ben cachera because Ben
10:41cachera was the editor at polygon at the
10:44time he was supporting Zoe Quinn on
10:46patreon and he was uh using his ability
10:50as the editor of polygon to stifle
10:52people talking about this this was the
10:53big one at the time was Ben
10:55cachera um after this you you had people
10:59like Patricia Hernandez which is another
11:02someone who wrote for uh both Kotaku and
11:05I think Destructoid right and there was
11:09connections between
11:10them like yeah this an article was
11:13published you know 12 years ago to
11:15something at this point what games
11:16taught me about having two girlfriends
11:17at once by Patricia Hernandez it's like
11:19okay I'm sure that's an article someone
11:21wants to read right but but basically um
11:24this is now moving beyond Zoe Quinn
11:27specifically right because patri
11:30Patricia Hernandez was a writer at um at
11:33Kotaku writing articles about her
11:36relationship with her girlfriend Anna
11:38anthropy and also reviewing games that
11:41Anna anthropy made using her position at
11:44Kotaku and at Destructoid so now now
11:46it's not even about Zoe Quinn anymore
11:48because as we kept digging we realized
11:49oh all of these people are doing this
11:51with each other it's one giant C it's
11:54not just that Zoe Quinn's the problem
11:55they're all doing this right and none of
11:58these people are are talking about it so
12:00um I remember there was an analogy back
12:03in the day I can't remember who made it
12:04but it was pretty much like gamergates
12:06like if you busted like a drug den and
12:08it was just two people doing meth and
12:09then you find out that the meth was sold
12:11to this guy who was tied to the
12:13government and then just this huge
12:15rabbit hole that just keeps going and
12:16going and going so yeah while it started
12:18with Zoe Quinn and you know having some
12:20Five Guys burgs and Fries then you
12:22realized this connection this connection
12:24this connection and it's like oh the
12:26entire games journalism industry is just
12:29completely corrupt everyone is giving
12:30back door deals sex for favors and uh
12:33they all hate you and they they yeah
12:35they hate the actual gamer and
12:37everything so I think that's where
12:39people are drawing that conclusion with
12:40sweet baby as well you see sweet baby
12:42working in all these different companies
12:44no one in the media is talking about it
12:46then you've got weird ghosts you've got
12:47that dragon baby thing like so many
12:49things are popping up and then we're
12:51seeing some of the old Guard from all
12:53this time too sneaking in it's like
12:55they're kind of trying to they never got
12:57banned on Twitter yeah yeah like all
12:59these people you can search on Twitter
13:01and you can find all their tags talking
13:03to each other during gamergate during
13:042014 2014 like the butts person was
13:08there other butts people were there
13:09don't get me start on that one um you
13:11talking about Sarah exactly oh my God
13:15keep dogs away from these people folks
13:17listen I don't have the Sarah butt story
13:18in here that's like a Side Story to all
13:20this but the tldr is didn't she get
13:22caught like molesting her cousin or
13:24something I don't know the whole story
13:25though that was it yeah so these lot
13:28Home Alabama and butt stuff in gamergate
13:31I have to say yeah like a lot thing is
13:35on our side of it we were having fun
13:36with it it was really just we were
13:38laughing at these people pointing out
13:40these degenerate people that were just
13:41completely muddying up the industry and
13:43it was just like yeah these people don't
13:45represent us these aren't actual Gamers
13:47and it was it was a freaking War yep yep
13:51um and it's at this point that we
13:52discovered that things did eventually
13:54loop back around to Zoe right so if you
13:57go back to this image here
13:59um this guy here Robin AR not the guy
14:01with the red Mohawk he was a uh he was a
14:04sound designer in in he he worked for
14:07various companies as a sound designer
14:08and he was also a judge at the indiecade
14:11game awards show and he was giving
14:13awards to Zoe Quinn's games while also
14:16having sex with her right so it was like
14:18oh so so all these people this is what's
14:20going on here is it like it's positive
14:23coverage from the Press it's awards
14:25given out there's money Changing Hands
14:27there and it it's a giant click and you
14:30know you're not in it basically is
14:31what's happening here so um what what
14:34people don't remember about gamergate is
14:37yeah I'll go to this one now is that
14:38there actually was an early win right so
14:40this was August 26 so like a week in
14:43change after this sto yes right yep he
14:48call him a hack one
14:50time he he is kind of a hack to be
14:52honest but uh um there was actually an
14:54early gamergate win at this point
14:55because um both Kotaku and polygon
14:57updated their codes of Ethics to demand
15:00that all of these connections be made
15:01public and they also banned their
15:03reporters from financially contributing
15:05to developers on patreon okay and I
15:08think he says at some point here yeah
15:09this last week has been if nothing else
15:12a good warning to all of us about the
15:13pitfalls of cliquishness in the Indie
15:15Dev scene and among the reporters who
15:17cover it it's like well that's a [Â __Â ]
15:18understatement isn't it but you know to
15:21give them credit where it's due they
15:22actually did do this um the reaction to
15:25the people who are in the cleek to this
15:27news was actually um it was very bad
15:30right so I I found two examples just
15:32right off the top this is one guy like
15:34Kaku are you kidding me right now like
15:35really is this a prank what happened now
15:38they're instating a policy disallowing
15:39contributors from donating to developers
15:41patreons and it's like isn't that how it
15:43should be like if you're at the very
15:45least shouldn't you be disclosing the
15:46fact that you donate to a person that
15:48you're writing an article about well
15:50well 100% And then the idea that that if
15:53you're going
15:54to it it's just it's the same with any
15:58of the this stuff right if I think about
16:01like if we were a podcast like if if I
16:02was to it goes okay what was the whole
16:06thing with Logan Paul several years ago
16:07where he launched some sort of like
16:09crypto thing but he didn't disclose that
16:11it was his company or something there
16:12there was something along those lines
16:13where that maybe it I yeah yeah but like
16:16you need to disclose these things you
16:18can't just be like well look at this you
16:20know look at this thing that I found and
16:22by the way um it it's slimy it's gross
16:25and you see this with with politicians
16:27you see this with
16:29the know it's funny because I I was not
16:32aware of this happening when this was
16:34going on right and people say how the
16:36hell were you not involved in this I've
16:37talked about this before like I had my
16:40head down I had my head in the sand
16:41worried about how to grow my YouTube
16:43channel at the time and how to make sure
16:45that the 10 11 12 employees that I had
16:47at the time were you know going to get
16:49their paychecks and I was and I just
16:51sold my company and I was trying to uh
16:54do my best to um look good for the
16:59people who bought our company right so
17:01this was so far off my radar I didn't
17:03even know I just heard gamergate on the
17:05on the periphery but I will say this
17:08man the clickish of the video game
17:12industry is so so apparent and I
17:18understand the idea well you know I want
17:19to do good for my friends I want to put
17:21them in a better spot like life is about
17:23relationships I get it right
17:26but you shouldn't write a good article
17:28because somebody sucked your dick you
17:30know like that's really [Â __Â ] up that's
17:32really [Â __Â ] up uhuh
17:35sorry astonishing to me like to to
17:38actually I feel like I'm with with uh
17:40Three grizzled Vets here on my
17:44screen but Craig you weren't alone like
17:47it was really hard to get the news like
17:49two people like you that were
17:51established and everything um I want to
17:53do a shout out and a big rest in peace
17:54to Total biscuit that gave like a huge
17:57like he actually listened to us and was
17:58was like he was the king of of ethics
18:01and like in my opinion he was the best
18:03video game critic of all time and a lot
18:05he had a lot of fans both right-wing and
18:08leftwing and all this stuff and he said
18:10yeah there is a problem with ethics in
18:12the games industry and there this is
18:13wrong and you should disclose all this
18:15stuff and he got a huge amount of
18:17backlash just for hearing us out back in
18:19the day remember John Tron got a ton of
18:22[Â __Â ] back in the day so if you even like
18:25listened to what we were saying on
18:26Twitter because this was mainly a
18:28Twitter
18:28little bit of Reddit little bit of pull
18:30and V it was just this whole internet
18:32click here that we were just like saying
18:34hey this has to stop and if you were on
18:36the outside and you were like well let's
18:38listen and hear them out you would be
18:40bombarded with fake news about us and
18:42just told like we're the most evil
18:43people we're actually you know just
18:45trying to get these women this and that
18:46and it's like that's that's not true
18:48we're you know we're talking about like
18:50I remember like people would come up to
18:52me that I knew and they would be like oh
18:55I heard you're like in this gamergate
18:56thing so who's harassing you they
18:58thought I was the one being harassed and
19:00I'm like no I'm laughing at the people
19:01claiming they're being harassed this is
19:03the dumbest thing ever so it's like even
19:05from the outside you hear like think
19:07bits and pieces and you think it's just
19:09like this insane movement and you don't
19:10realize what's going on so it's hard to
19:12tell people like hey this is what's
19:14going on and you're seeing right now I
19:15mean dev's got how many tabs open to
19:18explain this this is one of three this
19:20is one of three packets of things this
19:22is one of three packets of tabs could be
19:24100 hour video so much information every
19:27day was hours
19:28from an outside perspective you're kind
19:30of like okay give me the tldr and it's
19:31like the tldr is almost impossible at
19:33this point there's so much the truth is
19:35like I am kind of giving you like I've
19:36skipped like five things already like
19:38I'm giving you the tldr right now right
19:39there's so much to it
19:41yeah hold on and this he's like
19:46oh
19:48cabus you you're okay we're gonna get to
19:51how this all kind of ties in a little
19:52bit more but like whether you like it or
19:55not kutus you as as it pointed out by
19:59Kay and James and Dev here like there
20:02probably will be articles written about
20:04you people are gonna comb through your
20:07Twitter or they're goingon to comb
20:08through your social media and they're
20:10GNA say well look at this look at this
20:12racist bigot look at what a horrible
20:15piece of trash he did or he is for
20:20launching a steam Community page like by
20:24the way
20:25congratulations 131,000 let's go
20:29nice like kabus like are you ready for
20:32that like because that's good it's gonna
20:35happen you're going to be called
20:37Everything I
20:39mean um let him do the the wor bro I
20:43mean I'm Not Afraid at all I'll never
20:45been today I don't care let us say
20:47whatever they want I have the game
20:49Community behind me right now yes you do
20:52man yes you do
20:53so I mean I'm a gamer there are Gamers
20:57with me
20:58uh on this so I mean I I don't care at
21:00all actually I may be do some videos
21:03reacting to those some of those Outlets
21:06you know so please do it so I have a
21:09nice content to start off my channel who
21:11know let's
21:13go do your wor come on man call me
21:16anything you want I don't care that's
21:19awesome yeah man all right if you want
21:22to connect it back to what's currently
21:23going on right you can see the same
21:25things are happening right so in this
21:27first week of gamer game that I just
21:28kind of laid out you have people just
21:30ignoring it and right now they're just
21:31ignoring sweet baby right and then you
21:33see oh okay this is actually getting
21:34really big we have to reply to it right
21:36and then that's and you're going to see
21:37the same kind of steps happen that
21:39they're going to start replying to it
21:40the same questions will be asked it's
21:41like listen if there's actually nothing
21:43wrong here why do you care about us
21:44talking about it so much know if if
21:47everything's actually innocent if all
21:48these connections between you guys it's
21:49actually all above board nothing's
21:51actually a secret nothing's gone wrong
21:53why are you getting so angry that we're
21:54discussing it it's the same question you
21:56can ask about sweet baby right like why
21:58why would why are they getting angry at
21:59you that you've made this steam page if
22:01everything's actually fine look if sweet
22:03baby had confidence in what they were
22:05doing they wouldn't be bothered by your
22:06page at all 130,000 people are following
22:08a page that tells everyone what games
22:11they worked on if people were actually
22:12on their side this would help them this
22:14would boost them they'd be like great
22:16thank you for mentioning that we worked
22:18on this game now people are going to buy
22:19it but they know that's not what's
22:20happening because Gamers don't want this
22:23trash so if they were confident if they
22:25were doing the right thing then people
22:27like regardless of if it says
22:29recommended or not recommended they
22:30would be like oh sweet baby worked on
22:31this well why are they saying it's not
22:33recommended I'm going to subscribe to it
22:34I'm going to buy it but you're telling
22:36the truth you're saying I don't
22:37recommend this this is why this is what
22:39they're doing and they're like okay well
22:41now they're recoiling pretty much
22:43they're they're afraid of the fact that
22:45you're exposing a light on them you're
22:46not afraid if you're doing the right
22:48thing and people are supporting you
22:49you're not
22:51afraid love it yeah yeah no not at
22:55all it should be helping them if they
22:57were doing something that people wanted
23:00yeah we've seen it happen before when
23:02people get canceled and stuff and we
23:04expose that people are getting canceled
23:05people go in droves to support those
23:07people if they're considering this
23:09you're trying to cancel them then people
23:11should be going in droves to support
23:13them all right I mean I mean all I did I
23:16mean they they they have h a portfolio
23:20on their on their own website you know I
23:23just I'm just you know spreading their
23:25portfolio uh around the the players I
23:29mean isn't that why they created the
23:31portfolio to you know to spread the word
23:33about their work know the things they do
23:36I'm just helping them out with this you
23:38know that's how I'm doing right you're
23:41just showing that they worked on it
23:42there's nothing wrong with
23:44reviewing yeah and then I'm giving my
23:46opinion I do not recommend the game
23:48that's my personal opinion I have the
23:50right to have one right so I mean um
23:55yeah I mean there's really nothing wrong
23:57with I am doing I am 100% fine and I'm
24:01don't I'm Not Afraid at all no not
24:03afraid of them at all good all right Deb
24:06you want to continue sure this is where
24:08we get to the first link uh back to
24:10what's going on now it's pretty tenuous
24:12but it starts here so this is in the um
24:14the early win section where uh where
24:17they actually did update their ethics in
24:19that in that second week this is the
24:21reaction from a person named Samantha
24:22Allen Le disappointed in polygon and
24:25Kotaku today these people did not care
24:26about journos being with developers
24:28until those devs were women which is not
24:30what happened but this is their point of
24:31view um this person says yeah that's why
24:34so many of us are supporting a
24:35fundraiser to get more women into
24:37developing games we hate them that much
24:40then she replies with nobody cares about
24:42your [Â __Â ] blood Money okay so this
24:44exchange it it shows that they weren't
24:46taking it very well that they were
24:47actually people at the top of these
24:49Outlets were coming down on them um but
24:51also this exchange is important because
24:53we will come back to this exchange later
24:54this is the beginning of where Lego
24:56butts comes into the conversation is
24:57what's happening right here okay so
24:59we'll just put this aside for
25:01now I do think it's important to kind of
25:03preface that the idea that what's old is
25:06New Again in this situation that's why
25:08we're talking about it currently is the
25:10uh similarities for those of you just
25:12popping in that's what we're uh
25:13discussing here is the similarities to
25:14what happened 10 years ago with
25:15gamergate to what's happening today so
25:18continue Dev yeah so this is what
25:20actually became known as gamergate is
25:22when um Adam Baldwin called it gamergate
25:24and and linked to the two Medicare
25:26videos the interet c videos this was
25:29completely unexpected because at this
25:31point it was just like a gamer thing and
25:33for some reason Adam Baldwin you know
25:35the the Hollywood actor decides to tweet
25:37about it and this is when it actually
25:38blew up it's like oh you have somebody
25:40in Hollywood talking about this now I
25:41have no idea how he found this but he
25:43did find it um and it's this is also the
25:46point when uh more explicitly
25:48right-leaning figures got involved
25:50because Adam Baldwin is one of the few
25:52noted right leaning people in Hollywood
25:54right um Milo Milo yannopoulos and Mike
25:57cernovich they're both right leing
25:59people and they saw what was happening
26:01in gamergate through Adam Baldwin's
26:03tweet uh they actually got started in
26:05gamergate in fact like milonopoulos was
26:07a reporter for Breitbart he didn't
26:09really have much of a career at that
26:11point but he springboarded his
26:14contributions to gamergate into having a
26:16journalistic career right um he's kind
26:18of a hack now but you know that that's
26:21how it goes um Mike cernovich also
26:24springboarded his contributions to
26:25gamergate into having a career in like
26:28the uh the manosphere red pill space
26:30nowadays he's he's like an Andrew Tate
26:32kind of guy now so this this was the the
26:36beginning of when you started to see
26:38more explicitly partisan right figures
26:41enter into gamergate was when it was
26:43when Adam baldon called it gamergate um
26:45and there and there it did start this is
26:47when it it started to take on aspects of
26:50being a culture war and not just an
26:52investigation um but this is what really
26:55this is what really kicked it off this
26:56next part and you guys are know you guys
26:58all know I've been seen the chat bugging
27:00me Dev you got to talk about this Dev
27:01okay here it is all right these are the
27:04gamers are dead
27:06articles yeah okay yeah this the big
27:09this was the big one yeah okay okay yeah
27:12yeah I'm definitely gonna do I don't
27:13recognize any of this stuff so okay oh
27:16man so this is an article uh says Gamers
27:19don't have to be your audience gamers
27:20are over a guide to ending Gamers it's
27:23dangerous to go alone why are Gamers so
27:25a so angry uh the end of
27:28Gamers um we might we might be
27:30witnessing the death of an identity this
27:32one is from Luke plunet over at Kotaku
27:35um the death of of Gamers and the women
27:36who killed them sexism misogyny and
27:38online attacks it's a horrible time to
27:40consider yourself a gamer an awful week
27:42to care about video games gaming is
27:44leaving Gamers behind uh heartening
27:47account of the harassment going on in
27:49gaming right now and how Adam Baldwin is
27:51involved um misogynistic trolls Drive
27:54feminist video game critic from her
27:56home um it's it's all the same stuff
27:59right and these were all coordinated and
28:01like they all days yeah day if not days
28:05what happened was um starting on August
28:0728th until September 1st something like
28:12uh maybe maybe 30 articles all came out
28:16in unison and they were all saying the
28:18same thing either said it in the
28:19headline or they said it somewhere in
28:21the article and it was the tagline
28:23gamers are
28:25dead um some of them explicitly state
28:27that it's it's the death of the gamer
28:29identity and that no one should call
28:31themselves a gamer anymore some of them
28:34was like were saying gamers are bad and
28:36if you're making games you don't need to
28:38Pander to Gamers anymore or you don't
28:41need to write articles for gamers
28:42anymore if you're working in the games
28:44journalist space space but it was
28:46basically it all came out at the same
28:47time all right it all came out at the
28:49exact same time within the this two-
28:51days span August 28th to September 1st
28:53or is that a three-day span whatever but
28:55it all came out the same time and it
28:56looked from the outside it looked
28:57coordinated in fact um I remember I
29:00think total biscuit at one point even
29:01said like I've never seen anything like
29:04this it's like they planned this out and
29:06it all dropped at the exact same time
29:09it's very clearly in response to what
29:11was happening with the Zoe
29:13post and I think like like this specific
29:16image of all the of all the headlines
29:17together is the one that you can still
29:19see occasionally reposted even today
29:22that's that's like legitimately shocking
29:25like honestly shocking that that it's so
29:28coordinated and like I I've met casually
29:31some of these people that that you've
29:33mentioned here um you know like Luke
29:35plunket and such and you know I've never
29:37had a relationship with him but probably
29:39shook his hand at some point 10 15 years
29:41ago whenever it may be and uh at least I
29:44I know of these people right and to see
29:48it so like brazenly coordinated and be
29:53like within the within a couple days
29:54with the same same verbiage say like wow
29:57it's it's like it's honestly it's not
29:59even like it's just Shameless really
30:02it's like like sh like when people say
30:04propaganda that is propaganda at its
30:09core I completely agree yeah and
30:12actually we we do get into a little bit
30:14later how they did this right because
30:16there there was actually a private group
30:18chat um but just real quick the main one
30:21the very first one to come out was Lei
30:23Alexander for gamas Sutra classic yep
30:28yep it's the classic one and there's a
30:30lot of deep lore about leay Alexander uh
30:32we're not going to go into it too much
30:34time but it's the same kind of stuff
30:35right like tra like trading influence
30:37for for for for various like for friends
30:40and all it's all the same stuff right
30:41it's all the same stuff um just real
30:44quick so in in this
30:46article basically what she wrote in this
30:48article was the template that was used
30:50for all of them because they all hit
30:51these same these same points so just
30:54real quick uh for example um this is how
30:56she described red gamers in this article
30:59uh by the turn of the Millennium these
31:01were games's only main cultural
31:03signposts have money have women get a
31:05gun and then get a bigger gun be an
31:07outcast celebrate being an outcast
31:09defeat anyone who threatens you you
31:11don't need cultural references you don't
31:13need anything but gaming a generation of
31:15lonely basement kids started wearing
31:17shiny blouses and pinning bikini babes
31:19onto everything they made started making
31:21games that sold the promise of high
31:23octane masculinity to kids who were just
31:26like them so that was her description of
31:28uh of Gamers it's not a very flattering
31:30one yeah um the her second was was a
31:33description of the wider gaming industry
31:35and the creators and the Press like the
31:37whole thing right uh public conversation
31:40was led by a games press she's talking
31:42about back in the 2000s at this point
31:44public conversation was led by a games
31:45press whose role was primarily to tell
31:47people what to buy to score products
31:49competitively against one another to
31:50Glee to gleefully fuel the team sports
31:53atmosphere around creators and companies
31:56but our job isn't about being a reviewer
31:58anymore it's not about telling people
32:00what to buy it's about providing spaces
32:02for people to discuss what and whom they
32:05support these straw man game journalism
32:08ethics conversations people have been
32:10having online right now are largely the
32:12domain of a prior age where all we did
32:15was negotiate ad deals and review scores
32:18and scraped to be called reporters
32:20because we had the same powerlessness
32:22complex as our audience now part of a
32:25writer's job in a creative human medium
32:27is to help curate a creative community
32:30and an inclusive culture and a lack of
32:32commitment to that just looks out of
32:34Step like a partial compromise with the
32:36howling trolls who have latched on to
32:37ethics as the latest flag in their
32:39Onslaught against Evolution and
32:42inclusion so that sounds like it could
32:44be it could be written
32:46today it's it's all the same buzzwords
32:49it's all the same ideas it's all the
32:50same morality just from 10 years ago you
32:53know yeah and and you're right even that
32:56even that headline seems straight out of
32:59something that is from uh sweet baby Inc
33:01right here Gamers don't have to be your
33:03audience they've gone on over and over
33:05again about this idea that um you know
33:08the the straight white male is not your
33:10audience uh you consistently hear that
33:13this is not this is not the gamer it's
33:14like what what the [Â __Â ] you talk okay
33:16whatever uh but yes this yep what's old
33:19is new again we're seeing it absolutely
33:21I know at the very end what she said
33:23also went viral a whole bunch she said
33:25we'll get what we want because we're
33:27creating culture now we are refusing to
33:29let anyone feel prohibited from
33:31participating gamer isn't just a dated
33:33demographic label that most people
33:35increasingly prefer not to use gamers
33:37are over that's why they're so mad these
33:40obtuse shits Slingers these whaling
33:43hyper consumers these childish internet
33:45arguers they are not my audience they
33:48don't have to be yours there is no side
33:50to be on there is no debate to be had
33:52there is what is the past and there is
33:54what is now so that was her basically
33:56saying saying if you're a gamer I don't
33:59want you reading my stuff I don't want
34:00you buying my friends games this is our
34:03space and we're kicking you out and ever
34:06since that she put this out and
34:08everyone's fallen in lock step with this
34:10view there's been this very slow but
34:13very gradual and Unstoppable collapse of
34:16gaming as every every like every uh
34:21Studios put out worse and worse games
34:23they've had they've had smaller and
34:25smaller sales numbers people who
34:27actually play the games are getting
34:28angrier and angrier and this this was
34:30the thesis this was the blueprint that
34:32she laid out and it's been going on for
34:3410 years and of course you have to ask
34:36you know where where is she now right
34:37where are any of these people now they
34:39they don't have the influence they used
34:40to have 10 years
34:42ago well and that's the question I was
34:44actually looking to see this uh lee
34:47Alexander um girl and I by the way I I'm
34:50pretty sure I I know this is uh this is
34:53her as I found Lee Alexander over on uh
34:56Twitter I I'm guessing this is her um
34:59she her right here yeah yeah that's Le
35:02Alexander y pronouns in BIO there you go
35:04piib right there tells you everything
35:05you need to know so uh she is in
35:09everything in narrative design so she
35:12wants to tell she her wants to tell the
35:15story you know she wants to tell you
35:17about the story so uh that's what Lee
35:19Alexander's up to today yeah so so she
35:22she has like her own deep lore that's
35:23that's too much to get into but also um
35:25if right leaning e celebrities dipping
35:27their toes into gamergate began the
35:29transformation into more of a culture
35:31War thing uh these articles hyper
35:34accelerated that because now you had the
35:37entire internet that was [Â __Â ] angry
35:39at at everyone right this was when it
35:41blew up into a [Â __Â ] show because it
35:43wasn't just let's dig up these people's
35:45uh pasts and see what corruption they
35:47had now people were were pissed they
35:49were they were outraged right this is
35:50when this is probably when um people
35:53came to you Craig and saidwhat is your
35:55stance on gamergate because they were
35:57going to everyone and asking that
35:59because now the now the gamers are
36:00pissed I remember um being on that guy
36:03withthe glasses.com at the time and
36:05seeing a thread on their form that was
36:07blowing up and eventually had to be had
36:08to be uh closed because they didn't want
36:10to talk about it either right so and so
36:13basically this this was when like
36:15everyone who was on the ground they were
36:17talking to websites they were talking to
36:19YouTubers they were saying where do you
36:20stand on gamergate because this is
36:22unacceptable to us this is when it
36:24really turned into a big culture War
36:27um yeah it really was a Civil War and
36:30like every single person that was
36:31speaking online at the time even if they
36:32had no idea what was going on they had
36:34to take a stance on it and you not
36:35taking a stance was somehow taking a
36:38stance remember John Tron doing a funny
36:40video being like maybe I just don't know
36:41what the [Â __Â ] it is maybe someone can
36:43explain it to me and yeah so everyone
36:45was talking it sounds very familiar to
36:492020 with BLM and covid like where you
36:53have to make a stance you have to say
36:55something about it and if you don't
36:57you're a bigot if you don't yeah there
37:00was the black squares on Instagram you
37:02guys remember that and if you didn't
37:03post like a black Square you were like
37:06you're a racist you don't believe in BLM
37:08it's like what is a black Square even
37:11gonna do what does that show nothing a
37:13lot of the people that were in the
37:15anti-gamergate side they still like this
37:17is the thing gamergate never ends a lot
37:19of us people that
37:20were it the ride never ends and they
37:24like Trump to gamergate they will tie
37:26like on like you know Capital stuff to
37:28game like everything all comes back to
37:30gamergate and it's just like you just
37:31wanted to play games you just you just
37:32want to be left alone and play games oh
37:35God like there if you want to go really
37:36hardcore edgy there's like uh there's
37:38like a poll meme where Pepe the frog is
37:40in a Nazi uniform and he's like a
37:43execute like a bunch of sjws and he's
37:44like I just wanted to play games and I'm
37:46like holy literally the best meme to
37:49ever be created I I love that one just
37:52want to play my games there it is so in
37:55in in a eneral sense um Outlets went
37:59anti-gamergate and YouTubers went pro
38:02gamergate um there and it's it's
38:04probably because YouTubers were like
38:05more like down toe they were more like
38:07they wer they weren't part of an
38:08establishment they were even 2014 they
38:10were doing their own thing you know a
38:11little bit less so now there's like
38:12there's companies now but back then
38:13that's how it was um there was one there
38:17was one example that broke them all and
38:19that was The Escapist The Escapist went
38:21neutral on gamergate they allowed
38:24discussions to happen on their forms of
38:26just not of the harassment stuff they
38:27banned that but they allowed the
38:29discussions of the ethics to happen and
38:31for that the anti-g the the
38:33anti-gamergate people came after The
38:36Escapist wow just for allowing the
38:38ethics discussion just just for even
38:39like Ju Just to even countenance the
38:41idea that this could have been in any
38:43way about ethics because there was some
38:45real harassment happening as well but it
38:47also was definitely about ethics well
38:50and to kind of further that bringing it
38:51back to what's happening right now with
38:53cabes right he's opened up this thing he
38:55he has this he has this thing and once
38:57again there are Bad actors in every in
39:00every where you know the vast majority
39:03the vast majority of people are just
39:04like yo what's up with this [Â __Â ]
39:06right and then there's people who take
39:07it to the extreme right and to be clear
39:09whether it was back then or right now
39:11don't be [Â __Â ] ass hats and take this
39:13to the extreme right like don't don't be
39:16the bad actor don't be the people who
39:17want to do bad things you know hurt
39:19these people like don't be that be
39:21better than that sorry I'm bringing it
39:24back to what what you're going through
39:25right now by the way in real time
39:27catching up right now currently sitting
39:29at
39:3130 oh where we at let's see I'm I'm
39:33refreshing
39:3431,500 guys keep it going keep it going
39:38look at go nice every like makes sweet
39:42baby SE and cope even harder and and and
39:46don't worry if I'm taking a little bit a
39:48little bit of time to get through this
39:48it will link back to what's got what's
39:50happening today I promise I promise yes
39:51yes okay continue D yeah so uh I went
39:54back and found this tweet from Zoe
39:56Quinn's uh Twitter account from 2019
39:58this was long after gamergate was done
40:02and The Escapist was coming back 5 years
40:03later Under New Management and saying
40:05we're sorry we were neutral on gamergate
40:08guys and their apology did nothing Zoe
40:10Quinn still sent a mob after them with
40:13this tweet you literally revived a
40:15gamergate hub of a website and didn't
40:16bother contacting me or anyone else that
40:18I know who was actually at the center of
40:19gamergate for this piece and this piece
40:21I can't see it by the way he since
40:23deleted it but it was him apologizing
40:25for the fact that the company he
40:27inherited allowed discussions of ethics
40:30on their form was this that's hilarious
40:34yeah who was this was this Russ pittz
40:36who who was apologizing yes oh deleted
40:40yeah okay okay he apologized for the
40:44fact that the company that he inherited
40:45five years ago allowed this conversation
40:46to happen and Zoe just shat on him
40:48anyway there there's no getting your
40:50forgiveness out of these people right no
40:53um about we were talking privately once
40:56again again I don't want to I don't want
40:57to uh uh share too much of our private
40:59conversation but what did I say about
41:01never been the knee right never never
41:03been the knee that's number one rule
41:05never bend the knee these people are not
41:06going to accept it regardless look at
41:08what they did to The Escapist they were
41:09neutral they didn't take aide they just
41:12said you can talk about it here and just
41:14that they got attacked by one side which
41:16side the anti-gamergate side and so
41:19that's people were afraid to stand up
41:22because like you have to remember too
41:24there weren't a lot of online movements
41:26where people were actually propelled
41:28forward and supported for standing up
41:29for what they believed in at this point
41:31so a lot of people were afraid to speak
41:33out because all of these like
41:35establishment places are like speaking
41:37out against Gamers and if they're that
41:39one voice that didn't speak out or that
41:41did speak out they might lose their
41:43career permanently they might be
41:45blacklisted from everything they might
41:46not have a future in the industry so a
41:48lot of people were afraid to speak out
41:49and that's why you saw so few people do
41:51it and meanwhile all the gamers were
41:53screaming please just listen to us this
41:55is insane you should be on the side of
41:57the gamers the people who are paying for
41:59your products the people who actually
42:00want this industry to thrive right and
42:03so that's why and like I said you
42:05witness what happened to The Escapist oh
42:07I can't even allow the conversation to
42:08happen these people are going to come
42:09after me and ruin my life how do I speak
42:12out against this I'm like in 90%
42:14agreement with you I'll say that you
42:16should apologize if you actually think
42:17you did something wrong but don't do it
42:19out of peer pressure like if you think
42:21you're correct then you stand by that
42:22yeah yeah I I definitely agree with that
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43:33like
43:37wow all right continue so you guys
43:39mentioned total biscuit and I have a
43:41little bit of stuff on total biskuit
43:42here right so this is this was total
43:43biscuit exclaiming I've seen more than
43:4510 articles all coming out within an
43:46hour or two of each other it was like an
43:48embargo breaking right this is when the
43:49gamers are dead articles came out and
43:51total biscuit was really also uh total
43:53biscuit John Tron and Boogie 298 eight
43:56they were the big YouTubers who were
43:57talking about this and in fact there was
43:59a stream with these guys um I was there
44:02Sargon was there Mr meder was there um I
44:05think mundane Matt tried to get in but
44:06he wasn't in in time but there was a
44:08stream where we were just talking about
44:09we were just shooting the [Â __Â ] and
44:10talking about all the things that were
44:11happening you know um it was it was wild
44:15to be to be in the same call as these
44:17guys because they were all way bigger
44:18than me but we were all doing videos on
44:19it you want me to get you want me to get
44:21Boogie on right now do you have him on
44:23the phone I I can get Boogie on for sure
44:25you want me to get Boogie on about
44:28gamergate I don't know if he wants to
44:29talk about it nowadays I think his
44:31policies have shifted in the past 10
44:32years yeah Boogie uh yeah he he was
44:34going for on the ethical side of things
44:36and then uh because there was like two
44:38sides to gamergate for sure as as you've
44:41been saying and so as the other side of
44:43it like I love both sides because I like
44:45to get in the mud and get in the dirt on
44:46things but as the other uh side of it
44:50the uh culture War side of it started to
44:52take over he kind of got upset and
44:54backed away but hey he wants talk I'm
44:56down to talk okay I'll DM him see if he
44:58wants to get get get involved okay I'm
45:00sorry continue je sure so I mean you had
45:03examples of these people [Â __Â ] on
45:05total biscuit at back then people even
45:07making fun of them having cancer and lay
45:10liking the Tweet you know [Â __Â ] like this
45:12you have people um right after he died
45:15these people started publishing articles
45:17about his involvement in gamergate like
45:19before the guy corpse was cold this was
45:21within a week of his
45:23death do to us like I remember like man
45:26you're making me mad reminding me about
45:28this [Â __Â ] man and cuz I had so much love
45:29and respect for total biscuit I
45:31completely forgot about this and I'm
45:32getting mad 10 years later like the man
45:35literally was just talking about wanting
45:37ethics in games and wanting you to like
45:39disclose like back door deals and all
45:40this stuff and then he passes away sadly
45:43due to cancer and immediately articles
45:45are coming out spitting like on his on
45:47his grave just yeah what do you think
45:48we're GNA do just be like okay you guys
45:50win it's like no this just made it go on
45:52and on and on and it kept the fires kept
45:55getting stoked it was insane this was
45:572018 so this is when the progressives
45:59had a lot more power online like 2018 to
46:01like 2021 was like the peak of their
46:03power online so this is they were coming
46:05into their power at this point and so a
46:06whole bunch of Articles came out
46:07[Â __Â ] on total biscuit right after he
46:09died for his participation in gamergate
46:11which was [Â __Â ] unhinged um you had
46:14people like this is 2021 they were
46:16demanding people to uh to change the
46:19lull emote to not be a transphobic
46:21sexist gamer it's like you're on Twitch
46:23dude it's a game website or it was
46:24that's insane yeah yeah so like you had
46:26a lot of stuff like this start that
46:28would crop up every few months of people
46:29trying to like just scrub the internet
46:31of total biscuits existence hold on was
46:36it was that a thing the LOL thing like
46:39what was it totalis face on Twitch so
46:42it's to Biscuit's face and they tried
46:43getting it removed right after he died
46:45because he supported or he supported
46:47ethics and gaming so they literally
46:50consistently Tred to get it removed this
46:51whole time yeah like not just then it's
46:53been a consistent thing since he died
46:54until now there's every few months
46:56someone's saying like take total
46:58biscuits face off your site twitch they
47:00just want to yeah delete and erase and
47:02remove history so they they want none of
47:04this to exist so that their narrative is
47:05the only narrative that exists wow this
47:08is this is AB like a like wow I am
47:12shocked by this this is man it's been a
47:15while so this this is a new thing this
47:17one's from 2022 this is someone who's
47:20trying like something that doesn't come
47:21up in this article but I think a lot
47:23about is the chilling effect that total
47:24biscuits presence as an extremely
47:26prolific gamer Gator had this is you
47:28know what is it five years after his
47:30death people try to cancel total biscuit
47:33for gamergate like it's these people are
47:35unhinged with how obsessed they became
47:38with the fact that there was a there was
47:41a cultural movement that the
47:43progressives lost and they only kind of
47:46lost it they kind of won it too but the
47:47fact that they got any push back at all
47:49from anybody who is in any position of
47:51power they they they've taken it
47:53personally ever since wow um so yeah
47:58yeah and toal biscuit really was just
48:01talking like briefly on the ethic side
48:03of things it's because he was so
48:04well-respected like in the industry and
48:06everything uh but like he wasn't like
48:09trying to bully these people he he would
48:11probably his politics were more on their
48:13side of things but he just cared about
48:14keeping things transparent so the they
48:16were acting like he was Public Enemy
48:18Number One in the devil when it was just
48:20like he was just trying to bring an
48:21issue to light like what the hell's
48:23wrong with you people just absolutely
48:25disgusting
48:26yeah so after the gamers are dead
48:28articles that's when it turned into like
48:31this Everlasting cultural movement that
48:33still in some form persists today it's
48:35just been going on and on and on and on
48:37it's been changing people have come in
48:39and out definitely new players but it's
48:41been the same just kind of blanket
48:44rejection in the gaming Space by people
48:46on the ground of things that are very
48:48Progressive um I'll just speedrun what
48:50happened over the next course of the
48:51year because it's not that important to
48:52this but just real quick so for example
48:55this is a a screenshot from their um
48:57from their mailing group called game
48:59Journal Pros one of the journalists in
49:01their mailing group leaked the entire
49:03contents of their mailing list and this
49:05is how they leaked it um in early
49:07September and this is how we discovered
49:09that all of those articles actually were
49:10pre-planned we discover like all the
49:12gamers are dead articles they plann that
49:14and talk about and sorry sorry what how
49:17did this get leaked there was a guy in
49:20there who had enough and just leaked the
49:22whole thing to the internet wow that's
49:25great do we know who that was who was
49:26the hero uh it was the one it was the
49:29one angry gamer guy I forget Billy
49:31something was it Billy I don't remember
49:33his name oh yeah he ran one angry gamer
49:36and he was in there and he decided to to
49:38leak it to uh to the internet gamer
49:41great that that he was The Whistleblower
49:45all whistleblower so what we learned
49:48from from their their their private
49:50group here is that they did in fact uh
49:52collude to to release all those articles
49:54at once and they also we learned that
49:56they were uh pushing out specific people
49:59that they didn't want to be in the click
50:01so if there was a gaming a guy making a
50:03game and they they would all talk about
50:06it in this group and say we shouldn't
50:08promote this guy's game I don't think we
50:09like this guy and so all the websites
50:11would refuse to publish articles about
50:13this upcoming game right and this is how
50:15they control they used this group to
50:17control entry into the Indie gaming
50:20space um so we got we got a bunch of
50:22information from this leak like way way
50:24more than we could ever talk about one
50:25stream um also a few months later there
50:28was the there was the uh the gamergate
50:31Law and Order SVU episode oh my God yes
50:36yep starring uh Logan Paul we talked
50:39about him earlier but he's back Logan
50:41Paul got shot by IC tea he was a gamer
50:43Gator who kidnapped a Zoe Quinn standon
50:46and got gunned down for it this was Peak
50:49Craig if you haven't seen this this was
50:51the funniest thing to ever happen my are
50:54still in orbit this K this isn't real
50:57right this is% real this is our reality
51:00yeah so there was there was an episode
51:04of Law and Order SVU maybe in the
51:07January after
51:09gamergate started where the story is
51:12basically there's a bunch of angry
51:13Gamers that were pissed that there was a
51:15woman making her own video game so they
51:17form a terrorist group they kidnap her
51:21uh they beat her it's implied they rape
51:23her they have like storehouses around
51:24New York City they're going around the
51:26cops are chasing them down and then
51:28eventually there's this firsters
51:30shootout where like Logan Paul's
51:32perspective turns into a FPS because
51:34he's losing his mind I guess and he he
51:36like holds a police officer up from his
51:39firsters perspective and he gets Blown
51:41Away by iced tea wait wait wait when you
51:43say first person perspective do you mean
51:44like in a video game like you see you
51:46remember the Doom movie when
51:49it's it looks like the
51:52movie Craig watches tonight
51:56the thing about gamergate is like they
51:57wouldn't let it die like it would have
51:59get to a point where it's like okay guys
52:01we're done pack it up and then suddenly
52:02this would happen and it's like oh guess
52:05that's when I think I was out like pull
52:07me back
52:08in so much like I I am actually sad I
52:12missed out on this this this because
52:14this is so [Â __Â ] funny like this is
52:17it's it's comical this doesn't even seem
52:18real if you ever heard they leveled up
52:21or go home gamer girl there was like so
52:23many catres that came from episode or
52:26like or I IC tea garbling his lines
52:30trying to talk about how good Kotaku is
52:31as an outlet remember that my God oh my
52:35God yeah and then IC te had to respond
52:37on Twitter about this right he was just
52:39like I don't know what this is I'm just
52:40an actor man I play
52:42game what was it this was on what what
52:45show Law and
52:46Order yeah okay I got got Dick Wolf Mr
52:52Dick Wolf yeah Mr Dick Wolf
52:56the episode was called intimidation
52:59game God and this this was Logan Paul
53:02before he blew up he was acting in this
53:03show as the as the gamer Gator hey uh we
53:07live in a simulation kab hey I want to
53:11let you know that soon Logan Paul will
53:12be starting in a Law and Order spu
53:15episode as you which will be great Nom I
53:20nominate Portuguese
53:23accent yeah I mean can he can contact me
53:26and I can teach him a little
53:28bit and then we can accuse them of
53:30cultural
53:33appropriation all I was doing was
53:35starting a steam group that's all I was
53:41doing I swear that's all I was doing
53:44slow motion gunshots way this this is
53:47the funniest thing to happen for gamingg
53:48for sure yeah closing in on 132,000
53:51followers over on go I feel like I need
53:54to I need to have a uh sweet baby Inc
53:57detected like a a counter stream on our
54:00on our Channel just to just to have it
54:02going I think that'd be that'd be pretty
54:04good maybe maybe I'll do that later on
54:05for you cutus it'll be that'll be
54:08awesome man do it please do it all right
54:11let's let's go and continue Dev I'm
54:13sorry I I oh no problem I if it sounds
54:15like I'm distracted it's because I'm
54:17watching Law and Order SVU gamergate in
54:19the
54:21background I gotta see I got to see him
54:24get shot I got to see
54:26oh my God all
54:27right after that there was the uh
54:30Society of professional journalists had
54:32a panel discussing the ethics it got to
54:34that point where like the society
54:36personal journalists want to get in on
54:37this um they invited everyone who was
54:40part of gamergate uh none of the anties
54:42wanted to show up because they didn't
54:43want to legitimize the discussion none
54:45of them want would show up but so they
54:48got a panel of pro gamergate people on
54:50this side and a panel of neutral
54:52gamergate people on this side because
54:53none of the anties wanted to show up
54:55who was Pro there was it Milo is that
54:58Milo was there Alan barari was there as
55:01was there b is awesome yeah shout out
55:04him I hope he's doing good I for the
55:06other people I know Oliver was
55:10there God that's a name I haven't heard
55:12in a long time thing like Oliver kind of
55:14kind of went like Lefty after gamergate
55:16was done you know like people kind of
55:17went their own separate ways right like
55:19I know um like she that's the thing is
55:21like Pro or anti like all these people
55:23like still exist and they're all doing
55:24things like
55:25mikov and all that stuff like yeah well
55:28well that was thing is that this wasn't
55:30a war where people got you know like
55:32they got law ordered spu we all lived
55:36all we're gamergate survivors I I
55:39actually have a promo the promo for it
55:4214 second promo for it let's go watch
55:44this really
55:45quick I watched about 10 seconds of this
55:48almost all of it but the amount of like
55:50gamer buzzword that are used in this is
55:52spectacular here we go g on NYPD where's
55:56that coming from next Wednesday ripped
55:58from the headlines this is a game to
56:00that what's the next level a violent
56:02video game inspires a real crime you
56:05better be slaughtered new SVU next
56:10Wednesday dude oh my God oh my God
56:13that's
56:14awesome better be slow first person
56:16shooter let's
56:18go I I'm loving living vicariously
56:21through Craig hearing this all for the
56:23first time like this is
56:25weirdly wholesome in a way well I mean
56:29it's shockingly how stupid this like
56:32it's it's amazing I'm I'm fascinated by
56:35this I like I honestly am sad I missed
56:38out on this I could have made so much
56:40content out of
56:42this been great all did man like like
56:44Sargon blew up because of gamergate
56:45right like medic blew up because of
56:47gamergate a whole bunch of people got
56:48their career started because of
56:50gamergate we we all did different things
56:52yeah Dev did so many videos I ran like a
56:54gamergate event it like in person it was
56:57it was [Â __Â ] a wild time hey you were
57:00eternally online talking about it it was
57:02it was F my God and getting so many
57:04people angry the amount of fights people
57:06tried to have with me is
57:08is Phil fish threatened to sue me that
57:10was a fun time nice the Phil yeah yeah I
57:14think I think the first time I was on
57:15your show Craig like six months ago I
57:17told you the Phil fish story that came
57:18out of this and came the gamerg stuff
57:21yeah so so basically the uh the society
57:23professional journalist say so the
57:25Society of professional journalists held
57:27their thing um and it got uh it got a
57:31bomb threat called into it by people who
57:33were anti- gamergate so it had to be
57:35shut down um but this was another big
57:37thing and then the final big thing I
57:39would say if you want to like learn all
57:41the Deep lore that I'm skipping um
57:44someone made a like a [Â __Â ] movie
57:46length documentary of just every event
57:48that happened razor fists in there for a
57:50little bit like people talking about
57:53Gawker the yeah this is from the uh the
57:54panel that like EV Phil fish is here
57:57like he this guy covers everything
57:59autistically all super quick by the way
58:01polytron is listed as a uh client on
58:05sweet baby so Phil fish still exists in
58:07some way these people don't go away
58:09there that's the thing yep I got a
58:11question for
58:13blabs BL you're hearing all this like me
58:17mostly I heard you know little Rumblings
58:20gamer game on but like you're stepping
58:22into the deep end you've been you've
58:24been tossed off the high dive and
58:26you're when this was happening I was in
58:28high school I didn't pay attention to
58:30this stuff I didn't know anything about
58:32it what do you think of all this though
58:34like time it's very I I think as Dev was
58:38saying that it takes um it's very
58:40similar to what's happening right now
58:41with sweet baby Inc so I do think it's
58:43important to learn about it because
58:45again history repeats itself so what
58:47when this happened back in like 2014 or
58:49so all these little things are
58:50connecting and now it's happening again
58:52and people maybe maybe just maybe can
58:54actually stop it from happening just
58:56like sweet baby in from taking over all
58:58Indie all games in general
59:01so it's interesting toist know about
59:04that's for sure like all this stuff like
59:05I didn't even know freaking Logan Paul
59:07was on SVU who would F that I didn't
59:10realize it was him at the time yeah I
59:12just remember Justin Bieber being on
59:13like what was it NCIS whatever it was
59:17back but that's all I remember okay look
59:20whatever it is that's going on right now
59:22who has Adam Baldwin's phone number cuz
59:24we need another name we need a need
59:28hashtag he's got to name this whatever
59:30it is it's too much like Pottery let's
59:33get it going um all right just you know
59:35I have reached out to Boogie I have not
59:37heard back yet so we'll see what happens
59:38by the way blabs we're just gonna take
59:40this entire clip I think Dev was right
59:42like we just take this entire section
59:44and turn it into one big clip and it's
59:46just it's Dev teaches Craig about
59:49gamergate 2.0 and that's it and like
59:52that's that's the entire thing because I
59:53this is fascinating ating stuff all
59:55right Dev continue yes I'm gonna go pee
59:57be right back continue right oh do you
59:59have like wireless
01:00:02headphones we want to listen to you in
01:00:04the bathroom
01:00:06I'm so I've got wireless headphones it's
01:00:10incredible I can listen to everything
01:00:11all over my house it's it's amazing I'll
01:00:13never go back okay but basically like if
01:00:15you want to know any because I'm
01:00:16skipping a lot of deep lore because we
01:00:17don't have time if you want to know it
01:00:19this guy made a great you know two-hour
01:00:21documentary on it called AirPlay am I
01:00:23think I think he's doing another one too
01:00:24like there's just so much there's so
01:00:26much autistic deep lore so I can't show
01:00:28for this guy enough definitely go check
01:00:30him out watch his stuff um so so to cap
01:00:34it off because we I think this is now at
01:00:36the end of the gamer of what's really
01:00:37meaningful for our story today this is
01:00:39like there's more but this is all the
01:00:40meaningful stuff for sweet baby today is
01:00:42everything that I've just presented but
01:00:44to cap it off real quick um I know some
01:00:46people got mad at me last time I talked
01:00:47about gamergate on uh on the show
01:00:49because I said that there was some
01:00:51legitimate harassment in gamergate but
01:00:54the TR truth is that there was um none
01:00:57of us did it right like I didn't do any
01:00:58of the harassment I always said in my
01:00:59videos don't harass people Sargon always
01:01:01said in his videos don't harass people
01:01:04right I know total biscuit said many
01:01:05times don't harass people um Aaron
01:01:08edited the Zoey post to say don't harass
01:01:11people but you can't control everyone
01:01:13right like people are going to harass
01:01:16whether or not you tell them to you can
01:01:18you can put a damper on it if you come
01:01:20out and and strongly say don't do it but
01:01:22there's always going to be some people
01:01:23who just will because they're they're
01:01:25here to cause chaos they're here to
01:01:26they're here to troll they don't care if
01:01:28you tell them to to do it or not because
01:01:29they're going to do it right but the the
01:01:31issue is that all of that harassment
01:01:34painted the harassment that was real
01:01:37painted the entirety of gamer they
01:01:38painted the entirety of gamergate with
01:01:40that brush right so even though we kept
01:01:42saying don't harass people don't harass
01:01:44people we said it over and over and over
01:01:45again it didn't matter because they took
01:01:47the bad apples they said we were all bad
01:01:49apples but Dev I'm going to push back a
01:01:51little bit what is the examples of the
01:01:52harassment because to this day say I've
01:01:55barely ever seen anything besides like
01:01:57maybe a random like bot account be like
01:02:00off yourself I've never actually seen
01:02:02like a full-on harassment campaign or
01:02:04anything and I feel like people make
01:02:06this argument of like oh well there was
01:02:08some harassment just to say well it's
01:02:10not all not all kind of thing like it
01:02:12can't be an absolute but I to this day
01:02:15have not seen examples of
01:02:17harassment here's a great example in the
01:02:19chat someone says Brianna woo was caught
01:02:20harassing herself right someone in the
01:02:22chat said that and that was count
01:02:24[Â __Â ] I know I know but here's the
01:02:26thing complete [Â __Â ] to say oh yeah
01:02:28harassment existed the person that was
01:02:30anti- gamergate harassed themselves so
01:02:33so here's well hold on hold on here's
01:02:34the thing right because I don't know if
01:02:36you're gonna believe me or not but it's
01:02:38true hey I'm here to listen I I I you
01:02:40talk this whole time I just want to fair
01:02:41enough well well let me put it this way
01:02:43then so I went on Wick TV a few months
01:02:45ago to talk to Brianna woo directly
01:02:47right and I did do some confronting with
01:02:49her of of the old days and she did share
01:02:52some things with me and she did get
01:02:54actually harassed that that part wasn't
01:02:57made up um in my personal opinion she
01:02:59probably reacted a bit too negatively to
01:03:01the harassment was harassment it was
01:03:03just people telling her to kill herself
01:03:04usual internet stuff right which is why
01:03:06I think that she reacted way too
01:03:07negatively to it uh but nonetheless it
01:03:09did happen right like you can't control
01:03:12when some forchan troll is gonna just to
01:03:15just to have some laughs is gonna like
01:03:17make a new Twitter account and then post
01:03:19LOL kill forchan trolls like these are
01:03:22all like buzzwords that's I I point
01:03:26out was the person that was screaming
01:03:28that people were harassing her online
01:03:30and it was like bullying words while
01:03:31like her dog was like dying sick or
01:03:33something and we were all like can you
01:03:35just take your dog to the vet like we're
01:03:37not talking why you worried about like
01:03:39Words online when like you have a real
01:03:41situation going on with your life
01:03:42remember she was like tweeting about
01:03:43gamergate on Christmas and we're all
01:03:45just like hanging out with our families
01:03:47like it it was we show up a few days
01:03:49later and we're like why is she still
01:03:50cheeting like we're all having fun with
01:03:51our families so so here's the thing like
01:03:55I definitely talked to her about this
01:03:56right because she is not the person she
01:03:57was 10 years ago especially after the um
01:04:00the October 7th terrorist attack in
01:04:02Israel she has looked around at the left
01:04:04and said what kind of people did I did I
01:04:07go to bed with these people are insane
01:04:09go to bed with them she started this
01:04:10whole Trend with these people sure she's
01:04:13helped create these people so she
01:04:15shouldn't be surprised that now it's
01:04:16turning on her these people Tim turn I
01:04:18completely agree with you but we have
01:04:20had um we I've gone back and forth and
01:04:23I've been like you know how how do you
01:04:24feel about this like like what was it
01:04:26like back then what has changed about
01:04:27you since then and she definitely is not
01:04:29the person she was 10 years ago I I will
01:04:31say that and I'll say it multiple times
01:04:34even if it gets me into some flak with
01:04:35some people she is not the person she
01:04:37was 10 years
01:04:40ago I understand your perspective but
01:04:42it's really hard to be sympathetic to
01:04:44somebody who has done so much [Â __Â ] to
01:04:46everyone else it's really difficult even
01:04:49if you've changed the amount of things
01:04:51you put people through and you're crying
01:04:53about it now when you're getting a bit
01:04:55of a taste of your own medicine it's
01:04:57very difficult to sit here and be like
01:04:59oh I feel bad for her oh yeah she's
01:05:00changed all this stuff and to this day I
01:05:03still do not have any examples of
01:05:05harassment I'm sorry I have not seen it
01:05:08all of us have asked we are all willing
01:05:10to disavow it even on the pro gamergate
01:05:12side if people in the anti-gamergate
01:05:14side are being harassed where are these
01:05:17claims it's just all like yeah I got
01:05:19harassed yeah these gamers are harassing
01:05:21me show me proof if you are getting
01:05:24asked why are you afraid to show proof
01:05:26just show it well do you want to talk to
01:05:28her yourself I will talk to her sure
01:05:32well I'll I'll I'll see if she's
01:05:34interested right but it is one of those
01:05:36things where like i' I've asked her
01:05:38about it and I do believe that she was
01:05:41that that that she was sent some
01:05:42harassment I have seen some of it I
01:05:44don't have it on me right now but I did
01:05:46see some but the issue is though and I
01:05:47told her this myself I was like listen I
01:05:49see what you're sending me these are
01:05:50very clearly accounts that were just
01:05:52made right very clearly these are people
01:05:54who just want to [Â __Â ] with you and when
01:05:56you gave into that you let them [Â __Â ]
01:05:58with you right because I've had people
01:06:00make new accounts and come into my
01:06:02streams or tweet tweet at me on Twitter
01:06:04with a with an account that was made
01:06:05five minutes ago to [Â __Â ] on me to tell
01:06:07me to to to tell to uh like say that you
01:06:10know my girlfriend's gonna dump me
01:06:12because I'm a fat loser or they tell me
01:06:13to kill myself right and the issue is is
01:06:15that I have considering how much I've of
01:06:18that I've gotten as I've gotten larger
01:06:19on the internet I'm sure you saw it on
01:06:21screw attack as well Craig as you get
01:06:23bigger this sort of thing happens
01:06:25you can't you can't let that get under
01:06:26your skin and she did the that that was
01:06:28the issue is that she let it get under
01:06:30her skin and then she said everyone in
01:06:31gamergate was doing it so it was
01:06:34happening but it wasn't everyone and
01:06:35that was the mistake my problem is is
01:06:37that first of all there's no proof that
01:06:38anyone in gamergate harassed anybody on
01:06:40the other side and again if you can show
01:06:42me proof I'm glad to look at it but I
01:06:44would love to see the receipts of that
01:06:46I'm not saying it's on you specifically
01:06:48but I'm saying it's on whoever is
01:06:49claiming that they were harassed to show
01:06:51proof of that to show us that they
01:06:54harassed and also it's been proven it's
01:06:57been proven that Brianna wo has cried
01:06:59wolf and has harassed herself which you
01:07:02even said she has also harassed herself
01:07:04before so why would anyone believe
01:07:06someone who has done this thing of like
01:07:08yeah I've been harassed and they've
01:07:10literally harassed themselves before the
01:07:14the harassing herself thing was
01:07:15inconclusive because I looked at that
01:07:17and what it was was there was a sock
01:07:19puet puppet account inclusive as well
01:07:22well let me just lay it out though okay
01:07:23so there was a sock puppet account that
01:07:25said you know uh something about shoving
01:07:28something in her vagina when I see you
01:07:29next in real life something something
01:07:31heinous like that right and she took the
01:07:32screenshot and she put it up now the
01:07:34screenshot she took was less than was
01:07:37was less than a minute after the Tweet
01:07:39was posted so everyone looked at that
01:07:41and said well clearly she had a sock
01:07:43puppet account she posted the Tweet she
01:07:44logged out she logged back into her own
01:07:46account and then took the screenshot
01:07:48which is possible but that's not proof
01:07:50in and of itself it's a it's it could
01:07:52have happened but it also could be just
01:07:54that she got it off of her notifications
01:07:55tab right away right it's it's one of
01:07:57those things where we just don't know I
01:08:00wouldn't I wouldn't put a past her back
01:08:02then right like she when I tell you that
01:08:04she's not the person now that she was
01:08:06then she was insane 10 years ago I am
01:08:09not Ving for for Brianna wo 10 years ago
01:08:11I'm I'm I am not I will not she she
01:08:14could have done that for sure but she
01:08:17doesn't seem like that kind of person
01:08:19now to me well I I let's table that
01:08:23because sure obviously have a lot to say
01:08:25right and I think we we we should
01:08:27facilitate that conversation I think
01:08:29that'd be really interesting I will I
01:08:30will serve as the uh the moderator of it
01:08:33to to keep things nice and calm because
01:08:35I got no well I like you guys more than
01:08:37I like her but that's fair I just I want
01:08:40to see like the thing is people always
01:08:42cry wolf online and you know what I will
01:08:43come from this little perspective here
01:08:46as a female on the internet guess what
01:08:48that shit's going to [Â __Â ] happen
01:08:49you're going to have people make fun of
01:08:50your looks or whatever and no matter
01:08:52what side you're talking on it's going
01:08:54to [Â __Â ] happen that's the internet
01:08:55okay so these people are crying yeah
01:08:57literally Running With Scissors if we we
01:08:59won't have time to talk about that today
01:09:01but like I'm sure yeah we can but I'm
01:09:03just saying like but these people cry
01:09:06harassment over small things but they
01:09:07never show proof or anything of it and
01:09:10then they just continue to piggyback off
01:09:12that and then they use that to
01:09:14invalidate people who are pointing out
01:09:16legitimate things so now we have to sit
01:09:18here and be like oh yeah well there was
01:09:19some harassment by gamergate show me the
01:09:21[Â __Â ] proof show it to me
01:09:24stop crying about it stop pretending
01:09:26it's a thing show it to me let's I don't
01:09:28believe you until I see it let's bring
01:09:30it back on by the way uh cabus do you
01:09:32remember any were you around for any of
01:09:34this when this was going on do you
01:09:35remember any of uh any of this stuff
01:09:37with gamergate the first time around 10
01:09:39years
01:09:42ago oh your mic's dead dude oh oh cutus
01:09:45no kab hello hello hello hello can you
01:09:48hear me andas is sabotaging you s I
01:09:52forgot to unmute my microphone actually
01:09:55anyway yeah I remember some of those
01:09:57stuff but I mean to be honest uh I mean
01:09:59since I live in Brazil you know I pretty
01:10:02much I mean really far from where all
01:10:04those things happening happen it uh I
01:10:09yeah I mean I remember some of those but
01:10:11I with all those details that Dev is
01:10:13sharing right now definitely not I'm
01:10:16learning a lot right now by the way
01:10:17thank you for this yeah no problem yeah
01:10:20by the
01:10:21way L yeah
01:10:24Memory Lane happy
01:10:26memories I think it's really um it's
01:10:29pretty interesting to see like cutus
01:10:33you're you're an interesting uh test
01:10:36with this whole like sweet baby Inc
01:10:38detected uh steam group because they
01:10:41can't go after you because you are in
01:10:46the United States you would be seen as a
01:10:48minority right and you you're a
01:10:51Brazilian so they can't attack somebody
01:10:53that's not a straight white male right
01:10:56um I mean I right I but being Brazilian
01:10:59you would be seen as even if you are
01:11:01white I don't I don't I don't know the
01:11:03rules when it comes to all this stuff
01:11:04they can't attack so that's what's going
01:11:08to be interesting about this whole thing
01:11:10right is uh there's
01:11:12kabus I don't know uh just something uh
01:11:15really quickly here um Brazilians didn't
01:11:18I mean the vest majority of Brazilians
01:11:20they didn't know about super but right
01:11:22now I'm starting to see some big ass
01:11:26Brazilian Channels with let's say a
01:11:28million subscribers started talking
01:11:30about super B because there was there is
01:11:34a Brazilian guy which is me involved
01:11:36with uh somehow involved with this
01:11:38company so even I mean um Brazilian
01:11:42people I mean the Brazilian gamers are
01:11:44starting to get uh uh an idea of what
01:11:48they do and who they are you know so
01:11:50this is also pretty cool I mean uh the
01:11:52people start to know that about then
01:11:54over here well I am definitely going to
01:11:58uh to launch a page with your with your
01:12:02steam counter on it for sure I'll once
01:12:04we get done I'll get i'll get doing get
01:12:06going to that we'll have it up uh later
01:12:07later today for sure all right let's go
01:12:09continue on dev and uh let's tie it back
01:12:12in because we've taken the uh we've done
01:12:14a long long road trip across the game
01:12:17Big Journey Craig there's a lot to cover
01:12:20I don't blame there's a lot to cover
01:12:21there's a lot to cover this interesting
01:12:22stuff and by the way guys get for the
01:12:23donations the rumble rants super chats
01:12:25we'll get to every single one of them
01:12:26Dev let's continue and and I do just
01:12:29want to say like I I hope that you don't
01:12:31take my disagreement with you a little
01:12:32bit as as like me being hostile towards
01:12:34you or anything right no not at all I'm
01:12:37just I mean we're having a conversation
01:12:39I just think it's important to push back
01:12:40like I could sit here and just listen to
01:12:42give the comprehensive history of
01:12:44gamergate and then be like okay I was on
01:12:46here cool got a few new followers people
01:12:48saw my face nice but the truth is I want
01:12:50to speak out what actually happened and
01:12:52if I disagree with you on something
01:12:54regardless if we're on the same side or
01:12:55not I'm still going to say what I feel
01:12:58and what I think is the truth the truth
01:13:00is is that there wasn't all this
01:13:02harassment that people are claiming and
01:13:03they use it as a crutch to say okay well
01:13:06maybe we weren't all 100% correct things
01:13:08can still happen but our intentions were
01:13:10good I want to see actual proof of these
01:13:13things happening and not just be like oh
01:13:15yeah sure yeah happened because
01:13:16everywhere it must happen yeah and just
01:13:19just so that like everything's clear I
01:13:20am like 95% in agreement with you right
01:13:23I
01:13:23now now that we've been talking I
01:13:25thought about it a bit I knew a person
01:13:26in real life who didn't harass Brianna
01:13:29wo but but um harass n sarkeesian and I
01:13:31was like what the [Â __Â ] like he's like
01:13:33here here's what he did he made like a
01:13:35like a random Twitter account and just
01:13:37said like [Â __Â ] you [Â __Â ] on it right you
01:13:39know what I mean like is that harassment
01:13:41though like honestly that's the other
01:13:42thing the thing is
01:13:44that the goal post is moved for what
01:13:47harassment is constantly like you can
01:13:50make one comment at somebody and that's
01:13:51considered harassment and like Craig
01:13:54alluded to Running With Scissors accused
01:13:56me of literal harassment and there's a
01:13:58whole thing and it's like I wasn't
01:14:00harassing you so I'm just saying that
01:14:02like the term harassment is so Broad and
01:14:05people can easily claim that because
01:14:07they can't understand that like insults
01:14:08happen on the internet like we're not
01:14:10all here to be like BFFs right it's like
01:14:14there's G to be things that happen on
01:14:15internet people are going to disagree
01:14:16people are going to say words to each
01:14:17other doesn't mean you're being
01:14:19harassed a very particular thing so this
01:14:23with I'm harassed this was a big part of
01:14:26gamergate just to give Craig context
01:14:27like there was constant disagreements
01:14:29constant debates because we were looking
01:14:30for the answers and everything and so
01:14:32you were always seeing people just
01:14:34debating back and forth on this but then
01:14:35on the other side on the anti-gamer Gat
01:14:37things if they did disagree they were ah
01:14:39I'm gonna attack you and ruin your life
01:14:41and everything so it was it was really
01:14:43interesting to see the Polar Opposites
01:14:44of like it was constant debates in the
01:14:46gamergate camp and like let's figure
01:14:48this out and then the anti side it was
01:14:49just like con like just backstabbing
01:14:52Insidious nature all that stuff it's one
01:14:55of those things where where it was like
01:14:56it's like these people came into the
01:14:58gaming space not knowing or not caring
01:15:02that the gaming space is a very rough
01:15:03and tumble space because of the way that
01:15:05that it operates it's like a competitive
01:15:06space so there's there's there's a you
01:15:08know there's a there's um smack talking
01:15:10when you're being competitive right and
01:15:12they took that as as direct personal
01:15:14attacks when it wasn't right it was like
01:15:18yeah okay you know what you probably
01:15:19shouldn't be an [Â __Â ] to random people
01:15:20on the internet but people are going to
01:15:21do it it's going to happen you can't let
01:15:23that drive you off the internet like I
01:15:25said I've been I've had so much terrible
01:15:27[Â __Â ] said about me over the years I'm
01:15:29still here you know like you can't let
01:15:31that ruin you and and on some level if
01:15:33you do let that ruin you it becomes your
01:15:35responsibility because oh [Â __Â ] a dozen
01:15:38people said terrible things to me on
01:15:40Twitter I'm gonna make a big stink out
01:15:42of it and run out of my house it's like
01:15:44well you should have a bit more
01:15:45resiliency than that you know what I
01:15:46mean right yeah and like I said there's
01:15:49nothing personal against you I just
01:15:50think it's important to push back on
01:15:52that because I think it's super easy for
01:15:54people to claim harassment but what is
01:15:57harassment well I I'll continue on here
01:15:59because I did also want to point out
01:16:00that there was harassment going the
01:16:01other way as well so what I have here
01:16:03this is a person who cosplayed as Vivan
01:16:05James who was the gamergate
01:16:08mascot um and they got they got uh
01:16:11people told her to [Â __Â ] off they called
01:16:12her a misogynist they went as far as to
01:16:14make violent threats uh some were
01:16:17misgendering her I think this this
01:16:18person was trans um and so you know but
01:16:21it's gamergate that's they supposed to
01:16:22be the harassment campaign right so
01:16:24there's definitely this instance where
01:16:27you have people who are who are very
01:16:28Progressive they receive a bit of push
01:16:30back and they cry about how terrible it
01:16:33is and it might be terrible who knows
01:16:35but they give so much more than they
01:16:37take it becomes ridiculous you know what
01:16:39I
01:16:40mean and that's that's definitely what
01:16:42happened in a lot of these cases here um
01:16:44I know Nick Monroe uh he did a thread
01:16:47Nick he's a good guy he's inval great l
01:16:50y yeah one of the best researchers yeah
01:16:53he uh he did a thread showing um
01:16:56basically uh anti-gamergate using bot
01:17:00accounts to um to push certain messages
01:17:03on Twitter during gamergate this was
01:17:05back in 2018 but he he pulled up 2014
01:17:07era um 2014 era uh uh uh logs and stuff
01:17:13like that it's one of those things where
01:17:14it's like if when anti- gamergate
01:17:18accused gamergate of doing something it
01:17:20might have actually happened 5% of the
01:17:22time
01:17:23and they were doing it in reverse 100%
01:17:26of the time as retaliation you know what
01:17:29I mean it it was that's basically the
01:17:31arrangement here of which ways the
01:17:33harassment was flowing from from Pro to
01:17:36anti from anti to
01:17:38Pro um and I think the reason that this
01:17:42really pissed everyone off everyone on
01:17:44the on the on the uh the progressive
01:17:45side off is because gamergate was the
01:17:48first time that any sort of progressive
01:17:50cultural expansion into into a cultural
01:17:54space received any push back whatsoever
01:17:56right if if you look back into the
01:17:58history of things you see they moved
01:18:00into like rationalist spaces and atheist
01:18:02spaces they turned those places towards
01:18:04Progressive politics it became like
01:18:05atheism plus everyone talks about
01:18:06atheism plus where it's like atheism but
01:18:08also Progressive politics and it's like
01:18:10well you don't have to be a progressive
01:18:11to be an atheist but they made it that
01:18:12way right if you look at uh comic books
01:18:15look at Cinema all of all of these
01:18:16cultural spaces they move in they turn
01:18:19them towards the left gamergate was one
01:18:21of those oh you know a great yeah here
01:18:23this is this is from 2020 but still the
01:18:25same thing how nitt how knitts got
01:18:27knotted in a purity spiral right so this
01:18:29is an article about how how like there
01:18:31was middle-aged middle class female
01:18:34knitts that got their Community online
01:18:37descended into into a conflict over
01:18:39racism allegations and it's like this is
01:18:41a community for people who like to knit
01:18:43no we must talk about racism you know so
01:18:45this happens everywhere but um but
01:18:49gamergate was was the time in which the
01:18:52people who weren't you know they weren't
01:18:54necessarily right leaning but they
01:18:55weren't left-leaning and they were on
01:18:56the ground in these spaces these were
01:18:58their cultural spaces and they pushed
01:18:59back when the progressives came in and
01:19:02that's why it's traumatized them
01:19:05basically on a side note um about this
01:19:08uh this knitting thing um I actually
01:19:10interviewed Carrie Smith and that
01:19:12interview will be going up soon Carrie
01:19:13Smith is from a uh podcast called
01:19:15deprogrammed and she was in the middle
01:19:17of this whole knitting knitting
01:19:19debauchery thing uh she has some really
01:19:21interesting stories about it oh yeah
01:19:23yeah yeah so pretty crazy stuff so yeah
01:19:28and so I collected just real quick this
01:19:30is this is this is how they lost their
01:19:32mind okay so yeah yeah Donald Trump is
01:19:35the gamergate of politics this is from
01:19:362015 right you know every article of
01:19:40this era leading up to the the election
01:19:42in 2016 it was Donald Trump brexit
01:19:44gamergate over and over and over this
01:19:47what Outlet was this uh this was
01:19:49Washington Post Washington okay yeah
01:19:52yeah
01:19:53yeah it escalated es and they pretty
01:19:55much tied Trump to gamergate because
01:19:58like I there was one point when he just
01:20:00started running where he uh retweeted a
01:20:02Pepe which was you know Loosely tied to
01:20:05gamergate and all that stuff so they
01:20:07they just EV it's like every few months
01:20:09they they bring up gamergate it's the
01:20:11non-stop Boogeyman that lives rentree in
01:20:13their heads yep yep so we don't got to
01:20:15go over every one of these I'm just
01:20:16goingon to speedrun them for you real
01:20:17quick you have uh despite gamergate
01:20:20inclusive video games have won and
01:20:21they're here to stay this is in 2018 you
01:20:24know this person here 2018 there's a
01:20:27real politicized hostility to Academia
01:20:29right now but standards and gender
01:20:31studies is the new ethics and gaming
01:20:33journalism and this isn't about peer
01:20:34review so basically like ethics and
01:20:37gaming journalism became like if you're
01:20:38trying to hold me to account you got to
01:20:40be a gamer Gator that became a thing for
01:20:42a while right it's still a thing in some
01:20:43ways um this person had a gamergate
01:20:46discussion in her ethics class at uh at
01:20:49her University 2018 and she's like I'm
01:20:51already having panic attacks about it's
01:20:52like okay dude
01:20:54sure a bit [Â __Â ] much isn't it this is
01:20:57real [Â __Â ] it's so funny yeah they know
01:20:59that like they they want to talk about
01:21:01it but then they don't so I've seen now
01:21:03lately that they'll censor the word
01:21:04gamergate so that it doesn't come up in
01:21:06search feeds so it's only their in Click
01:21:08and their like those who know so they
01:21:10want to keep the boogeyman they want to
01:21:11keep the victim just to them so that we
01:21:13don't laugh at them again it it's
01:21:15absolutely insane there's people in
01:21:16sweet baby that are still like you know
01:21:18censoring the A's in gamergate so that
01:21:20we can't find it but we still do because
01:21:23so so people like this either they're
01:21:25extremely weak and they're actually
01:21:28having panic attacks and is like well
01:21:30you need grow a spine here or they're
01:21:32lying because this gets them clo online
01:21:34right it's one of the two it could be
01:21:35either frankly I I I would I wouldn't be
01:21:37surprised if this person actually had
01:21:38real panic attacks and and it's just
01:21:41because of the of like the the low
01:21:43quality of character that they are
01:21:44basically right um right it's one of the
01:21:46two right um so yeah you had uh this
01:21:49person wrote uh their their thesis for
01:21:51their masters of Art art and criminology
01:21:53on gamergate sh
01:21:55up Bro Team oh God yeah he's a good guy
01:21:59man BR te bill I don't know where he
01:22:01went but he disappeared but he's a good
01:22:02guy yeah he he still tweets every now
01:22:05and then I think and yeah he'll do the
01:22:06occasional video but yeah he was he was
01:22:09freaking hysterical I love that man so
01:22:12you know four years later doing a thesis
01:22:14on gamergate um what the Covington
01:22:17Catholic debacle tells us about the
01:22:18internet today gamergate is everywhere
01:22:21Jesus Christ this this was whole other
01:22:23story about kids from the Covington
01:22:26school they were they got into an
01:22:27altercation back in 2019 with with some
01:22:30leftwing protesters were wearing Mega
01:22:31hats people called it game this is this
01:22:33is one of the gamergate 2.0's was this
01:22:36this w i for one have so much enjoyment
01:22:39that there's people that are spending
01:22:41thousands of dollars in therapy over
01:22:42like the words I've typed on the
01:22:44Internet it's It's the funniest thing
01:22:46ever like people are having nightmares
01:22:47about us like are you kidding me rentree
01:22:51rentree
01:22:53we go gamergate was and always will be a
01:22:56hate movement against women lgbtqia and
01:22:59people of color end of story pretending
01:23:01it it was anything else is
01:23:03escapism right there he tried he tried
01:23:06censoring it important question James K
01:23:10and Dev yo was gamergate and will it
01:23:14always be a hate movement against women
01:23:16lgbtqia and people of color I need your
01:23:18answer right now is it is well I'm just
01:23:20going to say this much hello woman of
01:23:22color here hi I
01:23:25was yeah I'm going like not your Shield
01:23:28all over again I had to do this like
01:23:30[Â __Â ] 10 years ago we didn't even
01:23:31teach CRA about not your Shield oh God
01:23:34okay so not your Shield was a don't care
01:23:36it's awesome I fully support it I have
01:23:39no regrets in supporting it ever I will
01:23:41yell at to the High Heavens I don't care
01:23:44I care about video games okay I care
01:23:46about this industry succeeding no
01:23:48regrets and not a racist sexist whatever
01:23:51movement you should explain what what
01:23:53not your Shield is go ahead I I mean not
01:23:56your Shield was I feel like you can
01:23:58probably explain it better but it was
01:23:59just pretty much people saying like it's
01:24:02not all white men that are in this
01:24:05pretty much the anti gamergate people
01:24:06were accusing us all of being white men
01:24:08because like so puppet accounts right
01:24:11like sock puppet account hi a lot of
01:24:13people yeah a lot of people have issues
01:24:16with people being anonymous online I
01:24:17totally get it I you know shout out to
01:24:19Jim and everyone that's anonymous online
01:24:22because these people will try to ruin
01:24:23your life they will go to your jobs can
01:24:25confirm and they will try to get you
01:24:27fired and all this [Â __Â ] so sometimes
01:24:29being anonymous is uh necessary I mean
01:24:32the founding fathers founding fathers
01:24:33were Anonymous sometimes in the letters
01:24:35there it is not your Shield there's not
01:24:37your shield and so pretty much what
01:24:39happened was they were just accusing us
01:24:40well it's all white men it's all Angry
01:24:42straight white men and you saw the
01:24:43gamers are dead articles they were
01:24:44saying that as well so then a bunch of
01:24:46people that weren't actually uh just
01:24:49white men like k at last I checked
01:24:51you're not a white man this they started
01:24:53tweeting maybe I don't know this' be
01:24:55news to me but they started tweeting
01:24:56like what's going on got a little
01:24:58Michael Jackson going
01:25:00on they started tweeting out in addition
01:25:04like people were pretty much coming out
01:25:06of their Anonymous accounts and being
01:25:08like Oh hey you're an idiot you thought
01:25:09I was a white man and all that stuff
01:25:11here I am a brown woman and you know
01:25:13every and it showed that like we're
01:25:15actually the diverse ones that they
01:25:16constantly claim that they are and it
01:25:18just completely sabotaged yet another
01:25:20narrative for them yeah I was never
01:25:23really like the YouTuber person per se
01:25:25during that I had like talked to some
01:25:27people who were bigger YouTubers and
01:25:28whatever I was more the person on
01:25:30Twitter digging into it just being like
01:25:32this is hilarious but there would be
01:25:34times where I'd be fighting back on this
01:25:36and then you know of course I have my
01:25:37profile picture I was always fully my
01:25:39face everything I was never Anonymous so
01:25:42um they would be like oh this is a fake
01:25:44account this isn't real there's just
01:25:46like a white man running this account
01:25:47all this stuff so what I would do is I
01:25:49would reply to that tweet and film a
01:25:52live video of myself laughing at them
01:25:54with their name and it was like the best
01:25:56thing ever I love doing it yeah there
01:25:58there's like there's a collage out
01:26:00there's a collage out there of of people
01:26:02who are different different colors and
01:26:04different genders they this collage of
01:26:07like I'm part of gamergate I'm here too
01:26:09guys like I knew a lesbian who was part
01:26:11of it I knew a transom who was part of
01:26:12it D had everybody yeah yeah hey I
01:26:15remember you being in some of like
01:26:16people were drawing pictures and I
01:26:18remember you being in one it was wild
01:26:20yeah yeah yeah yeah okay a lot so we've
01:26:23taken we we've started our cross country
01:26:25road we are making way had many many D
01:26:29we've stopped at many gas stations along
01:26:31the way tell many many stories Dev how
01:26:34does this all tie in now tie it all in
01:26:38to what's
01:26:39happening baby in well here here after
01:26:43this speedrun I'm at the sweet baby ink
01:26:45part so this this is the final Point
01:26:47okay so yeah so we're going to speedrun
01:26:49these again yeah gamergate this is from
01:26:51last year gamergate is when people buy
01:26:52games that they enjoy yeah so like like
01:26:54look this this guy says how on Earth is
01:26:56a trashy hentai puzzle game the second B
01:26:58biggest seller on Steam this is from
01:26:592022 I think you all know that vastly
01:27:01higher quality puzzle games and porn are
01:27:03all are all over the place and cheaper
01:27:05right and it's not made by a creepy
01:27:07gamergate type so they're still talking
01:27:09about it in
01:27:102022 um BioWare narrative this is my
01:27:13friend V here by the way he's a good guy
01:27:15you should follow him oh I haven't heard
01:27:17in a while we play D and D together
01:27:19every week on Arch's Channel he's a GU
01:27:21oh [Â __Â ]
01:27:22um but uh BioWare narrative director
01:27:24John elper claims that fan
01:27:26disappointment with Mass Effect 3 and
01:27:28Dragon Age 2 was the Proto gamergate in
01:27:31some ways he's probably correct because
01:27:32it was also a fan outrage that happened
01:27:33with the with how bad Mass Effect 3
01:27:35ended um but basically I can go through
01:27:38these maybe I won't go through every
01:27:39single one of them I'll just click on
01:27:40them right because each one is a person
01:27:42who is very Lefty bringing up gamergate
01:27:46right like I I got to read this one at
01:27:49least the actual claim I made in an
01:27:51article is to question is in question is
01:27:54an illustration of the tendency to
01:27:55clumsily inject left-wing politics into
01:27:57the
01:28:00non-politically a gamergate position so
01:28:03I
01:28:04guess yeah so like these people they
01:28:06kept oh this one just seems to be dead
01:28:08I'll just skip that one like oh yeah
01:28:10this person's blaming gamer blaming uh
01:28:11the covid pandemic on gamergate
01:28:15yeah yeah yeah I'm
01:28:19sorry um this person's blaming the
01:28:22January 6th Capital Riot on gamergate
01:28:24here okay look we it's been well
01:28:26established there's a lot of really
01:28:28[Â __Â ] up mentally people in the game
01:28:30stupidity yes they blamed everything on
01:28:33gamer gate and they're still doing it
01:28:35they're still doing it like this is 2022
01:28:37here's sarkeesian same [Â __Â ] all right
01:28:40the reason I that I I compiled this this
01:28:42whole list we didn't get to all them
01:28:43it's fine is to is to let you know that
01:28:45because gamergate actually had some wins
01:28:49and it wasn't just a complete victory
01:28:51for for the progressives they took some
01:28:53L's they this is like their Vietnam they
01:28:55have PTSD over losing parts of their
01:28:58cultural battle and they still talk
01:29:00about it even now and like you can find
01:29:02someone right now talking about how
01:29:04gamergate is just like what's happening
01:29:05today you know it's they they they've
01:29:07lost their minds basically so I will now
01:29:11bring us to what is relevant directly
01:29:13for yeah for what's happening today okay
01:29:16so this is a story early on from
01:29:18gamergate that I skipped for this reason
01:29:19actually you know what I'll do you know
01:29:21what I'll do where is
01:29:24it zance yep when I said this that me
01:29:28that's why so many of us are supporting
01:29:30a fundraiser to get more women into
01:29:31developing games we hate them and this
01:29:33person replies with nobody cares about
01:29:35your [Â __Â ] blood money this is what
01:29:37we're talking about now is the blood
01:29:39money let's take a look at the blood
01:29:40Money okay so this is the fine young
01:29:44capitalists I'm sure you two remember
01:29:46this right yeah yeah yeah okay that's my
01:29:49first time hearing this okay so the fine
01:29:51young capitalist were another game Jam
01:29:53project happening at the same time as
01:29:55Zoe's game jam and as the one sabotaged
01:29:58game Jam that that Zoe sabotage and
01:30:01Nathan Grayson reported on going all the
01:30:02way back to the beginning right and this
01:30:05game Jam was also sabotaged by by Zoe
01:30:08Quinn around the same time so it really
01:30:11does seem like she was doing her best to
01:30:13get competitors out of the space so that
01:30:15she could have her own you know it was
01:30:17supposed to be televised I think in fact
01:30:19so she this is like her big move right
01:30:22um so she basically Zoe decides to
01:30:26destroy these people because they were
01:30:28making a game jam it was supposed to be
01:30:30like a feminist oriented game jam it was
01:30:34only and she wants to destroy them so
01:30:36they told their story on Reddit uh she
01:30:39[Â __Â ] doxed me ruined a production for
01:30:41women refused to contact us she's
01:30:42currently taking money for a game jam
01:30:44with no start date no location and no
01:30:46judges and they go into the story here
01:30:48that you can find this post very easy
01:30:50this went viral a whole bunch of times
01:30:51uh but basically Zoe destroyed her
01:30:53competitors so let's take a look at how
01:30:56Zoe destroyed her
01:30:59competitors this is our friend Lego
01:31:01butss we're coming back around Pottery
01:31:04folks it all comes together here we are
01:31:07yep February 28
01:31:092014 does anyone have any opinions on
01:31:11this the fine young capitalist
01:31:14decom um Zoe says I'm not sure about
01:31:17this if you're sad that women aren't
01:31:18making more games why are you asking for
01:31:20six months of unpaid lab from them
01:31:22that's how she spun this it was It was
01:31:24supposed to be like a women give them
01:31:27women give the F young capitalists their
01:31:29pitch for games that they can't make
01:31:30themselves and the best pitch will be
01:31:32voted on and then the fine young
01:31:34capitalists will help them make the game
01:31:37and that was how their fundraiser was
01:31:38supposed to go so always like this this
01:31:41is specifically for women though women
01:31:43developers yes yes okay that the F young
01:31:45capitalist were four women developers
01:31:47okay and Zoe saw them as like a
01:31:49competitor so she spins this up right um
01:31:53Lego but says I like how my whole
01:31:56timeline is talking about this now so
01:31:58they these two had a lot more clout in
01:31:592014 on Twitter and they use this clout
01:32:03to shine a spotlight on these people and
01:32:06uh Zoe says we make [Â __Â ] happened you
01:32:09know um we blew up the site and it's
01:32:11returning over quota errors how [Â __Â ]
01:32:14appropriate so they actually uh Zoe and
01:32:16Lego buts got together to docs not docs
01:32:18uh to to dos the site and they took down
01:32:21the site
01:32:22uh for those you don't know dosing is
01:32:24when you have a computer set up to
01:32:26repeatedly ping a site to the point that
01:32:28it overwhelms its ability to take new
01:32:30traffic and the site goes down so Zoe
01:32:33saw them as a threat Lego butts being a
01:32:36very good friend and also one of the
01:32:37people that Zoe was sleeping with behind
01:32:38Aaron's back this has all happened at
01:32:40the same time they they take down the
01:32:42site um hold on here what's the next one
01:32:45right I like how a conversation between
01:32:48me and Lego buts resulted in
01:32:49accidentally killing an an exploitative
01:32:51startups website so people were pissed
01:32:54at them for this because it was
01:32:56obviously pretty ridiculous that that
01:32:57these people are going after their
01:32:58competitors in this way and framing it
01:33:00as if it's some sort of social justice
01:33:01push right right well so what's what's
01:33:04amazing to me about this whole thing is
01:33:06is um this is like they clearly knew
01:33:10what they're doing they're trying to
01:33:11send send traffic to it to shut down it
01:33:13and this whole that this whole gamergate
01:33:15thing am I right and say this this whole
01:33:18thing started with it started with a
01:33:20game Jam like that's the whole origin of
01:33:23gamergate it started with a game Jam
01:33:25well the origin was yeah yeah the orig
01:33:29was the Zoe post was was uh was Aaron
01:33:32getting cheated on by Zoe but then the
01:33:34investigations that came out of the
01:33:35people that she cheated on him with that
01:33:37was where all the digging began
01:33:40yeah and massive snowball from there and
01:33:43now gamergate has influenced our
01:33:45presidency and the entire world as we
01:33:47know yeah and it's being blamed to this
01:33:49day for literally everything that
01:33:50happens like if you
01:33:53yeah so they they also hacked the uh the
01:33:55F on capitalist Facebook page which they
01:33:57snarkily reply to here thank you for
01:33:59helping me update my Facebook private
01:34:01privacy settings so and that that was a
01:34:03great like you know everything but Craig
01:34:05there's like so much more like there is
01:34:07hours of content every single day it it
01:34:10was absolutely insane to just I'm
01:34:11skimming over what happened to I am
01:34:12skimming over what happened to the fun
01:34:14young capitalist but they basically
01:34:15destroyed this person's this person's
01:34:17charity and it was Lego butts and Zoe
01:34:19Quinn um so and bringing it back
01:34:23bringing it back to cutus here with Lego
01:34:26butts now you know the type of people
01:34:28you're dealing with here
01:34:30buddy like yeah if they can destroy you
01:34:33they will basically don't be afraid of
01:34:35that man so many people behind you and
01:34:38they're not going to destroy you so I
01:34:40know bigger now than we ever were yeah
01:34:43yep like I know what you mean by that
01:34:44phrase Dev but like I just I don't want
01:34:46people to be afraid of these people
01:34:48either because there's so many that's
01:34:50what they want I agree yeah they want
01:34:52and they they Thrive off of the idea
01:34:54that they have you know provenly
01:34:56destroyed people before and so more
01:34:58people get afraid they don't want to
01:34:59stand up because they don't know how
01:35:00many people are on their side you have
01:35:02at least 130,000 people on your side
01:35:04brother at least and that's gonna keep
01:35:07growing so don't worry about it man we
01:35:09got you and on top of that like we're
01:35:13the internet is way more organized like
01:35:16YouTube channels get way more traffic
01:35:18than kitaku or polygon ever does now and
01:35:22the reach the reach there is so much
01:35:25more so like man this this isn't even a
01:35:29fight at this point it's it's honestly
01:35:31like it would be a demolition in the
01:35:34event that that these if Kotaku polygon
01:35:36as you guys say if these Legacy Outlet
01:35:39media traditional media Outlets come out
01:35:41and and they're like look at the look at
01:35:43how sweet baby Inc was attacked and this
01:35:46cutus was such a bad person do you know
01:35:49how much desperation yes and like
01:35:52everybody will look at these and and
01:35:55they will laugh at their ass and
01:35:57humiliation is the way to handle this
01:36:00you point and you laugh and you say you
01:36:02are [Â __Â ] [Â __Â ] like that is not
01:36:05what happened stop spinning this [Â __Â ]
01:36:08stop spinning it and lying that's really
01:36:09what it comes down to so time for fear
01:36:12is over yeah [Â __Â ] take it to them man
01:36:16yeah it's it's not the same as it was 10
01:36:17years ago they had a lot more power then
01:36:18we had a lot less and now it's in the
01:36:19reverse yeah so 100 even though they
01:36:22they have destroyed people and they're
01:36:23capable of doing it that doesn't mean
01:36:25like you can we can take them at this
01:36:26point like it's fine but um but but yeah
01:36:29so so they destroyed the Fon capitalists
01:36:31and and they went down and then this
01:36:33happened you know six months before
01:36:34gamergate we all discovered when
01:36:35gamergate kicked off because we all
01:36:37digging into these people and so I did a
01:36:39video this is a video that I did in
01:36:41August of 2014 I'm not like I'll I'm not
01:36:44gonna actually play it I'll just kind of
01:36:45have it animated in the background while
01:36:47I describe to you what I said in it just
01:36:49real quick so um also the video is
01:36:53terrible because it's from 2014 I don't
01:36:54know how to make videos back then of
01:36:55course there's Jim there's Jim there's
01:36:58Jim so I decided to dig into uh me and
01:37:01my friends because it was a more
01:37:02collaborative Channel back then we dug
01:37:03into um Maya Kramer's history she was
01:37:06Mya Kramer then she's now she's now
01:37:08Felix but so we discovered that um one
01:37:12Zoe Quinn claimed to the Fine Young
01:37:14capitalist that that that Kramer never
01:37:16worked for that's untrue because Kramer
01:37:18did PR for Zoe's games through a company
01:37:20called Sil string media
01:37:24um uh hold on here right silver string
01:37:27media so actually I can just pause this
01:37:29now because I can just show it to you I
01:37:30think I have it right here so silver
01:37:32string media is a critically acclaimed
01:37:34game studio and narrative design firm
01:37:37with a team full of unique voices we
01:37:38create hopeful imperfect worlds and we
01:37:41fill digital spaces with love and Cosmic
01:37:43awe maybe I can zoom in here a little
01:37:44bit there we go so silver string media
01:37:48is a queer Le video game and Nar Design
01:37:50Studio crafting original games and
01:37:52providing services in digital
01:37:53placemaking and storytelling leadership
01:37:55based in Vancouver British Columbia and
01:37:56a team of diverse talents across Canada
01:37:59each of us bring a unique voice and
01:38:00multiple valued perspectives to the
01:38:01development process so silvering media
01:38:04what they actually do they've worked on
01:38:05Celeste Krypto the necro dancer where
01:38:07the water tastes like wine manifold
01:38:09Garden Wonder song they also worked on I
01:38:10think uh tunic as well um this company
01:38:15is doing what sweet baby Inc does same
01:38:19kind of thing they do Consulting work
01:38:21and when you consult them to work at
01:38:23your to work for your game they'll they
01:38:25they'll put together like PR and
01:38:27marketing they'll they'll punch up your
01:38:28scripts and make them more inclusive and
01:38:30more diverse but they they do the exact
01:38:32same thing and um though if you go to
01:38:35their team now it's the same founder but
01:38:38the people here are different um at one
01:38:41point at one point um Maya Kramer worked
01:38:44for this company as well as an
01:38:47sarkeesian
01:38:48so uh Lego butts was doing this the same
01:38:51thing that they did at that they're
01:38:54currently doing at Sweet Baby Inc they
01:38:56did it 10 years ago in silver string
01:38:58media and nothing's changed who did
01:39:02sorry what who did silver string media
01:39:03work with uh you mean for like like the
01:39:06the IPS they worked on and stuff yeah
01:39:07the games and such so mostly smaller
01:39:10Indie titles it's a lot of Indie titles
01:39:12but there are some big ones I I think
01:39:13glitchhikers is considered a bigger
01:39:14Indie title right now um if you go back
01:39:18and back and back hold
01:39:22on oh man maybe they n of them were
01:39:24quality games like well tunic was
01:39:27actually an okay game though because
01:39:28they work with they worked on tunic and
01:39:29tunic was an okay game um I'm just gonna
01:39:32go back to the front page because they
01:39:32had like a list there that wasn't part
01:39:34of that list but uh yeah so Celeste good
01:39:37game crypto the necro dancer good game
01:39:40um they work on tunic it's not on here
01:39:41but I know for a fact they did that was
01:39:43a good game so there there are there are
01:39:45games that are quality that they've
01:39:47worked on it's not just garbage but it's
01:39:50a lot of garbage and also when you look
01:39:52at when you look at games like Celeste
01:39:54and crypto the necrodancer and tunic it
01:39:57has some parts of it that very clearly
01:40:00seem kind of progressive with Celeste is
01:40:02more obvious with the others is less
01:40:03obvious but that really feels like that
01:40:06that's their influence you know that's
01:40:07the that's the screen wave sorry not
01:40:10screen wave Jesus that's the silver
01:40:11string media you know drop into into the
01:40:14project right um now the issue
01:40:18ultimately is that as we began looking
01:40:20into into silver string media um we
01:40:23noticed is it still playing in this
01:40:25video I'll probably yeah I'll have it
01:40:27here so we noticed that a lot of the
01:40:30games that were winning at the
01:40:31independent games Festival they were
01:40:34they were uh silver string media games
01:40:36back in
01:40:372014 and also that Lego butts was having
01:40:42sex with people at the the independent
01:40:45games festival and that was the big that
01:40:47was the big blowa away from from this
01:40:50video is that she was [Â __Â ] people who
01:40:53were who ran the igf some of them who
01:40:56were judges at the igf and her games
01:40:58were all winning I have so many
01:41:00questions the games she consulted for
01:41:02were
01:41:03winning what you said Lego butts was a
01:41:06guy now a girl is that right no other
01:41:09way around was a girl is now a guy okay
01:41:11so back then yeah okay so now was a girl
01:41:16now a guy like if I go back a bit here
01:41:18so okay is it here
01:41:21so many questions so this is Lego buts
01:41:2310 years ago uhhuh Fe feminine just you
01:41:26know very social justi but feminine
01:41:28right yeah and Lego buts now W is is on
01:41:33is on the testosterone has a beard has h
01:41:36no no longer has breasts has has fully
01:41:38transitioned but you know what Lego buts
01:41:40doesn't have a
01:41:43dick this why we get along
01:41:47Craig keep it real y'all I'm just saying
01:41:50I mean I mean she she might have a
01:41:52Franken dick I don't know but
01:41:54like uh how is a sausage made that's
01:41:57what I want to know uh you don't you
01:41:59don't want to know how the sausage just
01:42:00made my friend hey congratulations by
01:42:02the way
01:42:0533,000 nice over here sweet baby Inc
01:42:08detected over on
01:42:10Steam go that's awesome absolute
01:42:14King all right um wow so that's a long
01:42:18way back to see how this is all tied
01:42:20together Brutus and and so just because
01:42:24this is now at the end so I can I can
01:42:25quickly finish up now i' I've got maybe
01:42:27two or three minutes to go at this point
01:42:28yeah yeah take your time buddy
01:42:31basically um Aaron was told by
01:42:35Zoe that Kramer was sleeping with the
01:42:38guy who runs the independent games
01:42:40festival and then looking into the guy
01:42:42who runs it his name is Brandon Boer uh
01:42:45it turns out they have they do actually
01:42:46have a relationship or they did back
01:42:47then right um the people who won awards
01:42:50at the IG F they were all of Kramer's
01:42:52friends and they were all people who
01:42:53worked with silver string media um
01:42:55silver string media also did Consulting
01:42:57work for kataku uh polygon Gamespot
01:43:01Destructoid and
01:43:03gamasutra uh basically even though
01:43:06gamergate started as as an investigation
01:43:08to Zoe Quinn we pretty quickly
01:43:10discovered that Maya Kramer and Anita
01:43:12sarkeesian they were the connecting
01:43:14tissue for a lot of the gamergate era
01:43:16corruption because everything was
01:43:17flowing through silver string media at
01:43:20that time
01:43:21um and that's when I started looking
01:43:22into the igf and when I looked into the
01:43:24igf my my investigation there eventually
01:43:26took me away from from Maya Kramer
01:43:29because that's when I got into looking
01:43:30into uh Phil fish and Fez which is a
01:43:32different story The tldr of that is I
01:43:35got a hold of polytron hacked financial
01:43:37data I cross I um sorry we cross cross
01:43:41referenced their corporate investor list
01:43:44with a list of publicly available igf
01:43:46judges and we discovered that Fez won
01:43:49igf awards from from judges who were who
01:43:51were financially invested in the company
01:43:54but um but at the same time M Kramer was
01:43:57somewhat involved in that because she
01:43:59did Consulting work through silvering
01:44:01media for Phil fish when I published my
01:44:04video this was her response at the time
01:44:08back in the day she said I'm deleting
01:44:10everyone who isn't a close friend on
01:44:11Facebook sorry I just can't handle this
01:44:14holy [Â __Â ] I'm so
01:44:15angry I'm nuking my Facebook and
01:44:17starting over again it'll take too long
01:44:19to actually sift through, 1400 people
01:44:21decide I nuked my Facebook I just don't
01:44:23have the energy to deal with people
01:44:24telling me I have to defend or Justify
01:44:26myself in this situation this is [Â __Â ]
01:44:28up so uh Lego buts did not take it well
01:44:33when I basically shined a big light on
01:44:35the kind of corruption they were getting
01:44:36up to at some point she leaves silver
01:44:39string media moves to Toronto from
01:44:42Vancouver transitions to becoming Felix
01:44:46uh Felix Kramer instead of Maya Kramer
01:44:48and now as a man uh he works for um for
01:44:52sweet baby Inc but nothing's actually
01:44:56changed this person is still doing the
01:44:59same thing they used to do they changed
01:45:01companies probably to reduce some of the
01:45:03heat but it's still happening all the
01:45:06same thing that we did that we
01:45:08discovered about this person 10 years
01:45:09ago it's still happening
01:45:12today and that's that's kind of the big
01:45:14the big the big takeaway of this is that
01:45:17it's it's it almost feels like gamergate
01:45:18didn't stop like not this this this is
01:45:20game gate 2.0 it's like it didn't stop
01:45:22the same players are doing the same
01:45:25things you know what I mean this is like
01:45:27an extension of what happened before um
01:45:30and I mean you you went over this long
01:45:32thread here at the start of the stream
01:45:34Craig where Lego buts is talking about
01:45:36the sweet baby ink detected thing on
01:45:38Steam and and how like people are coming
01:45:41after them for this for this uh company
01:45:43it it's the same thing it like it it is
01:45:46a continuation of what happened 10 years
01:45:48ago and it's one of those things where
01:45:49like on like some gamer Gators say that
01:45:53like we won and it's like well did we
01:45:54though because the same people are doing
01:45:56the same stuff you know they some of
01:45:58them might have had to like change jobs
01:46:00or change companies some of them change
01:46:02names but the same stuff's
01:46:07happening and that's where we come back
01:46:09to our boy 130
01:46:12133,000 strong cab Brutus way to go
01:46:15buddy uh
01:46:18as I mean realistically okay James K Dev
01:46:22you guys were there the first
01:46:24time I'm ready you think it's gonna be a
01:46:27week but you know like are we are we are
01:46:29they organizing today after this chaos
01:46:31like and are we being that
01:46:34conspiratorial are we thinking that that
01:46:36the same thing is happening right now
01:46:39that uh yeah Craig it it is Pottery uh
01:46:42you know it's like poetry at Rhymes and
01:46:45uh that's a thing is if you want to call
01:46:47gamergate a war or something well you
01:46:49know we whoever side won or lost or
01:46:51whatever really all that happened is
01:46:53that people kept carrying on and as we
01:46:55said like some people went one way other
01:46:57people went another all these people
01:46:59were involved in gamergate back in the
01:47:00day they're just now in different
01:47:01companies making their own companies
01:47:03they have new friends they're doing new
01:47:04sex for favors all that stuff and so uh
01:47:08yeah it's just the main thing to focus
01:47:10is on is that there is way more of us
01:47:12now and there's a way bigger
01:47:14understanding of what's going on and I
01:47:16think thanks to this stream and this
01:47:18video like there's a very clear concise
01:47:20of the past and the present and now
01:47:22going forward what we do in the future
01:47:24so the ownership Falls to everyone
01:47:26watching this you know vote with your
01:47:28wallet stand up for the people that are
01:47:30actually making quality content don't
01:47:33support people that hate you I say this
01:47:34all the time these people hate you don't
01:47:37give them money and that's the thing is
01:47:39they don't care about this content and
01:47:40everything so you need to starve them of
01:47:42money you need to point it out let your
01:47:44friends know let everyone know what is
01:47:45absolutely going on here and that's how
01:47:48we end up winning in this round two if
01:47:50this is around too and if you guys need
01:47:53some advice on how voting with your
01:47:55wallet just check out my list there are
01:47:58some games over there great
01:47:59list don't don't buy those games yeah
01:48:02don't buy those games start start by
01:48:04there okay that that's a pretty good
01:48:06start I would say and and to kind of
01:48:09echo what you're saying James it's
01:48:10important that instead of supporting
01:48:12that [Â __Â ] support creators that are
01:48:15talking against this create you know
01:48:17subscribe to your favorite YouTubers and
01:48:19support them as best you can let let
01:48:21them know you appreciate having these
01:48:23conversations because I said at the end
01:48:25of the day this this this goes back to
01:48:28the whole idea of like video games touch
01:48:32everything it's the biggest entertain
01:48:34entertainment medium in the world it
01:48:37dwarfs movies it dwarfs TV it dwarfs
01:48:41everything video games are the trickle
01:48:44down effect that's why this is important
01:48:46people don't understand how important it
01:48:49is and and I know that sounds stupid
01:48:51video games video games are incredibly
01:48:53important to the entire cultural it's it
01:48:56starts in America and it trickles down
01:48:59and gaming and important gaming is
01:49:01incredibly important in America it's
01:49:03ridiculous each and every one of you in
01:49:04the chat you don't know how loud you can
01:49:06be and how important your voice is look
01:49:08at gamergate that was a you know a small
01:49:11group and it grew and grew and grew
01:49:12we're kicking off running and we're way
01:49:14bigger than it ever was so each and
01:49:16every one of you if you're like oh well
01:49:18my voice doesn't matter you know I'm an
01:49:20I don't have like a profile picture or
01:49:22anything what am I going to do no you
01:49:23can literally just go shout and make
01:49:26your voices heard you can share this you
01:49:28can share information you can subscribe
01:49:30to the curator list cab brutus's curator
01:49:32list and you can vote with your wallet
01:49:33there's so much you can do that these
01:49:36people will absolutely hate you for most
01:49:38importantly laugh at them and point at
01:49:40them because they hate that more than
01:49:41anything folks TR Spotlight and laugh
01:49:44speaking of speaking of laughing I uh
01:49:46been I've been skimming through the Law
01:49:48and Order SVU episode
01:49:52this is the best okay this this cop here
01:49:54finds a lady in a in a uh restroom
01:49:58apparently and just listen to this is
01:49:59spectacular police
01:50:01officer what happened these guys they
01:50:05just they just can't stand women
01:50:06engaging oh
01:50:08yeah the best line they do to
01:50:12you they leveled up oo that
01:50:15hurts they leveled up I still quote that
01:50:18to this day yeah it's so
01:50:21good gamer girl go home G is is this a
01:50:25parodi or something like this no a
01:50:28real for real this is like for real I me
01:50:32our reality was literally TV so they are
01:50:35trying to say that the stuff like this
01:50:37actually happens throughout the Gaming
01:50:39Community a bunch of nerds would do
01:50:42something like this with a chick instead
01:50:45of worshiping her for just just for her
01:50:47being a girl that likes video games
01:50:49right yeah trying to say that I'll get
01:50:50beat up in an alley for playing video
01:50:52games and then it's they leveled up from
01:50:55that they gained some experience yeah so
01:50:58I wonder what their spec is like now you
01:51:00know if they got new gear or something
01:51:01after beating her up oh my God I just
01:51:04realized I just realized you asked me um
01:51:07I'm sorry I forgot your name um the one
01:51:10woman on the panel what's your name I'm
01:51:11sorry kutus
01:51:13k no no I think he's you the the woman
01:51:17on the panel I forgot your name I'm
01:51:19sorry that's just K it's just K okay I'm
01:51:22sorry for forgetting I I apologize um
01:51:25you know you know I I I just remembered
01:51:27though K you wanted me to talk about um
01:51:29alak Kaaka right and I realized that's
01:51:32that's the that's the final thing on the
01:51:34list I forgot we should probably finish
01:51:35it up with that that's the final thing
01:51:37Okay so we've all looked at uh pictures
01:51:39like this right where uh sweet baby Inc
01:51:41is the narrative consultancy services
01:51:43company who's responsible for
01:51:44advertising video game companies how to
01:51:45make woke games and people everyone's
01:51:48doing stuff like this everyone's doing
01:51:49digs again it feels just like gamergate
01:51:50again everyone is pulling up screen caps
01:51:52and and new
01:51:54information uh we we covered grum's
01:51:56tweets grum's big back during gamergate
01:51:58as well so oh I've had so many
01:52:00conversations with Mark back in the day
01:52:01he is an absolute Legend and he's stood
01:52:04up for everything since then yep so yeah
01:52:07he's he's been a pretty good guy I I
01:52:08don't even think he remembers me to be
01:52:09honest but uh I remember him for sure I
01:52:11remember him being a great guy during
01:52:12the gamergate days but yeah so all of
01:52:14this stuff is happening and it's
01:52:15important to to recognize that uh sweet
01:52:17baby Inc isn't the only company doing
01:52:20this because uh silver string media is
01:52:22still around right and you guys
01:52:24mentioned other companies as well there
01:52:25was that dragon baby one that we talked
01:52:26about a little bit at the start where I
01:52:28I looked into that a bit during the
01:52:30stream and and it looks like that
01:52:31they're um they're a translation company
01:52:34primarily and their whole thing this is
01:52:36this is a big deal this is a whole other
01:52:37conversation this is a big deal in the
01:52:39anime Community right now where you have
01:52:42people who are who are very Progressive
01:52:44in anime
01:52:46translation and um what they do is they
01:52:48will change the scripts of an anime to
01:52:51make them more Progressive when they
01:52:52translate them into English so people in
01:52:54the anime Community like what the [Â __Â ]
01:52:56like I I'll just pirate my anime and get
01:52:58fan Subs now because you guys are
01:52:59ruining this too and they're translating
01:53:01games improperly and it's a whole other
01:53:04Rabbit Hole of gamergate type stuff in
01:53:07in translations from from Japanese to
01:53:09English so uh dragon baby seems to be a
01:53:11company more involved in that side of
01:53:13the story um but what's important is
01:53:15that alongside um silver string media
01:53:18and alongside um sweet baby Inc there
01:53:20was that other company that you
01:53:22mentioned K called weird ghosts right
01:53:25and weird ghosts is like is like a
01:53:26related company and that they sometimes
01:53:28work together and so I looked into them
01:53:30as well um an impact fund for Studios
01:53:33led by underrepresented Founders across
01:53:35Canada it's the same th it's always
01:53:37Canadians man it's always us those damn
01:53:39Le sorry everyone it's the damn least
01:53:41day of the rake can't come soon enough
01:53:44true but it's it's the same sort of
01:53:46thing happening um um at some point
01:53:49someone I saw some screenshots that
01:53:51sweet baby is being funded or is related
01:53:53to this so I don't know if that's still
01:53:54on their website it mysteriously went
01:53:56down um after some people were reporting
01:53:58on it and now it's back up so I don't
01:53:59know if that's still on there but I
01:54:02screenshot float around that on their
01:54:05yep yep there there's some relation
01:54:06there for sure um so yeah you have like
01:54:08uh this person here I'll read this one
01:54:10first a person named Jenny is a queer
01:54:12white settler Community Arts Advocate
01:54:15and organizer software developer leader
01:54:17in the and leader in the DM industry she
01:54:21co-founded the video game Arts
01:54:22nonprofits DMG Toronto and Gamma space
01:54:25collaborative Studio okay and here's the
01:54:28thing when you you'll see in Canada a
01:54:30lot you'll see like settler as an
01:54:32identity yes and that's basically a way
01:54:34in Canada specifically for people to uh
01:54:37self- flagellate for being a white
01:54:39person living on what was traditionally
01:54:42native land before white people showed
01:54:43up right you see that a lot there's a
01:54:45thing happening in Canada all the time
01:54:47called land acknowledgements yeah where
01:54:50basically you see I saw it in like my
01:54:52local grocery store in fact they a that
01:54:55said this store was built on the
01:54:57traditional lands of some dead tribe
01:54:59that no longer exists you know what I
01:55:01mean it's like okay dude why do I need
01:55:03to know about this but land
01:55:04acknowledgements are a big thing in
01:55:06Canada it's it's like a specifically
01:55:07Canadian woke thing that happens um this
01:55:10person here uh El you're cool if you get
01:55:12called a colonizer pretty much you're a
01:55:14cool
01:55:15guy yeah if you're willing to do the
01:55:18whole white guilt virtue signal
01:55:20basically yeah so this person here the
01:55:21other P founding person of weird ghosts
01:55:23uh elen Mary Hol Hollow hola holoka
01:55:27something like that yeah um bless elen
01:55:29the she is a queer and disabled white
01:55:32settler living on treaty one territory
01:55:35in Winnipeg they're a writer Game Dev
01:55:38and Community organizer and Advocate
01:55:39with a background in theater games
01:55:40poetry and health Communications have a
01:55:42PhD and communication studies okay so
01:55:45weird ghost baby ghost these are these
01:55:47are all these all these comp break
01:55:49you're breaking him look at him he's
01:55:51broken so so all these companies they do
01:55:54the same kind of thing that that sweet
01:55:56baby does and that silver string media
01:55:57did Canada man and it's it's it's all
01:56:00the same people jumping from company to
01:56:02company somehow pull and here's how they
01:56:04do it right so so iooting right now
01:56:07Craig's rebooting I did an
01:56:11interview hey D can I ask save us Craig
01:56:14save us Canadians sure what's up dude I
01:56:17mean why do they always go with baby the
01:56:20name of the companies that's so creepy
01:56:22in my opinion it's an endearing term
01:56:24they use apparently there's a lot of
01:56:26messages back and forth that they call
01:56:27things they're sweet babies and that's
01:56:29where this came from baby you [Â __Â ] up
01:56:32Mally in the head baby you have
01:56:37issues you need to get off that stolen
01:56:41land so maybe you need to get out of
01:56:44Canada cuz there are apparently a bunch
01:56:46of idiots up there oh my God three
01:56:48people on my panel right
01:56:51now so I um I did an interview I did an
01:56:56interview of a developer that worked for
01:56:58on the Saints Row reboot right and so I
01:57:00asked him some questions about like what
01:57:02it was like working on that game and he
01:57:04outlined that um there were a lot of
01:57:07woke people there and they caused a lot
01:57:08of problems but the primary problem is
01:57:10that management didn't know what they
01:57:11were doing right you had a bunch of
01:57:13people at the top of the company who
01:57:15don't give a [Â __Â ] about anything woke
01:57:17they want to make money they're like
01:57:18what makes us money I don't know we're
01:57:1965 years old we have no idea what makes
01:57:21us money anymore and then you know the
01:57:22blue-haired 20-year-old intern comes in
01:57:24to serve coffee and says I know what
01:57:26makes money kids like woke stuff
01:57:28nowadays and it's like really if if you
01:57:29put LGBT Flags in our game will they
01:57:31will we get make more money it's like
01:57:33yes of course you will and so that's
01:57:34been what's been going on for the past
01:57:36you know five seven nine years now is
01:57:38that people they're not ideologically
01:57:40committed to this stuff they were told
01:57:42that this would make them money and so
01:57:44they're like how how do we put woke
01:57:45stuff in our game there's there's money
01:57:46in it right so they hire out they they
01:57:49go to the these Consulting companies who
01:57:50adverti these writing services and so
01:57:52this guy that I interviewed for Saints
01:57:54Row he said they brought on a writer
01:57:57from a consulting company which we now
01:57:59know to be sweet baby Inc we I didn't
01:58:01know it back then but we now know it and
01:58:03that the other writers that were in in
01:58:06volition they could not override the the
01:58:09consultant they brought in they were
01:58:11there to be supports to the sweet baby
01:58:14riter that was brought
01:58:15in and and so that he he described the
01:58:17whole like workflow and how everything
01:58:19went down at um at while making uh that
01:58:22game um what what's what's going on here
01:58:25though is that this person here elen
01:58:27Mary H Haka uh this person is the sister
01:58:31of Alec Haka and this will bring us
01:58:33right around we've now gone full circle
01:58:35all the way back to the start of
01:58:37gamergate we're gonna go right back to
01:58:38the beginning now so can't
01:58:42wait right right okay uh yeah so this
01:58:45game here Night in the Woods Night in
01:58:47the Woods is a game it's a very
01:58:49Progressive game and it's made by Alec
01:58:51halaka who was the brother of elen
01:58:54halaka who works for uh weird ghosts and
01:58:57from what I understand it's actually
01:58:58like not a bad game it is a walking
01:58:59simulator so if you're not into that
01:59:00you're not into that but as walking
01:59:02simulators go it's actually a pretty
01:59:04decent little game um you can tell by
01:59:06the art style though like it's it's very
01:59:07clearly made by a progressive right
01:59:09someone who's kind of appealing to those
01:59:10sensibilities um well alaka Waka uh he
01:59:14killed
01:59:16himself and he killed himself in fact it
01:59:20was written about in this article
01:59:22here this article even fingers elene the
01:59:25sister who works for weird ghosts
01:59:28describing his death with the oddly
01:59:29passive phrase passing away as if her
01:59:32brother was suffering from a
01:59:33degenerative
01:59:34disease um he killed himself
01:59:39specifically because can I find it here
01:59:42there's Zoe so you know she's coming up
01:59:44oh no the blish I can't find it in the
01:59:46article I'll just tell you the story uh
01:59:48Zoe Quinn in in was it 2018 or something
01:59:52Zoe Quinn comes out and says I think it
01:59:54was 2019 actually she comes out and says
01:59:57yeah so you know that game that's that
01:59:59that's currently really popular Night in
02:00:00the Woods well the guy who made that
02:00:03game alak kalaka uh raped me in 2012
02:00:07that's right she makes the claim she has
02:00:09absolutely no proof not even like sock
02:00:12puppet Twitter accounts she has nothing
02:00:14zero proof okay that anything ever
02:00:16happened this guy loses his job he loses
02:00:19all of his professional connections it
02:00:21even seems like in a in in a in a tiny
02:00:24way his own sister distances herself
02:00:26from him and he kills himself
02:00:30wow
02:00:31um and to bring it all the way back to
02:00:34the start of gamergate this story came
02:00:37out when gamergate was initially kicking
02:00:39off this is another indie game developer
02:00:41named wolf wnc who says Zoe Quinn
02:00:46sexually harassed me at a friend's
02:00:47wedding in March I didn't think think
02:00:49anything of it at the time and
02:00:51immediately you got Phil fish saying
02:00:55you're no friend of mine you crashed
02:00:57that wedding nobody invited you nobody
02:00:58wanted you there you little [Â __Â ] it's
02:01:00like what does I have to do with him
02:01:01being sexually harassed at the at the
02:01:02wedding right so what you can actually
02:01:05if you to if you were to really dig down
02:01:07to the the absolute Rock Bottom Of
02:01:09gamergate You Will discover that Zoe
02:01:12Quinn actually has a whole bunch of
02:01:15sexual harassment claims against her
02:01:18that she was the
02:01:20harasser and that um the progressive
02:01:24wagons have continually circled around
02:01:26this woman to protect her because
02:01:28they're all her friends and probably
02:01:30because she all because she puts out
02:01:31with all of them but dick yep that
02:01:35that's the reason why so it's it's one
02:01:37of those it's one of those instances
02:01:39where like like this happened to Wolf
02:01:41wnc and his reputation was destroyed
02:01:43like he he lost his he was he was he was
02:01:45a guy making a game he lost his career
02:01:47this guy's done now I'm pretty sure I'm
02:01:48pretty sure he's gone right um in the
02:01:50alak Kaaka situation like this guy
02:01:52killed himself over these allegations
02:01:54because Zoe had so much power in the
02:01:57scene that she could make or break
02:02:00careers like she I don't want to call
02:02:04her a we got we gotta do this we gotta
02:02:07do this okay okay we we gotta get
02:02:09everybody on we gotta do a big 10 years
02:02:12later thing whether Zoe Quinn will come
02:02:14on I'll pay her to come on I don't care
02:02:16oh my God to whoever bring on who
02:02:19I want to get them on I want to make
02:02:21this happen I want there to be
02:02:24like this is that's this is if if listen
02:02:27I take everything for what for what you
02:02:30guys are saying like I I'm pretty gble
02:02:32when it comes to you know I I take
02:02:33people at their word when it comes to
02:02:35these things and I'm sure there's her
02:02:36perspective and there's your perspective
02:02:39and then there's the dead guy's
02:02:40perspective um in this whole thing is
02:02:43just so like you cannot write and I mean
02:02:47this literally because I watched Law and
02:02:48Order s you you cannot write this better
02:02:51in like this is such a ridiculous twist
02:02:54and turns and learning about this is
02:02:58just absolutely mindblowing and it's
02:03:01this wow that's that's that's really
02:03:04like that's all I can say holy [Â __Â ] like
02:03:07wow and now it's happening again like
02:03:10yep
02:03:12yep kutus if and when they come after
02:03:16you for being a raging white supremist
02:03:20and wanting to take down and wanting to
02:03:23take down sweet baby Inc in all their
02:03:26diversity will you come back and make
02:03:30public statements about how you and your
02:03:33133,00
02:03:35followers about about
02:03:38that
02:03:42almost brus and let us know how you're
02:03:44feeling about the attacks that are going
02:03:45to
02:03:46happen oh yeah I mean like uh I mean
02:03:48like I told you I mean they they can I
02:03:50mean I actually I I'm willing then to do
02:03:54it you know like I told you I just want
02:03:56to react to those um uh the outlets well
02:04:01and what they're going to say about me I
02:04:03mean let let them come after me I mean
02:04:05what what can they do to me me really
02:04:07what what can they do really well I'll
02:04:10tell you what they can do even even if I
02:04:12was uh living in Canada what could they
02:04:15do well you know you know what you know
02:04:17what they're going to do they're they
02:04:18going to find you in a bathroom and
02:04:20they're going to beat you up they're
02:04:22going to level
02:04:24up that's what they're going to do they
02:04:26do to
02:04:28you they leveled up it's such a bad line
02:04:32too they're they're gonna level up
02:04:35against me you know up you're the big
02:04:39boss
02:04:40so so so just right the end that's
02:04:43probably the most disturbing part of
02:04:45this of this story is that alak Haka
02:04:48kills himself self indirectly because of
02:04:50Zoe Quinn she she has a she's not
02:04:52legally culpable but she has a part to
02:04:53play here for sure morally um and then
02:04:57this guy's this guy's sister works with
02:05:01the same click the same group of people
02:05:03doing the same stuff like it it almost
02:05:06seems heartless you know what I
02:05:08mean like you'd think that that you
02:05:10would re-evaluate your relationships
02:05:12with some of these people if your
02:05:13brother like [Â __Â ] died to this
02:05:16[Â __Â ] so the ideology is more important
02:05:18than anything to these people that's
02:05:21thing even your own siblings even your
02:05:23own family everything it's it's all
02:05:24about pushing the agenda yeah so that
02:05:29that is that is as deep as the rabbit
02:05:31hole goes uh for me without getting even
02:05:33more autistic there's another level of
02:05:35autism there's always another level of
02:05:36autism but that's I'm I'm sorry it took
02:05:38us like two extra hours to get here but
02:05:40it was fun going down the rabbit hole
02:05:41with you guys and what a blast from the
02:05:44past what a what a blast from the past
02:05:46hey kids hey how do you feel Craig now
02:05:49that you have all this lore just
02:05:50contained in your brain are you a
02:05:52happier person are you depressed I'm
02:05:54more exhausted than when the DSP
02:05:56interview happened
02:05:58yeah we sorry about this man no this is
02:06:03this is insane uh I I mean I'm I'm
02:06:07infatuated by this I'm I'm not
02:06:09infatuated I'm just uh the whole thing
02:06:12is just so amazing it it's really
02:06:15fascinating you can't write this you you
02:06:17literally can't write a story like this
02:06:19like yeah it's it's crazy and it's all
02:06:22over like [Â __Â ]
02:06:24[Â __Â ] they should make they should
02:06:26make movies about
02:06:27this you know
02:06:30what maybe we talk to Epic verse and we
02:06:33make a gamer gay
02:06:37movie for a
02:06:41second I do Rec just just let me cast
02:06:44the the guy who's going to be me into
02:06:46the movie I want I want to alone
02:06:50that yeah I mean he's my hero there were
02:06:54there were two attempts over the years
02:06:55to do something one of them was very
02:06:57early on and they wanted to get Scarlet
02:06:59johanneson to be Zoe Quinn and it was
02:07:01like dude oh God yeah the the other one
02:07:05was in 2021 Brianna woo was was going
02:07:08around trying to pitch a gamergate like
02:07:10like mini documentary TV series right
02:07:13and actually this was kind of the
02:07:14beginning of the end for Banna woo on
02:07:16the left because as soon as she said she
02:07:17wanted to do this
02:07:19uh Zoe Quinn backstabbed her for it and
02:07:21it's like you didn't ask me if this was
02:07:23okay so now you're out of the cleck
02:07:25Banna and it's like all right dude at at
02:07:28that point though Banna like she moved
02:07:29into um into real politics she started
02:07:31working with like Democratic campaigns
02:07:33and in her State and like she started
02:07:34moving up the ladder in that area so she
02:07:36didn't care about the online gaming
02:07:37stuff anymore she had like she had like
02:07:39a different career path at that point so
02:07:40she didn't she didn't care about losing
02:07:41the connection but it it's one of those
02:07:43things where uh I don't think that she's
02:07:45on good footing with anyone who's Pro
02:07:47gamergate anymore or sorry anti-
02:07:49gamergate like she she's burned a lot of
02:07:50those bridges over the
02:07:53years wow
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