The Boy In The Iceberg - Analysing Avatar: The Late Airbender #1
Nothing But Static2020-11-03
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💫 Short Summary
The podcast "Analyzing Avatar: The Last Airbender" discusses the hosts' journey, challenges in engaging with animated shows, and the decision to create a new podcast focused on analyzing the show. They explore the characters and world-building in the first episode, highlighting storytelling techniques and character development. The hosts reflect on the show's mythology, character dynamics, and themes of morality and conflict. They praise the series for its bold storytelling choices and effective use of color and music cues. The discussion also touches on the creators' intentions for future content and the show's accessibility for viewers.
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📊 Transcript
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Overview of 'Analyzing Avatar: The Last Airbender' podcast.
01:10Hosts are screenwriting graduates who transitioned from TV podcasting to specific show podcasts like 'Steven University'.
New podcast focuses on analyzing 'Avatar: The Last Airbender', reflecting on previous shows like 'Steven University' that sparked interest in animation.
Hosts discuss other shows they've watched, such as 'Central Park' and 'Harley Quinn'.
Insights shared on web series 'Writing Space' and challenges faced while filming with a small crew.
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The challenge of getting Chris to connect with animated TV shows is discussed.
04:43Past attempts at Avatar, Bojack Horseman, and Rick and Morty have failed to engage Chris.
The Steven University podcast was created with one host as a fan of the show and the other a complete newbie.
The goal of the podcast was to engage Chris and potentially change his perspective on animated series.
Progress has been made as Chris has shown some interest in certain animated shows, indicating a shift in his viewing preferences.
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Importance of 'Avatar' and 'Harley Quinn' as shared viewing experiences.
07:15'Avatar' is highlighted as a significant animated show for children.
Recording episodes in advance is discussed as a strategy to stay ahead in viewing.
Childhood TV restrictions and family dynamics related to TV viewing are shared.
Family members' influence on viewing choices is emphasized through personal anecdotes.
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Launch of a new podcast analyzing Avatar episodes.
10:20The decision to start a podcast focusing on Avatar was made after discussing the show in a previous podcast.
Viewers responded positively, prompting immediate action to begin recording episodes.
The podcast will analyze episodes starting from today, targeting both new and existing fans of the series.
The initial podcast recording sparked excitement and solidified plans for the new project.
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Summary of Avatar: The Last Airbender Episode 1
13:13Sokka and Katara find Aang frozen in an iceberg after a hundred years, while the Fire Nation is causing trouble in his absence.
Aang, a 12-year-old Avatar, must restore balance to the world.
Zuko, a prince on a quest to find the Avatar and redeem his honor, is introduced.
The characters face challenges of war and destiny as the plot unfolds.
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Introduction and dialogue in 'Avatar: The Last Airbender' provide understanding of world and characters.
16:42Different terminology is used for each nation, contributing to a rich and diverse world.
Defined mythology and well-written characters create a sense of security and excitement for viewers.
Effective portrayal of the relationship between the avatar and her brother and sister.
Overall positive impressions of the show's storytelling and world-building.
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Discussion of impactful moment in TV show with friend.
20:34Finished season one in a week and currently watching season two.
Character realizes he lost a hundred years of his life, sparking a discussion.
Friend stops at same point and asks a question, leading to interesting conversation.
Speaker finds character's quick recovery powerful and impactful, highlighting resilience.
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Reflection on a problematic moment in a show that garnered attention from viewers.
22:39Viewer discusses their initial reaction to the scene from around 2006-2007 and how their perception has evolved.
Speculation on the reasons behind a character's reaction in the show and its connection to future episodes.
Emphasis on the importance of addressing plot points and character motivations for viewer understanding and engagement.
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The discussion on finding the Avatar, Aang, who is over 100 years old.
23:45Aang is revealed to be the Avatar, with speculation on his preserved state.
The creators explain Aang's preservation as being surrounded by energy that formed ice around him.
A theory is explored linking Aang's preservation to his magical Avatar powers.
The importance of simplicity in storytelling and the complexity of explanations in science fiction is highlighted.
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Discussion on the flaws of the show 'Korra' despite being a favorite for some viewers.
29:12Comparison to other anime shows to highlight strengths and weaknesses.
Mention of potential length of the series, including multiple seasons and spin-offs.
Creators' plans for future episodes and projects, including feeling burnt out and possibly stopping after the current series.
Analyzing the show's strengths and weaknesses, as well as the creators' intentions for future content.
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Introduction of main characters in first episode of the series.
30:41Aang shown as show off and eager to play, Katara hopeful for better future, Zuko impatient and hot-headed.
Efficient introduction of characters' personalities and motivations without subtext or hints.
Contrasts with other shows like Steven Universe that take longer to fully develop characters.
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The importance of character dynamics and development in storytelling is highlighted in the segment.
33:21Contrasts the pacing and character development in the analyzed show with Steven Universe, praising the former's efficiency.
Bold storytelling choices, such as the dream sequence and action set pieces, are commended in the show.
The episode establishes a sense of danger and mystery, drawing parallels to storytelling in Star Wars.
Childhood perceptions of character affiliations in the franchise are discussed in relation to the show's storytelling.
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The complexity of characters and nations in the show goes beyond simple good vs. evil.
36:55Individuals in the Fire Nation are depicted with varying motivations and morals.
Efforts are made to humanize even the enemy soldiers, contrasting with other shows.
Aang's unintentional endangerment of a village showcases the consequences of power.
The series emphasizes the layers of morality and conflict present in the narrative.
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Effective use of color and music cues in portraying heroes and villains.
40:31Zucco's black and red attire makes him stand out as a villain.
Aang's subtle guilt in response to questions about the Avatar hints at his internal struggles.
Exploration of the relationship between siblings, showing hints of jealousy or annoyance.
Early indications of Aang's internal struggles and clever storytelling techniques for future character development are highlighted.
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Character development through small moments is key in showcasing bravery and responsibility in unique circumstances.
42:55Context plays a significant role in understanding character actions and personalities, such as Sokka's upbringing and Katara's hopefulness through water bending.
The theme of adjusting to the existence of magic and doubt in abilities provides insight into the characters' growth and motivations.
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Importance of understanding the 'why' behind actions in storytelling.
45:35Characters like Iro portrayed with depth in a short amount of screen time.
Clever use of 20-minute runtime in the episode to impress viewers.
Contrasting the unaired pilot with the official episode, noting subtle changes.
Emphasis on intricacies of character development and storytelling in the series.
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Creation and success of hit TV show for Nickelodeon.
48:09Pitching the idea to Nickelodeon led to the successful creation of a pilot and subsequent series without major obstacles.
Midnight Sun Madness phenomenon discussed in the episode.
Episode initially titled 'The Boy with Tattoos' but changed to 'The Boy in the Iceberg'.
The overall process of creating and commissioning the show was smooth and fruitful.
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Appreciation for mythology and love story in the show.
50:55Initial hesitation towards animated series due to lack of trust in payoff.
Importance of building trust in children's shows to explore deeper themes and narratives.
Experience with Steven Universe as an example of meaningful storytelling.
Intrigue with beloved show possibly stemming from newfound trust in creators' ability.
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Reflecting on the nostalgia of watching the children's cartoon series 'Avatar' and the memories associated with it.
54:59The creators of 'Avatar' are credited for their work in creating the beloved series.
Conversations had while watching 'Avatar' in the past are remembered and reflected upon.
As time passes, memories of watching 'Avatar' evolve and change.
Considering the idea of rewatching old movies and experiencing a sense of familiarity despite forgetting specific plot details.
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Speaker expresses gratitude, excitement, and reflections on past and upcoming episodes.
56:55Emphasis on engaging with the audience and caring for their support and growth.
Acknowledgment of cringing at past content but commitment to creating meaningful content.
Comparison between different shows and praise for the strong first episode of the current series.
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The show sets its sights on the big picture from the start, unlike others that slowly build up characters.
59:40The first season includes standalone episodes, but the first episode establishes a dramatic thrust for the show.
Comparisons with Steven Universe are made, highlighting different approaches in starting a series.
Accessibility is deemed important for viewers to enjoy the first episode.
The intention is to continue discussing episodes and engage with viewers through comments and subscriptions on various platforms.
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Availability and Spoilers on Patreon
01:04:01The podcast is available on Patreon for as little as one dollar a month, with the option to comment for future episodes, but there may be spoilers.
Changes in Accessibility
The hosts discuss the availability of the show on Netflix and mention potential changes in accessibility.
Closing Remarks and Banter
The hosts thank listeners, provide information on accessing the next episode, sign off with a virtual high five, and engage in casual banter about after-credit scenes.
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Speaker expresses positivity towards future activities on Sundays.
01:05:18Speaker mentions only doing activities on Sundays.
Speaker says goodbye at the end of the segment.
00:00[Music]
00:07[Music]
00:16hello and welcome
00:17to analyzing avatar the late airbender
00:21uh a brand new podcast from us here at
00:22nothing but static uh for those of you
00:24who are new to this channel
00:26or to me and my co-host chris um
00:29we are both screenwriting graduates
00:31who've
00:32gone into little bits and bobs in here
00:33and there in terms of right but mostly
00:35we're podcasters uh these days uh since
00:382012 we've been doing a tv podcast
00:40called nothing but static
00:41and that has since spun off into a
00:43couple of separate podcasts about
00:45specific tv shows
00:46starting with a ship podcast called
00:48fringe observers where we went through
00:49all the fringe
00:50and i think probably what we're mostly
00:52now known for is steven university
00:54which is a podcast where i took chris
00:57through
00:58the uh the the wonderful show steven
01:00universe
01:01um you've probably gathered from the
01:04title
01:06and the imagery we are taking a look
01:10at the absolute classic the nickelodeon
01:12classic avatar the last airbender
01:14um yeah it's it's it's interesting
01:18for you chris because the steven
01:21university
01:22was my excuse to get you into animation
01:25like
01:26that was the that was sort of the story
01:28wasn't it you'd never really been able
01:29to get into animated show
01:31this one included do you want to talk
01:32about that a little bit
01:35yeah and um yeah it's bizarre i i
01:38don't even know if that's the ultimate
01:40aim did that work i suppose i i've
01:42i've watched all of central park i
01:44thought
01:46i thought i should harley quinn yeah and
01:48i thought i should check out the
01:49um the transformers thing everyone's
01:52banging on about on uh netflix yeah i've
01:55been looking for
01:56whatever yeah um so i suppose maybe it
01:58did work yeah
01:59um yeah it's uh but it is so weird
02:02because
02:02we so i was trying to work this out i
02:05was about the same time as writing space
02:07which is a web series we did we don't
02:08usually plug so much we're plugging
02:10quite effectively now hey look at us
02:12we've grown as podcasts
02:13natural plug-in it's just it's just
02:15we're so good at plugging it happens
02:17without us
02:18without it coming up without us even
02:20mentioning that we're plugging it's so
02:21smooth
02:22and so seamless it was um
02:26writing space was it around then i was
02:28watching i watched
02:30basically i watched the first series and
02:32i it turns out dan
02:34can't remember any of it well that was
02:35gonna be my question
02:37so um yeah it wasn't so much so it
02:39wasn't while ranksmith was coming out it
02:41was writing space
02:43um filming um because if you remember
02:45rightly we had a week of filming we had
02:47seven days
02:48the first four days were with
02:52full crew but we couldn't keep that up
02:55for the full four days
02:57there were five of us in total but i
02:58suppose well it was supposed it was
03:00supposed to be
03:01six or seven wasn't it it was supposed
03:03to be six or seven but we couldn't keep
03:05everyone around for that long and people
03:06had lives to get back to and stuff
03:08so we had what we called full crew for
03:10that web series
03:11for the first four days and the final
03:14day the friday
03:15was just me and you doing the talking
03:17heads and then we had saturday and
03:18sunday
03:19just hanging out having fun and we just
03:22went to see uh bo burnham i don't know
03:24if you remember
03:25um yeah yeah so before we went to see
03:27bull burn on saturday evening
03:30we watched the season one finale of
03:32avatar
03:33so you that's the last time you watched
03:35avatar before this as you watched the
03:36season one finale with me
03:38before we went to see bo burnham on that
03:40saturday so you'd
03:42in the months leading up to that sort of
03:43gone through a couple episodes at a time
03:45and caught yourself up to the end of the
03:46first season so you've seen
03:48about 21 22 episodes of this show um
03:52but that was like when was writing space
03:54like that's that's the real question we
03:56have to ask ourselves here
03:582010 maybe no because we
04:01no we did the podcasting we were doing
04:03the podcast from 2012.
04:05no i'm thinking it's about it it was
04:06about 2000 2014 i think
04:08if i'm if i'm well we'll find out i'll
04:10have it again
04:13look it up it can't be earlier than me
04:152012 because we were doing the podcast
04:17long before we did
04:19uh let's have a look i've got the teaser
04:21here 2014 2014 yeah so we filmed it in
04:252013.
04:26uh we filmed it at the end of 2013 and
04:28it came out uh early
04:30to mid uh 2014. so yeah there you go so
04:332013 was the last time you even watched
04:35an episode of this show
04:36now for those who don't know the premise
04:37of our stephen university podcast was
04:39that
04:40chris has historically had a
04:43has struggled to connect with animated
04:45tv shows he struggled to get into them
04:47um do you think that's a fair way to
04:48phrase it and they've criticized how i
04:50phrased it before you know
04:51admittedly once i did say you had a you
04:53had a cold cold heart and couldn't get
04:55into it for that reason
04:56yeah well you use you're just very
04:58dramatic with it you're like chris has
04:59got an adversion to
05:01animation and i'm like chris has also
05:04got an adversion to
05:06i don't know french silent films like
05:08i've never thought of it like
05:10i don't run from the room yeah you
05:12hadn't thought of it as a problem like
05:13that
05:14exactly yeah you always talk about it
05:18like i need to
05:19sit in a community center and chat about
05:21my feelings
05:22to do with my mom i have chris and i
05:25don't like animated tv
05:27i know i know i just uh it's been uh
05:29it's been three days since i've started
05:30watching some stuff i've tried getting
05:32into
05:32avatar bojack horseman uh i even yeah
05:36i even watched rick and morty dramatic
05:38but but that's the thing is that
05:40that was the pattern though like you did
05:41watch as we established at steven
05:43university you watched
05:44um at the first season of avatar the
05:45last airbender you watched
05:47some of the first season of bojack you
05:49watched i think half a season or a full
05:51season of rick and morty
05:52and then you gave up you or you never
05:54connected to it long enough to
05:56it to pull you in so when we sat down to
05:58do uh steven university the premise was
06:00uh a fan of the show myself with a
06:02complete newbie to the show chris
06:04and see if i could sort of through a
06:05podcast force him to watch it and maybe
06:07getting more on board
06:08since then there are a few animated
06:10shows you have obviously we just listed
06:11that you've sort of taken some interest
06:13in
06:13so i think we are slowly winning so with
06:15that said
06:16we now have usually a pattern to that
06:18though which is used somewhere along the
06:19line and forced me to
06:21but you chose to watch harley quinn all
06:23on your own that was you
06:25actually yeah no i'll give you that yeah
06:26oh yeah boy and
06:28like again because not only not only do
06:31you
06:31over analyze it and make it you know
06:34make out that i don't know
06:35i once i once got an a at school and
06:38mum didn't say she was proud of me so as
06:40such i turn off family guy every time it
06:42comes on
06:43not only is there that but then like
06:46literally
06:47i'm like i started watching harley quinn
06:49and it's like you were proud of yourself
06:51you're like i got if i hadn't have made
06:55you sit down and do a steven universe
06:56podcast
06:58like i think you know the fact that it
07:00was on sky books that's helped dan but
07:02never mind
07:04well you said but you watched it all
07:06that's the thing that's that's a big
07:07step forward
07:08and you're right i shouldn't be proud of
07:10that i haven't seen all of i haven't
07:11seen all of our liquid but
07:12yeah we are watching through it yeah
07:14yeah so um
07:15avatar was the next big step because it
07:17was arguably the biggest show
07:21arguably one of the best and most
07:23important animated shows
07:24for kids in in in history i think it's
07:28it is doesn't exist historically i don't
07:31think
07:32without last airbender it's it's also
07:35been i think in terms of us doing this
07:38um it's it's kind of been a presence
07:41avatar and doing this with avatar
07:45has sort of been in the comments from
07:47the very beginning
07:48of steven university that's right and
07:51there's been something that
07:52we've mentioned other people have
07:54mentioned it was it was so funny because
07:56so for context because we one way
07:59because time is a time is a challenge
08:01for us so one thing we decided to do is
08:03try and get ahead so we're recording
08:05this in advance so
08:07we're we last week recorded um
08:10a stephen university post grad which is
08:13what we're calling
08:14and seeing you today it's the fourth
08:15it's the fourth of august at present
08:17for because for context because god
08:19knows when you guys are hearing this
08:20many months from now
08:21absolutely so we've just put up um
08:24an episode where we re-watched an
08:26episode of steven universe called lars
08:27and the cool kids and by the way
08:28like that's all available on youtube and
08:30as dan said i did grow to love the show
08:33um and and you know phone my mother and
08:36deal with any issues my mom's great by
08:38the way i don't know why i keep going
08:39back to that she's lovely
08:41um but she did you know she did once as
08:43a cut as a child
08:44get hit by an animated kids show so
08:48i thought you're gonna say banned me and
08:51my sister from everwatch i thought you
08:53were gonna say that every time you went
08:54to watch animated shows she'd like
08:56spray you with water like you do like
08:58you know
08:59like a naughty pet or something like it
09:00with a rolled-up newspaper she came and
09:02like batted you on the head
09:03no bad chris put on keenan and kell
09:07yeah if memory if memory serves we i i
09:10remember not being specifically not
09:12being allowed to watch south park but
09:14also not really having any interest
09:16i did watch this did watch the simpsons
09:19anyway
09:19um and we in that episode basically
09:23mentioned avatar and mentioned you know
09:26and dan sort of lamented the fact that
09:28avatar's just become
09:29huge on like netflix and we you know
09:31with the film coming up
09:33maybe we should have we should have done
09:34that podcast and the uh the podcast ends
09:38to clarify i think you mean the new
09:39netflix series not the
09:41not the film sorry the new netflix
09:43series yes
09:45and so dan and i are talking after and
09:48and i'm like
09:49i can just see the next you know
09:52basically i can just see the rest of my
09:54life
09:54you know this this constantly coming up
09:57and dan looking like i've
09:59kicked his childhood puppy or something
10:01talking about avatar and stuff and i'm
10:03like
10:04well maybe you know maybe there's a way
10:05to see if we can make it work and we
10:06start talking logistics and we start
10:08trying to work out whether we can
10:10make doing this work and kind of um you
10:12know record it and
10:13and launch it and stuff and then what
10:16amazes me is so by the end of that
10:18conversation
10:18literally the phone call after that
10:20podcast recording we had decided
10:22literally to record today and start
10:24doing
10:25uh podcast about avatar and it even
10:27started kicking around titles
10:28and then what i just what kind of really
10:31i found fascinating
10:32and sort of really cemented the decision
10:34was when that podcast went up which was
10:36last night
10:37immediately in the comments it's like
10:40you guys should really do the avatar
10:41thing you know and like
10:43loads of people in the comments and on
10:44the discord are like yeah you should
10:46start
10:47like we did watch we'd listen to that
10:49avatar one like you should do it so
10:51um feels very right to feel the time
10:54feels right dan
10:56um and that's a long way of saying that
10:59i watched this
11:00episode and it starts and it's like
11:03earth wind fire what i don't know is it
11:06that order i don't know
11:07and um and i'm like oh yeah he can do
11:10all of them
11:11and that's the titles and then nothing
11:14that's that's all i remembered for the
11:16entirety of the episode
11:18yeah i i just remember i suspect some
11:20parts of it will come back to you as we
11:22go but yeah
11:23so what you're going to say yeah i
11:24remembered him and i remembered the
11:26brother and sister like i remember and
11:28of the fire dude i remembered those
11:30characters um but i can't really
11:33remember
11:34the story the plot the story and what
11:36happens
11:37yeah that's good i mean so for yeah so
11:39for contests this is going to end up
11:40being slightly different to steven
11:42university because of that i think
11:44you're going to be battling now between
11:46am i theorizing or am i
11:48subconsciously remembering when i
11:50speculate on where this is going at
11:52least up to the end of season one and
11:53after that then you've not seen any of
11:55it so we're going to be
11:56back to square one but they did the
11:57premises same to steven universe brand
11:59new
11:59potentially brand new fan in in chris
12:02and we're going to be going through
12:03analyzing episode by episode
12:04starting today uh sorry for the
12:07laborious intro but i feel like
12:09the context of your history with these
12:10animated shows and where we're coming
12:12from with you
12:12is important to this but we are of
12:14course starting episode one the boy
12:16in the iceberg would you like me to
12:18break it down let's give a little
12:20recap for those that remember or do you
12:21want to do that do the recap no
12:23because um until i'm comfortable that i
12:25know the character's names
12:28yeah because otherwise it's going to be
12:29right arrowed and
12:31boy in blue
12:32[Laughter]
12:34guy with guy with the melted face uh
12:36yeah i can i can already see it
12:38okay so very quick recap of this episode
12:40it's got the melted face
12:41oh he's got the scar on his face zuko
12:44the fire guy oh yeah yeah good point
12:48um oh yeah i wouldn't melt his face as a
12:50stretch but i was i might
12:51i was doing an impression of you getting
12:53it wrong so
12:55i've already fired this his name right
12:58fire dude
12:58great so for those who don't recall the
13:02exact nature of the first episode of
13:03avatar last airbender although i'm sure
13:04you are like i do watch it on loop every
13:06couple of
13:07every year or two but for those who
13:09don't know um the first episode starts
13:11of course with
13:12uh soccer and katara um
13:15trekking about out fishing they come
13:17across um this big iceberg she
13:19accidentally splits it
13:21when she's getting all angry at soccer
13:22with her water bending powers
13:24um ang comes out of it he's very
13:26confused but he's also very
13:28joyful he wants to go penguin sledding
13:30like he has
13:31very few cares in the world but they're
13:33referring to a war and he's
13:35he doesn't understand anything about any
13:36war what we discover as the episode
13:38plays out is that basically he's been in
13:40the ice for about a hundred years
13:42and in the time he's been gone the
13:45uh the the fire nation one of the the
13:48four nations that make up this world
13:50has started invading and colonizing um
13:53and has caused a lot of problems now as
13:56the avatar normally it would be his role
14:00to balance the four nations and balance
14:03the world and ensure that sort of thing
14:04didn't happen
14:06but as he was essentially frozen and
14:08stuck in an iceberg for
14:10a hundred years he didn't get to do that
14:13um
14:14they start piecing this together as he
14:15sort of basically
14:17i mean for lack of a bad phrase dicks
14:19about uh because he is a child he's 12
14:21years old um
14:22which is a which is going to be a
14:23running theme of discussion on this i
14:25think
14:25being so young is a big part of of his
14:28character he's arguably too
14:30young to be going through any of this
14:32but yeah the episode sort of
14:34uh sort of leads to them finding an old
14:36fire nation ship from an old invasion
14:38um aang wants to go explore it uh
14:40katara's like it's a bad idea it's booby
14:42trapped
14:42probably and it is and that alerts the
14:45actual
14:45sort of uh functional fire nation ship
14:47that has zuko on it who's uh
14:50out to find the avatar he's he's looking
14:53to find the avatar to restore his honor
14:55but his uncle
14:56is very much like well no one's found
14:57him in 100 years you're probably not
14:59gonna
15:00so they see the uh the the sort of flare
15:02sent off by the booby trap
15:03and they have a good idea where the
15:05avatar is um cue
15:07dramatic to be continued um so there you
15:10go
15:11what do we have in terms of like
15:13information i always wonder about this
15:15because i remember when i first watched
15:16this and this was like
15:17you know before this show had ended so
15:19sometime during its second season i
15:21think someone put me onto it
15:22so this is years ago like i can't
15:24remember the exact date but
15:26somewhere in the mid thousands i
15:29felt i felt mildly confused for the
15:32first two or three episodes
15:33about what was going on but i think
15:35that's intentional because i feel like
15:36aang isn't
15:37supposed to know what's going on yet
15:38like they're both coming at it from such
15:41different perspectives because
15:43of course katara's not gonna go into too
15:45much detail about the war because of
15:46course everyone knows about the war
15:48she's assuming knowledge that aang has
15:50and
15:51ang doesn't know about it so he's
15:52confused every time she's saying it but
15:53he's not really probing because he's a
15:55child and he's interested in penguin
15:56sledding
15:56so the information does come in trickles
15:59for these first couple of episodes
16:01um but as a viewer i remember feeling a
16:04little bit like i trusted i was getting
16:06the information eventually
16:07but i don't think i fully understood the
16:09scope of what was going on when i first
16:10watched this episode um how did you feel
16:12yeah i think
16:13uh it's hard because obviously i don't
16:15know i don't remember anything but
16:18equally i might not be confused
16:19subconsciously because of some memories
16:21that
16:22yes yeah yeah within there um i think
16:25i think shows like steven universe and
16:27over the garden will
16:28have kind of taught that you get the
16:31answers eventually don't worry about
16:33it notion and it is it what i think
16:36helps with it so i didn't feel confused
16:39particularly no
16:40but i think what helps with that is
16:42everything from the introduction
16:45to the dialogue the way that the nations
16:49are talked about or is it tribes or
16:51nations um well
16:52yes it's the earth kingdom the fire
16:54nation the air nomads
16:56and the uh the water tribes so they're
16:59right
16:59they use different terminology for each
17:01one right the way that
17:03it very you absolutely feel like
17:06this is a world that's defined and the
17:09writers know what they're doing
17:11you feel the mythology of the show
17:14present and i think that because
17:18it doesn't feel like they're flying by
17:20the seams of their pants
17:21you kind of you i think you do have that
17:25security
17:26um but whether that's more recognizable
17:29in a modern context i don't know but no
17:31i didn't feel confused
17:33i do i will my big um
17:36my sort of only real moment because i
17:38was actually really excited by the show
17:40i think like i say the fact
17:42that it clearly had this mythology i
17:44think the
17:45uh the brother and sister are written
17:47really well i think
17:48um the avatar who's name
17:53and the and her relationship seems to be
17:56written really well
17:57um so i got a lot of positives which
17:59would talk about in a minute the only
18:01not necessarily negative but the only
18:03moment that i was like
18:05uh-huh is when it's when he realizes
18:09that he's been asleep for a hundred
18:12years yes
18:13and she goes there's probably a bright
18:15side
18:16and he's like well i did meet you i'm
18:18like
18:19i mean this dude i mean everyone he
18:21knows is dead
18:22like he every he's he's been asleep for
18:25a hundred years and
18:26his entire life is gone like
18:30that's a bit of an under a bit of an
18:33underselling a bit of an under reaction
18:35there
18:36now i've thought about this a lot
18:37because so full disclosure
18:40when we decided a week ago that we were
18:42probably gonna do this i mentioned it to
18:43nadia and she said oh
18:45i've never seen it but i know enough
18:47about it
18:48that i've become interested like every
18:50time i see memes about it or whatever
18:52i'm
18:53like she's become intrigued over the
18:55years and she's seen scenes when i've
18:56been watching it like because i think i
18:58watched all this
18:59last year yeah before at least at most
19:0212 months ago i watched
19:03through this entire show so she saw bits
19:05and bobs then and was kind of like you
19:07know peeking around
19:08like what she was doing like you know
19:09taking in moments so
19:11she said maybe i'll watch it with you
19:13and i said there's no way you'll be able
19:14to pace yourself the way we're gonna
19:15have to pace this because we're gonna be
19:16recording you know what once a week or
19:17whatever
19:18i said but if you want to watch it
19:19that's fine i don't mind doing like a
19:21big you know zipping ahead with you
19:24putting it fresh in my memory and then
19:25going episode by episode with chris
19:26because i usually watch an episode
19:27before you review it twice anyway
19:29you know once with the just to enjoy it
19:30once with a critical head-on so that's
19:32fine
19:32in fact if anything that's a great way
19:34to do it and um
19:35so i watched this episode with her last
19:36week we're actually in season two right
19:38now which tells you a lot i think
19:39um in a week we finished season one over
19:42at season two or the third episode um we
19:44just watched um
19:46the the secret title one which will mean
19:47something to found so obviously not to
19:48you chris but we'll come back into that
19:49i'm sure
19:50so um so we watched this a couple about
19:53a week ago and she
19:54stopped at the exact same point and had
19:56the exact same question
19:59which i thought was really interesting
20:01because it never occurred to me
20:03or at least hasn't occurred to me in my
20:04subsequent viewings
20:06and um i don't know if you call this
20:09mild spoilers but i will say
20:11they deal with it they it catches up to
20:14him basically in an upcoming episode
20:16the reality of that so because that's in
20:20the back of my mind
20:23i guess i just forgive it but when i
20:26watched it again before we recorded
20:27today
20:28i took particular note of that moment
20:30and you're right
20:31because at first he falls to the floor
20:34he looks devastated as it hits him
20:37but he recovers extraordinarily fast and
20:40i think
20:41that is i think that's and what's so
20:44powerful
20:44so it feels so powerfully wrong about it
20:47because it is such a big recovery from
20:49such a dramatic response
20:51and because they've had they've had
20:52other sweet moments between the two of
20:54them
20:55yes and then the camera you know i know
20:57it's not literally a camera it's
20:58animated but
21:00the camera then pans away from the ship
21:02anyway
21:03and i don't even know whether we see
21:05them again
21:06full stop do we like doesn't it then end
21:09on fire dude
21:10so i know i kind of like they go back to
21:12the no they don't go back to the village
21:13in the suburbs so it's a bit like
21:17i don't know if you need that it's a to
21:19be continued and it's a dramatic end
21:22i don't know if it's better if it just
21:24if she realizes and she comforts him
21:26maybe holds his hand i don't know
21:27whatever
21:28like and then it pans out you get the
21:31moment between those two
21:33and it's and the the tone has not
21:36shifted
21:37to their need to shift back for the
21:40drama
21:41of of fire dude's last speech so
21:44yeah you're right unless oh wait unless
21:47don't they set off
21:48maybe they set off the yeah they set off
21:50the
21:51flare yeah before or after that though
21:54no it's after if you're right it's after
21:55so then they set off the flight
21:57okay so that's not the last and it's as
21:59they're it's as they're escaping that
22:01zuko is watching them from the
22:02from his ship with the with his uh with
22:04his um
22:06you do need to bring the tone back up
22:08then so that they can escape and he can
22:09see them and stuff
22:10yeah but yeah i think i agree with you
22:12and it's it's it
22:14it's got to have been some sort of issue
22:15here because it's not a coincidence that
22:17completely independently you and nadia
22:19have both called out the same moment for
22:21the exact same problem
22:23um yeah on on re i mean maybe i felt it
22:26the very first time i watched it i can't
22:27recall
22:28um i just looked it would have been
22:29about 2006 2007 that i was watching this
22:31show
22:32so the first time um so
22:35you know it's been a while um but you
22:38know
22:39sort of just under 15 years so it's it's
22:43very possible probable that i had the
22:46same reaction but have since
22:48played it away on the basis of i know
22:51that it it's
22:52it's almost catches up to him so i guess
22:54the explanation i give and i
22:56acknowledge the show doesn't cover this
22:59but i guess my explanation for his
23:01reaction
23:01is he's a kid and i don't think he's and
23:03i also don't think it's
23:05the weight of that is hitting him but i
23:06don't think it's properly hitting him
23:08um and the moment that happens is it is
23:10in a couple episodes time
23:12um and it's it's done really well when
23:15it's actually handled i feel like in the
23:16first episode they just they had plot to
23:18get through
23:19but they didn't want to not address it
23:21but they also i mean i guess you could i
23:23guess maybe the answer is for them to
23:24not properly address it maybe
23:26oh then they absolutely wouldn't have
23:27had much heart to it though i'm a bit
23:29taller
23:29you also you need to rev you need the
23:31revelation that it's you need that
23:33explanation that he's been
23:35asleep for 100 years yeah because
23:37otherwise you'd be quite confused
23:38because
23:38zuko is talking about finding an avatar
23:40that's hundreds you know 100 years old
23:42an old man
23:43you know um when you figure out that
23:45well when you you know ang is the avatar
23:47so it's kind of like you
23:49you're trying to piece it together
23:51that's another piece of information he
23:52gets over pretty quickly yeah it's
23:54pretty sprightly for an old dude
23:57yeah i don't well he doesn't actually
23:59know he's young
24:00yet he finds that out next day right
24:04okay he can only see the figure and he
24:06does seem pretty sprite he's gone that's
24:08like he's acknowledging that something's
24:10off there but he's not quite
24:11realized he's young because the idea of
24:13somebody surviving
24:16in a preserved young state for that many
24:18years is so improbable
24:19so unlikely that well captain america
24:22did it
24:22captain roy did do it it's interesting
24:24actually because they said because so
24:26the the creators of the show have always
24:27been a bit funny about that that whole
24:29frozen nice thing and they've always
24:31said they don't like to think of it as
24:32him being
24:34frozen in ice they prefer to think that
24:36he
24:37had was like surrounded by an energy
24:39beam and then ice formed around that
24:40so he was held in sort of like um like
24:44some sort of magic
24:45avatar power stasis i think they called
24:47it a
24:48floating in a ball of energy so he
24:50wasn't frozen solid the outside was
24:53frozen
24:54but inside he was he was preserved by
24:56magic instead
24:57and that's actually i've never noticed
24:59it but they actually
25:01they actually kind of make that
25:03observation in this episode
25:05when he first comes out the dream the
25:07dream sequence
25:08uh no the soccer says to him when he
25:10first comes out and why aren't you
25:12frozen
25:14because hang isn't cold when he comes
25:16out he's not covered in ice particles
25:18he's not you know what i mean he's
25:20he's at temperature he's you know he's
25:22not like shivering with icicles coming
25:24off his nose or whatever
25:25and actually i guess yeah i guess maybe
25:27it's
25:28even though i've spent my entire you
25:30know fandom of the show assuming
25:34that he was just frozen and when they
25:36said that he thought he was in a ball of
25:37energy i was just like yeah whatever you
25:38know
25:39like come on he's a big block of ice
25:42like re-watching it
25:43they kind of actually do hint clearly
25:45that maybe it wasn't as
25:46simple as preserved in ice um you know
25:50and more connected to his actual powers
25:52which i think is actually pretty cool
25:54um and makes more sense i'd rather be
25:57attached to
25:58his magical avatar powers than billy
26:01throws yeah i actually
26:03i actually watched a um a deleted scene
26:05i don't know if it was from
26:07i think it was a deleted scene from the
26:09avengers where they try and explain
26:12or theorize on why cap survived and it's
26:15like i'm glad this
26:16it's not needed like don't worry about
26:18it like super serum is enough of an
26:21explanation yeah
26:22because it's really like convoluted yeah
26:25as with this just going uh avatar state
26:28like
26:28this sometimes in science fiction the
26:30simpler you can make an explanation
26:32the the easier it is yeah yeah
26:34absolutely
26:35and and that is despite the
26:39i mean it's a cool visual the boy in the
26:41iceberg but
26:42in spite of that visual i think their
26:44explanation actually does fit better
26:47and it connects with soccer's actual
26:50line of dialogue which is and
26:52you know and why aren't you frozen which
26:54i just
26:56yeah i didn't like i guess in all my
26:58previous
26:59viewings i'd never really clocked what
27:01he was getting at with that line but
27:02clearly yeah that's he would be wouldn't
27:05he he'd be cold in some way
27:08so yeah him and up about to come out
27:09pretty you know tired but
27:11like not like
27:14yeah not not thawing out um
27:18so yeah how do we feel about the the the
27:21characters
27:22i feel like this episode if we're going
27:24to move on to things that are
27:25that work really well about it i i i
27:27think what's so really clever about this
27:29episode watching is because i
27:30look i play out my cards on the table
27:32now i'm not the hugest fan of season one
27:34i think this show's best work comes
27:36towards the end of season one and season
27:39two through three
27:40but there are it's uh just to ask
27:43there's three seasons of this
27:44correct yes because like i just i only
27:47now that we're actually doing this is it
27:49hitting me like
27:50potentially the the length there's three
27:53seasons of this
27:55yeah there's the appalling movie yeah
27:58yep which i think if we're gonna if
27:59we're gonna tackle that at any point we
28:00need to do it drunk
28:02there's there's the spin off the other
28:04side uh legend of course
28:07yes so how many seasons is that four but
28:09they're shorter
28:10and they'll be the new netflix show
28:12correct yes
28:13so minimum eight seasons in a movie
28:17yeah i mean look we when we can do it
28:18all when we sat down to do
28:21um steven universe you know that ended
28:24up being hundreds of episodes
28:25so yeah oh yeah i'm not you know it's
28:27fine we still have to do that in what
28:282017
28:30and uh where are we now like
28:3320 29 it took us a good while to get
28:35through all of that so
28:36i yeah i'm it's gonna take a while if we
28:39decide to but that's the good thing is
28:40we could look if we if we get to the end
28:44of this and we're
28:45we're feeling done that's cool like
28:47that's fine like we've done the show
28:49i definitely know i definitely want to
28:51do the m night shyamalan
28:52and like family movie yeah well that's
28:54one more that's one more episode so
28:56yeah if we're feeling a bit burnt out by
28:57the end of this week we can stop after
28:59this series if we don't want to do it
29:00but anyway let's not talk about stopping
29:01on the first episode yeah it just
29:03suddenly hit me like man we're going to
29:04be here i think
29:05i think we'll do it all but you know i
29:07have a feeling we'll get to all those
29:08workers cora's
29:09core is really interesting because i
29:12like korra a lot but it's
29:14it's got some very um baked in flaws
29:18from dick from minute one but it never
29:20really shakes and while
29:22it's this is the superior show cora
29:25mostly its biggest crime is not being as
29:27good as one of the greatest anime shows
29:29of all time
29:31and that is that is enough apparently in
29:33some people's minds to dismiss it out of
29:35hand but it is incredible they do some
29:36really good drama with cora
29:37but it does have some problems which
29:40we'll come to i guess but it's uh so
29:42it's it's yeah it's less perfect than
29:43this
29:43but what's funny so for some context i
29:46am i'm
29:49i've rewatched season one this last week
29:50as i mentioned with nadia and
29:52i season one is constantly giving you
29:56these glimmers
29:57of how good it could be but getting in
30:00its own way a little bit
30:01um that it's good it's very good but it
30:05becomes great
30:07um so it's really interesting looking
30:09back at like episodes like this which is
30:11the very first one
30:12with that mindset of and i even said
30:14this to nadia like just give it a couple
30:15to get going she was completely on board
30:17it's all i think maybe it's all in my
30:18head i don't know
30:20like she you know my concern that this
30:22first season isn't as good as where it
30:23goes maybe this setup is all really
30:25entertaining
30:26and necessary and i'm just talking out
30:28my ass
30:29but when we started to watch it she was
30:30completely engrossed immediately uh
30:32and it was a lot of when you know an
30:35episode finished what do you want to do
30:36well watch another one of course we will
30:37okay cool
30:38so we just blasted through it quite
30:39quickly um looking back at this first
30:41episode though it does do a lot
30:43in a short space of time and i always
30:46thought of this as being quite a slow
30:47build
30:48up but they set up all the characters
30:50really well
30:51um they show that aang is a bit of a
30:53show off but he's also a kid that really
30:55wants to just sort of
30:56play like you know they really do get to
30:59his his
31:00spirit in this which is like that it's
31:02there and clear from minute one
31:04soccer being cynical but clearly brave
31:06and capable
31:07absolutely there from minute one
31:09katara's hope
31:11for the future and her determination
31:13that better things can be
31:15you know might be out there for for for
31:17their people
31:18they're from minute one zuko's search
31:20for glory for his nation
31:22um is there also zuko's impatience when
31:25he sat with iro and ira is saying you
31:27know
31:28learn the basics learn the basics and
31:29he's like no teach me the mastermind
31:31because he
31:31he thinks aang is a fully realized
31:33avatar that already knows all four
31:34elements
31:35um he doesn't realize the situation um
31:39but he's very impatient he's hot-headed
31:41which obviously fits the fire
31:43you know i think very very well but
31:47it's so it's a 20-minute episode and all
31:49of that is cleared
31:51and like clear sorry and and very very
31:56easy to pick up on like it's not subtext
31:58it's not just a little tiny hints
32:00that it's it's extremely visible
32:04what these people are about so quickly
32:07whereas with steven universe even you
32:10know there were jokes being made in the
32:11first episode that you were questioning
32:13and i was having to say to you yeah
32:14that joke makes more sense when you know
32:15the character
32:18but yes instant you these people are
32:21very defined
32:22very quickly and i and i don't really
32:24know how they've done that because
32:26i'd say it takes steven universe four or
32:28five episodes to really get you to
32:29familiar with the with the with the core
32:32casts
32:33vague you know the archetypes as it were
32:36this show does it in 20. how i do
32:39do you think do you think it's because
32:40and i don't i i'd have to rewatch the
32:42first episode of steven universe
32:44um i do you think it's because
32:48so i'm not saying steven universe
32:49doesn't do this
32:51but i'm saying i think with this what
32:54works is their
32:56characters are coming out in their
32:58interactions
32:59with each other so like you've
33:01referenced
33:02fire dude and older fire dude that sort
33:06of impatience and
33:07yes and stuff comes out with each other
33:10um
33:11the brother and sister it's there
33:13they're squabbling with each other and
33:15trying to show off to her
33:17like it's all that's very
33:21you can get a lot of character across
33:24by choosing to do it that way um
33:27and they are incredibly defined and it's
33:30not that they weren't
33:31with steven universe she takes more
33:33episodes for them
33:34for it to become clear to the audience
33:36yeah i mean and also this is let's not
33:38let's never forget this is two episodes
33:40worth of steven universe
33:42in one episode because it's longer and
33:44it's two episodes that get to just tell
33:46one story
33:47whereas two episodes of steven universe
33:50that take up the same amount of time
33:52have to tell two stories yeah
33:55so it's not two beginning middle and
33:57ends crowned into that 20 minutes
33:59actually so that's a really good point
34:00this has a lot more space to breathe
34:02it does it does feel very much like a
34:05part one like it was almost a real shame
34:08that we weren't do because it feels like
34:10i've only had half the story that's why
34:12it's so hard to know what to say about
34:13it because there's not even like
34:15i think also this helps the characters
34:17there's there's the it cr the crash at
34:19the beginning that reveals the iceberg
34:21and there's when the booby traps on the
34:23ship are revealed
34:24those are kind of the two action pieces
34:27the the two set pieces of this yeah
34:29otherwise it's a lot of character work
34:32oh and i suppose the dream sequence and
34:34that's not an insult by the way i think
34:36that's a real compliment to the show
34:37because it's quite
34:38it's quite a brave first episode it's
34:41very confident
34:43yeah it would feel less brave when
34:45paired i i suppose i assume with the
34:47second episode
34:49but this as a part one is very brave
34:53the the the ending moment
34:56is he's going after the avatar but we
35:00don't know why
35:01we don't know but you still feel that
35:04sense of danger you know yeah i
35:07i think it's one of those things whether
35:09because you know it's kind of the star
35:10wars thing and this is going to sound
35:12like a weird comparison but
35:13when i was a kid and i watched star wars
35:16i wasn't i didn't care about the
35:17politics of star wars
35:20there was the empire they were the bad
35:22guys
35:24they were the rebels they were the good
35:26guys and that was enough
35:28for me to follow without being worried
35:30in the in when i rewatch the new hope
35:32now i'm always surprised by like those
35:34opening scenes
35:35where they're talking about the republic
35:37and senate's and because they do
35:38reference some of that stuff
35:40in the in a new hope right up top you
35:42know oh the last remnants of the old
35:43republic are dead or whatever
35:45and that stuff just one ear out the
35:47other when i was a kid didn't care bad
35:49guys talking about bad guy stuff
35:51and i think what's really interesting
35:52about this is because they establish
35:55fire nation invading force
35:58you know small little village of
36:01essentially uh inuits
36:03uh you know fending for themselves all
36:06the
36:06grown-up men are at war so these poor
36:09kids are having to
36:10stand up for their little town threat of
36:12that
36:13force regardless of his motivation for
36:16wanting ang
36:18coming is is threat regardless of
36:21whether you understand his exact
36:22motivations yet
36:24so it by setting up that very simple
36:26dichotomy
36:27of fire nation bad
36:30you know and then setting up this this
36:33very simple tribe that are just
36:35trying to live their lives and the idea
36:36that he's going to come there you just
36:38you
36:38and and also they then really nail that
36:40home when katara talks about that ship
36:43and why it was stranded there
36:44and how that was a dark day for her
36:46people you know it really does
36:48drive that moment home at the end when
36:49you realize that aang is accidentally
36:51drawing
36:52the fire nation to this small um village
36:55i that was my first thought it wasn't
36:57even
36:59he's coming after him it was oh [ __ ]
37:02like he's he's raining fire on
37:05on this village this innocent village
37:08and you
37:08absolutely feel the weight of that and
37:11you know aang wouldn't have done it
37:12deliberately of course not no but it's
37:14that
37:15it's that other classic that's that
37:17other classic
37:18you know storytelling idea isn't it
37:22you know you bring you bring this these
37:25are these amazing powers but you also
37:27bring with them
37:28this this inherent danger yeah and and
37:31they've used it as a shorthand
37:33to create drama before they've gone into
37:35the real depth of it one thing i will
37:36constantly compliment this show for
37:37going forward
37:38is that actually while they use the
37:41shorthand of bad guys good guys black
37:43and white to get you into the story at
37:44the beginning
37:45what becomes evident and very clear the
37:48further you go into this show is it's
37:49never that simple
37:51never that simple there are people there
37:53are yeah there's an army invading
37:55but that doesn't mean every single
37:57person that lives in the fire nation
37:58wears those red cloaks you know
38:01is evil do you know what i mean you know
38:03it's a country being led by someone who
38:05is
38:06who is using his military force
38:09in an in an evil way but that doesn't
38:11necessarily mean every single person
38:14is evil deserves to die like you know
38:16what i mean but the show makes a
38:18one of the most conceited efforts i've
38:19ever seen in any of these shows how many
38:20stormtroopers
38:22die like and you know like effortlessly
38:26thoughtlessly in star wars
38:27in this show there are episodes when the
38:29the vague troops of the thing they make
38:31a real effort to show aang either
38:34stepping in to make sure they don't die
38:36or like going back to like that
38:38or or they do scenes where they're where
38:40you know we meet people from the
38:41violation that aren't
38:42like they do a lot of work to that in
38:44this show ultimately
38:46but to get us in right now black and
38:48white evil good
38:49and it's it works beautifully
38:53yeah and they don't even like it's you
38:55know
38:56it's done with the music it's done with
39:00i suppose it is done with the the way
39:02she talks about the fire dation as well
39:04but it's not even like
39:06it is that it's those it's those music
39:09cues and the sort of the villain of
39:11stairs like
39:12they do a lot of because playing on a
39:15lot of
39:16iconography and a lot of uh
39:19tropes but not tropes in a negative
39:21sense of
39:22heroes and villains to to to make that
39:25shortcut
39:26yeah and to make that work but it's very
39:28effective and it does
39:29work yeah and it's color as well keep in
39:32mind we've got these these people living
39:33in this bright
39:34snowy town wearing light blues and then
39:37we've got
39:37zucco in black and red in a big iron
39:40ship
39:41with this music behind them you know
39:45like it's
39:46it's they do use a lot of shorthand here
39:48absolutely but it's
39:49it's why i think this functions
39:53even though you're right
39:56plot wise not actually a lot of things
39:59happen
40:00in this particular episode they instead
40:03but again i didn't even mean that as an
40:05insult it was a compliment to their
40:07character
40:07yeah no 100 i'm i'm agreeing with you
40:10yeah for sure it's it's exactly why they
40:11go
40:12get away with exploring the excuse me
40:14explaining the characters
40:15um so thoroughly you know and making
40:18them so clear so
40:19early um i also just speak of a couple
40:23of like more like little
40:24individual moments i really like there's
40:26a moment early on
40:28when katara says to aang oh
40:31so you're an airbender he's like yep
40:32she's like oh so you must
40:35do you know anything about the avatar
40:36and he's like nope um i've never met him
40:39i knew some people who knew him and
40:40there's a guilt
40:42just very subtle but there's guilt you
40:44can see it in his face in his reaction
40:46and you sort of
40:49like you think oh like knowing what's
40:52happened in the hundred years since he
40:53was
40:54around wait till he sees the state of
40:56the world you know what i mean he's been
40:58away for a hundred years
40:59like they were making it very clear
41:01early on that there was gonna be
41:03that you know aang's going to put a lot
41:06of stuff and weight on himself
41:09for what the fire nation were able to do
41:11in his absence
41:13yeah and hinting at that here even
41:16before he truly understands the
41:18the situation is very clever so i wanted
41:21to call out i agree that's very cool
41:24yeah i really like that moment and and i
41:26really liked as well
41:27one thing on my part to call out is just
41:30the
41:30the relationship between the brother and
41:32sister like i'm thinking is it maybe
41:34jealousy
41:35like is he jealous of her powers is he
41:37you know
41:38annoyed he hasn't got them i was i was
41:40getting those sorts of vibes but like
41:41these two people that are
41:44you know most people in the village seem
41:45to be either a lot younger or a lot
41:47older um and so they're kind of stuck
41:50with each other
41:51although they they scoreball like
41:53brother and sister and like i
41:54loved the scene where he's in it
41:58because i loved a lot of facets of it
42:00the scene with him
42:02um trying to like galvanize the youngers
42:06and they just need to pee like i just
42:08thought
42:09like a it's very funny that tag when you
42:12know he needs to go to the bathroom and
42:13then all of them do
42:14it's very funny but also what it says
42:17about the character and the
42:19world that that character's grown up in
42:21and you know he's trying to you know
42:24again not i just watched it recently um
42:27you know it's it's it it's funny how you
42:30say about his bravery
42:32but he's also you know in that moment
42:34captain america you know what i mean
42:36he's the one going well no we've got to
42:38be
42:38this is the right thing and you know we
42:40could get called upon and you know he's
42:42trying to
42:44um a bravery that perhaps he doesn't
42:46have himself you know when the boat's
42:48crashing and stuff
42:49at the beginning he is trying to instill
42:51in them
42:52and i think that says again it's a very
42:55these are all very um small moments in
42:59the episode
43:00that you you'd be forgiven for not
43:03noticing
43:03just how much character they're
43:06showcasing in those moments
43:08100 degree yeah and like also not just
43:11showcasing what the character is like
43:12but also giving you context for
43:14why which is even rarer like it's one
43:17thing to be shown early on
43:19what a character's personality type is
43:22but it's a completely different thing to
43:24both let us understand to why
43:26how they are like how they are but why
43:29they are
43:30like you know growing up in that
43:32circumstance you understand exactly why
43:34soccer feels like he did
43:35that he does also why soccer feels a
43:37little bit iffy with the with her with
43:40her water bending there's no one else
43:41that can do it in that tribe so they're
43:43him
43:44she's a bit of a freak you know like he
43:46meant like
43:47you know she's she's she is an oddity
43:49they don't live amongst waterbenders
43:51do you know what i mean in that little
43:52in that little tribe in that little
43:53village
43:54so it's it's it's unusual that she can
43:56do it
43:57um you know and i think he's he's
43:59adjusting to the existence of magic as
44:01well and that they they play that out
44:02through
44:03his uh his doubt of aang's ability to
44:06fly
44:07and his doubt of apple's ability to fly
44:10too
44:11so there's a real theme of soccer has
44:12grown up in a very simple world
44:14with a very simple life
44:18life sort of view which is okay war's
44:21happening
44:22i'm responsible i've got to get us ready
44:24the fire nation could
44:25turn back up again at any minute you
44:27know the adult men are out
44:29helping i i've got to step up so he's
44:32had a lot of responsibility putting his
44:34shoulders from a very young age and
44:35actually again it's the why of how he
44:38acts like he acts
44:39and it's so interesting and then of
44:40coursey katara you know
44:42feeling hopeful that makes sense she's
44:44getting a glimpse of a different world
44:46through her water bending you know water
44:47bending represents that to her
44:49so again you're understanding the why
44:51not just the you know not just the how
44:53like it's so it's it's very cleverly
44:55done in a very short space of time
44:57um and even like characters don't get
45:00much screen time like the
45:02iro which is uh which is uh zuko's uncle
45:05seeing him relax dude play yeah ultimate
45:08relaxed playing his you know his little
45:10card game or whatever solitaire whatever
45:12it was
45:12you know while
45:15impatient zuko is on the bow the ship
45:18the avatar could be anywhere
45:20must restore my honor and he's just like
45:21uh-huh like
45:23i guess that means i'm not gonna get to
45:24finish my game today like you know
45:26couldn't give less of a [ __ ] yeah and
45:28it's and it's and
45:29you and again you're understanding his
45:31relaxed attitude like
45:33you know in the context of it it's very
45:35cleverly done they do a lot with 20
45:37minutes i i'm
45:39genuinely rewatching it i'm i'm actually
45:42quite impressed
45:43okay let me rephrase that rewatching it
45:45isolated
45:46is interesting because i've only ever
45:48seen this episode with the second part i
45:50assume there's no way i've ever sat down
45:51yeah just watch this
45:52also as we as we know from doing steven
45:55university you don't
45:57you know we didn't have all of these
45:58thoughts when watching it
46:00like they they come in discussion and
46:02you know talking things through after
46:04so as is uh for new listeners we uh
46:07towards the end we uh
46:08we go to the triv section any uh any
46:12trivia dan
46:14yeah a little i think it
46:17there's not that much trivia for this
46:18episode um i guess because
46:20you know it's one of the first ones
46:21there's not a lot really going there's
46:23not as much in terms of the law to
46:24really explore and there's not that
46:26being in a frozen tundra there's not a
46:28lot of like hidden details
46:30um but a couple of bits so for example
46:33at the start
46:34her uh extended description of
46:37the war um and how they got there
46:41never shows up again every episode does
46:43start with katara
46:45briefly setting up the world but it's a
46:47much shorter version than that
46:49um it's basically a couple sentences
46:53although weirdly apparently in germany
46:54they did also put the
46:56extended one at the front of the second
46:58episode as well
46:59um i don't know why it's weird
47:03um so yeah there's a shorter version of
47:05that in all subsequent episodes
47:06um now although this is the first
47:08official episode of the series there is
47:10an unaired pilot they made beforehand
47:12that never aired on television i don't
47:13even think it's all available i've only
47:14ever seen clips through it myself
47:16a couple minutes long um it's it's
47:19similar but different
47:20um katara is called kaya um
47:24they've already got momo with them who's
47:26a who's a character that comes up
47:27in the next couple episodes you know
47:29it's it's subtle changes nothing
47:31huge um the voice of ang is different
47:34and that's really upsetting
47:35um but it's it's not even really worth
47:37talking about properly on here but so
47:38just give it a little bit of ex
47:40nod now to its existence there is a
47:42prior episode they made
47:43actually as well i tried looking up the
47:45history of the show to sort of give you
47:47some context for how the show ended up
47:48being made initially
47:49but it's actually the most standard dull
47:52story i've ever heard for a tv show
47:55becoming a hit tv show they
47:58spoke to nickelodeon nickelodeon said
48:00they're interested in something with a
48:01bit more mythology they went off
48:03between one of them who was leaning more
48:04towards the art style one of them was
48:05leaning more towards like
48:06coming up with the method they came
48:07together they put all their ideas
48:08together they pitched it
48:09nickelodeon loved it they made a pilot
48:11kids loved that they made the series
48:14like this it is the most straightforward
48:17a to b progression of a tv show existing
48:19i've ever heard
48:20i mean obviously the skill and craft
48:22that went into then making the show a
48:23different story but in terms of it
48:24actually getting commissioned and
48:25existing
48:26they didn't struggle the way that like
48:28we've recently been listening to a
48:30podcast that's uh
48:31about the office and how that got on tv
48:33and then
48:35in the face of almost constant
48:37cancellation
48:38um fought its way through and became one
48:40of the biggest hits on television you
48:42know
48:42that story is in is fascinating to see
48:44how that came to be
48:45um none of that uh none of that struggle
48:49here
48:50so there you go um soccer does make a
48:53small reference to
48:54uh midnight sun madness now midnight sun
48:57is an actual phenomenon that occurs in
48:59the summer months
49:00in places of the uh in sort of north of
49:02the arctic circle
49:03or south of the antarctic circle um
49:06basically where
49:07if you at a certain point of the year
49:10the sun never actually sets
49:12um and it's still up at midnight it just
49:16hangs low in the sky
49:17because the way the earth orbits around
49:18it um and i guess
49:21midnight some madness is people being
49:23driven mad by the idea of there not
49:24being night and day
49:26yeah trying to sleep through daylight
49:27would drive me nuts as well
49:30um yeah i don't think i'd like that much
49:32uh this is one of only two episodes that
49:34actually uses a to be continued card
49:36even other episodes that lead into
49:37others
49:38don't do it um the only other is the
49:40boiling rock part one which is um
49:44which i think is season two episode
49:48i'm gonna feel very stupid if i'm wrong
49:50now
49:52nope for the third series
49:56right in the middle of third series as
49:57well towards the end even oh dear all
49:59right
49:59uh ignore me um so yeah there you go
50:02um the creators of the show like to
50:04think that hang and apple were floating
50:05in a ball of energy instead of being
50:06frozen slide already covered that one
50:08and then the final bit of trivia i've
50:09got for you chris is the initial title
50:11of this episode
50:12was the boy with tattoos um
50:15which isn't great no the boy in the
50:18iceberg's better
50:20way better um so there you go um that's
50:23that's the first episode i mean like
50:27it'd be hard for us to do these
50:28check-ins with how in you
50:30you are but we should we we're doing it
50:32through steven university so
50:34keeping a tab on your general sort of
50:35feeling about the show
50:37exciting enjoying it like not oh yeah no
50:40no no i'm
50:41i know i'm very uh you know me i love a
50:43good mythology and like i say one of the
50:45things i was most impressed with was how
50:47clear the mythology was i also
50:51like a good love story and it's clear
50:53there might be uh
50:55at least a friendship love story brewing
50:57um
50:58between um aang and katara
51:02katara um and so yeah no i'm all in it
51:06is it is one of those you know it's
51:08um i might even i probably won't but i
51:11might even
51:12if i if i if i oh i'll tell you this
51:14right so if uh
51:16if if jess my other half wasn't in
51:19and i wasn't doing anything for the rest
51:21of the evening
51:22i'd probably watch episode two now and
51:24re-watch it before we recorded the next
51:26one
51:27so yeah no that's a that's a testament i
51:30think
51:30yeah it's a it's a really uh well put
51:33together show and i'm i'm
51:34appreciating these early season one
51:36episodes more on this route on you know
51:38as i'm re-watching it recently then i
51:40think i did originally that's for sure
51:42um and in a way they're doing more than
51:43i said
51:45yeah definitely and in a way dan is that
51:48is that down to the incredible writing
51:51and beautiful
51:52animation or is it down to the fact that
51:54you single-handedly
51:56turned me on to animation um by
52:00by making me watch steven universe and
52:02ultimately forgive my mother
52:04you know it's hard to say well that's
52:07the only question i have for you though
52:09is so when you watch this originally the
52:11fact that you fell off
52:13suggests a certain amount of
52:16you either didn't trust that the
52:18mythology was stuff was paying off for
52:20that it was there
52:21and having watched this um i forced you
52:24to watch over and
52:25out of the garden wall we did that's
52:26another podcast we did another short
52:27time episode one called overall in the
52:28garden war
52:29where you sort of where you got to
52:32experience because
52:33i had the same problem keep in mind i
52:34started watching adventure time
52:37and got fed up and turned it off and
52:39went back to it you know a year or two
52:40later and realized that they were
52:41actually building to something in the
52:43end that didn't even that didn't pay off
52:44i don't think but um
52:46that you know that they were building
52:47stuff and i and i and that's what helped
52:48me get into steven universe you know i
52:50feel like if i come across steven
52:51universe before i came across adventure
52:52time i don't know if i'd have stuck
52:54through
52:54um but that kind of trust was built
52:58that these kids shows can can can do
53:01more than the kids shows i grew up
53:03watching do you know what i mean
53:05um so do you think that some of your
53:07intrigue to go forward with this show
53:09other than just knowing that it's
53:10beloved
53:11um is coming from a certain trust that's
53:15now been built
53:15from other shows you've watched yeah i
53:17think i uh yeah i think that would be
53:19fair to say yeah
53:20yeah because because it's got because
53:22that was definitely a factor for me with
53:23steven universe
53:24if i hadn't had that experience of
53:25learning to just enjoy it and trust the
53:27creators to get to explaining the
53:28weirdness of the world
53:29um because i just found the first
53:31episodes of adventure time too arbitrary
53:34too too
53:34weird and skelogical very like yeah it
53:37was like
53:38why is there a stretchy dog i don't
53:40understand what's that hat like i
53:41you know anything like i just it would
53:42seem very
53:45everything just seemed really random and
53:47i just wasn't into that i wanted to
53:49understand
53:49the world and they built that up slowly
53:51over time so
53:53so what we're saying is it's 97
53:56you and 3 rebecca sugar uh no
54:00no no 100
54:03you exactly no i reckon i reckon it's
54:07about
54:09eighty percent you 20 the shows you've
54:12watched previously given you some con
54:13confidence some extra confidence
54:15carrying into it yeah
54:16yeah no that is all joking aside that is
54:18absolutely and i give you
54:20none of the credit for that i give you
54:22all the no i thought no i thought
54:24i forced you to watch the show but the
54:25show had to have been good to win you oh
54:27yeah yeah okay
54:28so the show the show the show gets the
54:30credit
54:31yeah i know you take the offense for the
54:34credits of that going to the incredible
54:35creators
54:36um yeah of course absolutely they've
54:37earned it i uh
54:40oh yeah in all sincere in all
54:42seriousness um
54:44it it will be partly that i think
54:47definitely
54:48um and maybe just i don't know it's hard
54:51to we
54:52it's hard to remember what i was
54:54watching instead
54:56back then do you know what i mean um but
54:57this i think um
54:59well for us to be honest with you chris
55:01avatar is a little bit
55:03past our age group like i was watching
55:07this
55:09so what 2005 it started 2006 i started
55:11watching it
55:13first year of uni
55:17so like you know i could understand you
55:20not catching this show
55:21this this what this didn't air while you
55:23were in the in the target audience no i
55:25mean
55:26no i'm i'm i mean why i didn't keep
55:28watching it
55:30oh right right yeah i mean
55:33we've just done 161 episodes of
55:36of a children's cartoon like i don't
55:38think age
55:40we're more than that actually oh no but
55:42i just i just meant originally like
55:43there's a reason like
55:44that you wouldn't have come across this
55:46like when you were younger oh sorry no i
55:47meant
55:48when we when you forced me to watch it
55:50the first time
55:52i didn't force you to watch it i said
55:55i said it was good and you gave it a go
55:58i do wonder we must have talked about it
56:00on
56:01nothing but static then we must have
56:03done i can't see how i'd have been
56:04watching it and we
56:05wouldn't have discussed that so it'll be
56:06interesting
56:08to listen back to that at some point um
56:11let's not jog your memory of any of the
56:12details though i'm enjoying oh no no i'm
56:15not going to you know i'm not going
56:16i think you'll sort of like i think
56:18you'll sort of put it together as you go
56:19like do you do that thing with a movie
56:21you watched when you were younger and
56:22you watch it again when you're older and
56:23you don't remember where it's going
56:25but you start to but only ever like a
56:27minute or two ahead of the movie
56:30yeah yeah where you go like oh i
56:32remember what the next scene is now i do
56:33and then the next scene happens and you
56:34remember the scene after you sort of
56:36you're like putting the track down like
56:37a little bit ahead of the train does
56:39that make sense
56:40um but it's you're still not 100 seeing
56:42it i've done that countless times so
56:44um i imagine it's going to be a little
56:45bit like that like when we get to
56:47episode two there's going to be
56:48something you're going to oh i vaguely
56:49remember this happened now
56:50or same with episode three so i feel
56:52like yeah i feel like as we go that's
56:53gonna
56:53those bits are gonna come to you um but
56:55yeah i'm i'm thrilled to be doing this
56:57um i'm excited hopefully people are
57:00going to enjoy and
57:01enjoy the journey you know it's grumpy
57:02this time right if anyone's interested
57:04to see this aversion to animation listen
57:07to the first episode of steven
57:08university
57:09chris is so grumpy it's
57:12amazing the first episode of steven
57:16universe is about stephen learning how
57:17to summon his magic weapon
57:18and chris is like you live in america
57:20aren't gun laws loose like chris is so
57:22uninterested in engaging with
57:23any of the show it's so good it's it's
57:27quite yeah
57:31brilliant quite the rant it's yeah it's
57:34interesting to see you go from one to
57:35the other so yeah and it's funny because
57:37i
57:37i i i listened i i listened
57:41back to it um a few months ago
57:44um and it it was funny because i it made
57:48me cringe but not in a
57:50not in a um not in a
57:54i was wrong or anything because i found
57:56it quite funny and i could see where
57:58past me was coming from
58:00and also like i never it's not like i
58:02sat there and went
58:03categorically this is never ever going
58:05to make sense i was making an
58:06observation of
58:07of how it was in that moment the reason
58:09i cringe is because like
58:12we've the uh you know and hopefully
58:15new listeners old listeners you know
58:17hopefully this this applies to people
58:18listening to this
58:19our our audience has been so amazing and
58:22has undoubtedly grown because of steven
58:24university so the reason i cringe
58:26now is because i genuinely like although
58:30you know i could show this by
58:31logging onto the discord more i
58:33genuinely care an awful lot about
58:36our audience and that that small but but
58:38dedicated and brilliant
58:40um community we've sort of that has that
58:43has occurred and i
58:44the reason i cringe is because i'm
58:46[ __ ] on something they love
58:47and like and [ __ ] on something that
58:50ultimately then
58:51i loved and means a lot to uh to you
58:53know
58:54friends both in terms of listeners and
58:57you know
58:57physical friends like yourself and some
58:59other people so i kind of like
59:02i cringe because i'm like oh god like i
59:04don't want to
59:05piss anyone off or like
59:08so yeah but i'm not consciously not
59:10doing that with this
59:12um i genuinely if you and we
59:15we really shouldn't get into a habit of
59:16this they're two very different shows
59:19this has the stronger first episode in
59:21my opinion yeah
59:22well it's it's because it's because it's
59:24it's plot focus from minute one
59:27so like with steven universe
59:30they were more interested in doing
59:32stories of the week at the beginning and
59:34slowly building up the characters in the
59:36world
59:36while that was going on whereas this
59:38show
59:40has an advantage in that it is
59:42immediately
59:44setting its sights on the big picture
59:48and while in its first season it does do
59:50standalone episodes that wander off and
59:52do all the different things
59:54the fact that its first episode
59:56genuinely does feel like
59:57it's setting up a dramatic thrust that
01:00:00will be the show
01:00:02whereas the first episode of steven
01:00:03universe is one of those one-off
01:00:05episodes do you know what i mean like if
01:00:07this episode had started and aang and
01:00:09katara and soccer were already flying
01:00:11about
01:00:11on appa getting into scrapes
01:00:15you'd be yeah you'd probably feel the
01:00:17same way about it and you'd be like i'm
01:00:19on boardish
01:00:20but i i there is an advantage sometimes
01:00:21to doing a proper first episode that
01:00:23sets up the world
01:00:25although i do respect deeply what
01:00:27rebecca sugar did with steven universe
01:00:29which is just the confidence to go nope
01:00:31we're just gonna
01:00:32when we start the situation is already
01:00:34on going you're gonna pick it up as you
01:00:35go and that
01:00:36and bold very bold but you know there is
01:00:39something cleaner about doing this and
01:00:41certainly
01:00:42in terms of does it make the show
01:00:44overall better or worse
01:00:45i don't think it's either i i think it
01:00:47just depends but
01:00:49in terms of its accessibility and your
01:00:52ability to enjoy the first episode and
01:00:53taking the first episode
01:00:55then it helps yeah i think yeah yeah
01:00:58so yeah as an accessibility issue i
01:01:00think that's something that's definitely
01:01:01considered we'll start i think
01:01:02as we go into this we will stop
01:01:03comparing it to steven universe for
01:01:04those of you who don't watch that show
01:01:06uh but it's it's it's relevant now
01:01:08because obviously we're comparing
01:01:09chris's experiences getting into a show
01:01:11and getting into another um
01:01:12i also suspect going forward these will
01:01:13be a little bit shorter i see the first
01:01:14episode with a lot more context to give
01:01:16about where we're coming from
01:01:17so that you guys understand uh where
01:01:19these opinions are
01:01:21what the context of them is basically um
01:01:24so yeah um
01:01:26very excited to keep going and we'll i
01:01:28guess yeah i'm really i'm really pumped
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01:02:31right now it's exciting in it
01:02:35it's very exciting yeah because that's
01:02:36the one of the reasons we're getting
01:02:38that's one of the reasons we're speaking
01:02:39to you from the distant past
01:02:41because we're yeah to get ahead yeah
01:02:44because we're a bit worried about doing
01:02:45this weekly which we will be doing we
01:02:46have actually said that this will be a
01:02:47weekly podcast
01:02:48um tuesdays going forward the uh
01:02:51rule of thumb though is gonna be
01:02:53obviously with these you know
01:02:55um we've gone we're gonna get like 10
01:02:58ahead so
01:02:58we're not gonna be able to directly
01:02:59respond to your feedback in like the
01:03:01next
01:03:02episode but maybe by episode 10 or 11
01:03:04we'll be talking about the feedback to
01:03:05this episode so
01:03:07um yeah feel free to start um you know
01:03:10to comment now we'll
01:03:11we'll be making notes so people are
01:03:12saying and we'll maybe we'll do a little
01:03:14a little side episode we
01:03:15would respond to some feedback or
01:03:16something like that at some point
01:03:18um but yeah just just be aware in um in
01:03:21comments um
01:03:23that you know other other people might
01:03:25be um
01:03:26listening because i know a few people
01:03:28have said oh if you do avatar or i might
01:03:30watch along with you
01:03:31so please be careful if you are
01:03:33commenting on any of the platforms or
01:03:35youtube in particular
01:03:36uh to avoid spoilers oh yeah and if
01:03:38you'd like to watch along avatar uh last
01:03:40episode is available on netflix in most
01:03:42countries is my understanding yeah i
01:03:43mean
01:03:43i mean it is now based on fringe
01:03:45observers it will probably be gone
01:03:46in you know five weeks but hopefully
01:03:49it's
01:03:50that's what happens as we started doing
01:03:51fringe observers like it's on netflix
01:03:53it's easy access everyone has access to
01:03:54that
01:03:55and then what they took it off like
01:03:58like a bump thing ridiculous um but yeah
01:04:01that's everything the next episode will
01:04:02be a little bit shorter we had a lot of
01:04:04of explaining to do in this one but yeah
01:04:06um head over to patreon.com
01:04:08right now if you want to hear the next
01:04:09episode otherwise um thank you very much
01:04:11for listening
01:04:12i've been dan doolin i've been chris
01:04:14billingham and that has been
01:04:16analyzing avatar the late airbender
01:04:27[Music]
01:04:34because he's late because it's it's been
01:04:36out for years he hasn't seen it you get
01:04:38it
01:04:39yeah it's a good title good title
01:04:42virtual high five you ready
01:04:43one two three
01:04:46did you clap i don't know what just
01:04:48happened oh it was a high five
01:04:50oh sorry should we do it again please if
01:04:52that's okay i'd like to be part of the
01:04:53high five
01:04:54and i'm sad i missed out what one two
01:04:57three
01:04:59there we go good work good time good
01:05:00work guys we did it
01:05:04please tell me you're putting this
01:05:05before the music i don't want to commit
01:05:06to another after credits thing because
01:05:08they are flimsy at best or nothing
01:05:11static
01:05:12well we do it occasionally on su so i
01:05:15don't we don't we don't commit to them
01:05:16on su we just do it when we have one
01:05:18good so good we'll do the same bye
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