Tesla Cybertruck 3 Month & 15,000mi Ownership Review
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💫 Short Summary
The video discusses a 3-month, 15,000-mile experience with a Tesla Cybertruck, highlighting challenges, performance, and improvements. Topics include battery limitations, charging efficiency, powertrain tuning, handling, and maintenance. The speaker praises the Cybertruck's unique design, responsiveness, and off-road capabilities. They recommend the dual-motor variant for cost-effectiveness and usability. Issues such as rattles, battery drain, and service delays are also addressed. Overall, the video provides insights into electric vehicle ownership, emphasizing practicality and future considerations.
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📊 Transcript
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Experiences of owning and testing a Tesla Cybertruck over 3 months and 15,000 miles.
01:12Speaker shares insights on initial doubts about Cybertruck's production and the process of obtaining it through a referral program.
Various tests and challenges Cybertruck has undergone, including efficiency, charging, and racing against competitors.
Mention of an opportunity for viewers to win a Tesla Cybertruck in a raffle organized by Chesapeake Climate Action Network Action Fund.
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Review of owning a Cybertruck.
10:49Battery performance, powertrain, and software updates are highlighted.
Issues with rattles, battery capacity, and lack of autopilot features are mentioned.
Enthusiasm for the overall experience and uniqueness of owning a Cybertruck is expressed.
Battery pack configuration, high voltage charging, and impressive discharge capabilities are discussed.
Satisfaction with ownership and appreciation for the opportunity to share experiences with the audience is expressed.
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Limitations of the 123 kilowatt-hour battery pack in the Tesla Cybertruck.
14:10Discussion on the need for a larger battery option due to the limitations of the current battery pack.
Exploration of the possibility of a range extender, highlighting concerns about weight, interface with the main battery pack, and cooling system integration.
Consideration of potential challenges related to charging performance and storage for the range extender.
Comparison to other electric truck models with larger battery capacities.
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Importance of AC charging for electric vehicles and the need for larger onboard chargers.
21:54Benefits of bidirectional capability for power export from vehicles to homes.
Highlighting the Cybertruck's power conversion system and potential for grid-tied systems.
Discussion on the future of bidirectionality and the potential for making money by leveraging electricity costs.
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Overview of Tesla Cybertruck's DC Charging Performance
28:35The truck has a peak charging rate of 330 kW, but typically only reaches 250 kW.
Tesla Cybertruck splits its battery pack in half to match with older charging equipment, allowing for high current output.
Overheating issues can occur when charging at low state of charge, impacting charging performance.
Despite potential improvements in version 4 superchargers, the truck's charging performance under ideal conditions remains limited to around 30% capacity.
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Importance of Charging Rate and Curve for Cybertruck Owners.
34:27Initial challenges of publicly charging the Cybertruck, including the use of multiple adapters.
Lead engineer mentions a charging curve update in the works.
Emphasis on the need for better charging curve performance and compatibility with public chargers.
Experiences shared of high-speed charging at low state of charge and benefits of using public chargers over superchargers in certain scenarios.
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Limitations of DC charging for electric trucks.
40:47The Silverado EV has better range and charging efficiency compared to the Cybertruck.
Cybertruck's charging stops are frequent and time-consuming.
Insights shared on the Cybertruck's powertrain configuration and resale value of trotor configuration.
Importance of efficient charging and powertrain design in electric vehicles emphasized.
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Overview of physical clutch system in vehicles like the Cybertruck.
47:38Benefits and drawbacks of different motor setups, including issues with front-wheel driving and torque vectoring.
Importance of differential lockers for transferring torque in off-road situations, especially for electric vehicles.
Challenges and solutions related to induction motors in vehicles like the Cybertruck.
Performance improvements in the Cybertruck's powertrain.
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Challenges in tuning the powertrain of Tesla Cybertruck.
58:10Speaker praises Tesla's efficiency in thermal management and throttle mapping.
Suggestions for improvements in tuning the tri motor configuration for smoother acceleration.
Importance of tire selection and complexity in engineering adapted tires for specific vehicles is emphasized.
Speaker offers to provide formal suggestions to Tesla for optimizing powertrain performance.
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The importance of tire efficiency and responsiveness for electric vehicles is highlighted in the segment.
01:03:20Shorter tread blocks on the tires improve efficiency and on-road handling but may reduce tire life.
Switching to winter tires is recommended for snowy conditions.
Bead locks are beneficial for off-roading with the Cybertruck.
The tires are praised for their quietness, responsiveness, and rolling resistance, making them suitable for general off-roading purposes.
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Highlights of the Cybertruck Suspension System.
01:07:20The video focuses on the air chambers, ride quality, and roll control of the Cybertruck suspension system.
The stiffness and performance in handling of the Cybertruck are praised, with comparisons to other off-road vehicles.
The presence of a front differential locker is noted for better traction in the Cybertruck.
Suggestions for aftermarket modifications to enhance off-road capabilities of the Cybertruck are mentioned.
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Highlights of the Cybertruck's Steer-By-Wire System
01:16:30The steer-by-wire system of the Cybertruck provides nimble and responsive steering, with minimal learning curve and improved software updates.
The steering wheel is well-designed, offering feedback and easy access to gears.
The system is quick and precise, even in hard driving situations, but dry steering should be avoided to prevent strain on components.
Users may initially struggle with counter steering in Baja mode, but can quickly adjust to it.
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Overview of Tesla Cybertruck Features
01:19:01The speaker emphasizes the need for improvements in towing mode to prevent sway and instability.
Comfort of the vehicle is praised, especially the suspension and seating position for long journeys.
Maintenance tips for the Cybertruck's stainless steel body are shared, including the recommendation of Barkeeper's Friend soft cleanser.
The speaker mentions experimenting with metal coatings for unique finishes, testing DIY metal detail coating and Protecta Clear.
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Challenges of maintaining the Cybertruck's stainless steel exterior.
01:26:25Cleaning products were ineffective in removing fingerprints, water spots, and bug stains.
The speaker settled on a cleaning regimen using Windex and barkeeper's friend.
Initial online hate towards the Cybertruck contrasted with positive reactions in person, especially from children.
The Cybertruck garners attention in public, causing privacy concerns but also generating excitement and curiosity among onlookers.
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Decrease in Attention towards Cybertruck
01:35:30More positive responses in person than online negativity.
Children particularly appreciate the unique design.
Positive feedback on onboard power and features like better HVAC.
Dual motor Cybertruck variant preferred for daily driving experience and cost savings.
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Recommendation for choosing dual motor over tri motor for Tesla vehicles.
01:38:31Quality and warranty issues, including broken windshield wiper, are highlighted as common challenges with Tesla vehicles.
The dual motor is considered more comfortable and practical for most users.
Service appointments and delays in getting recalls fixed are discussed as important considerations for Tesla vehicle owners.
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Issues with Tesla Cybertruck
01:48:49Speaker discusses squeaks, rattles, off-centered steering wheel, and loose lug nuts on the wheels.
Mention of a recall for the accelerator pedal and difficulties with Tesla service appointments.
Despite issues, the truck has held together well overall.
Emphasis on the importance of regularly tightening lug nuts to prevent damage.
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Highlights of Owning a Cybertruck:
01:50:38Snow accumulation on headlights can be an issue.
Cooled seats are a feature of the Cybertruck.
Phantom battery drain is a concern for some owners.
Water resistance is a positive aspect of the Cybertruck.
Potential buyers consider the Foundation series.
Comparison to other electric pickup options like Rivian and F-150 Lightning.
Positive overall impression of the Cybertruck, highlighting strengths and weaknesses.
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Preference for electric trucks and benchmarks in automotive engineering.
01:58:01Praises the R1T and Hummer EV for their performance and design.
Considers keeping or selling his Cybertruck due to potential depreciation costs.
Expresses interest in trucks with bigger batteries, faster charging, and good towing capabilities.
Emphasizes the importance of practicality and usability in a long-term truck.
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00:30storage with micro grid Solutions hello
00:33and welcome to another out of speec
00:34reviews video and welcome back to
00:36another video with my Tesla cybertruck
00:39ow that was hot the this metal does get
00:41quite warm well I've owned it for 3
00:44months and a week now we've put on just
00:46under 15,000 mil 14 and a bit and uh
00:51well I want to tell you all about my
00:52ownership experience what I like what I
00:54don't like what's been working what
00:56needs to go in to get fixed and really
00:58give you a full synop is of an average
01:01person's year worth of driving condensed
01:04into 3 months on this particular one so
01:07it's going to be a long video I'm going
01:08to nerd out on a lot of topics so join
01:10me as we get into what it's been like to
01:12drive the Tesla cybertruck Tri motor the
01:15Cyber Beast version for 3 months and
01:18just about 15,000
01:24miles our friends at Chesapeake climate
01:27Action Network action fund are giving
01:29away a a Tesla cyber truck in their
01:32annual raffle we've worked with them in
01:33years past our viewers have won vehicles
01:36through their raffle I love partnering
01:37with them and the prize is super cool
01:39this year a brand new Tesla cyber truck
01:42it is certainly the most talked about
01:43vehicle of 2023 and 2024 they're still
01:47super rare and you would have an
01:49opportunity to get one of the very first
01:51ones which is super exciting so all you
01:53have to do in order to win a cyber truck
01:55this is one of the first Raffles I've
01:57ever heard of giving away a cyber truck
01:58is head to E EV raffle.org and EV
02:02raffle.org once you're there you can
02:04purchase a ticket tickets are $200 seems
02:06like a pretty good deal if you happen to
02:08win a cyber Tru and there's only 7,000
02:10tickets available which is a lot less
02:12than you typically see in these Online
02:14Auctions also this is not the only prize
02:17uh the first place prize you have the
02:19option to choose a cyber truck or a
02:21rivan r1s or r1t or even a Tesla Model X
02:24plaid if you choose but for the second
02:26place for the first time in a Chesapeake
02:28climate Action Network action fund
02:30giveaway they have a ionic 5 as your
02:34second choice which is also a super cool
02:36car so ccan is working on uh fighting
02:39climate change across our country
02:40they're a fantastic organization to
02:42partner with this is a yearly raffle we
02:44love working with them on and truly the
02:46chances have never been better to win
02:48because they're giving away not just one
02:50but two EVS in this one so again head to
02:52EV raffle.org for your chance to win a
02:56Tesla cyber Tru in this year's raffle so
02:59just to recap my story with the Tesla
03:01cyber truck uh I was lucky enough to go
03:04to the original unveiling of this
03:06particular vehicle over 4 years ago the
03:08one where frons threw the ball at the
03:10glass and it broke and shattered uh it
03:12was pretty interesting I was with my
03:13friend Brian from i1 Tesla for that fast
03:16forward four years there was kind of
03:18Silence in the cybertruck world a lot of
03:20Doubt a lot of people including myself
03:22thinking man there's no way Tesla's ever
03:24going to make this thing like it's just
03:25too crazy too outlandish and well they
03:29did and here it is so my friend Colton
03:32and I went to the original first
03:34delivery Event in Austin Texas at the
03:37factory we got to go on a factory tour
03:39of the entire cyber truck production
03:41line truly fascinating and we got to
03:43witness the first owners uh taking
03:46delivery of their vehicles that was in
03:47November of
03:492023 then fast forward again in January
03:53of 2024 this year my friend Ben who
03:56reached out to me and said hey I have a
03:58cyber Tru dual motor if you want to do
04:00some initial videos and testing and that
04:02was you know we were trying our hardest
04:04to get our hands on one of these things
04:05to make videos for you guys to figure
04:07out is this a good vehicle basically to
04:10demystify the cybertruck we took
04:11everyone on a full tour which did
04:14incredibly well for the channel we did
04:16initial range and efficiency and
04:17charging tests and ultimately learned so
04:20much about the cybertruck only for
04:22having it for about 3 days something
04:24like that and the videos did really well
04:26and I was like okay there's a lot more
04:28cybertruck interest than than I
04:29originally thought another month went by
04:32after our initial videos and I saw a
04:34tweet from Sawyer Meritt who said hey if
04:37you have enough referral points you can
04:39actually skip the line and take delivery
04:41of a cyber truck and thankfully my dad
04:44out of spec Dave uh who's also here on
04:46YouTube and without out of spec had
04:48enough referral points in his account so
04:51I sneakily logged into his account
04:53placed the reservation and called him up
04:55and said hey Dad sorry but I just bought
04:58a cyber truck on your account so we can
05:00take delivery right away and uh you know
05:02I'm paying for it don't worry but that's
05:04essentially how we got this one and what
05:07was really cool about that whole process
05:09was they said you could get not only
05:10just a cyber truck dual motor but also a
05:13cyber Beast Tri motor and at the time
05:16there were really no cyber beasts out
05:18there just a handful of them that had
05:20been spotted and so we were really lucky
05:23to take delivery of one of the very
05:25first Tesla cyber beasts at the
05:27Jacksonville delivery Center it was one
05:29of the first ones in the country I'd say
05:31first 10 or 15 that were delivered this
05:33is VIN number 146 off the line something
05:36like that I don't know if they were
05:37built sequentially or not um but now
05:39you'll see them quite regularly I have a
05:41couple friends that own trotor
05:42cyberbeast and it's not a rare piece but
05:45we were lucky to have it very early on
05:48uh right after delivery all of this has
05:50been documented on this channel we've
05:51done a lot of videos of course we took
05:53this exact truck and drove it raced it
05:57from Jacksonville Florida all the way to
05:59s Diego against some of its competition
06:02the F-150 Lightning the Silverado EV and
06:05the rivan
06:06r1t we did a four truck race across the
06:10country of course within speed limits it
06:12was more of an efficiency and charging
06:14uh combination a charging infrastructure
06:16test as well and that series did really
06:19well for us and it was a great way to
06:20kick off the ownership of the Cyber Tru
06:23and I put just about 3,000 M on this
06:26vehicle maybe even more within my first
06:28week of ownership it was just
06:30no sleep lots of driving tons of data
06:33and it was really interesting and I
06:35updated everyone after the first week
06:37after we got the truck back to Colorado
06:39and that's really the last time I've
06:41done a full update on this truck on the
06:43channel this is maybe two months ago
06:45we've done some other things with it
06:46Towing tests charging tests off-roading
06:50even a track day uh really A lot has
06:52happened in the 15,000 mil since we've
06:54owned it and in this video I want to
06:56tell you about what that experience has
06:58been like I'm going to break it into
07:00chapters and categories for you so I'll
07:02have you know topics just on the battery
07:04and the recharging process some of the
07:06future bir directional capabilities that
07:08I'm excited about we'll have one on the
07:10powertrain even ones on social
07:12acceptance and what I've noticed about
07:14other people interacting with the truck
07:16over my 3 months of ownership so far and
07:19my experience driving cyber truck back
07:21in January when they were really fresh
07:23and really new so it's going to be a
07:25long video I also have a written article
07:27on X I'll leave it link below if you
07:29don't have the I don't know how long
07:30this video will be this enough time to
07:32watch the video you're more than welcome
07:34to read the article and skim through to
07:36your favorite section but that's also
07:38why I'm putting chapters in this video
07:39so let's get into the ownership review
07:42and also just review on certain topics
07:44after living with this vehicle over the
07:46last 3 months and 15,000 mi by the way
07:49for those of you wondering my lifetime
07:51efficiency on the Cyber Tru let's take a
07:54look as to how it's doing climb it off
07:59we'll come here go to trips lifetime
08:0314266 Mi we've used 7 megawatt hours and
08:06we're at just under 500 wat hour per
08:09mile which is fairly impressive
08:10considering a lot of that is high speed
08:12and high performance I'm sure other
08:14cybertruck owners will do better than us
08:16but I also see no major uh decrease in
08:19efficiency with the tri motor over the
08:21dual motor so um you know just over 2 m
08:25per kilowatt hour for something that's
08:27over 18 ft long and quite capable as a
08:31vehicle is pretty impressive I mean
08:34considering all the towing I've done and
08:35Hauling yeah Prett Pretty Pretty good
08:37overall before I get into the main video
08:40I just want to give you a highlevel
08:41overview of a lot of people don't have a
08:43lot of time to watch videos so if you
08:45want my quick quick synopsis on what
08:47it's like to have owned this for 15,000
08:50miles it's been
08:53good not much more than that I mean I
08:55would say it's not been incredible I've
08:57certainly had my fair share of issues
08:58with it creeks and rattles are a real
09:01big theme here especially on the inside
09:04um you know it's we have like four or
09:06five different main rattle points those
09:08will all go in under warranty to get
09:10fixed and I imagine it will get uh
09:12better uh I have issues with the battery
09:15capacity and the range of this truck
09:17especially while Towing except if I just
09:19use it as a truck with nothing attached
09:21to it and just as a daily driver it's
09:24certainly adequate and even more than
09:25adequate for my needs the powertrain is
09:28impressive the Tri motor system is
09:30extremely strong and powerful um
09:33although I have some issues with the
09:34fine tuning for example that the front
09:37primary axle is the one that's pulling
09:39the truck along most of the time in
09:41comparison to the dual motor cyber truck
09:43that's being pushed along most of the
09:44time from the rear axle and that leads
09:46to some weird suspension compliance and
09:49and VH over bumps under light throttle
09:51situations but uh there's cool Baja
09:54modes that now unlock the full
09:56capability of this truck on the street
09:58that I'm really thrilled about and so
10:00it's just seemingly getting better over
10:02time with software updates there are
10:05some major things still missing at the
10:07time of this recording and for again my
10:09first 3 months of ownership I've not had
10:11any autopilot no driver assistance the
10:13only thing I have is adaptive cruise
10:15control which already kind of sucks in
10:17the truck it's very hesitant to follow
10:19too closely it leaves weird and varying
10:22gaps and sometimes just ignores the car
10:24front altogether so I have some major
10:27issues with that but uh if I just need
10:29to run to the store and back to the
10:32office and back to even to Denver and
10:33back on a long trip I can get in this
10:36vehicle the software is amazing my phone
10:38is a key works every time I get in swipe
10:41it into drive or it automatically even
10:43chooses the gear sometimes if I have my
10:45seat belt fastened by the time I'm ready
10:46to move and it's really really great so
10:49I think the summary if you're watching
10:51is there's some really incredible things
10:53about the truck that are clearly The
10:54Benchmark in the category there are some
10:57just normal Tesla things that make it so
11:00easy to live with on a daily basis and
11:02then there are some also Tesla things
11:04that means rattles and some build
11:06quality issues and fit and finish issues
11:08that it needs to go into Tesla to have
11:11serviced and fixed and then there are
11:13just some inherent flaws about the Cyber
11:15Tru that make it kind of annoying in
11:17certain situations for example if I need
11:20to reach in and grab something out of
11:21the bed uh almost impossible with this
11:24sort of trust coming down so again good
11:28bad and ugly everything in between but I
11:32would say if someone asks me do you like
11:34your cybertruck I would say hell yeah
11:36it's so cool it's an interesting quirky
11:39thing and I've been very lucky to be one
11:41of the few at this point to own one and
11:43experience it and honestly probably use
11:45it in more scenarios than any other
11:47cyber truck has been used and I feel
11:50very lucky and privileged to have the
11:52opportunity to buy this and own this
11:54truck it was a unique set of
11:56circumstances with the referral program
11:57that led to this being possible and of
11:59course being able to share our
12:01experiences with our YouTube audience on
12:03a unique vehicle is uh what I live for
12:06it's what I do for work but it's also my
12:07passion so again I'm very thrilled with
12:10the overall experience and I would not
12:12trade it for anything so that's the
12:14quick synopsis on the thing if you don't
12:16want to watch the rest of the video
12:17totally get it no need but if you want
12:19to know the nitty-gritty the stuff that
12:21goes on in my head uh with this truck
12:24well strap in cuz we're about to get
12:26detailed um let's talk battery range
12:30charging efficiency all of that good
12:33stuff so what makes up the battery pack
12:36for those of you who don't know it's 123
12:38KW 4680 cell configuration uh battery
12:42pack it's wired actually about uh 820
12:45volts at full charge about
12:48770 nominal something like that and then
12:52dips into the high sixes when you
12:54completely drain it that's nice I like
12:57that it's a high voltage battery uh you
12:59know uh architecture however no Tesla
13:02charging infrastructure today supports
13:05native high voltage charging which means
13:06when you plug it into a supercharger it
13:08has to split pack I'll talk about that
13:10in a moment and get more into detail uh
13:12but let's just talk about the battery
13:14itself the battery itself is pretty
13:17impressive from a discharge capability
13:19perspective this truck will run the same
13:210 to 60 at 100% state of charge all the
13:24way down to about 30% state of charge
13:27and yeah it slows down a little bit down
13:28there but it's just unlike most electric
13:31vehicles that have voltage sag and just
13:34really die below even 70% this thing
13:37rips all the way down to low state of
13:38charge and that's really a testament to
13:40the 4680 cell that they have huge
13:42discharge power even when drained pretty
13:45low model y 4680 very similar as well uh
13:49for that but there are other limitations
13:50that come along with it uh the energy
13:53usable content of 123 kilowatt hours is
13:56just not enough it is the smallest
13:58battery when compared with all the large
14:00battery options of its competitive
14:03segment and I really wish Tesla would
14:05have done 180 Kow hour battery pack that
14:08would have been reasonable I think for
14:10something like this uh it feels about 50
14:13kwatt hours Short on usable energy
14:15content the thing with a truck is yes
14:17you can do things to make the motors
14:19more efficient the shape more efficient
14:21the tires more efficient however in the
14:24case of the Cyber truck it's just a
14:26giant triangle going down the road it's
14:28quite heavy even though it is the
14:30lightest of its uh segment this is being
14:32a tri motor is almost 7,000 lb it's like
14:34high 68s the dual motor is a little bit
14:37less heavy uh but I'm still getting
14:40almost exactly 2 m per kilowatt hour or
14:43500 wat hour per mile over my lifetime
14:46uh of the vehicle and I'll show you the
14:47statistics in here in a moment uh which
14:50means I'm really getting about 240 M
14:52usable on a full charge now I have done
14:55a 70 mph Highway range test in this
14:58vehicle we've could we ran all the
15:00trucks on the same day at the same time
15:02same conditions from Full to dead this
15:04does have a pretty large buffer below 0%
15:07state of charge that seems to be
15:09repeatedly usable maybe 4 kilowatt hours
15:11below zero and we ran it till it stopped
15:13moving and completely died and the 48
15:15volt system died as well it's pretty
15:17funny um and we did 304 mil at 70 mph
15:22but the thing was conditions were nearly
15:24perfect that day and I typically drive
15:26faster than 70 mph and uh usually I try
15:30to keep the suspension not low all the
15:32time on the highway it defaults to low
15:34but it rides a little bit rougher I
15:35really like the truck in the medium
15:37setting right now it's actually parked
15:39in the high suspension setting for those
15:41of you wondering at the beginning of
15:42this video when I had it squatted I put
15:44it in extract mode and then use service
15:46mode to dump out the rear airbags just
15:48to uh get it for a funny thumbnail I
15:50thought that would be interesting and
15:52drive some comments and I I you know
15:54lived in North Carolina for years and
15:56years and think squatted trucks are
15:57hilarious and not safe but hilarious so
16:00I had to do that so energy content not
16:03enough 50 KW hour short there's a lot of
16:05room in the battery pack for more energy
16:07although it I don't think it's enough
16:09for a double stacker uh perhaps they'll
16:11do that one day I do want to talk about
16:13the possibility of a range extender
16:16because uh for me the range without a
16:19trailer is fine I don't really need more
16:21than that but what I need is toe
16:23capacity and towing range I tow a lot
16:26with my electric trucks and um let me
16:30show you back here actually so Tesla's
16:32promised that they're going to sell a
16:34range extender and I somehow bought into
16:37this enough to pre-order with a
16:39non-refundable deposit a
16:44$116,000 range extender that's going to
16:46sit up there in the front of the bed now
16:49to me this seems like a very unesla
16:52approach by the way love the Tano cover
16:55love the bed space that's all
16:57great the the reason I think it's an
16:59unesla approach is because you're
17:01talking about adding something that's
17:02going to weigh plus or minus 1,000
17:04pounds which is going to eat into your
17:06payload and I have no idea really how
17:08it's going to interface with the battery
17:10pack is it going to be wired in parallel
17:12with the battery pack if that's the case
17:14how is it going to handle split pack
17:16charging on supercharging how are they
17:18going to voltage match when you have a
17:20degraded battery in a cyber Tru for
17:22example this one's lost a few percent of
17:24capacity already maybe about 2% since
17:26new um it no longer full charges to over
17:29300 M of range uh new this truck charged
17:32to 301 Mi now it charges to about
17:35294 296 somewhere around there uh and
17:38that's not a great way to gauge
17:39degradation we'll do a degradation test
17:41after probably one year a proper one and
17:43I'll have a video coming on that but um
17:46this whole battery pack in the bed
17:48situation like I just don't know how
17:49it's going to be wired in and Tesla
17:51hasn't really shared it perhaps it will
17:53be an lfp which will be a different
17:55chemistry which in that case and really
17:57any case there there's likely going to
17:59be a DC to DC in between the two battery
18:02packs otherwise I just have no idea how
18:04they're going to match that additional
18:08let's say 40 or 50 kilowatt hours with
18:10the main battery pack and hold the same
18:13discharge profile it'll be interesting
18:15to see how they do it also from a
18:16cooling perspective will that have its
18:18own selfcontained cooling system or will
18:21it tap into the Cyber tru's cooling
18:22system uh because if you tap into the
18:25Cyber truck cooling system that means
18:26that your existing components need to
18:28work harder to then cool additional uh
18:30you know heat generation sources which
18:32might mean the effectiveness of the
18:33cooling will decrease which the cooling
18:35systems are very Stout in this I've
18:36never had an overheating situation in
18:38this truck and trust me I've tried um
18:41that we can certainly get it there and I
18:42intend to do more hot weather testing
18:44with it but the cooling package on this
18:45has been amazing both from a cabin and
18:48uh drivetrain and battery pack thermal
18:50Loop cooling it's been wonderful but
18:53this whole uh extended range thing and
18:55then what happens when I want to take it
18:56out of the truck it's 1,000 lb I
18:58obviously can't lift that up so am I
18:59going to have to buy an apparatus to
19:01take it out to then store it at my house
19:03cuz I'm fairly certain the Tesla Service
19:05Center isn't going to store the range
19:06extended battery these are all the
19:08questions that I have I go into a little
19:10bit more detail in this article I wrote
19:11which is supplemental piece of content
19:13for this video and really lay out some
19:16of my concerns with this when it happens
19:18if it happens I'll consider getting it
19:20I've already put a $500 deposit like I
19:22mentioned so we'll see what happens
19:24there to me the range extender would be
19:27incredibly useful for towing as long as
19:30it can charge and make the truck charge
19:33even
19:34faster um if it's just a DC todc with
19:38not a great cooling package perhaps it
19:40will be limited in its charging
19:42performance which would be kind of a
19:44shame and uh really limit the usefulness
19:46of that range extender it's also
19:49possible they just never do it we'll see
19:51there's definitely room for them to put
19:53a big 200 Kow battery pack in this truck
19:55and honestly that's what it should have
19:56shipped with for the11 ,000 I spent on
19:59it um costs more than the top speec
20:02Silverado EV and that has a 215 KW
20:06usable battery pack so definitely um
20:09frustrating from a from a you know
20:12capacity standpoint let's talk about
20:14charging up the battery pack charging
20:16something we cover on this channel very
20:19closely and have done so for years and
20:21years and we'll continue to do so for
20:23years and years as that is one of the
20:25most important things about an electric
20:26vehicle uh I want to start on AC
20:29charging so here we have our KNX Port
20:31it's in the wrong place for a pickup
20:33truck first of all you have to back up
20:35to superchargers not that this is an AC
20:37topic but you have to the cables are so
20:39short on those you really got to back
20:40this thing right up and when you're
20:42towing almost no sights have a pull
20:45through location to interface with this
20:47so you have to unhook when you get to a
20:49supercharging station and when you do
20:51find sites with a towing spot um they
20:56just uh they're always taken by a model
20:583
20:59so I don't know I just think a front
21:02charging port or a tow package with a
21:04front charging port would have been an
21:05amazing addition lightning got it right
21:07rivan really got it right by putting it
21:09up there that would have been my
21:10preference okay AC charging 48 amp
21:13onboard charger in this one uh it's
21:15about 11 kilowatt onboard charger is
21:18that enough maybe yes with the small
21:20battery pack as soon as you start
21:22talking about range extender or maybe
21:24even bigger batteries to come in the
21:25future I know I I think 100 kwatt hours
21:29is about the biggest battery you should
21:31have with a 48 amp onboard charger
21:32anything above 100 kwatt hours should
21:34have an 80 amp onboard charger I mean
21:37we're looking at uh Cadillac Optics just
21:39as an example which is way less
21:41expensive than this truck with a way
21:43smaller battery that offers an 8 Amp
21:45charging capability so again for a use
21:48case like this you want to prioritize AC
21:50charging as much as possible at the
21:52house at the farm at the ranch at your
21:54shop wherever uh and because it's so
21:56inefficient especially while Towing I
21:58would have loved a larger capacity
22:00onboard charger for my personal needs
22:03the 11 kilowatt is actually fine I tend
22:06to charge my truck to 50% every day I go
22:08up to about 80 when I need to do a long
22:10drive to Denver and back as an example
22:12and of course I won't ever let the
22:14vehicle limit me I'll push it to 100%
22:16when I'm either towing or doing a real
22:18long-distance Drive where I know I'm not
22:20going to be hitting a lot of areas with
22:23high uh charging infrastructure uh
22:25that's that's been installed so I've
22:28always been a nerd on EV longevity and
22:31um yeah so 50% daily charging is what I
22:33do typically for all of my electric cars
22:36they like to sit between 25 and 50 and I
22:39think actually the cybertruck manual
22:40says anywhere between 15 and 50% is
22:43perfect for longterm storage 30% is what
22:46I recommend what's cool about the
22:48cybertruck though is it's not just an
22:50onboard charger it has a whole power
22:52conversion system a PCS and this allows
22:55for bir directional capability which
22:58actually included with my Foundation
23:00series cyber Beast I get not only the
23:02hardware included with the vehicle I
23:05also get a $4,000 credit towards
23:07installing a bir directional uh charging
23:10capability and this is really exciting
23:12to me now I would have installed this in
23:13my house now or in our office however I
23:16don't think it works at 208 volt rated
23:18locations which is what our office is
23:20and um I actually Tesla wanted to do the
23:23launch with us it was a very interesting
23:25email I got from their press Department
23:27we've worked with them a couple times s
23:29and they're like hey do you want to you
23:30know install all this ahead of the
23:32launch and then you can post your video
23:34about how the bir directional stuff
23:36works when the uh when we unveil the
23:39software of the uh bir directionality I
23:41thought it was really cool that the
23:42company wanted to work with us like
23:44other automakers do to present a product
23:47on the unveil and uh we thought about it
23:50but we actually denied the request and
23:52I've also uh delayed my installation for
23:55the bidirectional hardware because I'm
23:57moving in in about a month and a half
24:00and I didn't want to put all that cost
24:01and stuff into my existing house I'm
24:03like we'll just put it all in the new
24:04house so you'll have a video coming
24:06where I am going to install the Gateway
24:08module and the bir directional
24:10capability and run this truck or run my
24:12house off this truck what's really cool
24:15about the bidirectional capability which
24:17F-150 Lightning rivan r1t they claim
24:20supports and Silverado supports today um
24:24is that this unlike the other trucks
24:26will export AC power I believe Lucid
24:29also does AC out when they enable with
24:31their stuff but this means that to the
24:34homeowner you only need a Gateway that's
24:37about a few hundred or $1,000 or
24:39something rather than a
24:41$7500 maybe minimum cost for an entire
24:45system with an inverter at your house
24:48that GM and Ford require what's cool is
24:51the inverters work is on board I've
24:53already paid for that power conversion
24:55system included in the cost the Cyber
24:59Tru now there's a lot of debate about
25:01the future of bir directionality is it
25:03going to be AC out or DC out Tesla is
25:05taking the stance that they are going to
25:07handle the conversion the voltage
25:08matching and the frequency matching on
25:12vehicle basically an inverter built in
25:14and then send that back to your house to
25:16me I love that idea it makes it so makes
25:19the barrier to entry to install this
25:21equipment in your house so much lower by
25:23doing it this way so I'm really excited
25:25to get that installed right now the bir
25:27directionality only works when your
25:28house is islanded from the grid when you
25:30shut off your grid connection or of
25:32course when you lose power there's an
25:34automatic transfer switch I'm going to
25:36play around with it I I actually kind of
25:37hope to run my house often just shut off
25:40from the grid and run it off the
25:41cybertruck I'd love to live for a month
25:43off grid I don't know if that's possible
25:45this can do about 11 Kow output
25:47backwards so I can still charge another
25:49vehicle off of it I can also use the
25:50nema1 1450 Outlet built into the truck
25:53and there's a Nema 5 couple Nema 520s
25:56around the vehicle as well to charge
25:57other vehicles and then I can just run
25:59this over to the office and DC charge it
26:01I don't know could be fun let me know if
26:02you want to see that video I'm
26:04fascinated with the whole energy side of
26:06you know basically using my battery
26:08packs energy not just for moving my
26:10vehicle but for also powering other
26:12things in my life so um yeah I I'm just
26:15excited to to see the possibilities of
26:18that I hope one day soon that this will
26:20be able to be a grid tied system where I
26:22can charge the truck when electricity is
26:24cheap and discharge the truck back to
26:26the grid a little bit like solar when
26:29electricity is expensive and use it as a
26:31way to make money sure that's going to
26:32add to your cycle count on your battery
26:34and increase degradation but batteries
26:36hold up so well and a low power charge
26:39and discharge cycle like that probably
26:41isn't going to bring up any noticeable
26:43effects of degradation in any reasonable
26:46amount of warranty period for the
26:48vehicle and uh yeah I'm just excited
26:50about that at least with the Cyber Tru
26:52all of those possibilities are
26:55possibilities so is that enough on AC
26:57charging I think we should talk about DC
26:59charging performance uh and DC charging
27:01is really important when you're on the
27:04road going from destination to
27:06destination especially um with this
27:09truck because you don't have that much
27:11energy capacity again the least amount
27:13of energy capacity compared with any
27:16large battery of its competitive set um
27:19you do have to DC charge this more than
27:22other Teslas more than other electric
27:24vehicles especially the Silverado EVS
27:26out there and the the rivan Max packs uh
27:30and this is where things kind of fall
27:32apart for the cybertruck unfortunately I
27:34can live with a lower capacity battery
27:37pack as long as I can recharge that
27:39battery pack extremely quickly uh you
27:42guys may have seen some videos I've done
27:43on our out ofpc motoring Channel and on
27:45this one of for example Porsche tyon in
27:48Germany ripping top speed down the
27:49Autobon burning the energy absolutely
27:52getting no range but just sending it
27:55plugging it into a charger charging for
27:5710 minutes unplug with a huge amount of
27:59state of charge and we're back on the
28:01road that works for my style of driving
28:05unfortunately the Tesla cyber Tru does
28:07not have a very high peak charging rate
28:10compared to the size of its battery pack
28:12and it does not have a great charging
28:14curve compared with it the size of the
28:16battery pack so this has a peak charging
28:20rate of 330 kws that's pretty good until
28:24you learn that you pretty much can't
28:25ever achieve that you pretty pretty much
28:28get 250 KW maximum let me explain I want
28:31to talk about charging the Cyber Tru
28:33first on superchargers and then I will
28:35talk about charging the Cyber Tru on
28:37public DC fast chargers at a
28:40supercharging station what's really nice
28:41about the Cyber Tru is you put the
28:43station in or will automatically choose
28:44it for your route it will precondition
28:46the battery pack that it can
28:48precondition the battery pack very
28:50quickly especially when compared to its
28:51competition it can use the motors to
28:53create waste heat run inefficiently
28:55throw that into the cooling Loop and run
28:57it also use the onboard heat pump as a
29:00boost for heating or cooling uh Beyond
29:03just the chiller it's really amazing how
29:05the thermal Management systems are just
29:07done so well on Tesla they absolutely
29:10understand thermals and thermal
29:11management better than any other
29:13automaker I have driven truly um that is
29:17one of Tesla's core competencies so when
29:20you're on your way to a DC charger
29:21you're preconditioning the battery
29:23everything's getting ready you get to a
29:24supercharger you get out of the truck
29:26and plug in but actually you can't
29:28because charging will fail if you plug
29:30in too quickly you have to give it a one
29:32Mississippi to Mississippi before you
29:34insert the supercharger into the plug on
29:36the vehicle what happens is if you plug
29:39it in too quickly we notice this on our
29:41cross country drive when we were racing
29:42all the trucks the truck won't split
29:44pack and what is split pack why do you
29:47have to split pack the thing is
29:49supercharging equipment version two
29:52version 3 and version 4 dispenser sites
29:55uh which there's no version 4 charger
29:56installed at the time of this recording
29:58we don't know what the specs will be
29:59we've just seen the version 4 dispensers
30:01hooked into version three and A2
30:03cabinets uh those cabinets can only
30:06support up to just under 500 volts and
30:09this truck like I mentioned is between 6
30:11something and 820 so how do you with DC
30:14charging it has to be voltage maxed or
30:16the charger has to be just slightly
30:17above the vehicle how do you get the
30:19superchargers to match with the truck
30:21well what the truck does is actually
30:22something pretty genius it splits the
30:25battery pack in half and so when you
30:27plug into a supercharger a communication
30:29exchange happens between the truck and
30:31the charging equipment charging
30:33equipment says hey I can't get up there
30:34I can't match what you're looking for
30:36the truck will then split pack and it
30:38will go down into exactly half the
30:40voltage it'll essentially take the
30:42battery wired in series in the middle
30:44and wire two sections in parallel to
30:47have the
30:48voltage this is great for interfacing
30:50with older uh you know dated charging
30:53equipment like superchargers are at this
30:55moment of time which is kind of crazy
30:58think about uh and then the truck will
31:00charge with huge amounts of current
31:03absolute massive current requests and
31:06the superchargers can output about 710
31:08712 amps to the truck and let me just
31:12show you this think about come on over
31:14to the charging port here 700 plus amps
31:18running through this little tiny nexx
31:20connection right there it's crazy uh to
31:23think about how much current is running
31:25in through there and that's actually
31:27totally fine there's nothing wrong with
31:28it as long as you drate based off of
31:31temperature it's not like a dangerous
31:32situation and this is not a liquid
31:35cooled Inlet port and the superchargers
31:37are liquid cooled cables but unless it's
31:39an immersion cooled version for that
31:41cools all the way to the pins the v3s
31:44are those little tiny cables they're
31:45pushing 700 amps through those little
31:47tiny cables they're 350 amp nominal you
31:50overheat the inlet Port sometimes and
31:52you overheat the cable and the handle
31:55temperature and that means that yes when
31:57you plugin very low state of charge it
32:00rips a lot of current to get you up to
32:01250 KW you overheat the charging
32:04equipment within minutes and then you
32:06see an early drate of charging
32:09performance so what we've ended up
32:11having to do is wrap the handles with a
32:13wet rag and even wrap the cable
32:15sometimes with wet Rags but I really
32:17don't recommend people doing this and I
32:19don't do it day-to-day unless we're
32:20doing a race or we're doing something
32:22that's really you know time sensitive
32:25like a race to Vegas or a cross country
32:27run because this is cooling the
32:29temperature sensor but it's not really
32:33uh you're not really cooling the the
32:35heat generation source which is the
32:36connection Point uh the interface point
32:39and the pins
32:41so uh my recommendation for people is to
32:44not do this at all do not do uh what we
32:48do which is running the um uh the wet
32:51rag on the
32:53cable now let's assume that you could
32:55plug the truck into a supercharger that
32:57didn't overheat that would just run full
33:00amperage no matter what and version 4
33:02superchargers I've not had the truck on
33:03one yet the dispensers might actually be
33:06able to do that cuz they're 600 amp
33:08nominally nominally rated and uh then
33:11you get into what's the actual charging
33:13performance of the truck under ideal
33:15conditions on a version three or version
33:174 dispenser Supercharger so you'll still
33:19get the same 250 KW Peak ton of current
33:22but it only holds it to just before 30%
33:25state of charge and what's so important
33:27to us on this channel is not only Peak
33:29charging rate but also the curve and the
33:31average charging rate over a session and
33:34most drivers of cyber trucks excluding
33:36me are not getting to charging stations
33:38at 01 2% this truck is pulled into
33:41chargers at 0% probably 50 to 70 times
33:46in my 3 months of ownership because we
33:48did that whole cross country trip just
33:50plugging in low every single time and
33:52all of the other longdistance trips I've
33:54done uh to California and back twice and
33:56some other things
33:58so because it only holds it to 30% your
34:01overall charging average rate especially
34:04as you get for you know 40 50 60 70%
34:06state of charge it's just weak sauce
34:09especially compared to most of the
34:11competition now thankfully Wes moral
34:13who's the cybertruck lead engineer and
34:15has become a friend and just someone
34:17that uh I've been able to communicate
34:18with about the cybertruck H and ask
34:21questions he's always been very
34:22responsive to us seems like a really
34:24great guy uh he mentioned that there
34:27will be a charging curve update coming
34:29by the end of this quarter I believe so
34:32within just a month or two plus or minus
34:35always on Tesla times so take it with a
34:37grain of salt this curve should improve
34:40and that to me is the make or break as
34:42to my use case of the truck I really
34:44hope they give us a mey curve and that
34:47it can hold that 250 Kow to at least 50%
34:50state of charge before derating and the
34:52truck really needs to have much better
34:55charging curve now what about other
34:58chargers when you don't want to plug it
35:00into a supercharger that would be public
35:02charging the Cyber Tru originally when I
35:04first got my truck it was almost
35:06impossible to publicly charge this I
35:08used to have to dismantle the side
35:10fenders here to get the CCS adapter I
35:13can show you that in here to get the CCS
35:15adapter to interface with the charging
35:18port and it's actually covered in
35:22chocolate we just had some spillage so
35:25Alyssa standing back here in the shade
35:26I'll come over and show you the charging
35:29port were you burning up in there Alyssa
35:31the phone was burning up okay did it for
35:34the phone that's right this is the crazy
35:37string of adapters that I've have
35:39created to charge on a public charger
35:41now this does not interface into the
35:44charge port I'll show everyone that
35:45because the fender this crashes into the
35:47fender before this can uh interface with
35:49the charging port the thing is that's a
35:51good thing because this adapter is only
35:53rated for 500 volts maximum and I again
35:55I mentioned the truck goes up to 800 20
35:58volts which is way outside the rated
36:00operating range of this adapter so I'm
36:02actually okay that it doesn't fit in the
36:03truck what Tesla really should have done
36:06was coinciding with the launch of the
36:07Cyber Tru a make sure that it
36:09interoperated with every single public
36:12DC fast charger out there it does now
36:14after the8 software update which has
36:16happened for a few months so it works
36:18perfectly fine but the only way to
36:20really make this work and fit within the
36:22guidelines of the charge Point operator
36:25um requirements are they say you have to
36:27use the factory provided ccs to Tesla
36:30adapter that's what Electrify America
36:32says Evo says so that would be this
36:34adapter right here which is again
36:36outside the operating voltage range but
36:39if you want to stick to the requirements
36:40of the cpos so you don't get kicked off
36:42their networks as someone who's filming
36:43videos all the time this is what I have
36:45to do so I use the factory adapter as
36:48per the agreement uh that I sign or
36:51assume every time I activate a public
36:53charger and then I use this which is
36:55covered in chocolate at the moment and
36:57this is a Breakaway adapter a KNX to KNX
37:00uh Breakaway this is like if someone you
37:02know tries to rob you while you're
37:04supercharging you can unlock the
37:05charging port drive away and this will
37:08snap in the middle nothing you really
37:10want with high current charging I mean
37:12it's just not um it's not a great
37:14solution here but what I've done is I
37:16can use this adapter here and now I have
37:19a longer KNX extension again I don't
37:22recommend doing this this is stupid that
37:23I have to do this in 2024 uh to charge
37:26my truck on a public charger but this is
37:28where we're at and so now I can take a
37:31CCS connection and plug this into the
37:33charging port and it will interface okay
37:35so now I'm using this crazy string of
37:39adapters to plug a public charger into
37:41my
37:42truck and how does it charge when I do
37:45that well most high power public
37:47charging stations just so you can see
37:49here interface is perfectly fine I can
37:51click the latch down below once
37:53everything's connected it will interface
37:54charge and all will be good
37:57I just stand back a little bit because
37:59this is sketchy so again don't do this
38:02but this is also what I do for testing
38:04and I really only do this sparingly when
38:06I need it for
38:08testing um when I plug in the truck at
38:10very low state of charge using this
38:12adapter and I plug it into a modern DC
38:15charger unlike superchargers high
38:17voltage High current capable charger uh
38:20the truck will charge in its series
38:22configuration which means it can request
38:24pretty high current at pretty high
38:26voltage and we get some pretty high
38:28charging speeds because of that from
38:30anywhere between zero and like 12% or
38:32even 0 to 15% I'm over 300 kilowatts
38:35which is amazing so um that's pretty
38:39good and then it'll eventually just
38:40taper down and follow the normal rest of
38:42the charging curve when um you know when
38:45it crosses below 250 KW at 28% or 29%
38:49matching the supercharger experience so
38:51the only reason the only practical
38:53reason to really use this stupid string
38:56of adapters to get faster charging is if
38:58you're going to plug in really down low
39:01because again you only get the benefit
39:03below let's just say 25% state of charge
39:05otherwise the charging power is the same
39:07supercharger to public charger and
39:10really it's a little bit sketchy so most
39:12people should just got a superchargers
39:14to charge their cyber Tru the only place
39:16that this actually makes sense for me is
39:19when there's only a version two
39:21supercharger available in the area so
39:24Green River Utah comes to mind there's
39:27that large Bank of eight or 10 version 2
39:29superchargers and then there's a 350 KW
39:32EV GO station right down the road I'd
39:34rather not sit at 150 or 140 KW maximum
39:38on a version 2 supercharger and instead
39:40go down the road to the EA station and
39:44then the benefit window because there's
39:46no V3 nearby is from Z to like 45 to 50%
39:50before I cross over where I would be in
39:52version 2 territory so to me that would
39:54save me roughly 10 minutes at the most
39:57maybe 15 minutes at the very most on a
39:59charging stop going there uh to the EA
40:02station rather than the version 2
40:04supercharger but again I don't think
40:05many cybertruck owners will do it but at
40:07least now my truck can public charge it
40:10does interface nicely and I do charge at
40:12my office often I have an altel DC fast
40:14charger that I plug this into whenever I
40:16have a video shoot coming up because
40:18again I typically only charge my truck
40:20to 50% every day sometimes I'm like oh
40:22crap something popped up need to charge
40:24it up quickly I'll throw it on the altel
40:25DC charger with my adapter string and
40:28then once I retrofit my charger with a
40:29native KNX connection I won't need to
40:32use any of that stuff so that's DC
40:34charging performance which is pretty
40:37weak sauce especially when you compare
40:38that to larger battery packs charging
40:41faster holding Peak speeds deeper into
40:44the pack and costing more than its
40:47competition this truck is actually less
40:49usable than the competition on uh a
40:52longer trip when you compare to
40:54Silverado EV and we've actually proven
40:56that because I took all all four of the
40:58main electric trucks on sale in our
40:59Market rivan r1t this one uh Silverado
41:03and F-150 Lightning and I put the same
41:06trailer on the back of each of them
41:07Towing about 6,000 maybe 6,500 lb and we
41:11drove from Denver to Grand Junction and
41:13back over the Rocky Mountains twice and
41:17the Silverado EV not only did I have
41:19more range and I can make it all the way
41:20to Grand Junction charge once and make
41:22it back here to Denver this one had to
41:25charge three or four times took his time
41:27and drove it and he's an idiot and
41:28didn't understand charging perfectly but
41:30that's okay but even if you were to
41:32optimize this truck it was a three
41:33charging stop situation and that's three
41:36times you're unhooking you're waiting at
41:38the charger longer because it charges
41:39slowly and it's just kind of a pain in
41:41the butt when you compare it to the
41:43Silverado EV which is clearly the
41:45electric pickup truck Benchmark in the
41:47category and I will reiterate again cost
41:50$20,000 less uh in the top configuration
41:53than my top configuration uh cybertruck
41:56Foundation series now
41:57uh I just a note on pricing I paid
42:00$121,000 for this particular truck uh
42:03the foundation series is ending very
42:05soon which means you'll get a $20,000
42:07discount and um I'll talk more about
42:09what the foundation series got me or not
42:11but I just wanted to be transparent I
42:13was an early buyer which means I spent
42:15more money for Less features because it
42:17doesn't even have autopilot and I don't
42:18have a light bar and um the list goes on
42:21and on so not frustrated because I
42:23needed it for videos I knew what I was
42:24getting into but I still think it's a
42:26slimy thing that Tesla did charge more
42:28money for the worst ones up front oh
42:30well so that's charging uh the summary
42:33is could use another 50 kwatt hours they
42:36will hopefully have a solution to add 50
42:38kilowatt hours at a very high expense um
42:41I hope it's not a high expense they say
42:43$6,000 let's hope they can bring the
42:45price down on that 10 grand seems more
42:47reasonable to me for something like that
42:49and uh I hope the charging curve
42:51improvements come as soon as possible
42:53but overall thermal management all of
42:55those things pretty damn good so nice
42:57work to Tesla on managing what they
42:59already have from a thermal perspective
43:01now you joined me driving the cybertruck
43:03to talk a little bit about the
43:04powertrain and I chose the trotor
43:07configuration because um well when you
43:10have the option why not I mean it's
43:12going to be it was cool we are lucky to
43:14be one of the first cyber beasts and
43:17certainly having uh 630 Kow or so 845
43:21horsepower at your fingertips is nice
43:24and I'll just demonstrate that for you
43:25really quickly you hold on Alyssa you
43:27can just mat the throttle and just
43:30points up at the sky and absolutely
43:33hammers so that's fun I like stupid
43:37hilarious cars and this is stupid and
43:39hilariously quick so yeah why you know
43:42if you have the opportunity go for it
43:44and I actually think in terms of resale
43:46value when I do choose to go to sell
43:48this one day having the trotor
43:50configuration will be a um unique more
43:53unique standout feature and I'll
43:56probably recoup half of my cost that I
43:58spent it was an additional $220,000 to
44:01get the uh cyber Beast I bet they'll
44:03hold a $10,000 premium over the dual
44:05motors for some time to come so for 10
44:08grand overall cost to get you know an
44:11insane level of performance well that's
44:14pretty damn cool and maybe it'll turn
44:16out to be better than that okay let's
44:18talk about how the powertrain is laid
44:20out on the front axle I have a single
44:23permanent magnet electric motor and I'm
44:26not sure if it's silicon carbide or just
44:28silicon I'm going to guess silicon
44:30carbide inverter and it also has a
44:32physical uh differential Locker built
44:35into that it's a 3in1 unit which means
44:37it has the inverter the drive rotor and
44:40stator and the gearbox allinone housing
44:44with a physical uh differential but no
44:47physical Park lock this vehicle does not
44:49have any park locks or parking PS uh
44:51Park is a electronic parking brake only
44:54which is a problem when I'm Towing on a
44:56steep grade I'll get a message that says
44:58hey uh the parking Brake's not strong
45:00enough to hold the vehicle like Park on
45:02flatter ground and I showed that during
45:03my rustic ring Towing test uh that that
45:06is an issue for cyber truck when
45:08compared to other vehicles these people
45:10literally just slowing down so they can
45:12get a picture of cyber truck that's
45:13still happening even months after they
45:16have gone on sale uh you know we're 9
45:18months after start of production they
45:20they're all like looking out the window
45:22holding up traffic to get a video of
45:24this thing we'll talk more about social
45:25acceptance later on in this video on the
45:28rear axle of the cyberbeast there are
45:30two independent uh electric motors that
45:33are induction Motors and to me it makes
45:35sense to always have a single or one
45:39permanent magnet motor as part of a
45:40system and the rest of them being
45:43induction Motors the reason is uh
45:45permanent magnet motors have the magnets
45:47literally on the rotor which is why
45:49they're permanent magnet and they always
45:50create an electric field when they're
45:52spinning which means there's no way to
45:54shut them off uh if you want to free
45:56Spin A permanent magnet motor you need
45:58to control the forces in that motor and
46:00typically apply a little bit of current
46:03uh or you will get back forces back EMF
46:05or Edy currents that happen when you do
46:07nothing with the motor and means that um
46:10you know there's always going to be
46:11essentially some losses to free spinning
46:14a permanent magnet motor and you can be
46:17very efficient about that Tesla Model S
46:18plaid is a tri permanent magnet motor
46:21system uh Lucid for example dual and tri
46:24permanent magnets as well so there are
46:25ways to make it work efficiently while
46:28cruising uh but in general having an
46:31induction motor like the rear of this
46:32unit is means that uh you can just shut
46:35them off and the only losses that you'll
46:37have the drag losses will be basically
46:39gear Trin bearing losses just from
46:42everything being connected there's
46:43another approach the approach that rivan
46:45takes which is to use all permanent
46:47magnet motors but then to clutch
46:49physically clutch disconnect the motors
46:51from the drive Wheels when they're not
46:53needed so under light cruising
46:54applications uh for example rivan will
46:57disconnect their secondary axles uh in
46:59conserve mode or just in automatic uh
47:02recoupling and decoupling depending on
47:04the generation of the truck and it will
47:06use a single or dual permanent magnet
47:09just to keep the vehicle uh cruising
47:11along so that's another way to reduce
47:13gear Trin losses even further because at
47:15least in this system yeah forward
47:17Collision warning is very sensitive in
47:19cybertruck as well it's always been like
47:21that I really don't know why um but with
47:24the rivan the induction motor or the uh
47:27permanent magnet motor or dual permanent
47:28magnet motor setup uses uh expensive
47:31hard to tune and not great for nvh and
47:34drivability automatic clutching which
47:36I'm not a fan of in the case of the
47:39cybertruck the only downside of having a
47:41layout like this is the front permanent
47:45magnet motor means you're always being
47:47pulled along so it's a very front-wheel
47:48drive experience especially under light
47:51acceleration over a manhole cover like
47:53we've just dipped into will result in a
47:55wheel hop a wheel slip and even a wheel
47:58knocking motion when you go from that
48:00low Mew to high Mew surface and it
48:02reconnects and it creates a a shock in
48:04the drive line and it's fairly
48:06unpleasant and fairly annoying
48:08especially when you are in the rain or
48:10if you stop on a dirt path the front
48:12tires will spin pulling away from a
48:14launch and you're like almost like
48:16dealing and this I'm just talking about
48:18leaning into the throttle a little bit
48:20you're just kind of dealing with that
48:23front wheel slip all the time and then
48:26the rear Motors will come in and push
48:28later on a lot of this is down to the
48:30drive line split tuning that I think
48:33Tesla really needs to work on for the
48:35tri motor it is something that you don't
48:37really notice in the dual motor at all
48:39because this is not a problem in the
48:41dual motor so um in the dual motor the
48:44rear axle is your permanent magnet
48:47primary axle and the front is a
48:49secondary induction motor so the dual
48:51motor cybertruck actually is is a more
48:54pleasant experience to drive most of the
48:57time around town just cruising because
49:00you're getting pushed from the back
49:01rather than pulled from the front under
49:03normal light operation now with this
49:07dual induction system in the back there
49:09are other benefits to running induction
49:11motors for example lower cost higher
49:13service life um one downside of running
49:17induction Motors are typically a larger
49:19drive unit itself but this is a truck
49:20with plenty of space so that wasn't a
49:22huge concern you can see a model X right
49:25there next to us uh um sometimes they
49:28would like to drag race I don't know I
49:30was going to show you how quick it was
49:31comparison to model X but they did not
49:33want to
49:34play
49:35um so yeah I mean basically the the
49:38compromise here is uh the the front
49:40pulling around other than that the
49:42trotor is pretty cool because you get
49:44all that power and the rear induction
49:46units really do work with torque
49:48vectoring now which was not the case
49:49when I first took delivery of the truck
49:52when I drive the truck in beast mode
49:54just driving around normally like this I
49:56have it in beast and I typically keep
49:58the suspension higher and backed off uh
50:01when you dig into the throttle the rears
50:04really wake up and push the truck well
50:06when you're driving it quickly on a
50:07Mountain Road which we live just at the
50:09base of the mountains uh and I've had
50:11the truck on Angeles Crest and did a
50:13write up and I'll leave that linked uh
50:15on my Instagram profile about how I
50:17thought the truck drove in the canyons
50:19and it really drove extremely poorly
50:22from a performance standpoint um and a
50:24lot of it was just software it was just
50:26like super locked down it wasn't doing
50:28torque vectoring the ESP systems were
50:29all locked on there we'll talk about
50:31performance a little bit more in a bit
50:33uh but now with the new off-road setting
50:36which I can't go into unless I'm uh
50:38parked I can activate Baja mode and Baja
50:41mode now allows for the suspension to be
50:43in standard ride height which is what
50:45we're in right now and it will also
50:47allow torque vectoring back the ESP off
50:50and it'll allow me to send the slider to
50:52use more of the rear motor so I can tune
50:54out some of that front-wheel driving
50:57make the rear Motors work more of the
50:59time and it changes the whole balance of
51:02the Cyber Tru and then I can get it into
51:04a corner accelerate out lean it on that
51:06rear axle and use that single motor on
51:09the outside of the uh truck to really
51:12push the vehicle
51:13along continuing on powertrain there's a
51:16couple uh limitations of course when you
51:18do individual Motors on a particular
51:21axle with no mechanical connection
51:23between them it means that you cannot
51:25transfer the total axle torque to a
51:28single wheel which you can with a
51:31differential Locker so on the front axle
51:33of this vehicle let's say I'm
51:34off-roading and I put a wheel completely
51:36in the air and I can only transfer
51:38torque to one tire that's on the ground
51:41well with a differential Locker I can
51:43actually take the power that typically
51:45would have been split between those two
51:47wheels and now transfer all of the
51:49torque to the tire that absolutely needs
51:51it and from an off-roading standpoint
51:53this is a really beneficial thing for
51:55electric vehicles because electric
51:57vehicles struggle from something called
51:59stall torque and stall torque is the
52:01effect of get getting an electric motor
52:03from zero to one RPM and imagine you're
52:06pushed up against a curb and you just
52:08need to climb the curb or pushed up
52:10against a rock and you need to climb
52:12that rock um having a single motor do
52:16that is sometimes difficult so a
52:20physical differential Locker to transfer
52:21torque laterally is a very nice uh
52:24benefit that I have with the this system
52:27and then I also have the individual
52:29Motors on the rear which are seriously
52:32nicely sized for a truck of this nature
52:35and I have not run into any stall torque
52:37issues on even the single Motors in the
52:40rear of the cybertruck and they just
52:43seem to really get you from zero to one
52:45which is tough for an induction system
52:46to do it requires a lot of current a lot
52:48of thermal management especially
52:50crawling at low speed and there's still
52:52more off-roading to do I'm going to take
52:54the Cyber Tru and run it in our um you
52:56know Hill Climb challenge we'll talk
52:57more about this in the layout but I have
52:59no issues with the individual stall
53:01torque motor on even a single motor in
53:05the rear of this truck so far and I've
53:07done more off-roading than probably most
53:08cybertruck owners the second thing that
53:11is a problem in the past when you have a
53:14tri motor system or quad motor system
53:16I'm thinking my first generation rivan
53:18r1t quad motor is if you want to drift
53:21the truck or Slide the truck especially
53:23in dirt and do these big skids well what
53:27happens is you're running really on that
53:29outside rear motor to overdrive that
53:33tire load and you know of course not
53:36only do you have all the weight on there
53:37which adds extra Force you need it to
53:39spin to maintain a slide and this
53:42require so much power from that singular
53:44motor and in my rivan the motor
53:47overheats boom like this I can get a
53:49couple slides a couple laps of a track
53:52maybe if I'm lucky and then the
53:53inverters are in the red everything's
53:55overheating and it's just trash no way
53:58around it the Cyber Tru can maintain
54:01huge skids big longitudinal loads excuse
54:05me lateral loads being pushed into that
54:07tire with hard throttle application with
54:10all the weight on the outside Tire with
54:12that single rear induction motor on the
54:14outside overdriving with almost no
54:17thermal limitations whatsoever and one
54:20of the reasons for that is it's an oil
54:22cooled electric machine which is
54:24wonderful and it can also it also has a
54:26oil to water heat exchanger so the
54:28glycol can run and uh you know be run
54:31through a chiller and you can even have
54:33a chilling effect sent to the Drive Unit
54:35to chill the sub ambient if you need to
54:37so I really love Tesla's thermal
54:40management again showing that they're
54:42better than anyone else in the industry
54:44um rivan's catching up others are
54:46catching up with oil cooled Motors and
54:48so I'm looking forward to trying the new
54:49rivan TR and quad motor systems and
54:51benchmarking them against this because
54:54um in my impression driving this hard in
54:57the canyons driving it in Baja mode
54:59drifting the truck putting all that load
55:01into the motors uh putting all that
55:03stall torque load into them as well uh
55:06this is just held up unbelievably well
55:09it's an unbelievably Stout drivetrain uh
55:12from a thermal standpoint so again not
55:14enough good things to say about the
55:16capabilities of the motors my request to
55:18Tesla would be that they tune them
55:20better uh especially for the tri motor
55:22configuration where it's not pulling
55:24itself along all the time for example
55:26I'll even accelerate just slightly over
55:28these railroad tracks and you'll see the
55:30nvh impact so some throttle and then
55:32just boom boom on the front and it'll
55:34you'll even hear the motor spin up a
55:36little bit and then it uses its
55:38fantastic traction control system which
55:40is using a longitudinal wheel slip
55:42control in the inverter rather than as a
55:44separate module so it can happen quickly
55:47and respond very nicely but you can have
55:49an auditory impact cuz that front motor
55:51is quite loud it's almost like they need
55:53the front motor mounted on uh isolation
55:56mounts rather than however it is now
55:58because I get a lot of um resonance
56:00transferred back into the cabin and the
56:03the chassis itself is almost acting as
56:04like a speaker phone or a resonance
56:06chamber for the noise that that front
56:08electric motor is making and um so the
56:11tuning needs to get better on the tri
56:12motor I think the dual motor is totally
56:14fine almost no issues with that uh
56:16another thing on the tuning is the beast
56:18mode which I again keep my truck into
56:20most of the time has a really aggressive
56:23throttle tip in that's hard to modulate
56:25off the line I prefer plaid mode or even
56:28my model 3 Performance that has a much
56:30better pedal map but it's new for Tesla
56:33to have a bottom hinged accelerator
56:35pedal rather than a top hinged and I
56:37think they need to adjust some of the
56:38pedal mapping just to make it a little
56:40bit smoother for especially a new driver
56:42who's not used to such a aggressive uh
56:45throttle tip in in beast mode I think
56:48it's it's almost dangerous at times
56:50you'll just jolt off the line from zero
56:53to one so um yeah the tuning needs to
56:57get better the throttle mapping needs to
56:58get better and uh I think in terms of
57:01that tuning if they can just at zero
57:03miles per hour or maybe between 0 and 15
57:06M hour use those rear Motors back off
57:09the front a little bit and just make it
57:10rear biased or even a 5050 torque split
57:13would be great and that would solve a
57:14lot of the problems here uh from from my
57:17side it's all just down to the tuning
57:19and since there's so many more dual
57:20motor cyber trucks on the road than Tri
57:22Motors and most people honestly who
57:24bought a tri motor are like celebrity
57:26are not super nerds like I am that are
57:28like you know into the fine tuning of
57:29the stuff no one seems to be complaining
57:31about it but I think they still need to
57:33just dial it in a little bit more but
57:35other than that wow the powertrain the
57:38efficiency uh the the day-to-day
57:40response of this system is truly
57:42wonderful and especially when you drive
57:45the truck in Baja mode it's absolutely
57:47cool cuz if I go into this corner and
57:48just mat the throttle just to show you
57:51guys nothing happens it's just all under
57:54steer sit on traction control front
57:56motor is trying to pull itself along but
57:58if I was in Baja mode I could just lean
58:01it on that outside rear tire use that
58:03induction motor balance out the truck
58:06and have a lot of fun so I love the
58:08powertrain can't wait for the tuning to
58:10get dialed in and so thanks for watching
58:12this section of the video Tesla if you
58:14need any help dialing it in happy to um
58:17make more formal suggestions to you on
58:19what I'd like to see my powertrain
58:22do so this is the next category of the
58:25video where I I'd like to talk about
58:27steering braking chassis tire and just
58:31overall the the setup of the vehicle
58:34from a handling perspective I realize
58:36most people probably looking at buying a
58:39cyber Tru are more concerned with
58:41software and YouTube connectivity and
58:44you know can it get you to your nearest
58:45country club the answer is yes we're at
58:47one right now actually but uh for me as
58:51a as a car Enthusiast driving this truck
58:53I'm making this review for uh folks who
58:55care about this kind of stuff and if you
58:57don't there's a chapter to skip to all
58:58the software stuff because I care just
59:00equally about all of that as well but I
59:03understand the audience will be a little
59:04bit more limited in this area but this
59:05is what matters to me uh the first thing
59:08I always look at when evaluating a
59:09vehicle and living with it longterm is
59:12the tire the tire is the most important
59:14part of the entire car to me because
59:16that is your connection point between
59:18the road and everything else and on this
59:21particular one we're running the OE the
59:22original equipment spec Tire which is a
59:24Goodyear Wrangler territory RT they're
59:2735 in uh in overall diameter big tire
59:31but a really interesting one and this
59:33territory RT is actually uh spans all
59:36the way from like a Hummer EV
59:38application to here in the cybertruck
59:40and the original equipment tires can be
59:42so different so you can't just go and
59:44buy an aftermarket offthe shelf
59:46territory RT and expect it to be the
59:48same Tire as this this is a Tesla
59:50adapted tire and the compromise of
59:55building a tire for your vehicle or
59:56engineering at Tire can take years and I
59:58have some friends at goodye shout out to
01:00:01my friend Josh puu we've done a video
01:00:03with him he's awesome one of the
01:00:04smartest people I know in in Tire
01:00:06engineering uh just spending a week at
01:00:08good years Proving Grounds really showed
01:00:10me or opened my eyes as to how little I
01:00:13know about Tire development and how much
01:00:15more I still want to learn uh but I can
01:00:17already tell just from my limited
01:00:19experience intire evaluation uh some of
01:00:22the goals the um you know I would say
01:00:24key criteria test was working with
01:00:26goodye 4 on their 35in allterrain Tire
01:00:30option there will also be a pelli
01:00:32allseason option on the Cyber Tru except
01:00:35that has not gone into production yet at
01:00:36least that I've seen that certainly will
01:00:38help with range uh and and maybe even
01:00:41some on-road handling where this has to
01:00:43give a little bit of compromise uh it's
01:00:45important to note that over my 15,000 mi
01:00:48of usage on these tires they are pretty
01:00:49much worn out uh not completely there's
01:00:51still enough tread but on the sides here
01:00:53I've worn the tread blocks down that is
01:00:55not because the tires don't last as long
01:00:57as they should it's just I am an idiot
01:01:00and drift my 6800 lb cyber Tru with 845
01:01:05horsepower quite regularly since the
01:01:07Baja mode has been released just little
01:01:10skids here and there this truck was also
01:01:12used by Motor Trend to collect all the
01:01:14performance testing out on the skid pad
01:01:17consistent you know maximum G load
01:01:19situations and that just has destroyed
01:01:21the outside of the tires especially on
01:01:23the front because they do most of their
01:01:25testing with ES on uh in you know sort
01:01:27of the beast mode and the truck's very
01:01:29under steery and it's just shaved off
01:01:31the edges of the tires up here where I'm
01:01:33now working on getting the rear tires
01:01:35down because that's more enjoyable than
01:01:36scrubbing front tire so uh don't expect
01:01:39your tire life to last 15,000 mi they'll
01:01:41probably go longer for a normal use case
01:01:43but I just had to mention that these are
01:01:44not looking in their Prime and I have to
01:01:47order another set of OE tires for
01:01:49testing and comparisons so the the key
01:01:51criteria that Tesla and Goodyear were
01:01:53probably looking at when they were
01:01:54developing this tire were a first design
01:01:57no question uh this was a design Focus
01:02:00Tire designed to interface with the
01:02:02wheel cap which I actually have the
01:02:04original wheel caps they didn't come
01:02:05with my truck I've been borrowing them
01:02:06from my friend Ben uh from that was the
01:02:09Cyber truck that I reviewed back in
01:02:11Austin in January those are the ones
01:02:13that I've used for the cross country
01:02:15races for uh photo shoots for other
01:02:17stuff for this particular truck however
01:02:19they do eat into the tire a little bit
01:02:22and so therefore I have uh I have them
01:02:24removed whenever I need the truck for an
01:02:26instrumented test or a competitive event
01:02:29I pull the the wheel covers off just so
01:02:31I don't kill the sidewalls completely
01:02:33and honestly it's left some huge grooves
01:02:35into the front tire so I don't recommend
01:02:37running the factory wheel covers if you
01:02:40um can avoid it I do just for when I
01:02:43need the truck to perform at its maximum
01:02:45and its OE configuration and that's just
01:02:47I think to be fair to the Tesla owners
01:02:49and to the truck and for it to perform
01:02:51at its maximum that's why I borrowed
01:02:52those wheel covers but clearly the tire
01:02:54was designed to fit with those wheel
01:02:56covers in mind and to me it looks
01:02:58awesome I really love the factory Wheel
01:03:02and Tire combination in the allterrain
01:03:05form I think it's gives it this muscular
01:03:08look I think it's really cool beyond
01:03:10that the tire also not only had to look
01:03:12cool with all of this you know sidewall
01:03:14uh tread blocks and stuff this is just
01:03:16all for design it had to be efficient
01:03:18this is an electric vehicle with again
01:03:20small battery so they needed to have a
01:03:22tire that looked alterrain provided some
01:03:25soft offroading uh vehicle attributes
01:03:28but also was efficient and you'll notice
01:03:30that whenever you see a brand new
01:03:31cybertruck the tread blocks and the
01:03:33tread pattern seem really thin they're
01:03:35almost half as thick as you would see on
01:03:37like a Hummer EV Tire or a F-150 Raptor
01:03:41Tire as an example and the reason for
01:03:44that is whenever you have all this tire
01:03:46compliance or Tire squish this is just
01:03:49wasted energy going in the form of heat
01:03:51loss as you're burning that rubber
01:03:53moving that rubber over and over and so
01:03:55having a shorter tread block probably
01:03:57means less tire life than a typical
01:03:59allterrain would give but also means
01:04:02better efficiency and better response
01:04:04keep in mind most reviewers driving the
01:04:06Cyber Tru most car owners probably
01:04:09aren't doing hardcore off-roading with
01:04:11this truck they want the look of an
01:04:13off-roading Wheel and Tire with the
01:04:15benefits of a solid and responsive
01:04:17on-road handling characteristic and so
01:04:20going with that design with a shorter
01:04:22tread block probably led to those
01:04:24characteristics that Tesla and Good Year
01:04:26we're trying to get out of this
01:04:27particular Tire uh I think they look
01:04:29great I think they perform fine for
01:04:32General light off-roading you can air
01:04:35them down a bit um you know I I'd
01:04:37probably air down to 30 to 35 PSI for
01:04:40off-roading something like that the
01:04:41standard Factory pressures I want to say
01:04:43are 50 psi um let's take a look yep 50
01:04:47front and rear each I can't sometimes I
01:04:50get it confused my rivan's 48 This Is
01:04:5250 um and so you know they're just
01:04:54running huge pressures for the weight
01:04:56and everything like that it just just
01:04:58makes sense the downside of this
01:05:01particular tire is it is not a three-
01:05:03Peak Mountain snow you know slush Rated
01:05:06Tire this is a tire that is not going to
01:05:09work well for me in the winter time here
01:05:11in Colorado I will have to switch to a
01:05:14probably Nokian just because they
01:05:15sponsor out of spec but a Nokian winter
01:05:18tire uh that's load rated in this sizing
01:05:21configuration I should also mention that
01:05:23this tire every tire is a compromise as
01:05:25to what you're going for it this is
01:05:26incredibly quiet onroad responsive and
01:05:29provides amazing rolling resistance uh
01:05:31you know attributes for the Cyber truck
01:05:33but I like to go hardcore off-roading
01:05:36and in that case I actually have a set
01:05:38of the new Martian wheels 18-in
01:05:41cybertruck wheels this will be the first
01:05:43truck to wear them uh and the TR the
01:05:45wheels are actually already here waiting
01:05:46for the tires to arrive and I'll be
01:05:48running you know my truck when I'm using
01:05:50it in my day-to-day on the 18in with a
01:05:53big fat meaty Tire meant for hard
01:05:55hardcore off-roading and I can actually
01:05:58set those tires and wheels up into a
01:06:01physical bead lock configuration so I
01:06:03can run even lower pressures which is
01:06:05important because this is such a heavy
01:06:07vehicle you have to worry about rolling
01:06:08the tire off the bead so having a
01:06:10physical bead lock option is wonderful I
01:06:13don't recommend running beadlock on the
01:06:15street I actually think it's not DOT
01:06:16approved uh to do that but at least the
01:06:19wheels will give you the option to use a
01:06:20bead loock if you want and I probably
01:06:22will end up using that option for my
01:06:25off-road testing I'm going to keep a set
01:06:27of the fresh OE tire and wield this set
01:06:29here with a new fresh set of tires for
01:06:31when I have to do a comparison test or
01:06:34uh do something like that uh you know
01:06:36this versus that if you will because uh
01:06:38it would not be fair to the cybertruck
01:06:39if I ran 18-inch big meaty tires that
01:06:41are going to be inefficient and huge and
01:06:43built for off-road if I need to do a
01:06:44range test against another competitor
01:06:47vehicle like let's say the new trotor
01:06:49rivan that's coming out so I'll keep
01:06:50these on hand and swap back and forth
01:06:52like I do with all of my own cars anyway
01:06:54and that should be kind of fun is that
01:06:56enough talk on Tire I think it's a
01:06:57really cool Tire I'm really thrilled
01:06:59with it I wish they could have gotten
01:07:00the winter attributes in there to make
01:07:02it suited for cold weather uh and
01:07:04slippery conditions it is just not I
01:07:07I've had these in the snow and they suck
01:07:10so don't recommend driving on these in
01:07:12the wintertime make sure you always get
01:07:14a set of dedicated Winters or at least
01:07:16all- weather tires to handle slippery
01:07:20conditions um now the rest of chassis
01:07:24steering everything builds off of the
01:07:25tire of course so um I think maybe
01:07:28before we get into the steering system I
01:07:30can just make a couple notes on the
01:07:31overall structure of the vehicle which
01:07:33is incredibly stiff and it's it's
01:07:35unbelievable how stiff this vehicle is
01:07:37from a body structure standpoint and it
01:07:40almost gives you this supercar-like
01:07:42experience I hate to say that because
01:07:44it's not super car-like because it's a
01:07:46giant truck of course but in terms of
01:07:48torsional rigidity when you throw it
01:07:50into a corner when you do something
01:07:52interesting the there's no flexx to this
01:07:54almost whatsoever ever it's um it's it's
01:07:57really incredible to drive and leads to
01:07:59this very solid uh you know performance
01:08:02oriented Driving Experience in a truck
01:08:04that we've just been talking about
01:08:05off-roading which is really cool now the
01:08:08suspension system itself is fairly basic
01:08:11when you compare it to a lot of its
01:08:13competition uh they have uh some
01:08:16anti-dive and anti- squat uh built into
01:08:19the physical construction of the
01:08:21suspension the layout of them and I
01:08:22recommend watching Dan Edmond's video
01:08:24Dan's a friend of mine a wonderful
01:08:26Automotive journalist and he did a video
01:08:28on car and driver's YouTube channel deep
01:08:30analyzing the suspension system he'd be
01:08:32able to say it much more eloquently than
01:08:34I could he is a real great suspension
01:08:36engineer uh for a long time that was his
01:08:38career so I'll make sure that video is
01:08:40linked in the description watch Dan's
01:08:42review of the suspension but essentially
01:08:44the overview from my side is you have a
01:08:46huge air chamber on each uh Corner which
01:08:49means you have a lot of you know
01:08:52capacity in your air spring which means
01:08:54you can run relatively low pressures but
01:08:56still get the supporting benefits of
01:08:58that it means that the ride is really
01:09:00nice on the road I would say it's not as
01:09:02squishy as my old rivan r1t is but it's
01:09:06fairly close and this thing just rides
01:09:09great by far it's the best most
01:09:10comfortable Tesla in terms of ride
01:09:12quality uh they've ever made it's a very
01:09:15nice onroad Comfort ride quality uh and
01:09:19then because you have such big air
01:09:21Chambers and a huge air compressor and a
01:09:23big air tank it means that it can raise
01:09:25and lower very quickly as well uh in
01:09:27comparison to my rivan this thing can go
01:09:29from like you know full slam to Max
01:09:32height five times as fast it's amazing
01:09:34how quickly this can just change Heights
01:09:37and you're there and I've had no issues
01:09:38of my air compressor overheating uh so
01:09:41far I don't I'm not one of those that
01:09:42uses the knal function where it drops
01:09:44when I put it in park I think that adds
01:09:46wear and tear I'm not adjusting my
01:09:48suspension all that often I just like it
01:09:50to stay medium or high it defaults to
01:09:53low on the highway if I could raise it
01:09:55up by wood
01:09:57now the downside for this suspension
01:10:00comes with its roll control in terms of
01:10:03roll stiffness adjustability because it
01:10:05has massive meaty sway bars front and
01:10:09rear and they are physically connected
01:10:12there's no sway bar disconnect and again
01:10:14it is a physical metal bar that is
01:10:16running you know across car front and
01:10:18rear to me this truly indicates that the
01:10:21Cyber Tru is not intended to be an
01:10:24off-road vehicle first if you look at
01:10:27any hardcore Jeep if you look at rivan
01:10:31they use either two different forms of
01:10:34sway bar adjustments the first on the
01:10:36Jeep side is they have physical metal
01:10:38bars but then there's a sway bar
01:10:39disconnect Bronco has the same thing uh
01:10:41Bronco you can actually do sway bar
01:10:43disconnect under load which is pretty
01:10:44cool and that will basically uh take the
01:10:47metal bar that's connecting the left and
01:10:48the right side of the vehicle disconnect
01:10:50it so you get ultimate Flex so the tire
01:10:52can stay on the ground so you can really
01:10:54let those tires you know sort of relax
01:10:57get on the ground and help with traction
01:10:59when off-roading with the cybertruck the
01:11:01problem is you end up lifting a wheel
01:11:03quite often and because it weighs a
01:11:05little bit more in the back than the
01:11:06front especially the tri motor version
01:11:08you're always kind of lifting the front
01:11:09wheel up now that's actually okay in
01:11:12this case because I have a front
01:11:14differential Locker that allows me now
01:11:16to actually activate it and transfer the
01:11:18power cross car so I'm not just spinning
01:11:20this wheel to the moon and not getting
01:11:22any forward propulsion or forward torque
01:11:24to the ground without a diff Locker like
01:11:26I was having issues with before it would
01:11:28try and grab brakes to transfer torque
01:11:30but it wasn't great uh now I can at
01:11:32least lock the diffs and we'll have a
01:11:33full off-roading Deep dive now that I
01:11:35have all that stuff coming very soon
01:11:37like I mentioned uh I wish the way the
01:11:40rivan works is they have a hydraulic
01:11:42line that runs uh cross car and they can
01:11:44adjust the hydraulic pressure in those
01:11:46lines so they can infinitely uh control
01:11:49the roll stiffness from a um you know
01:11:52Flex standpoint of the vehicle in sport
01:11:54mode they can make it incred incredibly
01:11:55stiff and have no body roll all the way
01:11:57to just letting it completely Flex out
01:11:59in a rock crawling situation what I'd
01:12:01like to see is an aftermarket company
01:12:03perhaps have a quick disconnect on the
01:12:04front sway bar maybe the rear sway bar
01:12:07as well just so I could reach under
01:12:08there boom disconnect it get some more
01:12:10Flex out of it for off-roading but again
01:12:12I don't think that was the intended use
01:12:14of the Cyber Tru so that's the
01:12:16suspension layout for onroad for
01:12:19performance handling the bars are sized
01:12:21properly uh even for track work and
01:12:23stuff like that this truck is certainly
01:12:25the most Nimble the sportiest and the
01:12:27easiest to drive quickly out of the
01:12:29bunch I wouldn't have said this even one
01:12:32month ago one month ago the rivan was
01:12:34the clear uh leader in this category but
01:12:37now that baja mode is not um uh
01:12:40basically it's not locking you into high
01:12:42suspension you can run a lower
01:12:43suspension in Baja mode it has
01:12:45transformed my opinion of this truck and
01:12:48I can now get it working with the uh
01:12:51with the Baja mode in standard
01:12:53suspension occasionally I'll still have
01:12:54like a half shaft overextension issue on
01:12:57the front where I can almost hear like a
01:12:59half shaft spinning or some issue going
01:13:01on up there I got to bring it into Tesla
01:13:03and make sure everything's like bolted
01:13:04down correctly because other cyber truck
01:13:06owners haven't said that they've heard
01:13:07this half shaft spinning issue but I
01:13:08also probably drive this harder than
01:13:10most other cyber truck owners in Baja
01:13:12mode um but yeah I mean this thing when
01:13:14if you're in Baja mode and turn ESP off
01:13:16it'll just roast the tires it's
01:13:18hilarious it's really really crazy so
01:13:20that's suspension chassis stiff from a
01:13:22performance standpoint the truck's
01:13:24incredible for what it can do do and
01:13:25then we get to the steering and the
01:13:27first thing you should note is that the
01:13:28steering wheel is not connected to the
01:13:30wheels I'm not telling you anything you
01:13:31don't already know if you're watching
01:13:32this video so the steer by wire is
01:13:35really interesting um and I can even
01:13:38take you for a drive and we can talk a
01:13:39little bit more about steer by wire but
01:13:41there's been a software update recently
01:13:42that's I think increased my rear steer
01:13:45to 7° I thought it was going to be 10
01:13:47but I have 7 degrees of rear steer and a
01:13:49little bit more front turning as well
01:13:51and it makes this unbelievably Nimble
01:13:54Tove drive around town I mean this is
01:13:57the clear core competency to me of the
01:13:59Cyber Tru is how huge it can be and how
01:14:02small it can feel to drive just because
01:14:04of the steering system so um let's jump
01:14:08in and I'll take you for a ride I don't
01:14:09need to walk through the engineering of
01:14:10the steering because I think most people
01:14:12understand it you have dual redundant uh
01:14:14Motors on the front rack with a 48volt
01:14:16uh motor uh two Motors actually it's a
01:14:19ZF Source system and then you have a
01:14:20single motor in the rear uh driving the
01:14:23rear um Wheels in terms of turning so
01:14:26let's jump in and we'll talk a little
01:14:27bit more about the steering and the
01:14:29overall drivability and suspension
01:14:31Comfort on the road so one thing I
01:14:33really actually like about the Cyber Tru
01:14:35is the steering wheel itself it's like a
01:14:37nice uh squirkle if you will it looked a
01:14:40little bit awkward at first but using it
01:14:41it's kind of cool it's it's thin there's
01:14:44quite a bit of feedback that's simulated
01:14:46in the electric Drive motor uh that's in
01:14:48the rack that comes through the steering
01:14:50the only time that it doesn't have great
01:14:52feel is when you really load it up in a
01:14:54corner it kind of maxes out the the
01:14:56force of that uh motor driving the
01:14:58steering wheel and you get a very vague
01:15:00response on the limit so you just kind
01:15:02of have to listen to the tires
01:15:03thankfully it's electric to know like
01:15:05when you're approaching the limit of
01:15:07grip on the front axle but uh it seems
01:15:10pretty cool what this thing can do
01:15:11another thing that I actually like quite
01:15:13a bit is just having my gear stock right
01:15:15here in comparison my Model S screen is
01:15:17so far away with the shifting on the
01:15:19screen here you can see I can keep my
01:15:21hand on the wheel and flip between
01:15:23reverse and drive so it's almost like
01:15:25having a stock when the screen is moved
01:15:27away in the new model 3 or in my Model S
01:15:29I really don't like this shifter here
01:15:31thankfully there is the override shifter
01:15:33up here that you can pull up and you can
01:15:35you know tap different got to put my
01:15:37phone on the brake to Get It reversed I
01:15:38never use that um that that was probably
01:15:40the first time I've ever used it in this
01:15:42truck is just to demonstrate that so I'm
01:15:44at full lock right now I can go into
01:15:46drive go full lock to the left and
01:15:48there's just nothing that is as Nimble
01:15:51as just going Z and Z it's it's
01:15:55otherworldly and what you don't really
01:15:57notice when you first get into the
01:15:58cybertruck most people are like wow that
01:16:00steering's pretty cool but you don't
01:16:02notice the benefit until you actually
01:16:03get into another vehicle like if you get
01:16:05into a Silverado EV or a F-150 Lightning
01:16:10or a Ram or something and you get into
01:16:12one of those and you're like cranking
01:16:13the wheel and in this I'm just
01:16:16going straight it's just like these
01:16:19little tiny inputs that I'm moving this
01:16:22giant you know 18 something feet long
01:16:25vehicle around like nothing I mean it's
01:16:27this is one of its core competencies is
01:16:30the steering system I really really love
01:16:33the steering in the cybertruck and um
01:16:37driving around at low speed has been no
01:16:39issue almost no learning curve it took
01:16:41me 5 minutes really to get used to this
01:16:43system and it's gotten better since I've
01:16:45taken delivery in from when I first took
01:16:47deliv or first tested the Cyber truck at
01:16:50the beginning of this year uh I always
01:16:51said the steer by wire system when I
01:16:53initially reviewed the cyber truck was
01:16:56good until you drove it hard and now I
01:16:58would say it's actually good almost all
01:17:00of the time even when you throw it into
01:17:02a corner the ratio doesn't seem to
01:17:04change as much with speed it's a lot
01:17:06more predictable I know exactly how much
01:17:08steering I'm putting in and it's
01:17:10definitely like a much nicer uh overall
01:17:15software setting for the steering
01:17:16there's still one um awkward situation
01:17:19that I can get the steering in which is
01:17:21when I'm again in Baja mode sliding the
01:17:23truck around sometimes with a counter
01:17:25steer I don't really know how much
01:17:27naturally to put in like if I drive a A
01:17:30rivan or even an F-150 and I'm sliding
01:17:32it around I can pretty much just counter
01:17:34steer without even thinking about just
01:17:36naturally know okay um you know muscle
01:17:39memory this is about how much counter
01:17:40lot or counter steer I need to put into
01:17:42the slide this is like okay you get a
01:17:44big slide on and I have to just like
01:17:46keep adding steering until I feel it
01:17:48grab and catch and be like Oh okay
01:17:50that's where it is so you almost have to
01:17:51guess with your input when sliding and
01:17:54so occasionally that leads to an initial
01:17:55input of
01:17:57overcorrection um from a slide but I you
01:17:59know it's so quick you can just correct
01:18:01it instantly which is really nice the
01:18:03response of the steering is something
01:18:05I've heard a lot of people talk about
01:18:06and they've asked me as well like isn't
01:18:08the steering system slow it's like no
01:18:10boom boom it is as quick as I can turn
01:18:13the wheel the Cyber Tru is turning a lot
01:18:16of what people are concerned about from
01:18:17the steering system is a dry steer
01:18:20situation which puts the most load onto
01:18:22the motors the most load onto the rack
01:18:25uh it's something I don't really
01:18:26recommend people to do all that often is
01:18:28just sit there and dry steer it um it's
01:18:30just so rough on all of the components I
01:18:32certainly never do and certainly going
01:18:34from Lock to lock in this even with some
01:18:37of that dry steer lag when you're you
01:18:39know trying to turn that tire with it
01:18:40just sitting on the pavement uh you're
01:18:42still turning way faster than you could
01:18:44in a traditional combustion um or or
01:18:47even electric uh you know traditional
01:18:49steering system if you
01:18:51will so um I think that's enough on
01:18:54steer by most people get it once you get
01:18:56used to it you don't even think about
01:18:57anymore it's just really nice um again
01:19:00the the one Improvement I'd really like
01:19:01to see is on Towing uh you can see just
01:19:04how much the truck moves by turning the
01:19:06wheel a little bit that ratio does not
01:19:08change in tow mode and I'd really like
01:19:11to see Tesla slow down that ons Setter
01:19:14tipin response when towing because it
01:19:16can induce especially with a not
01:19:18properly loaded trailer and load it can
01:19:20induce some Sway and some just bad
01:19:23things and so I'd like to see just a
01:19:25slower tip in into toe mode and then you
01:19:27can progressively ramp up steering angle
01:19:29when I come you know past 90° or
01:19:32something like that you can really crank
01:19:33up that that full lock action
01:19:37um suspension we should talk about the
01:19:40comfort of the vehicle which is um aside
01:19:43from one or two weird edge cases
01:19:45incredibly comfortable this is a vehicle
01:19:48that you can cover a lot of miles in
01:19:50very comfortably uh with no issues the
01:19:52seats are great this seating position is
01:19:55wonderful the suspension because the
01:19:57chassis is so stiff and you have those
01:19:59big air um basically air Chambers for
01:20:02each side really allows the truck to
01:20:04work although I do notice a ton of head
01:20:07toss in the Cyber truck and this is just
01:20:09the nature of having physically
01:20:11connected sway bars where when one side
01:20:12hits a bump the whole truck leans that
01:20:15way and especially if you're pulling
01:20:16into a uh a an undulated driveway or
01:20:19pulling up into you know something like
01:20:20that at a 45 and one side hits the curb
01:20:23you're like wo leaned over this way and
01:20:25you get these hugee body swinging
01:20:27motions and this is where I think having
01:20:29an electronically disconnecting sway bar
01:20:32like a 7 Series has it or Porsche
01:20:34Dynamic chassity control of old had like
01:20:36a a dynamically adjustable sway bar
01:20:39based off the driving condition um or or
01:20:41even rivan going hydraulic like a
01:20:43McLaren situation rivan and McLaren use
01:20:45a similar technology would have really
01:20:48benefited the ride quality of this truck
01:20:50and again for the price point of it
01:20:52especially considering the foundation
01:20:54series and all of that stuff I would
01:20:55have loved to see um that sway bar Tech
01:20:59uh improve it would have helped for
01:21:00off-road and on-road Dynamics as well
01:21:03and so I think the the head toss uh
01:21:05thing is is really exacerbated in this
01:21:08vehicle because the rest of the
01:21:09suspension is so soft you're sitting
01:21:11quite far away from the road you're
01:21:13quite high up so you're kind of always
01:21:15going down the road like this and uh I
01:21:17would have just loved if they could
01:21:19isolate each individual wheel movement
01:21:21so it didn't infect the rest of the body
01:21:23motions of the vehicle other than that
01:21:25there's no purposing of the body like
01:21:27sometimes you get in Riv in it's just a
01:21:29really comfortable uh front and rear
01:21:31balance of the truck it's again just
01:21:33slightly heavier in the rear which I
01:21:35kind of like cuz I can just kind of use
01:21:37an off throttle entry into a corner and
01:21:39get it to rotate uh especially now that
01:21:41you can back ESP off so for me um in
01:21:45terms of sportiness in terms of daily
01:21:47Comfort it's amazing the only other
01:21:49thing I'll complain about on the
01:21:50suspension I already mentioned is
01:21:52because it's really limited to the side
01:21:54Beast what I have is when I hit a
01:21:56manhole cover under medium acceleration
01:21:58I get a big jolt a big nvh a big input
01:22:01into the Chassy of the vehicle and it
01:22:03just makes it very upset and feel very
01:22:05un premium and unpleasant uh over a bump
01:22:08when you have a wheel slip condition uh
01:22:11and I just really don't like that but
01:22:13everything else is nice cruising Alyssa
01:22:15I'll just let you uh grab the mic really
01:22:16quick because I'd like to hear your
01:22:18thoughts as you've done a lot of miles
01:22:20in this as well well the one thing with
01:22:22bride quality is like you've mentioned
01:22:24about with the steering wheel one that's
01:22:27one thing I don't like personally is how
01:22:29much one little cuz especially cuz it
01:22:31doesn't have auto pilot or anything
01:22:33while you're driving on the highway if
01:22:34you if your hands are not still then uh
01:22:37you're going into a curb pretty quickly
01:22:41yeah so even at high speed you're saying
01:22:42the steering input's too quick yeah I I
01:22:45don't like that a lot especially yeah
01:22:48because it does not have any driver
01:22:50assistance but um overall ride quality I
01:22:52think is always very it's very nice it's
01:22:57comfortable and it goes over bumps
01:23:00pretty well it's not like my rron for
01:23:02sure but it's a truck so you put it in
01:23:04the truck category and I think it's
01:23:06definitely pretty high up there in
01:23:08comparison to others hey guys it's
01:23:10Colton from out of speec detailing and
01:23:12I'm going to give a little bit of
01:23:13insight to what I found over the last
01:23:16couple of months on how to actually keep
01:23:18the Cyber Tru clean in all honesty I
01:23:20feel the Tesla cybertruck is one of the
01:23:23most complicated vehicles to actually
01:23:25figure out what works and what doesn't
01:23:27work but I've come to kind of grow and
01:23:29know and love this thing and really
01:23:31start to understand okay what works what
01:23:33really doesn't work so at the beginning
01:23:35of the year when Kyle went down to drive
01:23:37Ben's cybertruck I was also down in
01:23:39Austin working on a cyber truck as well
01:23:42and I did a huge batch of videos I think
01:23:45eight or nine videos where I tested
01:23:47everything from household cleaning
01:23:49products to waxes waterless washes
01:23:52ceramic Coatings I tested everything
01:23:55down there and one of the only things
01:23:56that I actually found that really worked
01:23:58the best on the Tesla cyber truck was
01:24:01the barkeeper friend soft cleanser now
01:24:03this is actually more of a compound form
01:24:06of a
01:24:07cleaner barkeeper friend makes basically
01:24:10three different ones so you have a
01:24:11powdered form you have a sprayable form
01:24:13which is called more and then you have
01:24:15the soft cleanser and what I found is
01:24:17doing the soft cleanser brings out the
01:24:19brightness in the actual stainless steel
01:24:21here getting rid of fingerprints any
01:24:23stains especially the big rust marks
01:24:26that everybody had talked about which is
01:24:28of course not rusting it's industrial
01:24:30Fallout this is something we deal with
01:24:33on painted Vehicles especially white
01:24:35Vehicles you get these bright orange
01:24:36rust spots all over it and really makes
01:24:39it a kind of a pain in the butt to clean
01:24:42but doing the Barkeeper's Friend on it
01:24:44and then Windex seems to be the ideal
01:24:46solution using an acid that's found in
01:24:48the Barkeeper's Friend and the ammonia
01:24:50which neutralizes each other really
01:24:53seems to be a nice comp comination then
01:24:56after I came back to Colorado started
01:24:57working with our Tesla cyber Tru over
01:25:00here we started playing more with
01:25:01specific Metal Coating so I've tested
01:25:04two now that I would kind of say I'm
01:25:06still trying to figure out which one I
01:25:07prefer I use DIY metal detail coating on
01:25:11here which is what's actually on our
01:25:12Tesla cybertruck and I also tested
01:25:15protecta clear which is not a ceramic
01:25:17coating it's a protective coating
01:25:19installed very differently than a
01:25:21traditional ceramic coating but gives a
01:25:23very unique and interesting finish if
01:25:25you're curious about how those go on
01:25:28basically head over to the out ofec
01:25:30detailing Channel I've got huge long
01:25:32dedicated videos to all of those but I
01:25:34would say one of the biggest challenges
01:25:36with the cybertruck is of course just
01:25:38the nature of the stainless steel it
01:25:39definitely seems to pick up a ton of
01:25:41fingerprints Kyle I want to have you
01:25:43come over
01:25:44here and as you can see we literally
01:25:47just ran this through the wash and you
01:25:49still deal with fingerprints all the
01:25:51time now the big rationale of me wanting
01:25:53to do something like a ceramic coating
01:25:55or protective coating on the Cyber Tru
01:25:57was to be able to get areas like this
01:25:59out water spots bug stains are huge
01:26:02issue especially on the front end and of
01:26:04course fingerprints so you want to just
01:26:06be able to clean these up quickly say
01:26:08you're going to a Cars and Coffee wipe
01:26:10it down with Windex Wipe It Down with a
01:26:12waterless wash in this situation but
01:26:15other than that I mean in all
01:26:17honesty initially it was a huge hurdle
01:26:19to figure out okay this works this
01:26:21doesn't works now I'm kind of feeling
01:26:23like it's almost a little bit easier to
01:26:25keep clean once you get some coatings on
01:26:27there once you understand what really
01:26:28works and what doesn't I see a lot of
01:26:30folks out there recommending hey I use
01:26:33this on my fridge Wyman stainless steel
01:26:35cleaner seems to be like the one that
01:26:36everybody goes to I've tested it on here
01:26:39it looks absolutely terrible funny
01:26:41enough I've also tested the official
01:26:43Tesla cybertruck detailing kit and was
01:26:45probably one of the worst contenders on
01:26:48their actual Tesla cybertruck so it's
01:26:50been a little bit tricky to figure out
01:26:52but definitely stay tuned because I'll
01:26:54have some more recommendations coming
01:26:56out because I truly feel like there are
01:26:58better products but as of right now in
01:27:00June of 2024 I think I've got a good
01:27:02cleaning regimen for the cybertruck and
01:27:04the regiment is just Windex barkeeper
01:27:07friend first off which we'll need to do
01:27:09another video on and make sure that
01:27:13you're not doing it too often of course
01:27:15you guys have probably seen on the
01:27:16cybertruck you can actually polish the
01:27:18same the steel to an absolute mirror
01:27:20over time using a barkeeper friend
01:27:22solution with a bunch of that comp pound
01:27:24abrasive in there can actually turn this
01:27:26super shiny so I would say maybe every 6
01:27:28months but more often a year keep it
01:27:31with Windex if you coat it you can use a
01:27:33waterless wash normal pH neutral snow
01:27:35foam on here and have yourself a day
01:27:38what about the build quality in terms of
01:27:39metal and other stuff you've done a
01:27:41review can you talk to us about that so
01:27:43I have done a full dedicated build
01:27:45quality analysis on the Cyber Tru and I
01:27:47got to say from my experience it's
01:27:50decent I wouldn't say it's anywhere near
01:27:52perfect our front trunk definitely needs
01:27:53a a lot of work on here you can see
01:27:56areas like our molding just sticking out
01:27:58of here it actually seems like recent
01:28:00cyber trucks they've removed that piece
01:28:02so they don't have to deal with it this
01:28:03side is actually the worst where it's
01:28:05literally just flapping out here
01:28:07essentially I can grab onto it does not
01:28:09look all that good um I got to say
01:28:12though honestly I'm surprised how nice
01:28:15the exterior kind of fits together I
01:28:17know a lot of criticisms have been out
01:28:19there I was one of those when we were
01:28:21seeing um you know the early cyber
01:28:24trucks all the panels were all warped
01:28:25and everything like that I got to say
01:28:27exterior build quality wise I think it's
01:28:29a lot better than interior interior has
01:28:32had massive creaks and rattles just
01:28:34develop over that 15,000 mi that's been
01:28:37quite annoying as I'm literally getting
01:28:39suntanned right
01:28:40here well thank you Colton appreciate it
01:28:44Alyssa you joined me behind the camera
01:28:46we got a mic on you now he guys um I
01:28:49think this is a really important section
01:28:51because 95 plus% of the convers ations
01:28:54that I have about the cybertruck are
01:28:56unfortunately not about the engineering
01:28:58driving Dynamics evaluation of charging
01:29:00performance and range and efficiency and
01:29:02the stuff I care about it's actually
01:29:04about the social acceptance of the
01:29:06cybertruck it's that's ugly that's cool
01:29:10are they stupid is that
01:29:12real people are driving crazy around you
01:29:15you know taking pictures causing havoc
01:29:17and traffic but I think a lot of that
01:29:19has changed even since we took delivery
01:29:21of the cybertruck I've noticed some big
01:29:24shifts in the public interactions that
01:29:26I'm having with it and I think it's
01:29:27worth um talking about it because this
01:29:30is really a statement piece for a lot of
01:29:31people in 2024 of course we bought it
01:29:34because we're interested in vehicle
01:29:35engineering and all the cool stuff that
01:29:36it can do but I think most people
01:29:38probably buy it as a like I mentioned a
01:29:41statement piece so Alyssa when we first
01:29:43got the cybertruck and we first were
01:29:45playing around with it how crazy was it
01:29:47to live with it and own it it uh I
01:29:51really felt my privacy was like out a
01:29:53zero and my social battery was always at
01:29:56a zero so um it got to the point where I
01:30:00told you that it can't be parked in our
01:30:02driveway it has to be parked here
01:30:04because we were getting stopped all the
01:30:07time people wouldn't even let me out of
01:30:09the driveway at some points because they
01:30:10were wanting to talk about it I'm like
01:30:12look I got to go like this is great go
01:30:14to Loveland and check them out they're
01:30:15sitting there uh the showroom but yeah
01:30:19it it got pretty intense and even our
01:30:21neighbors were like um why are people
01:30:24con constantly turning around in front
01:30:25of our house and then they figured it
01:30:27out that was this so it definitely
01:30:30became a little bit of a pain point
01:30:31there for the first month or so and for
01:30:34some people that was exciting for me I
01:30:35love talking to people I love meeting
01:30:37people at superchargers and everything
01:30:39and I was like damn I'm never like I've
01:30:41got friends everywhere when you have
01:30:42this thing and and the crazy thing to me
01:30:44was there was so much hate online so
01:30:47much hate online uh that that I could
01:30:49almost receive no positive response to
01:30:51this truck online but in person everyone
01:30:54loved it kids especially love the Cyber
01:30:57Tru even earlier today we had a group of
01:30:58kids walk by they're all like oh my God
01:31:00cyber truck crazy um and so I think
01:31:03maybe it's a little bit of a
01:31:04generational thing but uh either way
01:31:08early on you could almost not go
01:31:10anywhere without people talking to you
01:31:12talking about the truck you could hear
01:31:14murmur all around you if you were near
01:31:16it in a parking lot people talking about
01:31:18isn't that crazy is this thing real what
01:31:20is it so many people didn't even know it
01:31:22was a Tesla so many people didn't even
01:31:24know it was electric a lot of people
01:31:26weirdly knew it was bulletproof almost
01:31:28everyone knew it was bulletproof but
01:31:29didn't know it was electric so whatever
01:31:32you know all the videos of everyone
01:31:33shooting these things it's not actually
01:31:34bulletproof but it is bullet resistant
01:31:36in certain areas um that was a common
01:31:39topic that would come up but I feel like
01:31:41um the sentiment is kind of Shifting now
01:31:44especially as we come into summer
01:31:462024 um people have seen them there's
01:31:49maybe five here in town in Fort Collins
01:31:51I see a couple you know there's a guy
01:31:53who owns like a pool store right down
01:31:54the street from our house he's got one
01:31:56parked in front of his shop all the time
01:31:58um fewer people are like staring and
01:32:01pointing and losing their mind over this
01:32:03thing would you you drive it a lot
01:32:05Alyssa what do you think yeah I mean we
01:32:08actually we got the window their
01:32:10windshields tinted for not really that
01:32:12reason we like to get all of our
01:32:14windshields tinted but it was nice to
01:32:15definitely not have that Fishbowl effect
01:32:17and everybody is like filming you while
01:32:19you're going down the road it for me I'm
01:32:22an introvert so that got very agitating
01:32:25and I really wouldn't drive it because
01:32:26of it but now that things have died down
01:32:29I enjoy driving it I like to take the
01:32:31dogs out and go swimming with it it's a
01:32:33great little dog hauler for me it's uh
01:32:36and it's really it's grown on me since
01:32:39all of the interest of it really has
01:32:41died down a lot there's still some
01:32:43things here or there like I got flipped
01:32:45flicked off the other day yeah I've
01:32:47actually noticed maybe a little bit more
01:32:49hate in person has popped up more it
01:32:52used to just be pure EXC
01:32:54I guess um I just thought the guy was
01:32:56waving at me and wanted to know about
01:32:58the truck and so I waved back at him and
01:32:59then he flicked me off so I was like oh
01:33:01okay um but other than that I mean I
01:33:05think yeah the popularity has died down
01:33:07there's more in town here but I mean if
01:33:09you go and buy one and you're out in the
01:33:11middle of Kansas or something like that
01:33:13yeah you're going to get a lot of
01:33:14attention it probably is not going to
01:33:16die down anytime soon there um it still
01:33:19probably gets more attention than any
01:33:21other vehicle possibly could oh for sure
01:33:23I mean like today at least four or five
01:33:25people were still filming us actually I
01:33:26think when I look at who's filming us
01:33:28it's actually is the children it's
01:33:30always kids so which is great I've had a
01:33:32couple kids come up to me when I'm in
01:33:34the driveway and want to check it out
01:33:36and see it and I always give them a full
01:33:37tour and it just makes their whole life
01:33:39makes their whole day so it's really
01:33:41neat to see the generations actually
01:33:44being more interested and appreciative
01:33:46of different cars I don't think they
01:33:47really understand the electric versus
01:33:49gas side of things but I think at the
01:33:52young age there is no of that anymore
01:33:54people are becoming more noticeable and
01:33:56knowing of electric cars it's just a
01:33:58normal thing so but it's yeah it's it's
01:34:01grown on me yeah I I would say the
01:34:04General Social acceptance of the truck
01:34:06is just becoming more normal I would say
01:34:09the the extremes of people hating it and
01:34:11loving it seemingly are like dying down
01:34:13and we're just evaluating it for what it
01:34:15is and appreciating it as a normal truck
01:34:17still with that said it gets crazy
01:34:19amount of attention but when this thing
01:34:21launched and we are lucky we drive
01:34:23everything at work we drive supercars we
01:34:24drive you know things that typically get
01:34:26a lot of attention nothing got the
01:34:29attention like this especially I just
01:34:32remember the most insane experience was
01:34:35right after we took delivery and we
01:34:37started our cross country trip and I was
01:34:38driving through uh the panhandle of
01:34:40Florida which a lot of bro trucks a lot
01:34:43of you know diesels lifted they all went
01:34:45crazy for this thing they loved it
01:34:47that's cuz it's the craziest thing on
01:34:48Wheels and we were every other car on
01:34:51the road was filming us almost crashing
01:34:53into US it was just pure Insanity pure
01:34:56Insanity I've never experienced anything
01:34:58like it and now I would say it gets
01:35:00about the same level of attention as
01:35:01like a if you drove a a Bugatti Chiron
01:35:04or a Lamborghini Aventador which is
01:35:06manageable but still quite intensive if
01:35:09you're like Alyssa and don't really like
01:35:10talking to people out in the public if
01:35:12you're like me I'm like oh man I want to
01:35:14talk to more people um but uh yeah and
01:35:17it's really cool uh even today at
01:35:19Starbucks I rolled up and the this was
01:35:21the first one the the woman had seen uh
01:35:23and she was taking pictures and she's
01:35:24like oh my brother-in-law has one on
01:35:26order and he can't wait and he's excited
01:35:28and all that stuff so still
01:35:30overwhelmingly positive in person
01:35:32overwhelmingly negative online but it
01:35:35seemingly has died down a bit and I
01:35:37think um even folks who initially
01:35:39thought like this is stupid from a
01:35:41styling perspective can now start to
01:35:43understand how cool it is to drive it
01:35:45and live with it Alyssa we had your
01:35:46friend MJ here in town who was helping
01:35:48with the dogs she's like I don't want to
01:35:50be seen in that cyber truck so I picked
01:35:52her up in the airport with it
01:35:54yeah and actually it had that same like
01:35:56celebrity response everybody around her
01:35:58was like oh my god look a cyber truck's
01:36:00coming cyber truck this that this that
01:36:02and she was like oh God and she was
01:36:03actually filming the entrance as well
01:36:05she thought it was funny and she was
01:36:07like yeah this is ridiculous but over
01:36:09time um we actually we used both the
01:36:12rivan the truck and then also this and
01:36:15she actually I think in the end
01:36:16preferred driving around in this car as
01:36:19well she's a dog person so take that all
01:36:21into account as well and she said it it
01:36:24grew on her her uh yeah the onboard
01:36:26power was a big thing for her this
01:36:28running her heater just had much better
01:36:31uh Power conversion power to run the
01:36:32heater in the back had better HVAC for
01:36:34cooling in the cabin and a few other
01:36:36things that she really particularly
01:36:38liked about it yeah and uh her son
01:36:40drives a model X an older model X and
01:36:43she's driven that quite a bit and once
01:36:45she started being inside of it for quite
01:36:47some time she kind of I mean that's the
01:36:48same for me you forget what you're in
01:36:51until people start videotaping you
01:36:53you're like what's so cool about it and
01:36:55you're like oh yeah I forget I'm driving
01:36:56this triangle it's so normal when you're
01:36:58on the inside yeah it really is you just
01:37:00you feel like you're in any other Tesla
01:37:02and um which that I can appreciate it
01:37:06kind of dies down the level of um
01:37:09celebrity status but then you jump out
01:37:11you're like oh wait yeah it's a it's a
01:37:14funky looking refrigerator so so let's
01:37:16answer the question if you're buying a
01:37:18cybertruck do you go dual motor or Tri
01:37:20motor dual motor I think dual motor for
01:37:23most people people M uh unless you're
01:37:25going to be tracking it or really need
01:37:27the benefits of those individual Motors
01:37:29in the back for sliding around doing
01:37:31interesting things uh the dual motor is
01:37:33going to give you a much better daily
01:37:35experience because again it's that rear
01:37:37motor pushing you to me that's just a
01:37:38mental thing as well I just like having
01:37:40my primary axle be the rear axle I don't
01:37:43like the feeling of the bumps over here
01:37:45and the dual motor is $20,000 less
01:37:48you're going to have the same basic
01:37:50performance dayto day that's still a
01:37:52really fast truck over 600 horsepower
01:37:54and you actually get dual locking
01:37:57differentials which this has to use a
01:37:59simulated locking differential in the
01:38:01back which is Never As Good As a
01:38:03physical Locker so to me I would
01:38:07recommend most people just buy the dual
01:38:09motor me again if I had the opportunity
01:38:12to buy again I would still get the tri
01:38:13motor I love the power I love the
01:38:15ability from a performance standpoint to
01:38:17have torque vectoring on the rear axle I
01:38:19think it's hilarious how fast it is and
01:38:23uh so I I kind of like having the tri
01:38:24motor but I'm I'm okay to deal with some
01:38:27of the compromises the cost and the nvh
01:38:29and some other things that come along
01:38:31with having it so my recommendation for
01:38:3499% of people Towing hauling driving
01:38:36normally day-to-day get the dual motor
01:38:38even if you're hardcore off-roader get
01:38:40the dual motor with dual lockers that's
01:38:42pretty sick uh but if you're a stupid
01:38:44idiot Like Me Maybe get the tri motor
01:38:46Alyssa your thoughts cuz you've been in
01:38:47both as well uh yeah I mean now that
01:38:52I've experienced both with not over not
01:38:54just Tesla but rivan as well and other
01:38:56car companies and it seems that the
01:38:58common denominator is always the dual
01:39:00motor so I feel as that that's just the
01:39:03most com compromis and comfortable
01:39:05choice for most people and it's usually
01:39:08cheaper and one thing people just you
01:39:11know the speed is always great but I
01:39:13love getting in my rron and having it be
01:39:15kind of slow I mean it's fast enough it
01:39:17beats all the other cars off the line
01:39:18but it it is just a more comfortable
01:39:21this your head's getting pinned to the
01:39:23wall you have to make sure your neck is
01:39:25braced I mean I was scared to have drive
01:39:27it in chill mode yeah I drive it in
01:39:30chill mode okay and it's it's great but
01:39:33like I was afraid to have my 90-year-old
01:39:35grandfather in here I'm like grandpa
01:39:36really put your head on the rest or the
01:39:38headrest and you know really brace your
01:39:40neck for this he's okay okay he loves it
01:39:43and me people it's a Showboat case it's
01:39:45not really a everyday usability thing so
01:39:48save $20,000 and get the more overall
01:39:52package get the dual motor for sure is
01:39:54is is the clear answer uh let's talk
01:39:57about the issues we've had with the
01:39:58cybertruck because uh this is what a lot
01:40:00of people are going to want to know what
01:40:01has broken on our truck over the last
01:40:0415,000 miles of usage and I think it's
01:40:06important to mention things came broken
01:40:09on this truck most notably my build
01:40:11quality whatever is going on with the
01:40:13front trunk all these edges Colton
01:40:14already mentioned it in his build
01:40:16quality review but all of that was noted
01:40:18upon delivery and has not gotten worse
01:40:20but that is just to me appalling fit and
01:40:23finish that is crazy yep but you still
01:40:25took delivery of it and that's just the
01:40:27Tesla ways people just don't care but
01:40:30well they'll fix it under warranty I
01:40:32have nothing to worry about but it's
01:40:33just with every Tesla we've ever bought
01:40:36it always has to go back one or two
01:40:38times to get dialed in right yeah it's
01:40:41um overall I
01:40:44it's it's just hard that that side is
01:40:47just difficult for me okay well I'm I'm
01:40:49probably more forgiving than most also
01:40:51because I'm buying this for content
01:40:54right different use case for it but if
01:40:57somebody were spending their good
01:40:58hard-earned money and they showed up and
01:41:00then see this kind of whatever's going
01:41:02on over here I mean there's weather
01:41:03stripping hanging out right there yeah
01:41:05Colton mentioned that yeah it's all all
01:41:07this different stuff it's just like it's
01:41:08mind-blowing to me that they're like
01:41:10okay yeah they won't care enough or
01:41:12we'll just fix it later it's just it's
01:41:14such a crazy mindset but quality is not
01:41:16the main driver like when we talk to
01:41:18Porsche Engineers Audi engineers
01:41:20Mercedes Engineers quality Quality
01:41:22quality like the quality yeah rivan
01:41:24great quality yeah rivan's great quality
01:41:27um okay so our wiper fell off we had to
01:41:29go get a new windshield wiper Y and uh
01:41:31that was actually an interesting process
01:41:33because um when it fell off we were
01:41:35driving without a windshield wiper and
01:41:37it uh wiped a couple times an auto wiper
01:41:39and kind of scratched the windshield
01:41:40right here yeah I don't know if you can
01:41:42see it yeah but Alyssa you went in to
01:41:44get the wiper replaced from Tesla
01:41:45Service in Leland and they were kind of
01:41:48like you had to pay for a wiper yeah I
01:41:51walked in initially and they're like oh
01:41:52well you want to service appointment I'm
01:41:54like to put on a wiper I need a whole
01:41:56service appointment this that they're
01:41:57like okay well we could just give it to
01:41:59you too I'm like yeah I mean I came in
01:42:01here I just I just want it and so they
01:42:03went why don't you wait for your service
01:42:05appointment I'm like cuz it might rain
01:42:06in the next 3 we I was like cuz we don't
01:42:08have like a working wiper and it's
01:42:10already scratching our windshield are
01:42:11you guys going to put that under
01:42:12warranty as well I wasn't I wasn't nasty
01:42:16I wasn't caring about it I was just like
01:42:18come on guys let's let's get the brains
01:42:19moving a little bit quicker um but yeah
01:42:23so I got it went in got the windshield
01:42:25wiper and then they're like so how do
01:42:27you want to pay for this I was like uh
01:42:31shouldn't this be covered under warranty
01:42:33and they're like oh well you know how
01:42:35did it break I'm like regardless if it
01:42:39broke or if it f like whatever it is
01:42:41we've had this for Less Than 3 months at
01:42:44that point it's not like we were ripping
01:42:45on it yeah I was like I was like what do
01:42:47you think I'd manually do as a little
01:42:50woman to break my truck well J it broke
01:42:53when Jordan well you know um and he was
01:42:58like oh you know I'll let I'll let this
01:43:01one go you know I'll give it to you guys
01:43:04under warranty for free I'm like well no
01:43:06 I mean I like okay wow thanks buddy
01:43:10you really saved my day but I didn't get
01:43:13to know how much it cost which that kind
01:43:15of bummed me out I literally could have
01:43:17just looked but my mind was so
01:43:18flabbergast yeah that was the one thing
01:43:19I'm like Alyssa how much were they going
01:43:20to ask you to pay for the wiper I was I
01:43:22was just just thinking about how much
01:43:24just crazy that they wouldn't have
01:43:26covered that under warranty to begin
01:43:27with but oh well we got a new one it
01:43:31took you and Danny both to install it to
01:43:33figure it out but now we couldn't figure
01:43:35it out but now we know how it
01:43:36interchanges and gets in and it's not
01:43:38any there's no Alibaba versions of that
01:43:40so you have to go to Tesla to get them
01:43:42yeah I don't think it's incredibly
01:43:43expensive for the wiper no I don't I I
01:43:46want to say it was around the
01:43:476D I don't know I I don't really
01:43:50remember so that's the only thing we
01:43:51fixed on the truck so far
01:43:53yeah cuz we just haven't brought it in
01:43:55for service we've had a service
01:43:56appointment that we keep pushing back
01:43:57and back because we keep filming with it
01:44:00and people need to use it we need to use
01:44:02it and so we still have not had our
01:44:04recall fixed which is the accelerator
01:44:06pedal rivet which ours isn't broken uh
01:44:08well it's like it's either fine or when
01:44:11it does break you're like pegged at Full
01:44:13Throttle yeah so it could break yeah and
01:44:16so you just need to hit the brakes if
01:44:18that happens uh and I also make sure I
01:44:20never try and when I am wide open
01:44:21throttle push the pedal forward
01:44:23always kind of actually pulling back a
01:44:25little bit but we do need to get that
01:44:26insted when this was out in California
01:44:29with Jordan that's actually when the
01:44:31rivet recall popped up for the
01:44:32accelerator pedal and we we made a Tesla
01:44:35Service appointment to try and have that
01:44:36fixed because a lot of people drive this
01:44:38truck I drive I you know friends drive
01:44:40it I don't want them getting into a
01:44:41dangerous situation and the local Tesla
01:44:43Service Center was like sorry we don't
01:44:44work on Cyber trucks but we're like we
01:44:46just need the little stupid thing in the
01:44:47accelerator P it takes 10 seconds
01:44:49they're like nope you can schedule an
01:44:50appointment and we're like okay well
01:44:52when it goes in for everything we'll
01:44:53just have them take care of that as well
01:44:55uh here's some issues on it that have
01:44:56been pretty much since new but squeaks
01:44:59and rattles have been a real problem for
01:45:03example and that happens every
01:45:07time that's been since new though every
01:45:09time I open and close the door this
01:45:11mirror just makes a weird squeaky sound
01:45:15it makes it sound like crap yeah I mean
01:45:18but honestly all the issues that we're
01:45:19about to talk to you guys about has been
01:45:21here since day one no
01:45:23not my door creaking when I accelerate
01:45:26and decelerate it feels like this is
01:45:28like staying stationary and the truck
01:45:29moves and
01:45:31it Creeks hate that I've got rattles in
01:45:34the back all by the back seats when the
01:45:36base hits the car was a lot more put
01:45:37together and then it started it just one
01:45:39day it just started rattling everywhere
01:45:415,000 miles it seemed like 5 to 7,000
01:45:44miles was the durability test for the
01:45:46interior and then it just feels like
01:45:47it's falling apart I even hit the brakes
01:45:49the other day and the whole driver's
01:45:51seat like moved oh and then I went to
01:45:53put the seat back uh and like on the
01:45:55rails it's like almost binding on the
01:45:57rails now so it might be missing a bolt
01:46:00which happened with us before that
01:46:01they've forgotten to really tighten a
01:46:03bolt on stuff so what we need to do is
01:46:05just go bring this to Tesla which it's
01:46:07going in the first week of July I think
01:46:08we have it scheduled hopefully we don't
01:46:10need it that week we just keeps getting
01:46:12pushed back and every time they push it
01:46:14back it's like oh our next appointment's
01:46:15four weeks from now yeah which usually
01:46:17it's not the case for that yeah but
01:46:19they're slammed because they let a bunch
01:46:20of people go so like all of our texts
01:46:22that we knew Loveland they're all gone
01:46:24like our favorite people who would come
01:46:25to our house everybody everyone we knew
01:46:28oh they left all the good guys go yeah
01:46:30they're all great so it's kind of sad
01:46:32that they let a lot of the real hardcore
01:46:33team that made our Tesla Oni life easier
01:46:36go but um yeah the the squeaks and
01:46:38rattles are a serious issue that drive
01:46:42me insane also my steering wheel isn't
01:46:44centered it's slightly off-centered so I
01:46:45need to have them bring that in what
01:46:47else Alyssa is there aside from those
01:46:49little squeaks and rattles and steering
01:46:50wheel mostly just like the body stuff I
01:46:53don't yeah fix the front so many people
01:46:55have like like our friend Zach he's
01:46:57limiting his whole car and we're like we
01:47:00don't have any those issues we're really
01:47:02really lucky I guess with that the
01:47:03squeaks and rattles and little stuff the
01:47:05like little annoying things that happens
01:47:07on every Tesla and we're also probably
01:47:09more particular than your typical Tesla
01:47:12owner because we are used to driving a
01:47:14high quality product we want this to
01:47:15feel that way um we're probably more
01:47:17particular but uh Tesla's never given us
01:47:19an issue on fixing anything it might
01:47:21take them a few times to understand what
01:47:23we're trying to communicate or bring in
01:47:24but but they do a good job the only
01:47:26thing I think that's wrong with this
01:47:28that I don't think Tesla will know how
01:47:29to fix is I have an intermittent
01:47:31gearrain wine on the front motor and so
01:47:34between like 75 and 90 mph cruising down
01:47:36the highway I'll get this war B this
01:47:39resonance coming from seemingly the gear
01:47:42train up front that I just know there's
01:47:45no way I'll ever be able to explain that
01:47:46to the Tesla Service Center been really
01:47:49fixated on gear or on wines lately oh
01:47:51yeah yeah just with all the cars he's
01:47:54noticing all things should be
01:47:56consistently quiet right no I agree but
01:47:58I mean yeah overall everything still
01:48:00works yeah I can't think of really
01:48:02anything else that's wrong with it that
01:48:04that kind of needs to get fixed and and
01:48:06if so I'll do a video on our first
01:48:07service experience but um so so far
01:48:10everything's held together really well
01:48:11no no panels have flown off of it like
01:48:14some people they're like losing this
01:48:15panel nothing like
01:48:17that just C think a crazy thing happened
01:48:21I just I'm glad I remembered our Wheels
01:48:23almost fell off your wheels so something
01:48:25did almost fall off oh cuz yeah the the
01:48:27lug nuts backed themselves off yeah
01:48:29which is not like totally unusual like
01:48:31if you drive cars hard you always want
01:48:33to make sure you tighten them but what
01:48:34was weird is uh motor Tren borrowed the
01:48:36truck we got it back from them only like
01:48:38a few miles like not even 100 miles
01:48:41later um we had the wheel caps on the
01:48:43truck at the time Jordan picks me up at
01:48:45LAX airport and you can see all this
01:48:47damage in here so like the whole wheel
01:48:49got chewed up I wonder if they War
01:48:52they'll warrant see me a new wheel all
01:48:53of this damage in here is because one of
01:48:56these um lug nuts backed themselves off
01:48:59and actually came completely off and the
01:49:01rest were loose on all of the wheels and
01:49:04the wheel cover held in the um the uh
01:49:07the wheel nut thankfully and we didn't
01:49:09miss one but I was like we're at the LAX
01:49:11Airport Pulling wheel covers out of this
01:49:13thing in front of a crowd of people just
01:49:15like trying to hand tighten these before
01:49:16we could get to a torque wrch wrench
01:49:18shout out to my friend Zach for bringing
01:49:19one over so we tighten the wheels up but
01:49:22that that was a real weird issue that
01:49:24I've never really seen on another car
01:49:27happen like that uh I haven't really
01:49:29noticed it it could just be a weird
01:49:30anomaly but I have to mention it uh and
01:49:32again that that was after we had
01:49:33retorqued the wheels we've had the
01:49:35wheels on and off the truck so it was
01:49:36not necessarily delivered to us that way
01:49:39from Tesla but just if you have a
01:49:42cybertruck just make sure you tighten
01:49:43your your uh lug nuts there and make
01:49:45sure they're you know torque to Speck
01:49:47every few thousand miles so that's
01:49:49what's wrong with it which is honestly
01:49:51not much just rattles
01:49:53uh annoying number of rattles I would
01:49:55say um one concern I have about the the
01:49:58wear and tear of the truck is on the
01:49:59driver's
01:50:01seat because the truck is pretty high up
01:50:04and I don't dump the suspension out I've
01:50:06already noticed some Rippling Happening
01:50:08Here on my driver side bolster uh and
01:50:10I've been trying to put my butt up and
01:50:12over the seat so that I don't sit on
01:50:14this
01:50:15but yeah not much we can really do about
01:50:18that
01:50:20no I think that's about it everything
01:50:22else is pretty good on the truck pretty
01:50:23solid just squeaks every time I close
01:50:27the door this mirror squeaks so that's
01:50:29that's the the reliability side of
01:50:31things I'm going to do a little Q&A and
01:50:33get through the rest of the stuff here
01:50:34at the end of the video but I think uh
01:50:36just to summarize our thoughts on owning
01:50:38this for 15,000 miles uh because a lot
01:50:41of people will probably just jump to
01:50:42this section right here it it has been
01:50:44again a interesting piece of Automotive
01:50:47History to own this certainly will go
01:50:48down as one of the most interesting cars
01:50:51of the Maybe even decade Century perhaps
01:50:55it's definitely a icon of automotive and
01:50:59um I'm lucky enough to have owned it
01:51:01there's a lot of good there's a lot of
01:51:02bad there's a lot of exciting features
01:51:04there's a lot of little annoyance things
01:51:06with it but overall I would say it's
01:51:08neither as great or as terrible as a lot
01:51:11of people say that's a Johnny liberman
01:51:13quote that's how he always describes it
01:51:14it's not as great or as terrible as
01:51:15everyone says and I would generally
01:51:17agree with that it's it's cool it's fast
01:51:20it's getting better with updates
01:51:22certainly isn't improved a lot it has a
01:51:23long way to go autopilot still missing
01:51:25charge curve needs massive improvements
01:51:27and I still think they need a bigger
01:51:29battery option I don't think the range
01:51:31extender is the right approach but uh
01:51:33for a truck it's probably priced way too
01:51:36expensive for its capabilities and its
01:51:38competitive segment and I would still
01:51:40recommend if you need an electric pickup
01:51:42truck for work to buy the Silverado EV
01:51:44just because of the battery pack and
01:51:46everything F-150 Lightning certainly is
01:51:48a fantastic option as well the rivan if
01:51:50you want to do more adventuring and and
01:51:52this is like if you're a tech bro who
01:51:54wants something interesting we we might
01:51:56do a a an update once all the other
01:51:58electric pickup trucks get refreshed new
01:52:00rivian coming F-150 for 2024 maybe
01:52:03another comparison of everything but
01:52:05overall this is certainly an interesting
01:52:07piece of automotive and it's been really
01:52:10cool to own it feel everyone's responses
01:52:13and I'm uh like I said very lucky to be
01:52:15in the position to have this to make
01:52:16videos for you about it and to
01:52:18experience it it's been really cool and
01:52:20so my overall impression is extremely
01:52:23positive on the Cyber Tru uh I really
01:52:25like it I really there's things about it
01:52:26I don't like of course but overall cool
01:52:29truck what do you think
01:52:30Alyssa yeah yeah I mean it's it's become
01:52:33less offensive to me over time and it's
01:52:35actually truly grown on me I like it I
01:52:38do enjoy driving it it's fun to drive
01:52:40and um yeah I mean it it's really we're
01:52:43really fortunate to be able to say that
01:52:45we've own this truck and it's just yeah
01:52:49it's a piece of Automotive History I
01:52:51agree with that it's a CTIC it's
01:52:54something something it's something
01:52:55something for sure great well let's go
01:52:58back I'm going to do a little Q&A just
01:52:59answer some of your questions that you
01:53:01guys asked on Twitter and my Instagram
01:53:03and then we'll finally end this video
01:53:05hello viewers just to end the video with
01:53:07a little Q&A I asked some folks on
01:53:09Twitter Instagram or is it X whatever uh
01:53:13just some questions about it so let's
01:53:14just run through it uh how unsafe is the
01:53:17snow blocking the front headlights well
01:53:20I can show you over here there's this
01:53:22like lip in the front bumper and snow
01:53:24accumulates in here and there's no
01:53:26heating element for the headlights so
01:53:28yes it's um a little bit annoying but
01:53:31actually kind of the similar thing
01:53:33happens on the front of the rivan
01:53:34headlights where these get covered in
01:53:36snow and don't accumulate much heat so
01:53:39yeah especially if you're like following
01:53:41a vehicle in schmutzy conditions where
01:53:43there's slush and crap getting thrown
01:53:45all over the Cyber truck it just gets
01:53:47progressively darker at night the
01:53:49headlights are okay they're pretty good
01:53:51um I would say say not incredible
01:53:55headlights um out of the box but they're
01:53:58acceptable when you start getting snow
01:54:00on them yeah that's definitely a problem
01:54:02and the lip doesn't
01:54:04help uh how are the cooled seats I've
01:54:08seen exactly zero people talk about how
01:54:10well they work they're pretty good
01:54:11they're not like Kia good Kia has the
01:54:13best cooled seats but the cooled seats
01:54:14in the Cyber Tru are uh they more
01:54:17ventilation but the pickup is near a
01:54:19seemingly a cold area of the HVAC so
01:54:22works pretty well no no major issues
01:54:24with that uh Phantom drain this is a
01:54:27real problem uh this truck drains a
01:54:30significant amount of energy when parked
01:54:32with even Sentry mode off I've never
01:54:35seen anything like it uh I really hope
01:54:37they work on the Fantom drain situation
01:54:39because this thing will drop multiple
01:54:41percent per day uh which is kind of
01:54:46insane especially considering it's 120
01:54:48Kow battery pack so um yeah bed water
01:54:51resistance I took it through the car
01:54:53wash today the bed gets wet it's not
01:54:56that water resistant I wouldn't put
01:54:58anything in there you're worried about
01:54:59getting wet with the Tano
01:55:01closed uh if I wasn't running my
01:55:04business would I still purchase this
01:55:05vehicle honestly I'm a car Enthusiast I
01:55:08think a lot of what you see on YouTube
01:55:10is a reflection of my personal interests
01:55:12anyway um perhaps if I had a disposable
01:55:15income enough to afford something like
01:55:17this and afford the depreciation yes I
01:55:20can eat some of the depreciation because
01:55:22I able to make videos like this uh for
01:55:24you guys so I probably if I was in a
01:55:27financial position where I could say
01:55:30yeah I don't mind losing 50 Grand in a
01:55:32year or whatever this thing is going to
01:55:33drop I don't know um Pro probably like
01:55:3530,000 in the first year um would I
01:55:38still purchase it probably it's really
01:55:40cool I'm into it I think it's neat uh
01:55:42should I buy a foundation or wait a few
01:55:44months I want the beast but if I can
01:55:46save
01:55:47$20,000 And subscribe to FSD that'd be
01:55:50ideal well first of all
01:55:53um yeah do you need the Beast maybe sure
01:55:56uh but yeah definitely don't get a
01:55:58foundation series there's no benefit
01:55:59it's just a badge it's this badge right
01:56:01here and it doesn't doesn't do anything
01:56:04in fact I still don't have autopilot uh
01:56:07did not get the light bar haven't got
01:56:08the power sharing stuff installed yet
01:56:10what else came with Foundation I don't
01:56:12even know but it just it seems like they
01:56:13charged 20 grand for really not much
01:56:16someone asked what are the Missing
01:56:17Foundation series items quite a bit I
01:56:20don't know all of them off hand but it
01:56:21seems quite a bit
01:56:22uh is it better than an r1t Hummer EV
01:56:25and F-150 Lightning uh is it worth the
01:56:28premium price to the r1t and lightning
01:56:30so so many categories to review that in
01:56:33I still think the r1t if you don't need
01:56:35a big truck is a great electric truck
01:56:39they look good the Right image they're
01:56:41very high quality um I love the way they
01:56:43drive I'm a huge rivan fan I like the
01:56:47company I like the trucks I like the way
01:56:48they drive they're awesome Hummer EV
01:56:51also badass honestly I kind of would
01:56:53choose a Hummer Eevee over this probably
01:56:55to answer the question if I didn't have
01:56:56a YouTube channel I just wanted like a
01:56:58crazy Tonka toy truck I'd probably get a
01:57:01Hummer EV because they're hilarious um
01:57:03big battery fast charging and just you
01:57:06know pops
01:57:07wheelies they're insane uh yeah that's
01:57:10probably what I'd be driving and it came
01:57:11out you know two years ago or whatever
01:57:13so um is it worth the premium price to
01:57:17the lightning and r1t for most people
01:57:19probably not but to me maybe I don't
01:57:22know I still think if I ever had to have
01:57:24just one car in my garage to do
01:57:26everything it'd be an r1t uh I can only
01:57:29keep one r1t or cyber
01:57:32truck I don't know I think honestly I
01:57:35like the size of the Cyber Tru so much
01:57:37better than the rivan uh uh but that I
01:57:41would only keep the Cyber truck over the
01:57:43r1t if we had an r1s this is just a
01:57:46review truck that I have so if maybe I
01:57:49buy an r1s in the future I could see
01:57:51myself getting rid of the r1t and having
01:57:53this but I think at this point I at
01:57:55least always need to have a Tesla in the
01:57:57garage and a Rivia in the garage these
01:57:59two companies represent sort of the
01:58:01Pinnacle of Automotive Engineering from
01:58:03a software first perspective and um as a
01:58:07car reviewer it's really important to
01:58:09know what the benchmarks are doing and
01:58:10to live with them on a daily basis so
01:58:12that when I review a BMW an Audi a byd a
01:58:15Neo and xang etc etc I know what uh
01:58:19these two companies clearly benchmarks
01:58:21are doing in the space so um yeah I
01:58:25think I'll always have a rivan and a
01:58:26Tesla whether it's those particular two
01:58:28and this one will stick around I'm not
01:58:30totally sure I can't sell my cyber truck
01:58:32for a year otherwise Tesla will sue us
01:58:34unless I sell it back to Tesla and I was
01:58:37thinking like maybe I should just trade
01:58:38this in on a new model 3 Performance
01:58:40once we're done making the videos I
01:58:41still probably need it for another 3
01:58:43months and then after that I need to
01:58:45really make a decision to say hey have
01:58:46we gotten all the content we need out of
01:58:48this truck and should we dump it um and
01:58:51and dump it in a way where it's
01:58:52appropriate uh for Tesla and we know
01:58:54we're not going to get in trouble for
01:58:55selling it or do I just keep it longterm
01:58:59I'm kind of not super into the like keep
01:59:01it long-term idea on this truck there's
01:59:03enough annoyances uh for me and
01:59:06certainly the the depreciation cost
01:59:08could be very high here where I probably
01:59:10won't keep it forever but uh who knows
01:59:12maybe I'll like it once we put the big
01:59:14tires on it and the Martian wheels and
01:59:16start having some fun I don't know I
01:59:18just think if I'm going to keep a truck
01:59:19longterm it needs to have bigger battery
01:59:22faster charging good for towing and
01:59:23actually usable vehicle for my needs and
01:59:26that would be like Silverado
01:59:28EV uh or Sierra Eevee something like
01:59:31that kind of has my eye replacing the
01:59:33Cyber Tru anyway who knows what'll
01:59:35happen in the future I don't want to
01:59:35make any promises because I really don't
01:59:37know all just ideas but uh thanks so
01:59:39much for watching my cybertruck
01:59:40ownership update uh I hope you guys
01:59:42enjoyed this one it was really fun to
01:59:44make it check out my article uh if you
01:59:46haven't yet and hopefully you learned a
01:59:48little something about the Cyber truck
01:59:51or or you just wasted two hours of your
01:59:53life I don't know thanks for watching
01:59:55see you on another one again soon
01:59:56bye-bye
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