00:00so not only are you you have no idea
00:04whether you're actually getting a boost
00:05in testosterone you may also be looking
00:08at side effects toxicity and all sorts
00:11of issues for a tradeoff that you don't
00:19exists folks how are you I am Dr Mike
00:22for RP strength and I have two amazing
00:25Stellar young supple newbile no yes re
00:29res archers with me today Dr Pac and Dr
00:33Milo or Dr Milo and Dr pack known as the
00:37Wolfpack when they are
00:39together and they do gang signs because
00:42they're from Europe and that's where
00:43gangs come from but there's another
00:46thing that comes from Europe it's not
00:48Gang Related it is a series of
00:51supplements you may be able to take that
00:56testosterone do those things really come
00:58from Europe fuck if I know no no
01:00probably not most of them if not all of
01:02them not right what comes from Europe
01:05cigarettes red wine and the general
01:08civilization and America All America and
01:10a general blasé attitude about what is
01:13this life anyway yeah I think that's a m
01:15character is I don't like maybe the
01:18French are like that definitely the
01:20French he speaks French so I can say it
01:22shit do you feel more like every time
01:25you speak Superior what is the meaning
01:27of this anyway yeah both Superior and uh
01:31totally kind of like tuned out of life
01:34just light me another cigarette I'll
01:35read some more poetry Noir die in a
01:38motorcycle accident that is a French way
01:42Abu you know or is the say in Greek Kami
01:45yes now believe it or not folks we're
01:48not just here to learn about
01:53heritage there are claims abounding that
01:58there are pills and potions and powders
01:59you can take supplements not steroids
02:02herbal supplements in fact some of these
02:06that can boost your testosterone and
02:08thus boost your level of jackness and
02:10thus make you more popular and thus make
02:12you happier and get you more
02:17sex I wasn't sure if the hubub about
02:20testosterone supplementation was true I
02:23last I looked into it was about 10 years
02:25ago and we had nothing that reliably
02:26boost to testosterone levels or any kind
02:29of antic effects like getting jacked
02:33Etc so I called my buddies pack and Milo
02:36Dr pack and Dr Milo they are both PhD in
02:38sports science and they went and did a
02:42dive about common testosterone boosting
02:48supplements do they work if so how is
02:51there a reason to suspect that they work
02:53is there a reason to suspect their total
02:54BS or is it one of the situations where
02:56something may be promising or not
02:58promising but more research is needed
03:00fellas first of all welcome thank you
03:02for having us world's logest intro
03:03you're welcome for that and uh each of
03:08you really Dove deep on two of the
03:10supplements so four total kind of the
03:13four most popular ones seemingly by a
03:16long shot I didn't even know there were
03:18four I thought there was like one and a
03:19half but there apparently four who wants
03:22start I'll start pack perfect we'll
03:27ashwaganda have you ever heard of Ash
03:30I've went and bathed in Monkey blood in
03:33a temple in India it was called
03:35ashwagandha Temple now the monkey blood
03:37is delicious if you drink it and
03:39definitely increases your testosterone
03:41if for anything else other than the
03:43monkey testosterone you directly absorb
03:46but uh I actually do currently take
03:48ashwagandha respect same but I don't
03:51take it for its testosterone boosting
03:53benefits because a considerable
03:56milligram number of testosterone I
03:58inject into my body daily will take care
03:59of that for me I take it because it has
04:03anxiolytic properties reduction and
04:05anxiety I get anxiety from taking lots
04:08of steroids and so ashwag does a great
04:10job and is empirically validated to be
04:12quite um decent angiolytic
04:15medication but I've heard musings about
04:19his testosterone boosting uh abilities
04:21tell me about them sure it's good that
04:23you mention the antic effects of asag
04:25Ganda because we do have um documented
04:28effects of ashanda on Stress and Anxiety
04:31and that's the reason I take ashanda as
04:33well when it comes it's not a throwaway
04:34supplement whatever we say about it next
04:36as far as testosterone goes people uh
04:39will rely on three studies to make the
04:42claim that ashr gandha could be a
04:43GameChanger for testosterone better than
04:46steroids bro I'm not sure if somebody
04:48has actually said that but in the world
04:50of pseudo Deep dive people want that
04:52extra hack they want to hear about new
04:54Arab supplements ashwagandha is an
04:56evergreen shrub mainly from from India
04:58and a lot of the I got that part right
05:00yeah that's why the monkeys were eating
05:02before they bled into the lake I'm
05:05kidding classic India classic India TR
05:08that's mild as far as India trp goes
05:10yeah so when it comes and two of those
05:12studies were actually conducted in India
05:15um fun fact on blood Temple monkeys on
05:20people on recreationally active
05:22individual okay two same lab in India or
05:24no not the same lab that's good A little
05:26bit of multi-lab confirmation assuming
05:29they found the same results I'm just
05:30cutting you off rudely at this point
05:32that's finee I am I'm I am I am the I'm
05:36proficient in cutting off people so I I
05:38empathize do as do as they do so the
05:41first study they essentially took a
05:43bunch of as they described it blood
05:46soaked monkeys I'm sorry I'm really
05:48going to shut up soon lightly trained
05:51individuals sweet exact word was that
05:54they were they didn't say untrained but
05:57they said they had dabbled little
05:59training experience yeah that's when the
06:01the guy at the study asks you like have
06:02you trained and you're like all right
06:04you're in I'll let you gu if you were
06:06like no they're like nah I'll let you
06:07guess what their um mean bench press one
06:10repetition maximum strength was in
06:15kilos males mostly uh around 28 years
06:2028 uh do you want me to take a real
06:22guess or be a piece of shit about it be
06:24whatever you like same it's the same
06:30115 pounds maybe 57 kilos or something
06:34so their mean benchers 1 RM before they
06:36started the study was 80 lbs around 30
06:4030 kilos so we're talking about very
06:43dabbled very not trained not trained
06:46individuals essentially for eight weeks
06:48uh one group did took a placebo the
06:50other group took ashwagandha and over
06:53eight weeks both groups made amazing
06:55strength and hypertrophy gains and both
06:58groups started a relatively High natural
07:02testosterone and the group that took
07:04Asanda saw a 14% higher increase 14% yes
07:09which in the grand scheme of serum
07:11testosterone is just not a lot exactly
07:14so that would be the next point they
07:15were already they already had high
07:17testosterone they trained so they were
07:21engaging in resistance training which
07:23can have positive effects on
07:25testosterone and they saw they went from
07:28high to slightly higher so in terms of
07:31actual impact of the uh the the increase
07:33in testosterone in terms of long-term
07:36adaptations probably not a big deal we
07:39had another study in aging overweight
07:42males sorry pack really quick did one of
07:45the groups gain more muscle or more
07:47strength in that study group did yes
07:50more muscle and strength or just more
07:52muscle and more strength more okay so
07:53something happened something happened
07:55maybe maybe okay so we have that one
07:57study with all these caveats um
08:00this is not to knock the study but it
08:02was also funded by ashwaganda not big
08:04ashwaganda by a company that makes
08:05ashwaganda little ashwaganda yes little
08:08the other study was in overweight aging
08:11males 20% of them I'm over 40 and I'm
08:16overweight and male yeah I'm mail all
08:20right now that we're cancelled with Mr M
08:24here Dr ma um they took it was a similar
08:30setup in terms of um well not not a
08:32similar setup in terms of resistance
08:34training but they took ashwagandha and
08:36the other group took a placebo all right
08:39let's start with the caveat now actually
08:41results wise the group that took aanda
08:43surprisingly uh saw an increase in
08:46testosterone but they were 20% of them
08:51they were shift workers or Mine Workers
08:55fuck we don't even have that in the
08:57modern world much anymore they have
09:00mine not minded workers mine okay so
09:03they're not Professor X or something no
09:04Professor X and ashwaganda the the
09:07exercise was not controlled nothing was
09:09controlled outside outside of the study
09:11here's a pill see you tomorrow
09:13testosterone was assessed by saliva
09:16which was self-collected by the
09:18participants themselves we just throw
09:19that right out at home and they also saw
09:22an increase that still landed them in
09:26the normal sort of testosterone range it
09:29didn't it's not like they went from you
09:30know low to high and that was it and a
09:33more recent 2022 study um third study
09:36third study that was published again you
09:39had um you had males who took ashwaganda
09:42or Placebo for eight weeks and similarly
09:46um just saw an increase in testosterone
09:50total testosterone H where they went
09:53from normal to slightly higher normal
09:57testosterone so again as far as muscle
09:59growth goes not an increase that would
10:02probably lead to you going from oh
10:06average individual to all of a sudden
10:07now you're packing on muscle because
10:09your testosterone is slightly higher
10:11potentially because of aswagandha and so
10:13on and so forth the mechanisms be behind
10:15the potential increase of testosterone
10:18because of as taking Asanda some people
10:21have tried to draw inferences with the
10:23anxiolytic effects that it has but as it
10:26stands the current totality of
10:30hints that maybe there's something there
10:34but not really anything for you to be
10:36you know buy as for tester and purposes
10:40so my interpretation of that that was
10:42great my interpretation of that is
10:45ashwagandha is a promising new
10:48supplement new as measured by how much
10:50literature we have on it it shows uh
10:53potential to reliably increase your
10:55testosterone by small
10:57margins and even though it's not going
11:00to result almost certainly in radically
11:02different muscle gains or radically
11:05different abilities or perceptions or
11:08else for now we might tell people look
11:11if it's cheap and if you want to try it
11:14during a phase of training where you
11:15need a little bit of a
11:17boost probably no huge
11:20downsides and enough research
11:23tentatively to be worth trying thoughts
11:27I would I would I would say if you try
11:28as WR tried for its anxiolytic effects
11:31and overall Stress Management and if
11:34there's anything to be done if there's
11:37anything testosterone related there
11:38that's a bonus but again slight
11:41increases in testosterone while you are
11:43within the normal range of testosterone
11:45and testosterone can be affected by a
11:47plethora of different variables I don't
11:49think those would mean much sure so take
11:52a Randa because it has been shown to
11:54allow you to manage stress better and
11:57maybe manage cortisol better and if if
11:59there's anything to be seen from a
12:02testosterone side of point of view good
12:05there is some evidence on sexual on
12:07libido and there were some
12:09questionnaires that were included in
12:10those studies where essentially they
12:12assessed libido and what's the word
12:15sexual drive drive yeah there you go sex
12:17drive there was an increase there as
12:19well there was yeah so maybe there is
12:21that as a bonus but still very very very
12:25early stages a lot of caveats a lot of
12:27limitations but and if you feel like you
12:29have low testosterone ashwag Ganda is
12:32not the should be your you know solution
12:35not a rank one modality yep Milo what
12:40us I have two I will hit us
12:44with tonat Ali first I always thought
12:48that was a nickname Muhammad Ali had I
12:49didn't hear about that would be much
12:51cooler than the truth oh shit so kind of
12:54talking about ashwagandha tonali a lot
12:57of the other supplements that are
12:58sometimes recommended on social media
13:00for testosterone boosting there have
13:02been several systematic reviews and met
13:04analyses over these past couple of years
13:07trying to summarize literature on
13:10testosterone boosters for athletes or
13:13for people who are Physically Active
13:14already who are kind of already doing a
13:16lot of things that might predispose you
13:19to having a decent amount of
13:22naturally broadly speaking no single
13:25testosterone booster currently has
13:27enough evidence to really support its
13:30athletes when you zoom out and you look
13:32at the data on ashwaganda or on tonat
13:34Ali or on shilajit or anything else most
13:37of these studies tend to be
13:39in males aging males often hypogenic
13:43males often in the absence of any
13:47activity which makes generalizability
13:50from those studies to the people who are
13:52most likely to actually use these
13:53supplements a bit tricky specifically
13:56when it comes to tonat Ali and to
14:00there's a few considerations you must
14:02consider before you can actually assess
14:05its efficacy first does it actually
14:08testosterone there is a distinction to
14:10be made between increasing total
14:12testosterone serum total testosterone
14:15and increasing the testosterone we quote
14:17unquote care about which is more so free
14:20testosterone or the one that will
14:21actually have physiological
14:24ramifications com binds to stuff correct
14:26that tells muscle growth to activate
14:28versus just sitting in a pro shell in
14:29the blood throwing the middle finger to
14:30the world basically yes to keep it
14:32simple most of these studies don't
14:34measure free testosterone very few
14:36actually do typically they measure total
14:39testosterone then the second
14:40consideration is are you just after
14:42boosting testosterone or are you after
14:45what that would presumably result in
14:48yeah say both let's say both but I think
14:51specifically when we're talking about
14:51hypertrophy which is much of what this
14:53CH is about the data on hypertrophy is
14:56even more sparse than on testosterone
14:58and a small increase as Pat just
15:00mentioned in testosterone for mashanda
15:02for example wouldn't necessarily mean an
15:05increase in like an appreciable increase
15:06in hypertrophy especially if it's a
15:08small increase I mean it might be like
15:09half a pound of muscle over the course
15:11of their whole life correct correct so
15:14first Toni we have a systematic review
15:16on specifically tonat Al for
15:18testosterone from liong all from
15:212022 broadly speaking there's around
15:23five or 10 studies as I mentioned many
15:25of them are in aging males hypogenetic
15:27physically inactive rest of what we have
15:29so far pretty much the most positive
15:32results seem to be in the populations
15:36that we would probably be speaking to
15:37the least which is to say people with
15:40hypogonadism aging males and physically
15:43inactive aging males 60 and above 50 60
15:46there above yeah okay generally the
15:48studies that find an effect even when
15:50they're in quotequote healthy
15:51populations have starting testosterone
15:54levels that are very much at the bottom
15:56of the physiological range it's unclear
15:59whether for example tonat Ali would
16:01result in meaningful improvements in
16:03testosterone levels in someone who
16:04already has decent testosterone levels
16:06to begin with with that being said from
16:09what I could tell tonat Ali has a bit
16:10more promised than most of the other
16:12supplements on the market there's
16:15basically next to no research still in a
16:17trained population and the one study I
16:20deemed to be of the highest quality was
16:22published only a few months ago by Jose
16:24Antonio I know who that is yeah she did
16:26a study on to very recently in a train
16:29population they had been conducting
16:30resistance training and or endurance
16:32training for about 10 to 20 years on
16:34average and they measured free
16:37testosterone total testosterone they
16:40measured hypertrophy and strength gains
16:42from an actual lifting program that both
16:43groups both the group taking a placebo
16:45treatment and the group taking tonat Ali
16:47were engaging in broadly speaking there
16:52differences and with that being fuck
16:54arguably one of the in my opinion the
16:57highest quality study on the topic with
16:59the population being studied being the
17:00most relevant one I can say I recommend
17:03talk yet at least for the population of
17:05lifters who are Physically Active
17:06anyways and who are doing a lot of
17:07things that you need to do if you want
17:09to have decent testosterone levels
17:10overall that's not to say that it
17:12couldn't be a good like and this is not
17:13medical advice whatsoever but it could
17:15potentially in the future medical advice
17:17this is medical advice this is not
17:18MediCal ADV this is definitely medical
17:20advice it's say kiding I mean we're
17:23doctors for sure medical though um
17:27that's what they say in the future Tonka
17:29couldn't become a supplement worth
17:30taking especially in the context of
17:33older males with hypogonadism but for
17:35lifting currently with the stud by Jose
17:37Antonio I mentioned I wouldn't
17:39necessarily jump the gun got
17:41it what's your second one my second one
17:44is even better than the first one cuz
17:45cool ashwagandha cool supplement to take
17:47overall maybe not the best for and the
17:50best part about ashwagandha is if you're
17:51trying to get hippie bitches in bed with
17:53you you tell them you're taking Ash like
17:54oh my God this like so earthy and like
17:56spiritual like yeah you want to you know
17:58what I'm saying she's like yeah totally
18:00and then you're hitting it classic
18:02pickup it's too easy have you the club
18:05sh have you read the latest men on 600
18:08milligram but she's not like doing one
18:10of these she's like tell me Tell showing
18:12the PDF on the like can you see here the
18:15figure you're drawing ashwaganda
18:16molecule but it's got like a third eye
18:18in it she's like I knew it the universe
18:20knows one one one one um another suban
18:25that you often hear in the circles of
18:27like okay we're pseudo diving and we're
18:29going to boost our testosterone besides
18:31doing the most basic things or even
18:32taking testosterone directly is fedia
18:36agrestis I don't want to say that word
18:38too much because I always pronounce it
18:39in a way that seems offensive to me yeah
18:43like agus it sounds like a these nuts
18:47joke yes those you agrest is my balls
18:50yeah or aestus is someone they keep in a
18:52cage on a Roman Battlefield until the
18:54battle starts not going well they
18:55release him he kills a couple of the
18:57centurions but then gets to the eneme
18:59eventually yeah F do
19:01Aus so shrub from I mean depending on
19:07where you look at some sources say
19:09Nigeria primarily but again shrub and
19:13known for its aphrodisia
19:15effects hell yeah I don't give a shit
19:18what else it does now as far as studies
19:20go how many studies do you think we have
19:25humans uh three we have zero zero this
19:29is really evidence based there is one in
19:32rodents that showed almost like a dose
19:35response relationship between like how
19:37how many milligrams of do Gres they were
19:39taking per kilogram of body weight or
19:43gram of body weight and that showed a
19:45promising effect they saw a substantial
19:47increase in testosterone but that is
19:49literally it as far as dose and
19:54Effectiveness in humans no idea as far
19:56as toxicity no idea and potential
20:00long-term effects and muscle growth
20:03absolutely no idea so not only are you
20:07you have no idea whether you're actually
20:09getting a boost in testosterone you may
20:12also be looking at side effects toxicity
20:15and all sorts of issues for a tradeoff
20:19that you don't really know that exists
20:22you know it's not like they said yeah in
20:23humans it can fuck you up if you take it
20:25for long but you're getting testosterone
20:27boosting proper that will definitely
20:29impact massive growth at best something
20:34somebody who is like ah wants to take
20:37risks and is a bit more YOLO but then in
20:39that case there's other things to do
20:41with testosterone that are proven to
20:44actually and our risks for sure risks
20:46and you know the risks though as well
20:48definitely that was shorten to the point
20:52what's the last one listen Mike if all
20:55these supplements didn't get you laid
20:57yet and you still Ching up that girl at
20:59the club Sheila Jeet will get you it's
21:02an exudate from the Himalayan Mountains
21:05oh hell yeah you go all the way up the
21:07mountains you check the Rocks Sheila is
21:10what comes out of those exudate it's
21:12called very fancy stuff and then you
21:15purify that and that's made by the
21:18company that funded the only trial on
21:21Shila for testost sounds good to me
21:23purified chiled extract okay even sounds
21:26exotic it is so exotic
21:29there's only one study on it in humans
21:31and there's a study by Pandit and
21:33colleagues from a few years ago they
21:35compared in a randomized placebo
21:38controlled trial they compare taking a
21:40placebo treatment and taking this she
21:42purified extract uh taking 250
21:45milligrams twice a day now the results
21:49appear promising at first but there's a
21:51few sort of caveats or reasons to kind
21:53of raise an eyebrow a little bit for one
21:54it's a single study and I think in
21:56general with the supplement research
21:58especially with testosterone boosters
22:00there's a few things there's been cases
22:03in the past like diasporic acid where
22:06even though the literature appeals very
22:07compelling first with more studies
22:09typically you find out the effect is
22:11either much smaller than you thought or
22:13not even there so when in science it's a
22:15huge thing and there's something called
22:17also small study effects which basically
22:19also with smaller sample sizes typically
22:21you have an inflation of the estimated
22:23effect size yeah and also the infl the
22:25probability of air just goes up lot of
22:28course it's a big deal in general super
22:30quick like it's um when people say like
22:32hey did you see that new study I'm like
22:34nope don't care I need five studies then
22:36we're talking ah it's an exaggeration
22:39but especially one study or just a few
22:42let's see how that goes because a lot of
22:43times things start off hot and then they
22:46for sure and especially in the case of
22:47these studies where we're talking about
22:49often company funded studies I'm not
22:51throwing out accusations of buyers with
22:53every single study here but that is kind
22:54of the standard here the standard is
22:56company makes supplement funds study to
22:58investigate its efficacy and you can't
23:01fully control for bias sure anyways the
23:05only study on shil by Panet and
23:07colleagues compared two times 250 migs
23:09of sh per day to just Placebo um
23:13treatment they measured testosterone
23:15both free testosterone and total
23:17testosterone at Baseline after 30 days
23:20after 60 days and after 90 days in sort
23:22of middle-aged males with pretty normal
23:25testosterone to begin with and their
23:28results were a bit all over the place so
23:31at the end of the 90-day period when you
23:33just compare Day Z to day 90 so after 3
23:35months supplementation there was an
23:37increase in both Total and free
23:39testosterone in the Sheil G group
23:41roughly how much of an increase about
23:43like a 20% increase okay so similar Tosh
23:45we gone correct the issue there
23:49is the placebo group started off with
23:52higher testosterone and actually lost
23:5420% throughout the study which doesn't
23:56really make a ton of sense obviously
23:58there's going to be variance in your
23:59testosterone levels day to-day Etc but
24:01the opposite was true for the group they
24:03started off quite a bit lower and then
24:05end up quite a bit higher similarly the
24:08temporality of the effect doesn't really
24:10check out if you compare day Zero to day
24:1230 and day 30 to day 60 the effects are
24:15kind of all over place okay yeah such
24:17that in the treatment group shit group
24:20their testosterone their free
24:21testosterone especially actually Dro
24:22piously from day 0 to 30 and 30 to 60
24:26and then all of a sudden from 60 to 90
24:28Spike up tremendously H and these odd
24:31effects that doesn't make any sense
24:33biologically it's just um put it in a in
24:36a way that makes sense to
24:38me in a physiologically informed
24:40scientific perspective you almost never
24:43see that and it's that just we don't
24:45know what happens in the body we almost
24:46never see it generally things take large
24:49effects early take incrementally higher
24:51but marginal effects later and then
24:53stabilize and then recede maybe but it
24:57sure shit do one of these things it
24:59doesn't go down prly and then all of a
25:01sudden up in 30 days at the end that's
25:03tough and so the between group
25:05differences I'm pretty skeptical of
25:07there's something called The Bradford
25:08Hill Criterion sence which are
25:10essentially a list of criteria you can
25:12assess an association through to see
25:15whether or not it's likely to be a cause
25:17of relationship or whether
25:18supplementation in this case truly did
25:20lead to an increase in testosterone one
25:22of those things is temporality generally
25:25the cause will precede the effect right
25:28there will be a decent time gap between
25:29the two and generally there's going to
25:31be some sort of relationship that is at
25:33least close to linear you don't expect a
25:36strong decrease followed by a strong
25:38increase unless you have a strong clue
25:41as to what the mechanism of action would
25:43be and why that would happen that should
25:45make you raise an iow yes so sheit one
25:48studying humans although their positive
25:51results funded by a supplement company
25:54manufacturing the supplement and very
25:58odd results curious results
26:03correct let's take a look at on the net
26:06balance what's going on and then try to
26:08give some helpful tips to
26:11folks if you are trying to get big
26:15results dare I say tick tock sarm esque
26:20results you're just not likely to find
26:23them in any of these
26:25supplements in a way that you can barely
26:27tell on testosterone and I'm getting
26:31jacked because the effect sizes even
26:33when they're Illustrated in the studies
26:35that have them are just
26:37small the second thing I'm getting out
26:42is the literature for most of these is
26:46expansive that even when we have
26:48confirming literature it could just be
26:50all early shit that never pans out so we
26:53can't get too excited even about the
26:55already not exciting effects
27:00is when you look into the literature
27:03because there's two ways to look at
27:04studies one is you look at each study as
27:07just look at the results the better way
27:09is to look at each study from the
27:11perspective of methodological strength
27:13some studies are better than others if
27:15you have a study at comparing two people
27:18versus one comparing two groups of a
27:19thousand people raise their whole lives
27:22one study is way better than the other
27:24that's what we're seeing is most of the
27:26most impressive results
27:29are occurring in the studies that have
27:35airtightness and very high quality
27:39research com compared across multiple
27:42Labs multiple modalities and especially
27:46populations is just basically absent at
27:49point now absence of evidence is not
27:52evidence of absence of
27:54course but if I had to build my Steelman
27:59supplements I would say ashwagandha and
28:04Ali you can experiment with them at
28:06their normal therapeutic
28:08dosages and you might have an experience
28:12which can be ascribed as marginally
28:15beneficial and that would be potentially
28:19people that's probably the most steel
28:24do did I say anything wrong in any of
28:26that no I think it's important to
28:29highlight what Milo mentioned before
28:31that the person watching this is
28:34interested in gaining more muscle over
28:36the long term and as far as evidence for
28:38that goes there's none so and the most
28:42compelling evidence tends to be in those
28:44aging males older males who are not
28:46necessarily Physically Active
28:49sure look if you're willing to
28:51experiment you can take tonali you can
28:53take ashanda MH the other two maybe even
28:56too early to take way too
28:59bone um I don't know that I Rec them to
29:03lifters I think if you within
29:05demographics where the effects are more
29:07consistent I would consider it but if
29:09you're hypogonadic anyways I would see a
29:12medical professional not Sport Science
29:17sure for people who are already jacked
29:21eat well sleep well well on their
29:24way if someone tells you hey um does
29:28ashwaganda work to boost testosterone
29:32them not in any way that excites you
29:36yeah for for the context that they've
29:38said I would say no because what their
29:40context is will I take this and mass and
29:44see potentially in their head super
29:46physiological responses in testost
29:48changes in testosterone that will result
29:50in Faster gains cuz that's the end
29:52outcome they're not like oh if I went to
29:54a lab and measured it would the number
29:56look slightly higher right
29:59Real Results of getting more jacked more
30:01lean getting your dick a little harder
30:02or shit like that I would say though
30:03with Asanda and that's indirectly that
30:06hey if you have a lot of stress and
30:08anxiety that may ASR may help you manage
30:11Stress and Anxiety better which
30:13indirectly may allow you to train harder
30:15recover better so in that case I would
30:17recommend as oranda for people that have
30:19a high stress lifestyle potentially you
30:21know anxiety so on and so forth but if
30:24we're trying to boost testosterone in a
30:25way that's meaningfully gonna make get
30:26us more jacked and liver King red skin
30:30color these herbs ain't it probably
30:35money sleep sleep lift manast stress eat
30:40well eat well eat whole food healthy
30:43don't go too low on any macronutrient
30:45that's a really good way to sink your
30:46testosterone cut your protein or fats or
30:48carbs by a lot so eat and balance and um
30:52look at adult uh pictures and videos
30:55often because that definitely boost your
30:56testosterone for sure I'm sort of
30:59kidding and smoking smoking is really
31:01good for you smoking cigarettes is good
31:03for you I like the smoke them harmonica
31:05style where I just like the whole pack
31:06and very French do you like smoking
31:08smoke this whole pack of cigarettes
31:10common misconception though Greek people
31:12smoke more than French people yeah yeah
31:14I I didn't think it was a misconception
31:15we we freak it over there we're
31:18harassing It the French can smoke a
31:21cigarette in a way that makes them look
31:24like they care the least about life
31:29they're they kind of even want to look
31:31at it like ah what is this if I lived in
31:33Paris show me you would Paris have you
31:36seen the people sometimes a lot to
31:39ignore but the Greeks do it better of
31:42course U because they will have their
31:44Greek breakfast the testosterone boost
31:47premium that's the only thing that
31:48what's what's a what's a Greek breakfast
31:50s this point of the of the program is
31:53actual things that really boost your T
31:55now it's the real signs Greek breakfast
31:57instant C easy maor red that's 200% test
32:02civilization good who's more manly than
32:05that nothing I mean you blast that
32:07cigarette first in the morning before
32:08you've even brushed your teeth your
32:10body's like that's a man if I've ever
32:12seen one beep beep testosterone
32:16Gamers everything everything's happening
32:18clean your room clean your room but
32:21you're ashing cigarettes all over your
32:22bed who cares you pour black coffee on
32:24the shit that is I was waiting for more
32:27but the black coffee and cigarette is a
32:29Greek breakfast it is yeah that was it
32:32you got anything where are you from
32:33Belgium or some shit like that yeah man
32:38chocolate ambiguous is what I call
32:42it folks if you're ethically ambiguous
32:45get some way to describe yourself that
32:48unique if you're Packer Milo don't
32:51follow yourselves but if you're not
32:53Packer Milo give these guys a follow
32:54they're on all the socials all the
32:56YouTubes do we miss anything do you guys
32:58have any public service announcements
32:59for the world about testosterone
33:02and yeah be adopter I think with the
33:05quality of these studies we're often
33:07talking about lower quality studies if
33:10when it comes to lifting right you're
33:12waiting for three to five studies to
33:13pile up before you start adopting it
33:15yeah lengthen training for example yes
33:18wait for more than that when it comes to
33:19supplement research I would say and look
33:21for the outcomes you're actually
33:23interested in yeah if you're hoping
33:24it'll boost your muscle growth look for
33:25studies that actually look at muscle
33:26growth so be a adopter don't fall for
33:29the hmb or deor sporic acid I took hmb
33:32it did nothing I took there you go and
33:35now you're taking actual test where are
33:38II last thing sorry last announcement
33:432024 if there's anything that will
33:45reliably boost your testosterone and
33:47your gains you will find out about it by
33:50all of us so for sure there is no hidden
33:54supplement that we have we are all deep
33:56diving there's of science communicators
33:58out there if the next biggest thing is
34:01out there and keep in mind we've been
34:02rambling about creatine for how many
34:04years cuz it works cuz it works but it
34:06works like it gives you that extra boost
34:08you will hear about it
34:11so tune in next time we will have real
34:13testosterone boosters that work see you
