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Geoffrey Hinton in conversation with Fei-Fei Li — Responsible AI development

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The video features discussions on AI and deep learning innovations led by Geoffrey Hinton and Fei-Fei Li, highlighting the University of Toronto's leadership in AI research. Fei-Fei Li's role in creating the groundbreaking ImageNet dataset and the shift in attitudes towards neural networks post-competition are explored. The conversation delves into the transformative impact of transformers in natural language processing and the ethical considerations surrounding AI technology. The segment concludes with a focus on addressing catastrophic AI risks and the need for responsible AI frameworks across sectors to ensure equitable benefits and mitigate societal challenges.

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Discussion on AI Innovation at MaRS Discovery District.
00:53
Geoffrey Hinton and Fei-Fei Li, pioneers in deep learning, participate in the event at the University of Toronto.
Professor Hinton's work at the University of Toronto has been instrumental in driving AI innovation.
The new Schwartz Reisman Innovation campus will advance AI research and innovation.
Concerns exist about the societal impact of AI and machine learning advancements.
Introduction of Jordan Jacobs as the moderator for an AI masterclass event.
03:29
Jordan Jacobs co-founded Layer 6 AI, acquired by TD Bank Group, and contributed to the Vector Institute.
The event, in partnership with the Vector Institute, included prominent figures Geoff Hinton and Fei-Fei Li.
Geoff Hinton, the Godfather of AI, has had a significant impact on the global field of AI.
Fei-Fei Li, founding Director of the Stanford Institute for Human-Centered AI, is a respected figure in the AI community.
Fei-Fei Li's pivotal role in creating the ImageNet data set that revolutionized AI technology in 2012.
08:38
Despite challenges and skepticism, she spent three years building the data set with her graduate students.
Her efforts were essential in advancing AI technology and paving the way for deep learning.
Geoff Hinton acknowledges her significant contribution and emphasizes the importance of big data in training neural networks.
Fei-Fei's book, 'The Worlds I See,' discusses the potential and risks of AI technology and calls for collective responsibility in this crucial moment in history.
Fei-Fei Li's creation of ImageNet in 2009 revolutionized machine learning with a curated dataset of 15 million images across 22,000 object categories.
10:32
Li emphasized redefining machine learning from a data-driven perspective to address the generalization problem.
The goal of ImageNet was to drive advancements in visual intelligence, specifically in object recognition.
Li's innovative approach challenged traditional models and set a new standard for the field of machine learning.
The creation of the ImageNet competition to address limitations in open source data for object recognition.
13:27
Introduction of a smaller ImageNet challenge data set with 1 million images across 1000 categories in 2010.
Involvement of researchers like Ilya Sutskever and Alex Krizhevsky in preparing data for the competition.
Success in the ImageNet competition using deep neural networks for speech recognition.
Proving neural networks' effectiveness through winning the competition and gaining support from the Computer Vision community.
Success in competition led to increased interest and excitement.
18:11
Results announced at conference in Italy, prompting speaker to attend despite initial hesitation.
Significance of convolutional neural networks and historical importance of event highlighted.
Importance of being present emphasized despite challenging journey.
Mention of colleague who ignored advice and presence of Yann LeCun at event discussed.
Geoff Hinton's motivation for entering AI and his focus on understanding the brain to bridge data and task competence.
21:35
Hinton stresses the importance of creating models that imitate brain functionality effectively.
Contrasts his approach with those relying solely on empirical data and theory.
He starts with what works and iteratively enhances it to resemble brain processes.
Hinton's emphasis on bridging the gap between data and task performance sets his work apart in AI research.
Importance of bridging the gap between computer vision and neuroscience.
22:51
Fei-Fei Li's journey from China to the US, driven by passion for physics and audacious questions in science.
Geoff Hinton's pursuit of dual PhDs in neuroscience and AI to understand intelligence.
Emphasis on interdisciplinary collaboration for advancing research and innovation.
Discussion on Computational Neuroscience and Mimicking the Human Brain.
26:13
Significance of ImageNet 2012 event in AI field leading to big tech companies investing in AI talent.
Democratization of AI through experiences like ChatGPT, highlighting a shift in AI accessibility and usage.
Universities' slow adoption of AI, with examples from MIT and Berkeley.
Influence of ImageNet moment on stance towards neural networks.
Shift in Attitudes Towards Neural Nets in Computer Vision.
30:00
Initially, experts in Computer Vision were opposed to neural nets, with journals even refusing to review papers on the topic.
Attitudes changed after the ImageNet competition, with skeptics embracing neural nets within a year.
Empirical evidence showcased the effectiveness of neural nets in image labeling tasks, leading to a significant decrease in error rates over time.
More powerful neural nets have continued to enhance performance beyond 2015.
Breakthroughs in AI Technology
33:20
Transformer paper, written at Google with Canadian co-authors, was a significant development in natural language processing.
It took time for the importance of transformers to be fully realized, especially with the success of BERT.
The conversation also discusses the use of GPUs in neural architecture search to automate testing different architectures for optimal performance.
Impact of transformers on neural nets and investment in companies using transformers.
34:55
Anticipation of technology's adoption beyond Google and its integration into global software.
Investment decision made five years before ChatGPT's release, highlighting predictive accuracy.
Personal growth from scientist to humanist during transformative 10-year period in tech and society.
Reflection on societal implications of technology post AlphaGo and AlphaFold moments.
38:36
Issues of bias, privacy, disinformation, and misinformation were highlighted, leading to personal anxiety.
Decision between staying at Google or returning to Stanford to start a human-centered AI institute.
Shift towards algorithm-driven technology impacting elections and daily life.
Emphasis on understanding the human side of technology and prioritizing human-centered AI research at Stanford.
Successful integration of speech recognition technology by Google after being rejected by Blackberry.
41:45
Impressive results showcased in speech recognition, leading to Google's adoption of neural net technology.
Highlighted potential for neural networks in various applications, including speech and vision recognition.
Emphasized significance of developments and missed opportunity for Canadian industry.
Discussion on advancements in transformer technology by Google and OpenAI, focusing on artificial general intelligence (AGI) and transformative impact on language understanding.
The impact of foundation models like GPT on natural language processing.
45:35
Foundation models provide generalizability across multiple tasks without task-specific training.
These models are pretrained with large datasets to achieve high performance, challenging the need for extensive training data for neural nets.
Foundation models excel in machine translation, conversation, summarization, and more, showcasing versatility in various domains.
The efficiency of humans in learning complex tasks with minimal data compared to neural nets is highlighted.
Few-shot learning involves using a neural net trained on various data to efficiently learn new tasks with minimal data.
47:20
This approach challenges the notion of innate knowledge superiority over data-driven learning.
Pre-training models without innate knowledge but with experience can efficiently adapt to new tasks with minimal data.
ChatGPT, a product based on this approach, has garnered excitement, with users experiencing seemingly magical results.
The speaker highlights the evolving nature of AI, where once unattainable tasks become commonplace, constantly shifting the perception of what constitutes true AI.
Advancements in AI Technology and Future of Comedy.
50:10
GPT-2, GPT-4, GPT-3.5, and PaLM are mentioned for their ability to explain jokes but struggle to tell them due to generating text one word at a time.
Doubts are raised on whether AI can become comedians as the conversation shifts to the future of comedy.
The speaker highlights the power of data and emphasizes the importance of human-centered AI in the public awakening to AI technology.
Gratitude is expressed for investing in human-centered AI and building bridges with policymakers and civil society.
Discussion on the national AI research cloud bill in Congress and societal impact of AI technology.
52:37
Emphasis on the importance of responsibility for technologists and humanists in navigating opportunities and negative consequences of AI.
Power of data in AI development highlighted, enabling models to learn from vast amounts of data.
Comparison drawn between AI models' data processing capabilities and human education, with a humorous exchange on education and sarcasm.
Explanation on knowledge exchange through neural net architectures for mutual learning.
The impact of AI models with trillions of parameters on sharing knowledge beyond human capabilities.
57:17
Emphasis on the complex relationship between technology and humanity, highlighting the need for collective will in shaping the future.
Urgency of responsibility as a driving force for purposeful action rather than naive optimism.
Hope found in the younger generation's focus on ethics, policy, privacy, and bias, indicating a potential for humanity to address challenges posed by advancing technology.
Risks associated with AI and potential job displacement and wealth inequality.
01:00:54
Concerns raised about impact on employment and need to address growing underclass of unemployed individuals.
Emphasis on importance of ensuring benefits of increased AI productivity are shared equitably.
Mention of potential for rich-poor wealth disparity to worsen with AI advancements.
Recognition that basic income may not fully address loss of human dignity tied to job loss, and acknowledgment of desire for meaningful work among individuals, including academics.
Risks of developing battle robots and advanced artificial intelligence.
01:02:03
Concerns about AI surpassing human intelligence and taking control, posing an existential threat.
Importance of preventing advanced intelligences from seeking control emphasized.
Immortality of digital intelligence highlighted as a unique aspect.
Elon Musk's perspective on humans as creators of a future intelligent form mentioned.
Elon Musk emphasizes the importance of humans in shaping the future and the various concerns facing society.
01:04:18
The conversation covers categories such as economy, labor, disinformation, weaponization, and the extinction of Greek gods.
Urgency in addressing catastrophic risks, especially in the extinction bucket, is highlighted.
Collaboration, guardrails, and careful consideration of technology's impact on society are essential.
International partnerships and treaties are crucial in addressing weaponization and mitigating risks.
Importance of Addressing AI Safety Concerns
01:08:35
Emphasis on policy, job creation, and human dignity in the AI debate, advocating for a shift towards a 'dignity economy'.
Role of AI in human augmentation, particularly in healthcare, and its potential impact on blue-collar labor.
Concerns raised about power imbalances in AI development, specifically in neglecting the public sector, and the need for investments in public sector AI initiatives to prevent failing future generations.
Emphasis on addressing catastrophic risks and collaborating with policymakers and civil society.
01:11:36
Shift in attention towards catastrophic risks by key researchers and governments.
Urgency of addressing catastrophic risks by 2024.
Importance of balanced approach between regulation and incentivization in sectors like agriculture and education.
Unlocking government data and careful regulation in technology development as crucial steps towards addressing challenges effectively.
Potential Impact of Emerging Technology in Various Fields
01:15:16
The technology discussed is expected to revolutionize healthcare, combat climate change, and advance materials science.
Optimism and Encouragement for Embracing Ambitious Challenges
Speakers express optimism for positive impacts and encourage individuals to tackle ambitious challenges.
Unprecedented Opportunities for Advancements in Science
The segment emphasizes the opportunities to solve longstanding issues and push the boundaries of science.
Potential challenges of overusing AI technology in education.
01:19:34
Concerns about the impact on students' skill development, critical thinking, and creativity if they rely too heavily on AI for tasks like writing or problem-solving.
Comparison to the introduction of pocket calculators, but AI's potential to surpass human capabilities raises questions about long-term consequences on learning and cognitive abilities.
Technology like ChatGPT has revolutionized information-seeking methods compared to traditional ways like visiting the library.
01:21:17
ChatGPT was used in a scenario involving college admissions, showcasing the importance of adapting education to include such tools.
The speaker's 11-year-old son proposed admitting students based on their proficiency in using ChatGPT, highlighting its educational potential.
Embracing technology in education is crucial, teaching students how to effectively utilize tools like ChatGPT for their advantage.
Importance of real-time performance in model training and the future of expert foundation models.
01:25:42
Consideration of performance, inference, and device compatibility in research is crucial.
Student inquiry about pursuing academia or industry careers, seeking advice on PhD or master's programs.
Professors discuss interest in brain functionality and memories, emphasizing the impact of curiosity and personal experiences on research paths.
Importance of passion and conviction in pursuing a career.
01:27:39
Emphasis on ambition, desire to make a change, and strong technical background over test scores.
Value placed on track record of unique journeys and surprising experiences highlighted in a recommended book.
Significance of benchmarks in evaluating models and challenges in assessing generalist agents.
Audience question raised about evaluation of benchmarks in AI technology.
Evaluation of future language models like GPT-5, GPT-6, GPT-7.
01:30:19
Importance of a comprehensive benchmark for assessing Large Language Models (LLMs) or generalist agents.
Reference to GPT-4 and the challenge of determining its true understanding of context.
Example of GPT-4 providing a solution to a question about painting rooms.
Sensitivity of models to specific wording choices, demonstrated with 'fade' versus 'change' resulting in different outcomes.
Capabilities of GPT-4 in understanding complex questions and reasoning.
01:33:21
Chatbot question that most fail to answer correctly.
Discussion on the Turing test for intelligence and evolving standards for assessing AI models' fundamental intelligence level.
Mention of evaluation metrics, messy benchmarks, and the need to benchmark against societally relevant issues.
Emphasis on the future of AI technology and the lack of benchmarks for new advancements.
Funding challenge for training foundation models in AI and agriculture at universities.
01:37:39
Suggested solution of starting a startup and utilizing open source models for fine-tuning with fewer resources.
Emphasis on the importance of national research clouds and public sector involvement for accessing unique data sets.
Opportunities through collaboration with government agencies and communities.
Recommendation to focus on open source models and leverage public sector trust for data access and collaboration.
Importance of building a responsible AI framework.
01:40:11
Emphasizes the need for companies to develop a value framework aligned with their beliefs and treat AI products as systems.
Highlights the significance of partnerships with stakeholders like academia and civil society to address concerns such as privacy and bias.
Mentions Radical's initiative to include responsible AI adoption in every term sheet.
Radical is working on a responsible AI investing framework for broad release in collaboration with global organizations.
Importance of Collaboration Between Sectors for Societal Benefit
01:44:40
Emphasizes the need for partnerships over public sector investment for societal progress.
Focuses on creating an industry ecosystem at Stanford HAI to facilitate collaboration.
Highlights the benefits of industry collaboration for innovation and progress.
Suggests providing resources to foster mutually beneficial relationships with talented organizations.
Embracing higher education responsibly and fostering partnerships within the ecosystem is crucial.
01:46:37
Gratitude is expressed towards participants for engaging in a profound conversation, particularly on the threats of super intelligence.
The conversation is deemed unparalleled and timely, focusing on understanding complex issues.
Experts in human-centered AI, Fei-Fei and Geoff, are highlighted for their significant contributions.
The event concludes with appreciation towards the audience and partners, inviting attendees to socialize over refreshments.