00:00all right Alexander Let's uh talk about
00:02Putin's state of the nation address and
00:07it was a long one I think it was the
00:09longest address that he has ever made
00:12two hours and like 20 minutes uh focused
00:15mostly on domestic issues but he also
00:22um foreign uh foreign affairs and policy
00:26and and multi-polar world and and all of
00:29the these things which I'm sure we're
00:31going to actually talk about more in
00:33this video but uh let's uh let's talk
00:37about what Putin said and how the
00:40collective West is reacting to what
00:43Putin has said at the state of the
00:47address Le let's just begin briefly with
00:50one maybe not so briefly but anyway
00:52discuss the first the domestic points
00:55that he made because they were
00:56interesting actually and they were
00:59important and the the big takeaway I
01:00came away from it is that he's now
01:02confident that the situation in the
01:04Russian economy is stable that he's got
01:07a strong firm footing and he's therefore
01:10able to plan ahead and when I say he
01:13Putin I mean obviously the entirety of
01:16the Russian government so we we were
01:18looking at very very long-term plans
01:21reaching all the way up to
01:242030 um emphasis obviously in the
01:28reindustrialization um if fact in fact
01:31we've had some economic figures for
01:33what's been going on in January and it
01:36looks as if industrial manufacturing uh
01:39production the increase there uh is
01:42continuing I mean we we've not seen
01:46any significant fallback in the economy
01:49which many people thought it would there
01:51would be but overwhelmingly the emphasis
01:56was on um social ISS
02:03education and support for families and
02:08the last is really very important it
02:10devoted a huge section to this and when
02:13I say he was talking about families I
02:15mean there was a whole list of things
02:17that you know tax uh supports and uh
02:21Financial supports for families for
02:24young families for mothers sometimes
02:27specifically to try to um help families
02:30of more children to improve improve the
02:33the birth rate and the general
02:35demographic situation in Russia and um a
02:38point he did make and what he made two
02:41important points which again people are
02:43overlooking is that there was actually
02:45an increase of the birth rate in Russia
02:47some years ago um in the sort of middle
02:52period of Putin's time um and there's
02:56actually quite a large cohort of young
02:59people people now uh going through
03:03school and University and about to hit
03:06the um labor market so that provides a
03:11base for increasing the birth rate again
03:13that's one thing but of course he was
03:15also devoting an awful lot of time to
03:18their needs needs to increase and
03:20improve the educational system the
03:23science space and all those kind of
03:25things now a leader who talks in this
03:28way who who you know able to allocate
03:32assign funds who's confident that he can
03:36engage in this kind of long-term
03:39planning is confident that the economic
03:42situation in Russia is stable and that
03:46Russia has once and for all got through
03:49the problems of the sanctions war in
03:53fact my sense was that he was actually
03:55liberated that he's now able to do
03:58things in terms of economic and social
04:01planning which because of concerns about
04:04you know Market reactions and all that
04:06kind of thing from the West he wasn't
04:08able to do um up to now and it's
04:12important to say that you know for
04:16Russians this would have been the most
04:18interesting part of he speech because
04:21people who thinking of raising a family
04:23think people who thinking of going to to
04:25to University think people who are
04:28looking at the kind of career options
04:30that Russia can offer um they're they're
04:34they're going to be following this
04:35they're going to be looking at the tax
04:37breaks and the financial supports and
04:40they're going to be making those
04:41decisions but obviously for us most
04:45people around the world it was
04:47the big political strategic questions
04:51that are the most interesting and again
04:55the overwhelming sense I got from this
04:58speech is confidence he's confident that
05:01Russia is winning the war in Ukraine I
05:07clear he's confident increasingly
05:11confident about the growing strength of
05:14the Russian Armed Forces he talked about
05:17that at length and we are learning that
05:20not only is the military the you know
05:23the ground forces the Army that's
05:26getting stronger but the nuclear forces
05:31um you know nuclear submarine torpedo
05:35drone that's about to enter service now
05:39the nuclear powered cruise missile which
05:41is unlimited range is about to enter
05:44service as well so he's he's confident
05:47about the Strategic forces he's
05:49confident about the general situation
05:52there he's very confident about Russia's
05:56International position he feels that you
06:00um all the boxes have been takes take
06:03the Allies the friends of Russia China
06:06India all of those they're you know
06:09they're they're standing strong with
06:11Russia he's not worried about that so
06:14he's now talking he's now looking
06:17forward and the single most interesting
06:20point he made for me was that he said
06:25look we will negotiate with the West at
06:28some point but from now on what we want
06:33restructuring of the entire security
06:37architecture not just in Europe but
06:40Eurasia the whole Eurasian continent and
06:44that of course is something that the
06:46West will not tolerate but what he's
06:48basically saying is in any future
06:51negotiations arms control on strategic
06:55issues China and probably India and
07:00probably Iran will have to participate
07:02as well so it's no longer the West
07:05versus Russia it is the West versus the
07:10rest it's the whole Global majority
07:13expression he now also used remember we
07:16discussed it yesterday is the global
07:18majority is now starting to assert
07:20itself and there has to be a complete
07:24change in the way in which um um
07:27discussions on strategic questions take
07:31place from now now that is something the
07:34West is not prepared for um to use a
07:39expression we've used previously they
07:41will choke on it they will choke on the
07:44settlement whatever settlement is going
07:46to be on Ukraine but they will choke on
07:49even more on this question because of
07:51course if we do get uh agreements about
07:55the general situ the General Security
07:58situation across across the whole of
08:00Eurasia then that would
08:02be conclusive end to the unipolar moment
08:07and it would mean that we would have
08:09conclusively ented a a new world in
08:13which there's lots of different polls
08:16and not just one and where the West is
08:22preeminent yeah the the West will will
08:26accept this type of situation
08:30never never accept it at least not in it
08:33the West in its current state correct
08:35its current state will not will not
08:37accept this so you never know in in a
08:39year or in five years uh what not what
08:42could happen not in a not in a year and
08:45probably not in five years if I have to
08:47say I mean so long as we have the
08:50present generation of leaders and I
08:52don't just mean you know the people we
08:53were all talking about urula and Schultz
08:56and sunak and Biden and all those but I
08:58mean any any conceivable set of leaders
09:02that we can think of especially in
09:03Europe by the way they will not agree to
09:08is a shocking idea to them that they
09:11should be talking strategic issues
09:13security issues for Europe ultimately
09:16with say India or Iran I mean that they
09:20won't be able to compute that in 10
09:25different yeah just just the term Global
09:28majority is probably freaking them out
09:31uh so so the question has to be asked uh
09:34would would the West prefer to just go
09:39into conflict with uh with Russia and
09:41with the global majority instead of um
09:44transitioning to this new uh this new
09:47system because that seems to be where
09:49we're heading yes I mean and that and
09:52that that's can I just
09:54say we go back to macron's statements
09:57from a couple of days ago where I know
09:59everyone including leaders of the West
10:02are dismissing what Marron said but my
10:04own personal belief is that makron has
10:10conversation to a war footing it's no
10:13longer Taboo it's no longer off the
10:16table to talk about perhaps uh nato in
10:20direct conflict with Russia and we do
10:22have now as as the time of this
10:25recording we do have countries which are
10:30well you know maybe we we can put boots
10:33on the ground in Ukraine maybe we can uh
10:39Russia I'm not saying it's the United
10:41States or Germany that's saying this but
10:43Finland is saying this the Netherlands
10:45is saying this Canada kind of brought
10:48this up Estonia is saying we have
10:50nothing to be afraid of with Russia
10:54so I think things are coming to a point
10:57where the West is going to have to
11:01decide do we accept this this new shift
11:06in in the architecture of the world or
11:14to go into conflict with the global
11:17majority well for the moment we know
11:20what the decision is going to be I think
11:23you know they are going to go into
11:24conflict with the global majority and
11:27they're going to be increasingly
11:30because again this is where we come back
11:32to Putin's confidence remember he's in
11:35contact with all the leaders all the
11:37important Leaders with NBS with Modi and
11:40Jank janker in India with siin ping and
11:46wangi with the Iranians with rizi and H
11:51with erogan he just spoke to where I
11:53don't want to get a conversation so he
11:55knows he he know he's more connected
12:00with these other leaders around the
12:02world that and Lula of course he's
12:06regular touch with r he's more
12:08connection with the sentiments across
12:11the worlds than Western leaders are so
12:16they are drifting into confrontation
12:18with the global majority now
12:22about sending troops to
12:25Ukraine and engaging the Russians there
12:30that can only happen
12:34feasibly if the United States joins I
12:38mean all this talk about France and
12:42Britain and the Netherlands and Estonia
12:45and Finland I mean the the Russian army
12:49would just steamroll over them I mean
12:51there's no question that they have no
12:54means to take on the Russians by
12:56themselves um so it it's that is simply
13:00not a viable option the question is will
13:04un will the United States agreed to
13:08involve itself in a direct military
13:11confrontation with Russia in Ukraine and
13:15here I think the answer is it's
13:19unlikely public sentiment in the United
13:23States is strongly shifting against even
13:27providing fought for Ukraine let alone
13:31participating directly in a war against
13:33Russia so I I I I think again that all
13:39of these statements that have come from
13:41countries all the countries that you
13:48fear that the Americans eventually are
13:53the most likely ones to say to the
13:56Russians and to the global souths well
13:59we're a big superpower we have the
14:01oceans that protect us we have a much
14:06stronger economy than the Europeans do
14:10ultimately what Putin is
14:13proposing I'm not saying they're going
14:15to say it now but ultimately what Putin
14:18is proposing is something we can work
14:21with and that there is this feeling in
14:24Europe that they're going away The more
14:26I've looked at this whole issue what
14:28macron did and the way in which that
14:31whole thing happened the more clear I am
14:35that it's really about the United States
14:38more even than the situation in Ukraine
14:40more even than the conflict with Russia
14:43they are now freaking out that the
14:46project the collective West project
14:50little own project Ukraine is starting
14:52to come to an end and they realize they
15:00it the United States depends on the
15:04elections well yes I if you get this
15:08Biden White House or
15:11configuration like what we have now with
15:13or without Biden then then I think the
15:16chances what you just said I think the
15:18chances that the US will escalate go up
15:22dramatically oh yes I agree with that if
15:24it's a trump a white house then I think
15:30will will definitely drift away the US
15:32will drift away from from from
15:34escalation with uh with the global
15:36majority yes but I think it really
15:38depends on the elections I absolutely
15:40agree the one thing I would however say
15:42is this um if the Biden White House is
15:47reelected which is not impossible by the
15:49way and they do escalate in the kind of
15:52way that macron is signaling which is
15:53entirely possible also I would expect
15:57opposition and hostility in the United
16:00States at that point to grow it would be
16:03a situation analogous to what we saw in
16:05the late 1960s where a president uh
16:09Lyndon Johnson was elected massively in
16:141964 um you know at one and the same
16:17time promising to keep the United States
16:19out of the war in Vietnam and at the
16:22same time insisting that he would take a
16:25very strong position against the you
16:27know the North Vietnamese the Communists
16:29in North Vietnam Vietnam that eventually
16:33led to the United States escalating by
16:36sending boots on the ground that in turn
16:39led to American soldiers returning to
16:42the United States in body
16:44bags and there was a simply enormous
16:49political crisis so yes I I agree if the
16:53Biden White House is reelected they will
16:55they are much more likely to do this
16:59if they're not then it will be a
17:01different turn in the road but if they
17:03are reelected they will do this but in
17:07the end assuming we all survive and we
17:11avoid World War I which is you know at
17:14that point we will be closer to World
17:16War III than we have ever been at that
17:18point then as I said it will go faster
17:22downhill that is my own
17:25view yeah uh I wonder if the Connell
17:29resignation as uh the majority um the
17:33the Republican uh Senate leader not the
17:35majority the Republican Senate leader I
17:38resignation from that position signals a
17:47um in in in the balance of power in in
17:51the Republican Party the Rhinos the the
17:56neocons are understanding that the
18:00populist America First Wing is now uh in
18:04charge of of the Republican uh party
18:08and we're going to now see the
18:11neocons shift over to the Democrat side
18:15things and we're now going to have in
18:17the US this this power struggle between
18:21populism America first which will be
18:23expressed entirely in the
18:26Republican uh party give or take a
18:29couple of of people here and there like
18:30a robney or a Lindsey grah but for the
18:33most part the Republican party will be
18:36the populist America
18:45neolib uh Democrat side of
18:48things and that and that in essence that
18:51struggle in essence will Define what
18:54happens with with uh the the situation
18:57on a geopolitical level and especially
19:00with with Russia China um bricks
19:03Etc I I absolutely think that I mean if
19:06that this is the this is where sometimes
19:08you know one is overtaken by events
19:11because um there was this meeting
19:14between Biden and uh uh uh Mike Johnson
19:18in the in the white house with McConnell
19:21turning up and basically supporting
19:23Biden trying to get M uh trying to get
19:25Johnson to agree to put the bill for
19:32house and Johnson said no I'm not doing
19:36it and I said at the time I did a
19:40program about I said um well I think
19:42this is going to really annoy
19:43Republicans what McConnell has just done
19:45is going to annoy a large number of
19:49Republicans and only a third of
19:53Republican senators in the Senate voted
19:56for this appropriation Bill and here we
20:00see McConnell siding with a small rump
20:03of the Republican Party in the Senate
20:06with Democrat president and that looks
20:09to me like um it's going to annoy a lot
20:13Republicans and well I I wondered
20:16whether he would stay on a senate leader
20:18for the Republicans and then just a the
20:22next day uh we got the announcement that
20:26he was going and I think this is exactly
20:28what's happened I think he's understood
20:30that he's losing control of well that
20:33he's actually lost control of the
20:35Republican Party he's lost control of
20:38the Republican party in the house he's
20:40lost control of the Republican Party in
20:42the country and even in the
20:45Senate his position has essentially
20:50collapsed and there was a very
20:52interesting study of which Senators
20:58and which voted against him and it
21:01showed that you know that it also
21:04divides entirely almost completely on
21:08age lines so the the older Republican
21:13Senators those who were who joined the
21:16Senate during some of them going all the
21:19way back to the Cold War the late period
21:20of the Cold War they were the ones who
21:23went with McConnell all the younger ones
21:25all the more Dynamic ones all the ones
21:27that AR in now they voted against this
21:30Appropriations Bill and they rejected
21:33McConnell's leadership and I think
21:35you're absolutely correct the the
21:36Republican party is now evolving rapidly
21:41into the American nationalist party they
21:44say we're not interested in Empire we're
21:46not interested in sending armies and
21:48fleets around the world they will oppose
21:50a military deployment in Ukraine and
21:52they will oppose any Adventure that you
21:55know is launched in Ukraine and in doing
21:58so they overwhelmingly reflect the
22:01feeling and mood within their electoral
22:04base which I suspect is growing and is
22:09starting to draw in Blue Collar
22:11Americans who historically have voted
22:14Democrat so there is this divide in the
22:16United States and it is crystallizing
22:19the Democrats the sort of um middle
22:24class well upper middle class wealthy of
22:28people backed also with immigrant votes
22:31the interventionists the people who want
22:33to pursue the projects of the 19 you
22:37know the pre the 1990s
22:39globalization all of that plus the
22:42Republican party now increasingly
22:45speaking fors the workingclass base
22:48saying you know enough's enough we're
22:50not going to waste any more time and
22:52energy on all of this and we want to uh
22:55and we want this to stop now going back
22:59to the point about intervention in
23:01Ukraine and going back to Putin's state
23:04of the nation address of course he
23:06addressed that he said that if they do
23:09decide to intervene directly in
23:12Ukraine it will be a military disaster
23:14for them others have tried it others
23:17have tried to take on the Russian army
23:19in this part of the world and um he
23:23actually made an implicit comparison
23:27with what happened in the second world
23:29war and it was fairly clear and of
23:37recitation about all of these new
23:41nuclear systems that the Russ that the
23:44Russians are bringing into service the
23:47periset supersonic cruise missile the
23:51Poseidon uh nuclear nuclear powered
23:54submarine drone uh the sarmat inter
23:58Continental ballistic missile that was
24:00all you know a um pretty open hint that
24:05you know don't even think about going to
24:07war with Russia in any shape or form it
24:10will be a complete disaster for you and
24:15I think the Pentagon certainly will
24:17understand all of that and bear in mind
24:19that the Pentagon also has other
24:22priorities they probably don't want the
24:24US Army getting bogged down in Ukraine
24:27went from their perspective the major
24:33China yeah you know Putin made all those
24:35warnings for the Smo as well um in in a
24:39different way he he warned the the
24:41collective West over and over again for
24:44many years stop pushing uh the NATO
24:48expansion uh follow the Minsk
24:50agreements Let's uh let's agree on a new
24:53security architecture for Europe and and
24:55the collective West ignored everything
24:57that that he said so here we are again
25:00making more warnings higher stakes and
25:04he's saying don't go to war with Russia
25:09escalation we've got uh the the military
25:13uh capabilities to to smash you guys we
25:16got the nuclear capabilities to smash
25:20but you know it really all depends on
25:24what's going to happen in November 2024
25:28that's how I see it I mean to me this
25:30this is going to be the key
25:33event and and if it's if it's the same
25:36guys in power that we have now then then
25:40yeah we should all the whole world
25:41should prepare but if we get a new
25:43Administration I'm not saying it's a
25:44guarantee with a new Administration
25:46either but if you get a new
25:48Administration maybe maybe we can find a
25:51a way out of this this mess the world
25:53can find a way out of this mess well I
25:55think so you're gonna be damaged
25:58but you know either way you're obsc
26:01screwed but yes and I I I think the the
26:04key thing to say here is that in the
26:06United States there is still a degree of
26:08agency um u in Europe there isn't and
26:12the the thing to understand about the
26:14Europeans is that they are um incredibly
26:18vulnerable because the political leaders
26:20of in Europe are to say it
26:22straightforwardly they are they are the
26:24puppets on the string their terror is
26:29that if the Puppet Master goes away they
26:33will flop they will fall so that's why
26:37they are taking this very aggressive
26:40line even though there's arguments now
26:42between them there's arguments between
26:44Schultz and maon and Schultz um I think
26:47quite intentionally by the way blurted
26:49out that the British and the Americans
26:52especially the British are already
26:53operating in Ukraine that they're
26:55helping Ukraine with a G guidance of the
26:59uh the guidance systems of the Storm
27:01Shadow missiles and the British by the
27:04way just say parenthesis are absolutely
27:08Furious about that they think that
27:10Schultz gave away an important secret
27:13even that's a secret everybody everybody
27:16knows but anyway that's the Europeans
27:19are very very worried I think America is
27:22different I think the politics there are
27:25more complicated than that because um
27:28they still have the ability to choose
27:32the Europeans don't they' they've
27:34maneuvered themselves into a situation
27:37that where very much like the Soviet
27:41Union's East European
27:43satellites um you remember um going back
27:46to the 1980s when gorbachov appeared on
27:48the scene and started talking about
27:50peris ster and glasnost and all of that
27:54all of the Communist leaders in Eastern
27:57Europe the satellite vassal leaders of
27:59the Soviet Union they were petrified by
28:02it because they said you know what's
28:04going to happen to us now if the Soviets
28:06walk away we finished and that's how it
28:10turned out and uh they made pretty clear
28:15their hostility to everything that was
28:17going on in the Soviet Union in Russia
28:20at that time and they were looking at
28:23all this political change that was
28:25happening in Russia and they were ter
28:27ified by it and it's the same mentality
28:30I think with the Europeans as well so
28:33they're going to push the Americans to
28:36recommit they Europeans have been
28:38scaming around for shells they can't
28:41find shells they're out of shells
28:44they're out of weapons they're out of uh
28:47men um they know they sense deep down
28:50that they can't take on the Russian army
28:53so they hope the Americans will come to
28:54their rescue and it isn't just you know
28:58Republicans who want to go down this
29:00road there are all sorts of other people
29:02in the United States who would probably
29:04not be happy about a long-term
29:06commitment to Ukraine people in the
29:08military for example so
29:11it's it's very it's very uncertain it's
29:15very uncertain what's going to happen
29:17but going again back to Putin what he's
29:20telling the Americans what he's telling
29:22the West is look whatever you do I am
29:28I'm ready I've got my Army my Army is
29:31strong it's getting stronger uh my
29:34soldiers are getting better trade he
29:36actually talked about that he said my
29:38officers have acquired enormous
29:40experience through fighting and they
29:42know how to fight in ways that you don't
29:45I've got all of these nuclear weapons my
29:47Industries are working at um incredible
29:51speed and they're producing weapons at a
29:53rate you can't match and I've got allies
29:56I got friends around the world most of
29:59the world agrees with me if you are
30:03stupid enough to do this thing I we are
30:12you yeah the global majority all right
30:15uh we will end it there the Duran
30:18locals.com yep I think we're going to
30:20hear that expression the global majority
30:23very very often now H and can I say that
30:26of course we haveen discuss the
30:27diplomacy of this but if this thing
30:30escalates in the way that we've just
30:32been discussing then of course there
30:34will be there will be diplomatic action
30:36from the uh rest of the world as well
30:39they will not want to see the United
30:41States escalate in this way or or if
30:45they do if it happens they will take
30:49to take advantage of it themselves
30:53America distracted bogged down in a war
30:57in Europe China will make its moves in
31:02Pacific Iran in the Middle
31:06it's an act of folly for the West to do
31:11but you know obsessive Reckless people
31:14do bizarre and stupid
31:17things well Putin identified where we
31:20are today in the world which is uh no
31:22longer left and right there is no left
31:25there is no right that that's over what
31:27what we have now is globalism verse
31:30nation state populism I guess you could
31:33Define it as I mean this is this is
31:36where we are yeah and and it's expressed
31:39and it's being expressed in the United
31:41States it's being expressed inside the
31:43Republican party it's being expressed in
31:45the US it's being expressed in the
31:47relationship between the US and and uh
31:50and the EU and it's being expressed in
31:53uh on the global stage with the
31:55collective west of uh bricks and and the
31:59majority so yeah it's you're absolutely
32:02right yeah you're absolutely right about
32:05this the you know the framework of left
32:07and right which is the one I was you
32:09know brought up with has completely
32:12disappeared it really doesn't apply any
32:16longer if you're looking at Putin's
32:19economic and social program especially
32:21the social program you know back in the
32:241960s this is one that is what's left
32:28exactly it's a left we
32:30social with with the important
32:32difference of course that it's carefully
32:34funded but it is very carefully funded
32:36but then people and focus is
32:39untraditional untraditional values as
32:41well but but but but you know a a a
32:44social democratic government in the 60s
32:48in Germany or Sweden or
32:51Britain could quite easily have done all
32:53of this this would have been you know
32:55signature program but if of course his
32:57emphasis on patriotism on Traditional
33:00Values that again tends to push him more
33:04to the conservative and right-wing side
33:07and yet today these two things are seen
33:10as fully consistent with each other so
33:13it's it's everything is scrambled and
33:16mixed up in ways that U for me is
33:21bewildering and I said they're mixed up
33:23they're not really mixed up this is the
33:26new Poli iCal Paradigm it is um country
33:30it is political movements based on
33:32sovereign states based on Nations based
33:35on governments that work for their
33:38people they may have different
33:40approaches different views about how to
33:43work things but that's the major divide
33:47today it's nationalists versus
33:51globalists uh um uh people who believe
33:57and people who believe in the hegemonic
33:59policies of the West and also a
34:03fundamental division on um on you know
34:07the identity issues I use the Expression
34:11carefully um but the traditional social
34:15issues the traditional values that Putin
34:18is talking about versus the new ideas
34:23that we see emerging in the west it's a
34:27completely what's wrong a
34:29final yeah but a final question what is
34:31wrong with with the with the idea of of
34:36uh Traditional Values um Health Care
34:42education uh Safety and Security strong
34:47borders and patriotism what's wrong with
34:50with this kind of mix between left and
34:52right mixing this stuff in together but
34:54taking the best of both sides and and
34:56bundling them up because that's that's
34:58kind of how I see it I'm not saying this
35:00is perfect not saying this is a perfect
35:02system and I'm not saying this is a
35:03system that fits for every country or
35:05for every person for that matter but you
35:08know if I look at you know what Putin
35:10said yesterday talking both domestic and
35:13foreign policy it seems like it's it's
35:16trying to get the best of of both the
35:18left and the right into one type of of
35:22configuration I mean is there is there
35:24something wrong with that there's
35:26nothing wrong with it at all as far as
35:28I'm concerned as speaking now as an Old
35:30Guard old style former European social
35:34you be patriotic and have universal
35:36healthcare I mean well
35:40absolutely if you if you go back in time
35:44for example and were to ask Clement
35:47Atley who was the Great postwar British
35:51prime minister who you know carried out
35:54a program in Britain which Bears some
35:56resemblance es to what Putin is talking
35:58about he was famously conservative on
36:02social and family issues in fact uh he
36:06once joked that he was conservative
36:08about everything except what except
36:11social democracy Ian so there you go so
36:14I mean you know there is absolutely
36:16nothing uh uh for me that is wrong with
36:19this and um I think that is going to be
36:23view of not just many but perhaps most
36:29people in the west once they begin to
36:32see this and certainly the overwhelming
36:35view of the vast majority of people
36:39world I think Putin said as much didn't
36:43that is in agreement with us as well
36:45most of the world yeah he said something
36:47along those lines abely he said he did
36:48exactly he did but as I said I mean uh
36:51uh if you go back as I said to people
36:53like Clement Atley tarer erlander people
36:56like that the Swedish prime minister of
36:57the 50s and 60s who was you know the
36:59great architect of the Social Democratic
37:03Sweden they would have had no problem
37:05with any of this they would have said
37:07this is you know this is us I mean he
37:08was erando was also conservative on
37:13these questions I mean I I mean he
37:15wouldn't have thought himself as
37:16conservative because bear in mind I mean
37:19these issues were not really discussed
37:22in the same way nowadays but I mean he
37:24would have also believed the supporting
37:26family is and doing all of that was a
37:28good thing but he did do all of those
37:30things and in erland's case he was a he
37:32was a nationalist he was an economic
37:35nationalist he believed in a strong
37:37defense he built up the Swedish Armed
37:40Forces to a very high level he developed
37:43Sweden's arms Industries to make sure
37:45publicly owned largely or many of them
37:48to make sure that Sweden wasn't
37:51countries specifically the US in terms
37:54of its defense positions I mean eranda
37:58and Putin could have could meet
38:01and talk about things and you would find
38:05difficulty in spotting the difference of
38:08course today all of these ideas were
38:11told by people in the west are wrong
38:16unacceptable um that they're regressive
38:19and backward reaction reactionary and
38:22that they're you know part of the far
38:25right and all that kind of thing
38:27but if you look back to you
38:30know the Europe that I actually remember
38:37mainstream what about a j a final
38:40question what about this compared to to
38:42like a traditional liberal in the US say
38:45JFK yeah JFK would have had no problem
38:48with this either in fact JFK again much
38:52closer you know this is going to horrify
38:54a lot of people but in his own policies
38:57again much closer to this than he is to
39:00what you see today in the Democratic
39:02party a lot of the things that people
39:04are talking about in the Democratic
39:05party today you know the identity issues
39:08the gender issues he wouldn't have
39:10understood them at all not only would he
39:12not have understood them he wouldn't
39:14have liked them remember he was a
39:20Catholic all right we will end it there
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