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01:40video hello guys and gals me mudahar and
01:43today we got to talk about why I don't
01:45trust the hell divers to anti-che and
01:47honestly this title is something that I
01:50think if you're a longtime viewer of my
01:51channel you come to expect okay I'm the
01:53kind of guy that when it comes to my
01:55computer I tend to have everything
01:57pretty much monitored and controlled
01:59under me when I built the bu when I
02:01built the Billy rig okay when I built my
02:04rig with multiple different operating
02:06systems and virtual machines and
02:08graphics cards I made a promise to
02:10myself that I wasn't going to let any
02:12big corporate company run on the bare
02:15metal my system is a Linux powered
02:17system that I have complete complete
02:19control over the software that I have
02:21running on my system is software that I
02:25very much trust and the only highlevel
02:27piece of software that I can't control
02:29is my graphics card because ladies and
02:31gentlemen without my graphics card a
02:33whole lot of things in my computer would
02:35be useless now the reason why I'm
02:37talking about this is years ago I made a
02:39video where I talked about valerent
02:41antiche and why I didn't necessarily
02:43trust it and that was because the
02:45antiche in that situation was a root kit
02:47it was a kernel level antiche now since
02:50that video since that era of gaming
02:53konel level anti-cheats have become more
02:55prevalent than you can imagine almost
02:57every massive multiplayer game game
03:00these days has a kernel-based anti-che
03:03whether it be battle eye whether it be
03:04easy anti-che whether it be something
03:06inhouse like Ricochet which Powers Call
03:09of Duty war zone and Modern Warfare 3
03:12there are games these days released that
03:14all come with anti-cheats and obviously
03:16as you all understand in the world of PC
03:18gaming there are a lot of cheaters okay
03:21plenty of them there are games like
03:23tarov where cheating is almost an
03:26expectation when you matchmake for an
03:28online session so obviously game
03:30developers put in anti-cheats on PC to
03:33prevent the actual prevalence of
03:35cheating something like a console like a
03:37PlayStation or an Xbox usually has much
03:40more rigid safeguards in the software
03:42that it can run where anti-cheats aren't
03:44necessarily a necessity but for PC
03:47gaming it's a big thing now hell divers
03:492 is a very popular game I love this
03:52game I enjoy it it's a great Cooperative
03:54experience spreading democracy around
03:56superar is awesome so before we begin I
03:59want to really separate the game from
04:01the anti-che okay hell divers 2 great
04:04title anti-che I'm not really a fan of
04:06nor do I trust especially anti-che that
04:09gets really invasive into my system so
04:12let's start off with why hell divers 2 a
04:15predominantly PVE game a game that
04:17doesn't even have you competing against
04:19other people needs anti-che so this game
04:22if you have not played hell divers 2 is
04:24a Cooperative extraction shooter and the
04:26whole concept of it is is that there is
04:28a combined goal from every player in the
04:31entire game like a server the the entire
04:34pool all contributing towards a goal
04:36right so every week There's a goal that
04:38you contribute to defend missions
04:39capture missions whatever and the whole
04:41concept of it is is every single thing
04:44that you and your squad do in one game
04:45session contributes a tiny percentage to
04:47an overall goal so that's kind of how
04:50Hell divers 2 works so there are two
04:53reasons why anti-che is needed for one
04:56you don't want to have hackers run
04:58around and absolutely tear through the
05:01uh goal and ruin the experience for
05:03people who are legitimately trying to
05:05play this game and the other thing is
05:07there is obviously a revenue component
05:09this game also has microtransaction will
05:11currency and I believe some of the
05:12premium stuff can be acquired through
05:15regular play so clearly a game company
05:17is going to be there with anti-che
05:19software to prevent people from getting
05:21access to premium currency which can
05:23affect the revenue of the game and this
05:26is an independent game obviously there
05:28needs to be some level of control on
05:30that that's why anti-che exists so now
05:33that we know that let's leave hell
05:34divers 2 on the sidelines the game is
05:37not so important it's the anti-che that
05:40powers it that I care more about and I
05:42think more people who come to this video
05:44are interested in in general now rootkit
05:46level anti-cheats or kernel-based
05:48anti-cheats are anti-cheats that run at
05:51the very very highest level of your
05:53systems kernel so to give you again a
05:55quick graph here these are rings the
05:57least privileged ring ring 3 is up over
06:00here and ring zero is the kernel layer
06:02so for instance when we talk about user
06:04space or the space that you see and
06:06interact with on your computer that is
06:08obviously not at the most privileged
06:10level of your computer's access but a
06:13kernel-based anti-che resides here again
06:16right next to your kernel meaning that
06:17it has the access to see some of the
06:20deepest layers of your system now most
06:22anti-che software if not all of them are
06:25not necessarily built to spy on you the
06:28reason they exist in this space this
06:31deep again very privileged area is
06:34because actual cheats these days actual
06:36cheaters use software that also resides
06:39in this space if anti-che existed in
06:42like ring 3 for instance and a cheat
06:44software existed in ring zero there is a
06:47pretty understandable chance obviously
06:49that that cheating software is going to
06:51go pretty much unnoticed by the anti-che
06:55software because it doesn't have the
06:57abilities to look deep into into the
06:59kernel and see what's actually going on
07:01so I'm going to give you the best
07:03example from a group of scumback
07:04cheaters who have made a cute graph to
07:06show you how this works for instance
07:08this is your gaming computer right this
07:10is where you're playing something like
07:12hell divers 2 or I guess the better
07:13example is let's use Rainbow Six Siege
07:16so you're playing Siege right here now
07:18this computer is connected with a dma
07:21card which is a direct memory access
07:23card now that dma card is plugged into
07:26the PCI Express slot typically where you
07:28plug in your graphics card and it allows
07:31another computer through the use of a
07:33USB cable to read your video game memory
07:36and that's how a lot of hacks work in
07:38order to use things like aimbots and ESP
07:41cheats and wall hacks you need to be
07:43able to read the game memory which is
07:46why another computer exists that reads
07:48the game memory while the actual game
07:50just plays the title and through here
07:52you can actually run things like other
07:54you know aimbots you know trigger
07:56exploits recoil hacks you you so on and
07:59so so forth so using all of these other
08:01pieces of Hardware that's how you
08:03actually get by certain hacks that exist
08:06it's one of the reasons why even virtual
08:08machines that I use to game are
08:10typically banned by anti-che software
08:13because once you access the memory for
08:15any computer uh whether it be through a
08:17virtual machine or through one of these
08:19PCI Express cards it can be very
08:22difficult for an anti-che to basically
08:24figure out where the hacker actually is
08:26it's why if you're a good closet cheater
08:28you can get away for months if not years
08:30without ever really being detected by
08:32even the best anti-che solutions that
08:35exist now I want to start off by saying
08:37do not use any of these devices they're
08:39not exactly legal for video games nor
08:42should they be and uh again they're also
08:44pretty illegal depending on where you
08:45live in the world also they go up
08:47against terms of services and you will
08:49go to Hell by the way if you use cheats
08:51in a video game online plus you're a
08:54[Â __Â ] scumbag okay there's a lot of
08:55negatives here just get good at the game
08:57or stop playing loser Jesus Christ and
09:00again all of this doesn't even involve
09:02the next generation of cheating software
09:05that exists for anybody that doesn't
09:06know there is literally AI based
09:09cheating software cheating software that
09:11doesn't even touch the memory of the
09:13game it just looks at a video feed of a
09:16first-person shooter and is able to in
09:18real time correct your aim and Aimbot
09:21without the game ever knowing these kind
09:23of cheats are nearly undetectable by
09:26almost any anti-che on the market right
09:29now now in order to combat AI cheating
09:31you need to have ai built for anti-che
09:34okay you have literal Artificial
09:36Intelligence on artificial intelligence
09:38violence for this it's a arms race if
09:41you ever wonder why it's because there
09:42is a lot of money and a lot of
09:44reputation on the lines of people that
09:46gain really high ranks in these
09:48competitive Shooters you know there are
09:49stories of twitch streamers who keep
09:51getting caught with cheating software
09:53because they play at a really high level
09:55on the internet and of course you know
09:57when it all and that that it is what it
09:59is right like if you're in that market
10:01and you're competing against millions of
10:04other people for that super high
10:06prestigious rank you might end up using
10:07a cheat or two it's disgusting
10:09unfortunately it happens okay so now
10:12that you've kind of understood about
10:14anti-cheats and I've kind of given you a
10:15little bit of update on this what
10:17anti-che does Hell divers 2 use and why
10:20has it gotten so much controversy why
10:23was the game getting review bombed and
10:25why was there a big discussion well the
10:27cheating engine that it actually uses
10:28the anti- cheat engine is known as n
10:31protect gameu guard now if you're
10:32somebody that plays like old school
10:35Korean like free-to-play MMOs like I
10:37used to back in the day you know ji.com
10:39all that stupid [Â __Â ] you probably know
10:42of what nprotect game guard is in fact
10:44the games that it's been used on are
10:46games known as City Racers uh fly ff of
10:49course hell divers 2 being one of the
10:51big popular games lineage one and two
10:53Fantasy Star online blue burst maple
10:56story and of course even fantasy Star
10:59online to so yeah this is a pretty
11:02popular piece of antiche software and
11:04again it is a very very very deep
11:07rootkit that's just how it has to work
11:10and the entire goal of this is to
11:12prevent cheet software from even running
11:14on your system game guard effectively
11:17hides the game application process it
11:20monitors again that memory range and it
11:22terminates those applications that is
11:24defined by the game vendor to be cheats
11:27so if the game vendor says you know
11:29cheat engine is for instance a cheat
11:31right like it'll basically prevent that
11:33from running the way that they designed
11:35this is you know to obviously isolate
11:38the game and prevent people from
11:39modifying it or using software in
11:41general that's just how it works and for
11:43anybody wondering bro how long have they
11:45been around this this anti-che the
11:48company behind it Inca internet is
11:50actually a South Korean uh company that
11:52has been around for 24 years we're
11:54talking January 2000 they've been around
11:57and they don't just make anti cheats
11:59software they're around making all kinds
12:01of antivirus and Internet Security based
12:03Solutions so this is a big organization
12:06as the big company it has history to it
12:09now personally speaking if you ask me I
12:12think better solutions for hell divers 2
12:14and Sony would have been if they went
12:16with battle eye as much as I have
12:17disdained for battle eye I think it
12:19might be a better solution something
12:21like easy anti-che which Powers tons of
12:23popular games like I believe fortnite
12:25and even Halo Master Chief Collection
12:28why Sony didn't go with them might be up
12:30to whoever was running this deal in the
12:32background right again these are just
12:34vendors and companies will pick
12:36whichever one comes to them first or
12:38whoever has the more applicable solution
12:40for their operation now this anti-che
12:43has its own levels of controversy right
12:46months ago when I talked about something
12:48known as um UND December a game that was
12:50like a Diablo likee clone that I
12:52couldn't even run in a virtual machine
12:54was from my understanding powered by
12:57this exact root kit in Che software and
13:00one of the problems was of course if you
13:02look through the steam discussions for
13:04that game was people were trying to
13:06wonder how they could even remove this
13:08because one of the big problems was even
13:09if you uninstalled the game that the
13:11anti-che was associated with the
13:13anti-che would never go away so they
13:16would have to make special tools just to
13:18help remove software like this software
13:21that should have been removed by the
13:23time you were uninstalling a game see
13:24one of the big problems with this kind
13:26of software is that it persists more
13:29than it should the fact that you have to
13:31download a different tool in order to
13:33uninstall the actual anti-che that comes
13:35bundled with a game in my opinion is
13:38[Â __Â ] absurd and then obviously people
13:40would have to go through their Windows
13:41Registries the deepest parts of their
13:43system to make sure every little nook
13:45and cranny was clean of this software
13:48now since then I'm pretty sure that
13:50somebody at n protect or the companies
13:52that work with them decided to bring
13:54this up because hell divers 2 is
13:56actually really different if you go to
13:58hell divers do and browse its local
14:00files you can actually go to the tools
14:02directory and do GG uninstall.exe
14:05that'll uninstall from my understanding
14:07all of the software regarding that easy
14:10anti or sorry that end protect game
14:12guard now the other big thing about this
14:14software is it actually works underneath
14:16Linux entirely as a Linux gamer I can
14:19play hell divers 2 on my system I can
14:21play it on the steam deck which is a
14:23little unprecedented for invasive
14:25anti-che like this to even work
14:27underneath Linux because the way Linux
14:29games work is that they're Windows
14:31versions but they're wrapped around you
14:33know something we call Wine which is a
14:35compatibility layer and the fact that
14:37anti- cheets work is a little surprising
14:39and so if you want to uninstall this
14:41from Linux you could basically just
14:43delete the game and the associated wine
14:45directory that basically is the
14:48container for the game's files you could
14:50just do that and it's actually a lot
14:52easier than Windows surprisingly it's a
14:54weird it's it's a weird bonus we get now
14:57the other bit of controversy y that
14:59ended up happening in this situation too
15:01was obviously even other games like
15:03Fantasy Star online blue burst that also
15:05required you to download special
15:07software to remove those extra
15:09anti-cheats again you shouldn't even
15:11need to do that but one of the severe
15:14sort of controversies come all the way
15:16from this right here now this
15:17vulnerability report says n protect game
15:20guard NPP tnt2 gain access that's a
15:23little confusing and protect game guard
15:26could allow a remote or local attacker
15:28to gain unauthorized access caused by a
15:31vulnerability in their specific driver
15:33which allows unrestricted IO for any
15:36process by masking the permission mask
15:39so this ladies and gentlemen is
15:41obviously pretty dangerous and you don't
15:43want a hacker to get access to it but if
15:45you read real closely ladies and
15:47gentlemen this was reported January 6
15:502005 making it almost 20 years old that
15:55this was detected clearly en protect
15:57game guard has had addressed this and
15:59patched their software up so this
16:01wouldn't be abused now again this is
16:04kind of similar in a way to something
16:07else that happened recently with another
16:08big game known as genin impact genin
16:11impact had another actual anti-che and
16:14one of the drivers my 2.is could be used
16:18to actually work alongside malicious
16:20software and get unprecedented access
16:24system so according to Tren micro during
16:27the last week of July 22 a ransomware
16:29infection was triggered in a user
16:31environment that had endpoint protection
16:33properly configured so when they
16:35analyzed they found a code signed driver
16:37the same driver from the Gin impact
16:40antiche uh basically used to uh bypass
16:43privileges as a result commands from
16:45kernel mode killed the endpoint
16:47protection processes so by using an
16:50anti-che driver that had the deepest
16:51level of access to your system they were
16:53able to bypass any protection and see
16:56that's where the real untrustworthy part
16:58Parts come out of I'm not going to sit
17:00here and say that I don't trust anti-che
17:02developers because I think they're
17:03secretly spying on your system if you're
17:06worried about your system being spied on
17:08installing hell divers 2 is its own
17:10mistake if you don't trust the game
17:11developers then don't even bother
17:13installing their game they can do a lot
17:15more damage without even involving an
17:17anti-che in the first place and anti-che
17:20software is not going to go out of its
17:21way to directly spy and steal
17:23information from you that is highly
17:26illegal [Â __Â ] and nobody is going to risk
17:29doing that the only reason I say I don't
17:31trust this is because I have their
17:33software sitting on my system it can be
17:35used potentially by Bad actors to attack
17:38me or anybody else in the future and as
17:41some of the examples I just showed you
17:43that can be the case now obviously if
17:45you're worried about anti-che software
17:47I'm going to just basically level with
17:49you real quick you probably should be
17:51more worried about anti virus software
17:53for instance back uh February 22
17:56literally of this year the FTC order
17:58will ban aast from selling browser data
18:01for advertising purposes and they
18:03required them to pay 16.5 million which
18:06by the way is Pennies on the dollar for
18:08an organization like aast uh overcharges
18:11The Firm sold browsing data after
18:13claiming its products would Block online
18:15tracking so if you actually read it real
18:17quick and you read through the complaint
18:19you'll find out that Avast which was one
18:21of the largest antivirus softwares you
18:23could download for free an antivirus
18:26software is as invasive if not more than
18:28anti-che software yeah they were
18:31basically alleged to uh sell your data
18:33sell your private information you know
18:35to third parties which obviously is a
18:38big no no they were fine for it and if
18:40you're worried about your personal
18:41information this might be more
18:43interesting to you it's one of the
18:44reasons why I don't use anti-che
18:46software at all I use something known as
18:49common sense I don't run weird
18:50executables and I don't go to Shady
18:52websites without a VM therefore I don't
18:54need these shitty antivirus softwares
18:57that exist for free literally so they
18:59can do some shady [Â __Â ] I only find out
19:01about it like years down the road now
19:03even obviously hell divers 2 developers
19:05have talked about this and they you know
19:07Peter lingren who's the technical
19:09director actually discussed this where
19:11they said is game guard a colonel level
19:14administrator privilege anti-che yes
19:15game guard is Colonel level AKA rootkit
19:18anti-che most anti-che run at Colonel
19:20level especially all the popular ones
19:22and he's not wrong and of course he says
19:25that anti-cheats that run in user mode
19:27can be less effective and here he even
19:29tells you if you want to uninstall hell
19:31divers 2o he says even when you
19:33uninstall game guard is removed at the
19:35same time the game is uninstalled and
19:37they even give you that same uninstaller
19:39tool I showed you in the actual game
19:42directory files now I personally don't
19:44trust and protect game guard and I don't
19:46trust this on the same level that I
19:48don't trust Vanguard I don't trust uh
19:51easy anti-che and I don't trust
19:53something like uh you know battle eye I
19:55don't trust rootkit software running on
19:57my system in general ener and again you
19:59shouldn't trust it because the company
20:01behind the antiche or the game developer
20:04spying on you you should just not trust
20:06these things because they're very
20:08invasive for very little gain again if
20:11this was my graphics card I could
20:13understand that I use it to visualize
20:15things on my system but if it's a game
20:17that I play from time to time I don't
20:19think any software should be running
20:21entirely on the system now it also
20:23depends on how long that piece of
20:25software runs one of the big differences
20:27between this in Vanguard at the time was
20:29Vanguard from my knowledge when it first
20:32released was running pretty much as soon
20:34as you booted up the system and that is
20:37obviously not something anybody likes
20:39obviously if you're not playing the game
20:41why is the invasive software even
20:42running now since then you can disable
20:44it and with a lot of these anti-cheats
20:46their drivers are only actually active
20:49when the game is running in fact I even
20:51checked this myself by looking through
20:53the network stack itself through the
20:55actual virtual machine I ran hell divers
20:57to in so again these kind of virtual
21:00machines these kind of anti-cheats that
21:02do in some capacity work under virtual
21:04machines I play games right there and
21:07then and that's how I separate I don't
21:09allow these things to run on my native
21:11system what I do is I run a Windows
21:14Virtual Machine and I install all my
21:15multiplayer games games like uh Call of
21:18Duty games like Rainbow 6 Escape From
21:21tarov Hell divers too and I run them
21:23underneath a virtual machine so I can
21:25have that layer of Separation so even if
21:27they are running really invasive the
21:30most invasive they are are on a virtual
21:32machine and not my actual system where
21:34real damage can be done but again not
21:37everyone has a solution like that so
21:39again it's really up to you if you trust
21:41these organizations and their software
21:44with your computer and personal
21:45information and look for most people
21:47They Don't Really Care most people are
21:48just here to play video games and they
21:50don't give a [Â __Â ] about their personal
21:51information I don't agree but it is the
21:54world we live in you have that choice
21:56but yeah I wanted to look in H divers to
21:58anti-che and yes n protect game guard is
22:01probably the shittiest anti-che in my
22:04opinion they could have used if it was
22:05up to me probably would have went with
22:07battle eyee probably would have went
22:09with easy anti-che you know a somewhat
22:11reputable vendor but we're here right
22:14now okay and that's pretty much the
22:15world we're in if you are really worried
22:18about these kind of cheats and you don't
22:19want to expose your computer and you
22:21have the money to buy a PlayStation that
22:23might be a better solution you can
22:25install the game there and never have to
22:26worry about [Â __Â ] like sh anticheats that
22:29said though ladies and gentlemen this is
22:31all I really wanted to get into I wanted
22:33to give this a little seal of approval I
22:35wanted to talk about it in general I
22:37have no reason and no actual evidence
22:39based on any analysis that this is
22:42spying on you now again should something
22:44be running this deep that's a matter of
22:47you know personal opinions this is me
22:49mudahar and if you like what you saw
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