00:00 half in the bag I'll see a little bit
00:11 say Jay how long do you think this
00:14 strike can go on for Oh you mean the
00:16 sag-aftra and Writer's Guild strikes no
00:19 I'm talking about the strike at our
00:21 local Krispy Kreme donuts
00:23 the employees haven't been there for
00:25 weeks they're trying to unionize I
00:27 haven't known what to have for breakfast
00:29 lunch or dinner wait you have Krispy
00:33 Kreme for three meals a day
00:38 I guess that makes sense
00:41 what what are you talking about I've
00:44 never had a Krispy Kreme donut in my
00:46 entire life that last statement was
00:48 totally unrelated uh Hey do you think we
00:50 should do some work on Mr plinkett's VCR
00:53 no Mike we haven't done a single thing
00:56 to fix it in months maybe years I don't
01:00 even know but eventually this open order
01:02 is going to attract the attention of
01:03 corporate corporate are you kidding me
01:06 corporate hasn't been around in years I
01:09 don't even know if they exist anymore
01:10 and then someone changed our stock
01:13 ticker from LF VCR to fart Jay it's been
01:19 I think will be just fine oh in that
01:21 case you want to just talk about some
01:22 movies absolutely in fact I have three
01:26 movies I'd love to talk to you about
01:29 oh what are they I don't know if I've
01:30 seen them I don't know if we can have a
01:31 discussion if you want to talk about
01:36 it's all going Kyle Gardner's way except
01:38 for some things but anyway we're going
01:39 to talk about uh today we celebrate an
01:42 actor you probably have seen in
01:43 something before but may not know by
01:45 name or even by face today we celebrate
01:49 an American icon Kyle gallner
01:52 I'm sorry uh what he's most well known
01:55 for his role in the 2010 Nightmare on
01:58 Elm Street reboot and for the TV series
02:00 Veronica Mars and recently for his roles
02:03 in Scream and smile so put the question
02:08 in the answer Mr gallner's career as an
02:11 actor is ever evolving though from many
02:13 one-off roles in movies and TV shows he
02:16 finally seems to have found a good Niche
02:18 for himself playing Sullen often Moody
02:21 and more darker characters and smaller
02:23 performance driven films so get ready
02:25 kids it's time for the awesomest Kyle
02:29 gallner triple feature spectacular what
02:34 I do want to make it clear right off the
02:36 bat that this isn't a joke like I think
02:38 like because we did the Bruce Willis
02:40 episode it's like oh we're gonna watch
02:41 all these shitty movies and make fun of
02:43 them uh this is not our attempt to make
02:45 fun of Kyle gallner no is it right
02:47 because it's such a random like person
02:49 to pick do this triple feature it's like
02:51 oh are they just picking on a random
02:53 actor but no we're not picking on him
02:55 this is legit it stumbled upon us no one
02:59 could have predicted this video like
03:01 like oh but sure they're going to review
03:03 the Barbie movie nuts Blue Beetle and
03:06 talk about all the Barbie movies woke no
03:09 one would have guessed the Kyle gallner
03:11 triple feature spectacular
03:13 um but it it it it happened I stumbled
03:16 upon it my favorite service to watch
03:19 movies on is voodoo as everyone knows
03:23 I love Voodoo and I always check Voodoo
03:26 for new films and I think I can't
03:29 remember which one it was Mother May I
03:31 these are our three films mother may I
03:33 the passenger and what comes around yes
03:37 I I can't remember which one of the
03:39 three movies it was but I was watching
03:42 trailers and then I noticed that he was
03:44 in both these movies and uh they were
03:47 released right around the same time on
03:48 streaming and then I I Voodoo lets you
03:51 one they show the Rotten Tomatoes score
03:53 which is nice uh because certain ones
03:57 won't have any reviews and that's a big
04:00 red flag that it's like super low budget
04:03 oh sure these are snow falls snowfall
04:06 that quality of film yeah uh which is
04:08 funny yeah did you get the snowfalls
04:12 Johnny Burch told the kid in the co-star
04:16 of the passenger was in snowfall oh I
04:19 didn't even make that connection
04:20 snowfalls has left my Minds almost
04:23 completely except for the CGI Snowman
04:30 all right that's all I remember constant
04:33 my dreams every night no uh uh so yeah
04:37 you can see the score and then so that
04:39 kind of lets you know if it's like more
04:41 of a real movie these are all very low
04:42 budget movies and people often gripe at
04:46 us or say that we when we make fun
04:49 of like the terrible movies on like 2B
04:52 and stuff like they say that we don't
04:54 support indie film and like that kind of
04:57 nonsense we're punching down yeah even
04:59 though these are people that have made
05:00 actual movies and got them released like
05:03 it's a movie it exists we're gonna
05:04 critique it these These are above that
05:06 level they're they're still low budget
05:08 films but they they are have higher
05:10 production values they're not like you
05:13 know Suburban Sasquatch level movies
05:15 when we make fun of movies like that yes
05:16 uh we at that point we don't support
05:20 uh I definitely support indie film and
05:23 that's why I want to talk about these
05:25 movies because we both watch them like
05:28 blind and uh in in I think for the most
05:31 part I I enjoyed them we'll discuss but
05:34 um I didn't know what I was getting into
05:36 so it's something different than
05:39 watching Indiana Jones the dial of
05:41 Destiny where it's like okay I know what
05:42 I'm doing it's going through the motions
05:44 you could watch all three of these
05:45 movies in the time it takes you to watch
05:46 Indiana Jones and the dial of Destiny
05:50 um if you click on a movie on VUDU it
05:51 shows the cast blah blah there's Kyle
05:53 gallner I know Kyle gallner for our the
05:56 next phase of our discussion which we'll
05:58 get into uh and uh click on Kyle gallner
06:01 and boom boom boom the guy he works he
06:04 he he's in a bit of a Renaissance period
06:07 he's he's found his kind of like a good
06:11 good roles for him to play that he fits
06:13 well into he found found his footing I
06:16 think yeah and a good like budget level
06:18 yes not super high budget he's not the
06:21 lead in you know a DC movie or something
06:24 but consistently works on Lower budget
06:27 but but well-made movies yes so and then
06:31 occasional parts and bigger movies like
06:32 scream and smile I guess yeah uh he's
06:38 I did a little bit of research no I hope
06:40 for a reason okay I'll explain the
06:42 reason in a minute all right he his
06:45 first role was in wet Hot American
06:48 Summer what what because it said he
06:52 followed his and I'm not sure if this is
06:54 his exact first role but it seems to
06:55 line up he said he followed his sister
06:57 to an audition he wasn't going to be an
07:00 actor but he went with his sister to an
07:02 audition and ended up getting a part and
07:04 actually one of the kids yeah what how
07:06 yeah Wet Hot American Summer was shot in
07:09 uh Pennsylvania so it makes sense kind
07:15 uh who's the kid from uh election I went
07:18 on to be in like Final Destination oh
07:20 Nick the Augusto Augusto Milwaukee uh
07:23 Marquette alumni yes uh Nick the Augusto
07:26 lived in was it [ __ ] Iowa or Nebraska
07:29 yeah he just got a bit part in election
07:31 and that's where they scooped up actual
07:32 high school kids yeah in the neighboring
07:34 town or whatever where they shot it and
07:36 then I guess some of them him or maybe
07:45 hey Nick the Augusta got to be the lead
07:47 in the Final Destination he did pretty
07:48 good and he was his Hunter is that his
07:51 name on his office right yes yeah Jan's
07:53 boy toy assistant you're on the office
07:56 you made it that's funny that he was in
07:58 wet Hot American Summer because there's
08:00 a connection between Wet Hot American
08:01 Summer and what comes around
08:05 and that the composer of what comes
08:07 around is Craig wedron who he was in a
08:09 band called shutter to think but he does
08:10 all the music for all those like wet Hot
08:12 American Summer David Wayne projects oh
08:15 okay so interesting well yeah well now I
08:18 gotta scrub through uh what had American
08:20 Summer and find I'm assuming he's just
08:21 one of the little kids in it somewhere
08:22 yeah that was what 0-1 yeah so he he was
08:26 born in 86. I think I know who he might
08:31 cut it out Bobby you're fine there's the
08:35 kid uh Paul Rudd is making out with
08:37 Elizabeth Banks and they let a kid drown
08:39 and then there's another kid on the edge
08:40 of the dock and he's like it's your job
08:42 to not me to make sure kids don't drown
08:44 have you seen my swimming buddy
08:47 um I can't find him I'm telling Beth
08:50 that you let him drown that might be him
08:52 okay we'll test your uh your your your
08:54 your uh your excellent memory skills now
08:58 that's my only guess unless he's just an
09:01 it's your job to make sure kids don't
09:03 drown well if he had a line then that
09:08 had his career taken off that's a good
09:10 line to start with because it's still
09:11 burned into my brain
09:13 but yeah he had a reoccurring role in
09:15 Veronica Mars as some character uh two
09:18 episodes of Smallville he played a
09:23 Lil apostrophe flash low flash or a mini
09:26 flash or something Young Flash Baby
09:28 Flash something and then aka impulse
09:31 okay not he didn't play The Flash played
09:35 another character called impulse
09:38 now it's interesting because he also get
09:41 in 2007 guest started an episode of Law
09:45 the episode was titled impulsive
09:48 and the premise was as a high school
09:52 student who accuses his teacher played
09:55 by Melissa Joan Hart of statutory rape
09:57 oh you want to talk about Connections
10:00 that ties in with one of her movies and
10:02 he's in the neighboring Elm Street
10:04 remake which is all about these kids
10:05 accusing Freddie of molesting them right
10:08 A Haunting in Connecticut Jennifer's
10:11 Body a lot of horror pictures a lot of
10:14 horror um which I assumed because you
10:17 said watch these three Kyle gallner
10:18 movies that we're going to be talking
10:19 about on this episode I assume they were
10:21 all horror because all these low budget
10:23 movies that show up on all these
10:24 Services they're all horror but only one
10:26 of them is really a horror movie yeah
10:28 ones I I guess you'd call it like a
10:30 thriller and then one's more of a drama
10:42 so under normal circumstances uh movies
10:46 had a lead actor link to all three would
10:50 just be kind of not super interesting
10:53 you and I know the name Kyle gallner for
10:56 a specific reason and I don't know if
10:58 you've ever told your tail Jay well we
11:01 told it on our Nightmare on Elm Street
11:03 commentary track years ago okay uh so I
11:07 can tell a condensed version here go
11:09 ahead uh well this would have been 2009
11:11 I guess right when that movie came out
11:13 2010 yeah uh and that was in our
11:16 freelance days pre-red letter media days
11:19 pre-lightning fast VCR repair shop that
11:22 was before we started working at the
11:23 Lightning Fast VCR repair shop I had a
11:26 lot of free time on my hands and I knew
11:27 they were shooting The Nightmare on Elm
11:29 Street remake in Chicago
11:31 and I saw I don't remember how I found
11:32 it but I saw they were looking for
11:33 extras it's like oh I love Freddy
11:35 Krueger it'd be fun to go down there and
11:37 just be an extra for a scene or two so I
11:39 submitted my info it doesn't go well
11:41 trust me right oh yeah you know all
11:45 and even though this wasn't a real
11:46 nightmare on the Street movie it's like
11:48 yeah it'd be fun to go I never even told
11:50 my uh Couples Retreat story we'll say
11:54 that for another day
11:56 um but uh yeah so I submitted my info be
11:59 like hey I'm available for extras and I
12:02 think it was like even later that same
12:04 day someone from their offices contacted
12:06 me and they're like hey you are the
12:08 exact same measurements as one of our
12:10 lead actors would you like to be a
12:13 like which is for anyone I guess that
12:15 doesn't know that's when they're setting
12:16 up the lights and everything they don't
12:17 want the actor hanging around on set but
12:22 that's a good position like if you're
12:23 like a child or his brother from another
12:25 mother I guess like like that's a good
12:27 position if you're like a wannabe actor
12:29 like oh this is a good opportunity to
12:31 get a lot of time on set maybe talk with
12:33 some other people I didn't give a [ __ ]
12:35 about any of that I don't want to be an
12:36 actor I didn't want to be on the set of
12:39 a movie but I was like it's a Freddy
12:40 movie maybe this will be you just want
12:41 to show up for like a half a day and and
12:43 be in a scene where Freddie's walking
12:44 around in the classroom going I'm gonna
12:46 kill all you and then and then be like
12:47 oh that was great bye yeah exactly but
12:50 no no no no but uh so I went down there
12:52 they're like hey we need uh we're
12:54 meeting with all of our stand-ins our
12:56 main character stand-ins on this day can
12:58 you be here so I said sure I hung out on
13:03 Mets what's his name Thomas Decker who
13:06 at the time was on the Sarah Connor
13:08 Chronicles and he's in that movie I saw
13:11 Rooney Mara for like two seconds and she
13:13 looked like she wanted to kill herself
13:14 what would now when you say you saw them
13:16 were they just like sitting there like
13:18 smoking or did they were walking by you
13:20 uh they were just hanging out this was
13:21 in like a big open room they were still
13:23 building some of the sets in the same it
13:25 was like a big open uh uh Sound Stage
13:27 okay but they were mainly doing uh cast
13:30 reference photos like costume photos and
13:33 they wanted to take pictures of all the
13:34 actors with their stand-ins okay so
13:37 somewhere out there in some vaults an
13:40 assault mine somewhere there's pictures
13:42 of me awkwardly standing next to Kyle
13:43 gallner because I was down there to be
13:47 um and I met Jackie early Jackie Earl
13:49 Haley that's another story that's on our
13:52 he was not so excited about doing the
13:55 Freddy no well that's what I discovered
13:57 like I said Rooney Mara looked miserable
13:59 and I found out later there's like an
14:01 interviewer she said like she almost
14:02 quit acting from working on that movie
14:04 it was very clearly a rushed production
14:06 and nobody gave a [ __ ] the director was
14:09 Samuel Bayer who did like the Smells
14:12 Like Teen Spirit music video the aspirin
14:15 the ease the the heir to the aspirin
14:17 company sign in NDA
14:20 to sign an NDA I don't think I signed
14:22 anything okay then you could tell us
14:23 what Jackie Earl Haley said well you
14:25 know what go listen to our commentary
14:26 track for that quit chilling you [ __ ]
14:29 where I first heard that um people were
14:31 even thinking about me for this role was
14:33 on the internet and it was fans
14:35 suggesting that I might be right for
14:36 this role and my immediate reaction was
14:38 like he said he didn't never even seen a
14:41 Freddy movie and then when he watched
14:43 them in preparation for his role and he
14:45 said they suck this is yeah we somehow
14:47 we got in a situation I was talking with
14:48 a crew member who's like the only person
14:50 happy to be there he's clearly like a
14:52 horror fan it's like me and him were
14:54 just like talking about Freddy and then
14:55 Jackie Earl Haley just like wandered up
14:57 to us and he's like yeah I watched this
14:59 was like the day before shooting started
15:01 or something he's like yeah I rewatched
15:03 the first movie in my hotel room last
15:05 night and that was like the worst thing
15:09 there's her new Freddy
15:13 I don't know if I should be telling all
15:14 these these secrets these Trade Secrets
15:17 but uh well you're not trying to be an
15:19 actor well that that's the thing it's
15:21 like I was like oh I'll go hang out on a
15:23 Freddy movie it'll be fun and it was so
15:25 clear from my time there that it was a
15:26 giant [ __ ] nobody wanted to be
15:29 there and then they told me at the end
15:30 of the day after doing all the reference
15:32 photos and stuff I was leaving and
15:34 they're like now we will need you in
15:36 about a week we're gonna start shooting
15:37 so that's when we would need you on set
15:38 and then I think because this was in
15:40 Chicago so I drove back up to Milwaukee
15:42 I think you were there I think like a
15:44 group of us just like went out for
15:45 drinks that night that same night and
15:47 then I got a phone call from their
15:49 offices at like two in the morning we
15:51 were walking back from a bar or
15:53 something they're like yeah we need you
15:55 on set at 6 a.m tomorrow and that sounds
15:58 never talked to him again all day I got
16:00 my one new line Cinema check for my one
16:02 day on set I got my experience saw
16:06 Jackie Earle Haley try on the sweater
16:07 for the first time you got to take a
16:09 Polaroid photo with Kyle gallner that's
16:12 out there somewhere in the world where's
16:14 Kyle gallner can you find this photo it
16:18 was like a series of photos they just
16:19 snapped a bunch of photos
16:22 like there's like reference photos they
16:24 take reference Polaroids so they could
16:26 see like oh how do we do the makeup and
16:28 you know you're gonna match it
16:30 um or just I think this was just like
16:31 for height perspective wise I don't even
16:33 know because I was just wearing my
16:35 street clothes but so you match Kyle
16:38 gallner's height weight
16:40 proportions well enough to be his
16:42 stand-in well if there's one thing I've
16:44 learned from your your story is that if
16:47 Kyle gallner is in any way upset about
16:49 our video I know I could kick his
16:59 are You My Mother anyway let's talk
17:01 about our film as I say he shouldn't be
17:02 upset because we're gonna have nothing
17:04 but nice things to say about him
17:10 well how what order should we do these
17:12 films in oh god well let me start with
17:15 the one that I watched first okay um
17:17 because there's the most most
17:18 interesting things to say about it it's
17:20 called what comes around
17:22 that's the one I watched last
17:24 so that's more recent in my brain okay
17:27 um what comes around when you watch the
17:30 trailer it really looks like kind of
17:32 like a evil boyfriend
17:36 is dating younger girl and they're in
17:40 love and parents don't appreciate it and
17:43 it's gonna he's gonna turn into that
17:45 movie with uh Mark Wahlberg
17:48 and uh what's that movie called uh fear
17:50 uh but yeah I didn't even watch the
17:52 trailer I just clicked on it and you see
17:54 like they have the poster but then
17:56 they'll have like a background image and
17:58 it's like him standing next to his truck
17:59 with the girl and it looks like a
18:00 romance movie so it's like what am I
18:07 but then it starts I was like oh this is
18:09 going to turn into like a like a
18:11 domestic Thriller like fear I don't know
18:13 if this ever comes up but I love those
18:15 movies like Hand That Rocks the Cradle
18:17 oh okay now that's there they don't make
18:18 those anymore single white female now
18:20 it's all like lifetime Fatal Attraction
18:22 the OG Fatal Attraction like I love
18:25 those type of movies
18:27 um but now they're all just like Cheapo
18:28 Lifetime movies so I thought that's
18:30 where this was going
18:31 uh and it's like gets right on the edge
18:34 of becoming some sort of Thriller and
18:36 then everybody just cries and talks
18:37 about their feelings
18:44 it's like oh it's a drama now I guess I
18:47 was pleasantly surprised but I wasn't
18:49 schlock well let's uh uh uh we're gonna
18:52 do a little time quote thing where we
18:53 say the next movie is at this time so
18:55 we're gonna say spoilers for what comes
18:58 around if you want to watch it
18:59 uh yes there is a there is a twist it
19:03 turn into a bloodbath where the kids
19:07 breaking into the house and walking
19:08 around with a shotgun
19:11 you know there's a um it gets deeper
19:14 than that yeah well and Kyle gallner
19:16 going back to him specifically
19:18 with all of these performances he has
19:20 like a real intensity to him so he
19:22 always seems like he's on the edge and
19:24 you you're waiting for him do they have
19:25 some sort of like psychotic freak out
19:27 right and so like the first half of this
19:29 movie is like when's it gonna turn
19:30 when's it gonna turn some tension there
19:32 yeah definitely and then he just cries
19:36 before I talk about the premise I just
19:38 want to talk about the cast really quick
19:39 nepo babies the movie now I know you
19:42 were gonna say that
19:44 I don't like the term nepo babies I'm
19:47 gonna come up with a new term a more
19:50 Legacy artists oh there you go okay this
19:55 um uh filled with Legacy artists
19:58 although in some some cases you can
20:00 maybe use the term nipple baby for some
20:02 of the people but um
20:04 so I'm watching it and you know uh Kyle
20:07 gallner's in it and then I see many
20:10 names I recognize uh the the mom uh is
20:15 summer Phoenix and I'm like okay I I
20:18 don't know who that is but I am 100 sure
20:21 she's part of the the river uh Phoenix
20:25 uh Joaquin Phoenix rainbow Phoenix
20:29 well I said River Phoenix yeah Sunshine
20:32 Phoenix Rock Phoenix Rocks Phoenix
20:35 waterfall Phoenix magical unicorn
20:38 Phoenix like that all those kids from
20:41 that family all have like hippie names
20:44 and I was like she's got to be one of
20:45 and I was all right yeah okay and that's
20:47 an easy one and the main girl character
20:49 uh summer Phoenix's daughter is played
20:53 by an actress named Grace Van Dean
20:56 and I'm like vandene
21:03 oh van Casper Van Deen but this could be
21:07 uh uh from Dutch last name whatever it
21:11 is uh and then I looked it up
21:14 show enough yeah Casper's daughter then
21:18 I saw now she's like a twitch streamer
21:20 or something too oh there's like an
21:22 article about because she I guess she
21:23 was on the latest season of stranger
21:24 things she had like a bad experience I
21:26 don't know if it was on that or some
21:27 other set and she's like I don't want to
21:29 act anymore I'm just going to stream on
21:30 Twitch something like that so I don't
21:32 know how much acting she's gonna do
21:33 anymore but I saw an Affleck
21:36 and that's pretty uncommon name which
21:39 one of the movies in Affleck the awkward
21:42 kid with the long hair who like wants to
21:44 be her boyfriend oh okay she's like no I
21:47 date 28 year old dudes not you yeah
21:50 happy birthday I guess
21:53 RIT who apparently is a liar told me you
21:57 wouldn't be here so
22:01 um who had that really kind of not not
22:03 so great the line delivery yeah and then
22:05 he shows up in the park and he's like
22:06 kicking a soccer ball around yeah uh his
22:11 Affleck and he is the Son Of Summer
22:18 who used to be married to Casey Affleck
22:20 ah okay so they are related uh
22:27 begrudgingly call a nepo baby situation
22:30 um I don't know what his deal is he's
22:32 clearly young I don't know if he wants
22:34 she just said want you to be in this
22:36 film it would be fun but but for this
22:38 discussion we'll call him a legacy
22:40 artist okay okay uh and then
22:43 the final straw was the director Amy
22:47 well I've never heard of this is her
22:50 first feature and I said is that Robert
22:53 Redford's daughter what are the uh and
22:56 that it was it was never directed
22:58 anything before as far as movies she was
23:00 an actress yeah she acted in some stuff
23:03 not even a lot though but she's in her
23:05 50s I saw this is again the Craig wedra
23:07 and the music guy who did the music for
23:10 um she directed like a music video for
23:11 him or something so that's their
23:13 connection okay so she's worked on some
23:15 stuff but yeah just out of the blue I'm
23:17 gonna make a feature film now uh summer
23:20 Phoenix plays a mom
23:27 a cop named Tim well engaged engaged yes
23:30 sorry oh they're planning their wedding
23:32 yeah and they live in uh who's that cop
23:36 I don't know I don't know I I didn't go
23:38 through every cast member so there might
23:39 be more nepo but I mean Legacy artists
23:43 um no no so so they live in what really
23:47 looks like Colorado and I'm sure it is
23:50 it's probably where they all actually
23:53 live I was gonna say they shot it on
23:55 Robert Redford's ranch or something yeah
23:57 it looks like a very very nice Enclave
24:00 of of million dollar homes in this uh
24:03 cushy neighborhood Who
24:07 somehow a an ex-school teacher and a cop
24:11 can afford this house in Colorado but uh
24:14 we'll just set that aside
24:16 I'm okay with that it's fantasy it's
24:20 fiction the movie revolves around a
24:22 young girl named Anna and her her mom
24:24 Beth and Anna has been talking to a guy
24:27 named Eric on the internet FaceTime she
24:30 knows what he looks like
24:32 um and he lives 900 miles away
24:35 and they are having a budding Romance
24:41 her birthday he shows up unprompted at
24:44 her house and freaks her the [ __ ] out
24:48 rightfully so but the the movie after
24:52 you hit I didn't like it up until it hit
24:56 I was like I'm in I'm in this is
24:58 interesting now yeah the beginning The
25:01 Twist is we should say
25:03 um she tries to introduce him to her mom
25:06 and you can tell like there's something
25:07 weird and her mom immediately is like
25:09 against him not even just the fact that
25:12 he's older you can tell there's like
25:13 something there but they don't you don't
25:15 know right off the bat and then the
25:16 movie continues on right right so he's
25:20 uh he's there not just for because he's
25:23 in love with this girl he you tell he is
25:25 you could tell he has ulterior motives
25:31 about to turn 17 which must be the legal
25:35 age of consent in Colorado it's never
25:38 like specifically dealt with early on
25:40 like the bombs like oh you have a
25:42 boyfriend and she's like yeah he's older
25:44 I thought it was going to be all
25:46 loosey-goosey like Badlands like some
25:48 guy who comes in and you know hot rod
25:50 car and some girl who's 12 and they
25:52 started driving around and no one really
25:54 cares yeah I thought it was going to be
25:55 like laid back in like 1970s style not
25:58 like modern day where it's like no no
26:02 um so I was like tell me what's her age
26:04 is she [ __ ] legal age like what's
26:06 going on and then finally they they say
26:10 he waited to come visit you until right
26:12 after you turned 17. it's very explicit
26:15 and very intentional um and the the
26:19 beginning that's the direction of the
26:21 actors was a little like weird did you
26:24 get that like it's like I call it like
26:26 California people syndrome where they
26:28 act strange and you're just like yeah
26:30 and it's all just very loose yeah it
26:33 doesn't feel like a birthday party let's
26:35 do the tradition and put on hats
26:40 happy birthday to you
26:46 and she's like hahaha I made you a cake
26:49 I'm leaving now it's like out of touch
26:51 celebrities don't know how real people
26:52 act yeah well California people syndrome
26:56 okay I baked this vegan cake from
26:59 scratch I know you don't like sweets but
27:01 you have to at least try it okay one
27:03 bite and then we'll go
27:07 and where it's like yeah yeah yeah super
27:10 rich people are trying to imitate uh
27:12 Legacy artists are trying to imitate how
27:15 like real families operate in their
27:18 household than trying to it's like
27:19 aliens like aliens are trying to like
27:21 imitate what what people are doing yeah
27:24 yeah it has a little bit of that it's
27:25 like an America town in in the Soviet
27:27 Union like that's kind of what it felt
27:30 like so I'm like what's going on is this
27:31 like a dream like is is how old is she
27:35 yeah uh uh what's her name van Deen is
27:39 she's like 26. oh wow well that's good
27:42 casting then because she looks a lot
27:43 yeah she she could play much younger uh
27:46 so she was born in 96. Kyle gallner was
27:49 born in 86. okay so there's exactly
27:51 10-year difference and the movie version
27:53 she's supposed to be 17 he's supposed to
27:55 be 28. they're both playing a decade
27:57 younger uh the mom is uh she was born in
28:02 okay summer Phoenix so
28:04 um they're all like and then that that
28:06 links up with his age when uh what
28:09 happens in the movie happens you want to
28:13 tell the truth what truth that you were
28:15 in love with me as much as I was in love
28:17 with you I want to hear you say it out
28:19 loud uh gone there is good in it and
28:22 this is a gulner-centric episode so
28:24 we're talking about his performance well
28:25 I was gonna say yeah that as I don't
28:27 want to call him a creep because he has
28:29 he has solid motivation no and that's
28:31 that's the thing and that's what kind of
28:33 because when I realized that the movie
28:34 was going to become more of like a weepy
28:36 mellow drama I was like uh not my kind
28:39 of movie but it's not bad or anything uh
28:41 but he has a scene yeah in the the
28:43 towards the end of the movie like the
28:47 um Marie has to and this is where it
28:48 really feels very like stage play e
28:50 because he has to really emotes and and
28:52 get a lot out there and he does a great
28:54 job with it he kind of Acts circles
28:58 twig Phoenix or whatever summer Phoenix
29:01 so I mean yeah good performance and I I
29:04 don't know if it's the type of movie I
29:05 would ordinarily watch because I kept
29:08 waiting for it to turn into a lucky
29:09 Lifetime movie right the elements that
29:12 make it a drama are never just like
29:14 overdone I mean spoilers the uh the idea
29:21 uh Beth the mother had had an
29:25 inappropriate relationship with a
29:27 student who is under age uh back when
29:30 she was teaching school in another state
29:32 10 years ago 12 years ago something like
29:35 that yeah and that's Kyle gallner yes
29:37 and [ __ ] them up every character in
29:39 these movies is Kyle gallner getting
29:41 [ __ ] up from [ __ ] that happened when
29:42 he was a kid [ __ ] that happened when he
29:45 was on the set of nightmare I mean no no
29:48 um I mean Wet Hot American Summer this
29:50 whole career it's your job to make sure
29:52 that kids don't drown say it Johnny
29:58 you know yeah and um it's interesting
30:02 it's not totally spelled out like he's
30:05 there for Revenge uh the incident she
30:08 fully denied it of course she got in
30:10 trouble because no one really knew but
30:13 it messed his life up yeah and she's
30:15 like she's she's gaslighting him and
30:20 um well that never happened you just
30:22 imagined it you were you were in love
30:24 with me and you really and then he she
30:27 later admits that it really happened
30:29 then her character just keeps getting
30:32 worse and worse and you're like then you
30:34 start to sympathy sympathize with what
30:37 would be our bad guy the guy who's
30:39 invaded their life and really
30:41 he uh it's a Revenge movie A Revenge
30:45 drama because he's there to he [ __ ] up
30:47 their relationship between the daughter
30:50 and the mom he just he just does a
30:52 little wrecking ball act through their
30:54 little family and then this husband
30:55 knows about it and uh he doesn't really
30:59 he doesn't want to go to the police he
31:00 doesn't want her to get arrested he just
31:02 wants to it's about emotional Revenge
31:04 emotionally Revenge he's not uh shoving
31:08 their pets in the dryer or anything like
31:10 that they're cooking their rabbit no
31:12 yeah it's not it's not physical violence
31:14 it's not like you know he's he he
31:17 emotionally Revenge their family
31:20 and then he's he's out seeing a little
31:23 bit Yeah and and you're like oh he's uh
31:27 it doesn't have that scene where they
31:28 end up thinking of Hand That Rocks the
31:30 Cradle they're up in the attic and they
31:31 push him out the window right right it
31:33 doesn't have any of that over the top
31:34 nonsense yeah um he's he just vanishes
31:37 he breaks the girl's heart
31:39 um and he [ __ ] the mom's life up it's
31:42 like the cycle will continue it's like a
31:44 love of ruining the lives of children
31:47 right he lays the groundwork for a
31:49 future bad trauma in their family and
31:51 then you're like okay well she had a
31:54 happy life she had a multi-million
31:56 dollar mansion in a Colorado wealthy
31:58 Suburban Enclave living next door to
32:01 Robert Redford and uh uh she was happily
32:07 living her life having gotten away with
32:11 and getting getting away scot-free and
32:14 uh you know he more or less an anti-hero
32:19 and I'm like good for it was a happy
32:21 ending it's a conflicted ending
32:29 and I think that's what I liked about it
32:30 and the one other thing I wanted to
32:32 mention before we move on is I
32:34 absolutely hated the sound design dude I
32:38 can't blame you for expanding your
32:40 horizon these boys are still boys
32:52 it was so you might not just remember
32:55 right now but well I was painting was so
32:57 [ __ ] distracting when I noticed Craig
32:59 Roger's name at the beginning I was
33:01 paying more close attention to the music
33:03 than I probably normally would
33:05 and it almost feel I kept waiting for it
33:07 to turn into like parody because of his
33:09 music and because of like my association
33:11 with him and like wet out American
33:21 and then it's like always on the edge of
33:24 turning into an over-the-top Lifetime
33:26 movie I kept waiting for that to happen
33:27 yeah I don't know anything about this
33:29 this guy but um there's a scene where
33:32 that this sticks out whether in the park
33:34 and they're talking about something like
33:35 she goes off with him to talk privately
33:37 in a park and there's like weird music
33:39 playing and I'm like what it what what's
33:41 the tone what am I doing
33:44 first met met Eric I met you like half
33:52 caring you're like a million
33:57 I knew I didn't want to lose something
33:59 with so much potential the music wipe it
34:03 all clean and redo it and and I think it
34:06 would change a lot in the movie because
34:09 it was horribly distracting for me and
34:11 that's just that's just my opinion
34:31 thank you for giving me life
34:37 in the house so we have uh
34:41 mother may I which uh has that a24 vibe
34:59 yeah well I didn't watch the trailer but
35:01 the movie does too that very kind of
35:02 minimalists lots of strings the score is
35:05 very 70s strings and piano
35:10 slow zooms all the stuff I love I should
35:14 have loved this movie but it just the
35:16 story didn't didn't uh didn't grip me it
35:19 was a little too loosey-goosey for me
35:21 the setup is good uh Kyle gallner's mom
35:23 has died he didn't have a very close
35:26 relationship with her but him and his
35:27 girlfriend go to the mother's house to
35:29 get their fares in order get it ready to
35:32 sell but then his girlfriend starts to
35:35 act like his mother
35:37 and he thinks it's a game at first
35:38 because they do like a uh couple's
35:40 therapy yeah they set that up where it's
35:42 like they pretend they're the other one
35:45 to you know as like a therapy uh
35:48 exercise and and she is not a therapist
35:51 but I one of her parents is something
35:54 yeah and he he has those moments when he
35:57 like cuts her down like brutally again
35:59 another great Kyle Calder performance
36:01 he's getting this one too
36:03 um this is closer to like uh I don't
36:05 know the shining the early parts of The
36:07 Shining before Jack Nicholson goes
36:09 completely notes yeah kind of that type
36:11 of performance hereditary Vibe yeah kind
36:13 of thing going on there but then yeah
36:15 she starts acting like his mother
36:16 wearing her clothes putting on her
36:18 lipstick she starts smoking uh they make
36:21 a point of saying that she can't swim
36:22 yeah but but Kyle gallner's mother can
36:25 so then he sees her out there and she
36:27 can swim clear setup yeah early on like
36:30 let me take you out to the lake in here
36:31 and help try to swim it's help you learn
36:33 to swim she freaks out so all these
36:35 things where it's like oh is it Ashley
36:37 she possessed by his mother what's
36:39 happening well they uh
36:41 for some reason they eat magic mushrooms
36:44 yeah which is sort of like the uh you
36:47 know the question mark is is she still
36:50 suffering from a hallucinogenic effects
36:53 of the mushrooms and has she gone mad
36:55 and so that that gives like that grounds
36:57 it sort of yeah his reacting to that to
37:02 her bizarre behavior I think probably
37:04 needed to be a little more more grounded
37:07 and concrete like what what are you
37:09 doing let's get the [ __ ] out of here get
37:10 in the car we're leaving yeah like he's
37:12 just like why do you keep saying these
37:14 things yeah there's a lot of that in the
37:16 middle of the movie come on this is
37:25 but it is it is sort of set up that they
37:27 do the thing and she's trying to do some
37:30 kind of like amateur therapy yeah
37:33 um and he is not responding well to it
37:36 because it's not just the situation of
37:38 him being estranged from his mother
37:40 there's some stuff from the past the
37:46 um he thinks she abandoned him but
37:49 really he was taken away for child abuse
37:52 he broke his foot she was a rising
37:56 dancing ballet star who got pregnant and
38:00 kept him and he kind of ruined her life
38:02 so she kind of took it out on him and I
38:03 think she was an alcoholic right
38:05 um so lots going on in the past and he
38:09 doesn't want to deal with it it kind of
38:10 seems like his girlfriend's forcing him
38:12 to and and it's ambiguous whether or not
38:14 it is the good evil ghost of the mother
38:17 or not depends what you believe
38:23 I believe it was the ghost
38:33 the ending uh the ending sold me well
38:36 again spoilers for this movie spoilers
38:38 and clicks of this next link or whatever
38:40 you want to do to click to write after
38:42 this next ad break uh yeah so halfway
38:45 through the movie maybe a little more
38:47 than halfway she kind of snaps back into
38:49 reality and becomes normal again yeah
38:51 she wakes up what the [ __ ] happened she
38:55 um so that's kind of nice that it's not
38:56 just like this ramp up if she gets more
38:58 and more like the mother and then they
39:00 have some fight or something right like
39:02 it kind of takes another turn it doesn't
39:04 turn into someone trying to kill someone
39:06 with a shotgun yes yes but yeah uh
39:09 Holland Roden plays Anya
39:13 and Kyle gallner plays Emmett those are
39:16 the two main characters we should talk
39:17 about her performance tunes and just she
39:19 did good really good she's just a Kyle
39:22 gallner show although this is it is Kyle
39:25 Garner triple features spectacular no
39:28 she's good I looked her up because I
39:30 didn't I guess she was on that Teen Wolf
39:32 MTV show it's like oh I guess she's
39:34 known from that because that was a
39:36 popular show I never watched it but it's
39:38 funny because I was looking at her
39:39 credits and they did there was the the
39:41 Teen Wolf TV show then after that I
39:43 guess they did a movie version of it so
39:45 it's called Teen Wolf the movie and it's
39:48 like well that's Teen Wolf with Michael
39:50 J fox that's the end of the movie
39:53 to differentiate they called it Teen
39:55 Wolf colon the movie based on the MTV
39:58 series I don't want to give Hollywood
40:00 any ideas but what about tween wolf oh
40:03 my lord well get meta
40:10 a 12 year old is hired to star in a film
40:12 called tween wolf okay uh and he's on
40:17 the boys wrestling team
40:19 and uh when he gets his adrenaline going
40:25 in the movie they're making they're
40:27 making okay he signs all the paperwork
40:30 he's like I'm ready to shoot the film
40:33 it's being directed by Brian Singer
40:37 and then the rest of the movie is a
40:38 courtroom drama of him trying to get out
40:42 and there is no Teen Wolf okay okay and
40:46 that's that's the movie I like it it's
40:48 just legal it's like like Oppenheimer
40:50 it's just a nice yeah endless movie's
40:53 gonna be about making to the bomb and
40:54 make it look like an action film oh it's
40:56 just people talking in a tiny room when
40:58 we get to the tween wolf
41:01 we could have one scene where he does
41:03 like a costume fitting yeah so you can
41:05 see him in the costume and they put that
41:07 in the trailer they put it on the poster
41:08 there's a scene where they they do that
41:10 like your kid wants to be in the next
41:13 Disney movie come down to your local
41:15 mall and there's there's a man in the
41:18 like a like a trench coat it's like
41:20 smoking a cigarette in the shadows he's
41:23 the next tween wolf anyways that was a
41:26 that was quite the quite the Divergent
41:29 from our storyline dark sky films give
41:31 us a call don't make tween mouth tween
41:33 wolf uh it's gonna be great it's gonna
41:35 be great lots of slow zooms and pianos
41:40 but yeah I think that's where this movie
41:42 held my interest the least of the three
41:45 it has its set up it has its premise and
41:48 then it just doesn't feel like it's
41:49 building towards anything for a large
41:51 chunk of the middle of the movie I think
41:53 there was enough little moments that uh
41:55 kept it afloat no pun intended there's a
41:59 neighbor guy that shows up and gives
42:01 some more information there's the scene
42:02 where the drowning they're on the boat
42:05 and he pushes her in the water oh yeah
42:07 to uh to see if she's really his mother
42:10 because I am my mother yeah and then uh
42:13 that freaks her the [ __ ] out because she
42:15 almost drowns she's no longer and then
42:17 the next scene started like getting in
42:19 the car and leaving and that was like a
42:20 classic comedy cut yeah
42:23 um not intentionally but it made me
42:24 chuckle a little bit but again the the
42:27 purpose of this is that we watched three
42:31 movies that are lower budgeted not big
42:37 horror movies and they're well made they
42:43 um the the the acting is is for the most
42:47 part and all of them is really good and
42:49 I didn't know what to expect yes when
42:51 like you were talking about Scream Six
42:53 it's like you know exactly what it's
42:55 gonna say or even I watched Insidious
42:57 the red door and I'm just like okay or
42:59 whatever that's when you know you're
43:01 gonna get those long stretches of quiet
43:02 and it's going to end with a giant loud
43:04 jump scare this movie doesn't have any
43:06 of that it's all atmosphere which I
43:08 liked it's it's uh it's all atmosphere
43:12 it's a little slow burn but it doesn't
43:14 end and people try to kill each other's
43:16 shotguns there's a little twist and then
43:18 the very ending which I won't spoil is
43:20 is how the couple who is in desperate
43:24 need of therapy find a really creepy way
43:27 to connect with each other yeah and
43:30 that's your like that's your ultimate
43:32 goal of what the film is aiming towards
43:34 is is a very very dysfunctional
43:37 relationship that can Now function in a
43:41 very [ __ ] up through dysfunction
43:42 through dysfunction and that's that's I
43:45 take that over shotguns and stabbings
43:47 and pushing people out of the Attic
43:49 Window onto the ground while they get
43:51 impaled on a sundial yeah
43:55 as the camera booms up because I've seen
43:57 that before and watching these three
44:00 I got the premise but each trailer set
44:05 and then kind of like pulled the rug out
44:07 from you from under you where it was
44:09 going and I didn't know where any of
44:11 them were going yep and they didn't need
44:14 to cost 600 million dollars to make
44:18 to keep me interested and entertained
44:20 they probably made their budget back
44:22 from just our two rentals right right
44:26 um especially with the last film The the
44:28 passenger like yeah like I what I got
44:31 from the trailer was
44:32 a little different than what played out
44:35 throughout the movie I was expect also
44:37 expecting something different first
44:38 movie uh boyfriend Revenge fear with
44:42 Mark Wahlberg the second movie uh
44:47 takes possession and starts stabbing
44:50 people until we have to call uh uh Ghost
44:54 Hunters to come and
44:56 just go like this with a cross and then
44:59 the house explodes and she flies up in
45:01 the air on a chair and spins around
45:03 shooting blood out of her eyes and mouth
45:05 and then uh what's her face shows up uh
45:09 linshay Lindsay Insidious movies what
45:13 you have here is a ghost thanks Lynn
45:17 Shane one thing that helps especially
45:20 this second movie a lot is going back to
45:22 Kyle gallner good performance helps
45:25 Elevate the whole thing you could have
45:26 the same movie like I said I love the
45:28 way it's executed I like all the zooms
45:30 and stuff but you get just like lesser
45:32 actors in those roles and you have like
45:34 nothing to hook you in nothing to
45:36 connect with which I guess will lead
45:38 into our third movie because I thought
45:40 that was the strongest as far as
45:41 character stuff goes
45:42 uh the passenger the passenger after
46:06 if I'm gonna help you then I can't have
46:09 you getting in my way
46:12 because it forces me to hurt you so it's
46:16 time to talk about the passenger our
46:18 final film and our Kyle gallner triple
46:22 feature spectacular in my opinion the
46:24 best one to go out on this was my
46:26 favorite of the three maybe mine too
46:28 although it's pretty even I think it's
46:30 very even I think the other two are
46:32 pretty even there's things I liked about
46:36 um but they didn't completely work for
46:37 me but this one completely worked for me
46:39 I like this one a lot okay
46:42 also I think probably I'm not gonna say
46:44 the best Kyle gallner performance of the
46:46 three but definitely the most like
46:51 close to being over the top he never
46:53 goes too far with it yeah but it's
46:55 definitely a more uh
46:57 showcase showcase yeah more I mean he's
47:00 basically Tyler Durden he's dressling
47:02 Tyler durden's funny you mentioned that
47:04 Tyler Durden meets Macaulay Culkin
47:07 oh he looks like a a young Crispin
47:10 Glover I don't see him in profile yeah
47:13 yeah that's Johnny Burch told who
47:15 starred in the film snowfall that's so
47:18 funny I didn't even recognize him uh but
47:20 yeah he's basically Johnny Burch what
47:22 Birch told Birch told
47:25 b-r-c-h-t-o-l-d he's very young I'm in a
47:28 lot of stuff yeah his character is very
47:30 like quiet and introverted and Kyle
47:33 gallner is basically his ID he's uh uh
47:36 forcing him to deal with issues in his
47:38 life and horribly violent and
47:40 over-the-top ways and that's the movie
47:42 yeah they both movies should be called
47:47 because that's what it's all about
47:50 um whether you're a uh the driver or a
47:54 passenger in the vehicle of life it's
47:57 very metaphorical this is another one
48:00 where I saw the trailer
48:02 uh because you did not see the trailer I
48:04 didn't watch the trailer for any of
48:05 these I just went into the movies
48:06 completely blind I got the bit the
48:09 trailer it tells you the premise which
48:12 um Kyle gallner and uh Johnny Burch
48:15 trolled Johnny Burch troll plays a guy
48:19 his name is uh well Kyle gallner's name
48:22 is Benson the other guy's name is uh
48:24 hold on it's like Randy Randy
48:27 but he goes by his last name
48:33 scripts from the last 18 episodes laid
48:36 on the floor Andy uh oh Bradley Randy
48:39 Bradley Randy Bradley so his boss at
48:41 work calls him Bradley and it's shocked
48:43 to learn that that's not his first name
48:44 right because he's too timid or shy to
48:47 even bother to correct anybody that's
48:49 the character he is like uh what's his
48:52 face from Parks and Rec
48:56 Jerry Jerry yeah yes
48:59 um where he he didn't want to correct
49:01 someone so it's just scary right so um
49:04 but they both work in a burger joint
49:07 uh in the middle of Louisiana the
49:11 dumpiest grossest little place that's
49:13 when the movie started similar to the
49:14 way you were talking about uh uh what
49:16 comes around how it's like when it
49:18 starts you're like I don't know about
49:19 this because I I liked the like the
49:21 opening shot you see him getting out of
49:23 his house and everything's so like dumpy
49:25 and desolate it reminded me of um red
49:27 rocket I was thinking that yeah you see
49:28 those Big Smoke Stacks behind him a
49:30 little on the nose but when he but when
49:32 he gets to the uh the the burger place I
49:35 was like okay this is an abandoned
49:36 building they found that they quickly
49:38 slapped together a set because it's so
49:40 Barren but then like once you kind of
49:42 get into the tone of the movie it's like
49:43 wow okay there are places like this that
49:47 um so I kind of got used to it but some
49:49 of his co-workers his uh [ __ ]
49:51 co-worker buddy who's like making out
49:53 with his girlfriend over the top it's
49:55 very over there that's that's what took
49:56 me out of the movie at first at first uh
49:58 but then you have this like shocking
50:01 burst of violence uh and you're like oh
50:04 okay I have no idea where this is going
50:06 now there's murder in the burger place
50:09 are in the trailer oh okay so they just
50:12 kind of it's done very like it's edited
50:15 very Tastefully where it just kind of
50:16 shows like a splatter of blood and he's
50:18 firing the gun and you know like he does
50:20 like a workplace shooting the premise is
50:24 is that uh Kyle gallner snaps kills
50:28 everyone in in the restaurant but
50:31 Bradley who is like shaking and he's
50:34 scared and uh Kyle gallner's character
50:37 sees something in him that he wants to
50:39 sort of mold or fix yeah because he's
50:42 just so shy and pathetic yeah the uh the
50:44 [ __ ] guy makes him eat like a Dusty
50:47 old burger that was sitting under the
50:48 heat Lambs overnights and yeah and and
50:51 the important thing about Kyle Gardner
50:53 shooting up the place is that it doesn't
50:55 seem premeditated it almost seems like
50:57 just spur of the moment idea right it
50:59 doesn't seem like you know you don't
51:00 have that scene early on where he's like
51:02 getting the gun and putting his trunk
51:04 like today I'm going to go to work and
51:05 do this right it just seems like oh I'm
51:07 just gonna do this now yeah to the point
51:10 where I when by the time they got to
51:17 uh movies equivalent of a Build-A-Bear
51:19 Workshop yeah I was like I had the fight
51:23 club suspicion in my head I was at that
51:27 point he had changed into his like
51:29 that's when he's in his style of dirt
51:30 and clothes yeah yeah he's got the fuzzy
51:33 jacket and it's it's like the the Kurt
51:36 Cobain unplugged yeah and he's wearing
51:40 uh Donnie Darko t-shirt is that what
51:43 that is it's like the Bunny with the
51:45 skull face it was some sort of design
51:46 and that's what Donnie Darko is it's
51:48 like an imaginary thing
51:50 um so it's like okay it's a little
51:54 but um and then they take him to the
51:57 Build-a-Bear place because that's where
51:59 his ex-girlfriend works yeah she broke
52:02 up with him and he never really
52:03 understood why so Kyle going there's
52:05 like well go find out go just [ __ ]
52:06 ask her Benson really wants Bradley to
52:11 own up and to take take action to do
52:15 something he is he is spineless he is uh
52:18 scared and all that comes from a place
52:22 they both have backstories yeah one one
52:25 given explicitly in one that's left very
52:27 vague one's pretty vague
52:31 well they don't have a they don't have a
52:33 a speech where he says what happens
52:35 which uh the main characters Phoebe
52:38 Cates fireplace speech no no but uh the
52:41 Bradley has one of those yes which is
52:44 necessary because he's he's the main
52:45 character but but until the girlfriend
52:49 um Benson is there at that point I'm
52:52 like is he is he just gonna be imaginary
52:53 yeah they can't that's way too way too
52:56 much like Flight Club and that would be
52:58 terrible luckily it doesn't do that yeah
53:01 they go on a wacky Road Trip Around Town
53:04 all over the course of one day I like
53:05 movies structured like that too yeah
53:07 they they after killing everyone in the
53:09 restaurant uh that's when the movie
53:11 really takes off because I I just did
53:15 the unrealistic cartoony nature of the
53:18 co-workers and how like over the top
53:20 they were yeah way too way too much
53:24 I mean I enjoyed watching them get
53:26 murdered because they were awful I'm
53:28 assuming that's why they painted them so
53:30 over the top was so when they die you
53:32 don't feel anything
53:33 but when the movie starts it yeah it
53:36 takes a while to get into it because
53:37 it's so awkward and phony feeling I
53:41 guess the abuse had to be extreme
53:45 we are led to believe that Benson the
53:48 Kyle gallinar character who's gone nuts
53:50 had a history of abuse
53:54 most likely when he was a child by a
53:57 former teacher so when he sees that kind
54:03 abuse that was what triggered him into
54:06 going out to his car to get a shotgun
54:08 and lay waste to everyone in this place
54:12 um and so yeah they hide the bodies and
54:14 they calculated we've got about seven
54:16 hours until somebody figures this out
54:17 what are we gonna do let's just go have
54:22 there's Thelma and Louise in it all over
54:27 but the only reason that Bradley goes
54:28 along with it is because he's so yeah
54:30 intimidated to to stand up for himself
54:33 so he just goes along with whatever call
54:35 gone there throws at him one character
54:37 is very reactionary
54:43 uh violence impulsive and one character
54:45 is the total opposite and um it's it's
54:48 they're not like working together to do
54:50 something they're just he's this
54:54 um and you don't know where it's going
54:55 did you pick up on any like between the
54:58 two of them sort of like subtle
55:00 homoerotic like maybe Kyle gallner has a
55:03 thing for him Beyond just trying to help
55:07 because I was trying to figure out I
55:08 don't know anything about this director
55:09 he did a movie last year called
55:10 swallowed uh which is explicitly gay
55:16 um as the main villain in the movie he
55:17 casts uh Mark Patton who was the star of
55:20 Nightmare on Elm Street 2 who left
55:21 acting for the longest time and
55:23 obviously that's a famously gay coded
55:26 movie so I don't know if he's gay I
55:29 don't know if that was an intentional uh
55:31 kind of undercurrent of this movie
55:35 that stuff Chris was saying about you
55:37 not having a girlfriend is that true
55:40 got a new girlfriend huh boyfriend
55:51 I kind of picked up on a little bit in
55:52 some of their scenes in the car together
55:54 if that is something that is in Benson's
55:57 like like box of trauma or things that
56:02 have like because he was molested you
56:04 know apparently yeah the movie doesn't
56:06 say that but it doesn't say that but he
56:09 beats the [ __ ] up he runs into well he
56:11 makes uh Bradley go to his old
56:12 elementary school to find the teacher
56:16 that basically set off why Bradley is so
56:20 timid and shy there's an accident when
56:22 he's a little kid so they go to the
56:23 school to find that teacher and Benson
56:26 runs into a teacher that he has a
56:28 history with that they never explicitly
56:30 say what happened but when they go to
56:32 the parking lot he just beats the [ __ ]
56:34 out of the guy so you can infer it's
56:37 nice that they didn't paint that out for
56:39 you but you get it yes it's pretty
56:42 um so I mean that's possible uh
56:46 I I I didn't get a kind of a romantic
56:50 Vibe although you know having as much
56:54 subtext and ambiguity is great because
56:57 it lets you lets you think it out I had
56:59 this super weird thought
57:03 of a father-son kind of situation
57:13 um I forgot his name Kyle gallner I
57:15 literally forgot his name
57:17 and I'm so embarrassed
57:19 that's the whole episode's about
57:23 um he's he's like 36 something and like
57:28 the other kid is probably 20 in the
57:30 movie He's supposed to be 21. right they
57:32 never really say what Benson's age is
57:34 but it's like in in the realm of
57:37 possibility where it could have followed
57:39 the storyline from the the other movie
57:44 where he had some kind of like incident
57:47 molestation or a sexual assault from a
57:51 teacher or something and he goes and
57:52 he's working at the restaurant because
57:54 there's a scene in the car where
57:56 he asks he's like so you got a
57:58 girlfriend and it seemed very fatherly
58:01 oh sure he's like he's like so you yes
58:03 him if he's gay yeah and he's like not
58:06 that that would matter really but I'm
58:07 just curious and then he goes no no he's
58:09 like you got a girlfriend it's kind of
58:11 seemed like a father who's reconnecting
58:14 many years later knows nothing about him
58:17 trying to get to know him again yeah
58:18 like why would he care he starts working
58:20 at the restaurant that he works at yeah
58:21 and so I'm like is that where this is
58:23 going it's either going Fight Club and
58:25 then it just does none of that no they'd
58:27 keep it super simple I mean like you
58:28 said there could be things
58:30 some textually that are going on there
58:32 but I like that they keep it so straight
58:34 on the surface level right I mean yeah
58:37 his his rage could be from repressed
58:44 homosexualness or the trauma from being
58:48 molested uh and it's just been building
58:56 dark Rampage he sees
58:59 uh Bradley as just this like doe-eyed
59:03 like Sad Sack and he wants to try to
59:07 mold him and give him something that he
59:11 has too much of yeah which is uh agency
59:15 why'd your girlfriend leave you I don't
59:17 know her cat died and then we stopped
59:19 talking you don't [ __ ] follow up with
59:22 well where is she she works at the mall
59:26 well go talk to her and find out what
59:28 the [ __ ] happened and that that's when I
59:29 realized that the uh the sparseness of
59:31 the The Burger Joint at the beginning
59:33 was intentional because they go to that
59:34 mall yeah and it's just like abandoned
59:37 like five stores are open in the whole
59:39 place yeah first I thought they're going
59:40 to a mall it's going to be crowded now
59:42 they're going to be on cameras and
59:43 everyone's in this thing now I don't
59:45 know where they shot this movie but it's
59:46 like the perfect setting for this uh the
59:49 the aesthetic of the movie it was also
59:52 very clearly an abandoned Mall oh sure
59:54 when they're leaving you could see a lot
59:57 of weeds overgrown in the parking lot
01:00:00 but that makes sense and then they go to
01:00:02 the Build-A-Bear and thematically that's
01:00:04 a good place yeah because the girl could
01:00:06 have worked at any kind of store in the
01:00:08 mall but they picked one that is uh
01:00:11 Geared for children because they both
01:00:14 had childhood dramas yeah and the
01:00:17 they're not Bears they're like
01:00:18 alligators there's like an alley there's
01:00:19 a couple different animals but they
01:00:21 start as a blank slate and you have to
01:00:22 build on top of it and yep yep nope it's
01:00:25 good stuff him talking about how he
01:00:27 wanted to be a giraffe is a little on
01:00:28 the nose at the end because that's the
01:00:30 animal that he picks they attach as a
01:00:34 there's your repressed on the section
01:00:36 yeah there you go a lot going on in this
01:00:39 little movie yeah it's such a simple
01:00:41 story wise it's very simple uh it has
01:00:43 these occasional bursts of violence that
01:00:46 don't feel gratuitous I mean they're
01:00:48 violent that opening shootout is violent
01:00:50 yeah but it kind of like jolts you awake
01:00:52 and then it becomes more character based
01:00:54 so it only has a couple moments like
01:00:56 that it's all like balanced really well
01:00:58 I thought yeah the beating of the
01:01:00 teacher yeah they go into the school and
01:01:03 that all works too because like
01:01:05 it's it seems very rural and it's
01:01:09 believable that in a rural kind of
01:01:11 setting uh some old grandma working at
01:01:13 the middle school would actually hand
01:01:15 out the address of a teacher yeah oh
01:01:18 in a more populated city they'd be like
01:01:24 but uh but once once Kyle gallner
01:01:26 explains to her who he is it's like
01:01:28 everybody knows this kid this is like
01:01:29 legendary that he knocked out this
01:01:31 teacher's eyeball it's so it's such a
01:01:34 weird weird dramatic thing yeah but it's
01:01:38 small town I think they even say like
01:01:39 they give the population early on it's
01:01:42 like I don't know 10 000 people or
01:01:45 um so it's like yeah word travels in a
01:01:48 small town and that [ __ ] sticks around
01:01:50 forever so yeah it that works perfectly
01:01:58 I will say that made me think of there's
01:01:59 a couple bursts of CG blood this stands
01:02:02 out a little bit it's not too much but
01:02:05 it's always noticeable you know the
01:02:07 blood in the in the burger joint
01:02:11 great I think uh you don't want to
01:02:13 speculate but the
01:02:15 Diner might have been an actual Diner uh
01:02:18 and I think the burger joints that drove
01:02:23 because uh I could see the the top of
01:02:27 the wall that's where I assumed yeah I
01:02:29 mean some places have like an open
01:02:31 ceiling like that because like it looks
01:02:32 like they quickly put the set together
01:02:34 it looks like a set and I I would like a
01:02:37 drop down ceiling with like years of
01:02:40 smoke stains on it and grease stains
01:02:43 yeah would have given it it would have
01:02:44 been an easy fix like it could have cost
01:02:47 a hundred bucks you put a bad drop down
01:02:50 ceiling in there and age it yellow and
01:02:53 gross and then they only have the
01:02:54 register up there that's dust all over
01:02:57 it and this is it looked like that was
01:03:00 the top of the set that was in frame
01:03:02 even though it wasn't and
01:03:05 one thing two real driving
01:03:09 yeah I can't tell you how much I
01:03:13 appreciate real driving and that will
01:03:16 come up more in movies of this budget
01:03:21 and and often times I'm sitting there
01:03:24 going because I know they they drag cars
01:03:28 buy like a truck yeah uh or they'll have
01:03:31 a driver like remotely driving the car
01:03:33 so the actor doesn't have to do it or
01:03:34 whatever I think they were really
01:03:36 driving the car and uh I hate the rear
01:03:40 screen project it's always noticeable to
01:03:43 me it's very rarely well done enough to
01:03:45 where it doesn't stick out to me all
01:03:47 right and and when you're watching a
01:03:48 movie like this where it's you're
01:03:50 supposed to believe
01:03:52 It's a drama everything's so like grimy
01:03:55 and gross like yeah you can't do that
01:03:57 there was something I was watching
01:03:59 recently that it was
01:04:00 like super obvious green screen and I
01:04:04 can't remember sometimes like the
01:04:05 Whatever video they're playing on the
01:04:06 rear screen projection is like the wrong
01:04:08 frame rate oh I've seen it yeah I've
01:04:11 seen ones where there's like a little
01:04:12 bit of like jumpiness to the outs
01:04:14 outdoor footage that doesn't and then
01:04:16 the interior of the car is like
01:04:18 completely still like there's so many
01:04:20 ways to [ __ ] it up
01:04:21 just drag a car behind a truck
01:04:27 because at the start of this video I
01:04:28 talked about my job in Couples Retreat
01:04:32 oh oh and my job and Couples Retreat
01:04:35 coincidentally since we're on this
01:04:37 subject matter was the car in the soon
01:04:42 to be projected rear screen projection
01:04:44 they were shooting the background plate
01:04:46 they were showing the background plate
01:04:48 of a scene where Vince Vaughn and uh
01:04:51 whoever his wife was it's Melinda
01:04:53 Ackerman yeah she's in that where
01:04:55 they're driving their nasty dirty van in
01:04:57 Chicago before they go to their Couple's
01:05:00 Retreat and the background plate they
01:05:02 needed one specific car to drive behind
01:05:05 them for continuity yeah
01:05:08 so I drove behind a car that had a big
01:05:11 35 millimeter camera rigged on it and I
01:05:15 followed the car
01:05:16 around streets and blocks and blocks in
01:05:20 the streets they had me Park
01:05:22 we're going around to reload the camera
01:05:24 we'll be back in four hours
01:05:28 and I and there I had a walkie and I'm
01:05:32 like okay don't leave I I have to go pee
01:05:36 don't leave your car we'll be back in
01:05:39 four hours with a freshly loaded camera
01:05:49 they came back and we drove around again
01:05:53 and we drove around
01:05:55 and I was driving the car
01:05:57 and then they parked
01:05:59 I went back to the neighborhood and
01:06:01 parked along the side and they said
01:06:03 we'll be back in four hours we got it
01:06:07 and I said I have to go
01:06:10 piss it's been like nine hours okay and
01:06:14 so I said [ __ ] it
01:06:16 I started up my car I said I'm leaving
01:06:20 and I drove to a gas station and I had
01:06:23 my walkie on just in case they said
01:06:25 we're ready yeah and it's like
01:06:29 camera car coming around coming around
01:06:31 film reloaded film reload and oh God I
01:06:34 got up to you real quick
01:06:37 and the people in the gas station are
01:06:40 here in Milwaukee go off and again jump
01:06:42 in my car and I speed back to the the
01:06:44 the point of return to the point of uh
01:06:47 the connection where the the film camera
01:06:49 on the back of the pickup truck was
01:06:51 gonna start filming again
01:07:01 had a problem loading the films oh my
01:07:05 God I went and took a leak
01:07:07 then the whole scene got cut but this
01:07:11 was uh uh an enjoyable film yeah this is
01:07:15 my favorite of the three
01:07:18 I think I I like I mentioned uh what
01:07:21 comes around is a movie Once I watched
01:07:24 it and kind of knew what it was it's
01:07:25 probably not the kind of movie I would
01:07:27 seek out uh but I would wholeheartedly
01:07:30 recommend this I thought all three
01:07:32 movies were good yeah and if we're if
01:07:34 we're going with the Kyle gallner theme
01:07:36 he's great in all three of them yeah
01:07:39 different different types of
01:07:40 performances in all three
01:07:43 um so yeah good for him he's he's a
01:07:46 working actor he works hashtag support
01:07:49 in the film or whatever the hashtags are
01:07:51 because I'm I'm down with watching uh
01:07:54 dark sky films or whatever whatever
01:07:58 creep above the the standard that I
01:08:02 won't go below sure
01:08:10 I I don't want to say don't want to give
01:08:13 like super low budget movies a chance
01:08:15 but if it has a decent cast
01:08:19 if it has some good ratings some some
01:08:22 positive reviews
01:08:24 um I feel like I'm in good hands you
01:08:26 know what I mean like like when I
01:08:28 watched all three of these movies I felt
01:08:31 I'm I'm gonna be taken somewhere I'm not
01:08:34 expecting I'm it's not just a like a
01:08:37 cash grab trash movie like a Asylum film
01:08:40 or something I'm not gonna waste my time
01:08:41 with that well the poster is more
01:08:43 important than the quality of the actual
01:08:45 film Yeah just something to get someone
01:08:46 to click yeah Tyler
01:08:56 even if it seems like it's trying to be
01:08:58 an a24 knockoff give it a shot
01:09:01 um so yes my my hashtag supportnd film
01:09:04 comes with an asterisk next to it liking
01:09:06 lower budget movies doesn't mean you
01:09:07 have to support all independent film
01:09:11 clown Hotel Massacre three
01:09:15 it's okay to say that [ __ ] it's okay
01:09:19 still a free country and we're still
01:09:21 entitled to our opinions without being
01:09:24 harassed into some kind of hashtag
01:09:27 support system I'll say whatever the
