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No Priors Ep. 26 | With Weights & Biases CEO Lukas Biewald

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Lucas Bewald, CEO of Weights and Biases, discusses his journey from studying machine learning under Daphne Koller to founding a company focused on data labeling. He highlights the challenges faced in growing the company, the evolution of machine learning tools, and the importance of adapting to changes in the industry. The speaker emphasizes the need for quality tools for building and deploying machine learning models effectively. They also discuss the trend of utilizing pre-trained language models and the potential of machine learning in various industries like pharmaceuticals, agriculture, and fintech. The speaker underscores the importance of customer needs and market fit in developing successful products.

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Lucas Bewald discusses his journey from game obsession to studying machine learning at Stanford under Daphne Koller.
00:51
Bewald emphasizes Koller's dedication to teaching and her significant impact on his career.
Reflecting on the evolution of machine learning, Bewald stresses the importance of clear, logical thinking in the field.
Koller's focus on Bayes Nets and aversion to sloppy thinking influenced Bewald's problem-solving approach.
Speaker's struggles with research under Daphne's guidance.
03:04
Word Sense disambiguation was the main focus, trying to determine the meaning of words in different contexts.
Linguistic-oriented strategies were found to be ineffective.
Feeding more data and focusing on outcomes yielded better results.
Speaker expresses frustration with the process and considers it a dead end.
Importance of training data in machine learning algorithms.
05:17
Declined offer from Google to work at Yahoo on search ranking in different languages.
Developed a company where ML practitioners have control over training data collection process.
Emphasized the need for visibility and involvement in the training data process.
Highlighted inefficiencies of traditional manual approaches.
Challenges faced in the early days of starting a data labeling company.
08:02
Travis Kalanick's advice to keep AI and VCs quiet during startup.
Limited knowledge on raising funds and navigating the startup scene.
Overcoming obstacles like not having connections and using personal phone numbers for business.
Early use of Twilio software for phone trees in the business.
Challenges faced in growing the company.
11:10
Lack of competition initially led to rapid revenue growth.
Eight-year period of slow growth before finding success.
Outperformed by a competitor in the self-driving market.
Consideration of selling the company after years of struggle.
Evolution of machine learning tools and the importance of quality tools for building and deploying learning models.
12:36
Product 1B offers experiment tracking, data versioning, lineage, and other essential features for reliable machine learning.
Speaker shares journey of skepticism towards deep learning before realizing its effectiveness.
Emphasis on the significance of data in improving modeling approaches.
The speaker discusses their journey of catching up with machine learning technology.
14:30
They took on various projects, taught classes, and interned to learn and improve in the field.
The speaker used students and colleagues as accountability partners to stay motivated in their learning process.
Despite struggles with tools like Git and Docker, they believe existing tools are not designed for those from a mathematical or research background.
The challenge lies in adopting and effectively using technology designed for a different set of skills and knowledge.
Challenges in transitioning research code to production.
16:32
Emphasis on the need for simpler and more reliable tools for researchers and ML practitioners.
Importance of providing tools that make processes easier and less complex to improve efficiency and productivity.
Evolution of machine learning tools towards more simplified and user-friendly approaches, utilizing pre-trained language models for various tasks.
Speaker's experience in developing ML tools and considerations behind adapting to changes in the ML landscape.
Addressing an existential threat to the business despite consistent revenue growth.
18:46
Emphasis on adapting to changes and flexibility in infrastructure.
Supporting the use of GPT and the debate between proprietary and open-source models.
Importance of proving a concept's viability before advanced technology use like GPT4.
Highlighting the significance of customer needs and market fit in technology implementation.
Trends in custom model training with GPT for high throughput tasks, future adoption uncertainty of open source models, and hidden costs of running custom models.
21:43
Limited number of companies using custom models in production compared to pre-built tools, showcasing market challenges.
Emphasis on supporting rational workflows and assisting customers with model implementation to remain competitive in the industry.
Challenges in finding design partners and slow adoption rate of Enterprise LM technology.
23:40
Technical founder-led companies have embraced new technology early.
Big Enterprises are still in the planning phase and will take another year or two to fully incorporate new technologies.
The industry cycle is disruptive, with more innovations expected in the future.
Pharmaceutical companies are investing in machine learning for drug testing.
26:33
ML allows for virtual testing of drugs before physical trials, showing promise in treating diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.
No ML-developed drugs have reached the market yet, but hiring trends in the industry indicate progress and excitement for using ML in drug development.
The shift towards computer-based testing offers significant promise in revolutionizing traditional drug development processes.
Optimism about the pharmaceutical industry despite long clinical trial cycles.
27:51
Mention of a venture fund that delayed drug launches for 20 years but still made significant profits.
Highlighting the lack of successful biotech launches as a broader issue in Pharma.
Discussion on the potential and growth of Pharma, focusing on ML applications.
Importance of good tooling for ML teams in companies, including Fortune 500 companies.
Adoption of intelligent technology in agriculture and fintech.
30:13
Targeted sprayers by John Deere have improved crop yields and farming practices through precise application of pesticides.
Integration of software in farming equipment enables efficient and cost-effective weed control.
Fintech advancements focus on consumer-oriented services like chatbots and financial forecasting.
Emphasis on the importance of machine learning and data science in various industries, driving innovation and flexibility in product offerings.
Blurring of roles between software developers and ML researchers.
33:39
Transition of developers into ML roles and DevOps personnel rebranding as ML experts.
Surge in ML-focused teams within companies.
Disconnect between investors and developers, with investors lacking effective communication.
Preference for creating software tools for oneself, highlighting open source solutions over closed source.
Creating valuable and high-quality tools for developers.
36:11
Importance of open-source software and metrics for improving user experience.
Preference for open-source software among DevOps and ML Ops professionals due to stability and revenue generation.
Emphasis on ongoing telemetry and application feedback for software success.
Importance of working on complex workflows and limitations of focusing on web UI or random business logic.
37:42
Emphasis on feedback and interest in application layer development for success.
Stress and admiration for successful businesses, highlighting extreme clarity in serving customers when starting a company.
Personal experiences and insights shared on key learnings and biases for starting a second company.
Importance of Long-Term Thinking in Business
40:00
Emphasizes the value of product quality over external metrics.
Highlights the need to focus on creating products that people want.
Emphasizes spending time with customers.
Acknowledges challenges of obtaining customer attention and prioritizing customer meetings for early-stage companies.
Importance of Showing Up Prepared and Asking Tough Questions in Customer Interactions.
42:29
Defaulting to wanting people to like them can be a hindrance in a CEO role.
Value of leaning into insecurities during early customer interactions.
Mission to create tools for a new workflow called 'lmops' and inviting feedback for improvement.
Highlighting the importance of listening to feedback, iterating, and investing resources to enhance product offerings.