00:13LIAM SPRADLIN: So I'm interested
in the relative contributions
00:16that the motion
and the type make
00:18to the finished compositions.
00:20MITCH PAONE: I think
there is kind of an urge
00:22to just hey, let's animate this
logo or let's make this move,
00:26but like, you've already
figured out the design system.
00:28That's when it's
detrimental to the work
00:30because it becomes
an afterthought.
00:31But if you fuse design,
and interactivity,
00:34and generative work
right out the gate
00:36and treat them on
the same playing
00:38field as type and
graphic design,
00:40then you have set it
up in a way that it's
00:44going to be more powerful.
00:45LIAM SPRADLIN: Do you worry
about becoming comfortable
00:48MITCH PAONE: I think as soon as
you're comfortable with tools,
00:50get out and try something else.
00:52Once you dive into something
new and you realize
00:55you're terrible at it--
00:56and like I do this daily--
00:58It's like, oh, my god.
00:59I really suck at this.
01:00And then you're like, wow, I'm
not like this great designer
01:04I've gotta get in code
something and processing,
01:06and it's just a disaster.
01:08So what's special about this
is it kind of brings you back
01:13It's like this
process of like, oh, I
01:14think we're feeling good about
work, and then, oh, my god.
01:16I don't know what I'm doing.
01:18And then I'm like I'm
grounded immediately.
01:20There's definitely this nature
of being very improvisational.
01:24You know, like allowing
unexpected things
01:27to happen is what's
produced, I think,
01:29some of the favorite work
that we've done lately.
01:32LIAM SPRADLIN: I want to
touch on that too-- the notion
01:35of like learning to improvise
or learning to create something
01:39that feels very
dynamic and on the fly,
01:41but actually takes like
a lot of expertise.
01:43MITCH PAONE: So
part of my ritual,
01:45every day I play 30 minutes
to 1 hour of music-- scales,
01:47and then I perform a song
that I want to practice.
01:49Every time I've played, that
song has been different.
01:52It's been with like a groove.
01:53It's been with a swing beat.
01:55You can switch it and change.
01:56But what's beautiful about
this-- if you know the song,
01:59regardless of how I
play it, people still
02:02The melody is there.
02:03The structure is there.
02:05And that is a parameter that
defines an identity to music.
02:09That also defines
parameters in design.
02:11And what I really
like about that
02:14is that it is not restrictive.
02:16You can create a
huge identity that
02:18has this inner kind
of connective web
02:22of rhythmic changes,
colors, and stuff,
02:25but people all know it's
part of the same thing.
02:27LIAM SPRADLIN: Something
that I've seen you talk about
02:29is this idea of analytical
versus intuitive creation.
02:34What are those conceptually?
02:36MITCH PAONE: It's really easy
to talk about this in the jazz
02:38context because when you're
performing and playing it solo,
02:41like you're deciding those
notes right there, in time.
02:44And you're going to
make mistakes and do
02:47But I think the beauty
of understanding jazz
02:49improvisation is
that no one knows
02:51you're making a mistake
if you play things
02:52with like a level of conviction.
02:53You're like, I'm
going to go for this
02:55and I'm just going
to try to own it.
02:56And I'm going to screw
it up, but I'm just
02:58going to roll with it and
just keep playing through it.
03:00And no one in the
audience is going
03:01to know that you know that
you totally missed the chord.
03:04So let's do the same
thing like in design.
03:08And this gets into,
I think, a deeper
03:10sort of personal level of
understanding yourself,
03:13and what you like, and your
tastes, and who you are,
03:15and what makes you tick.
03:16And I think there is a
bit of self-discovery
03:18to get to a point
where you can say,
03:20I'm going to remove my critical
self out of the process
03:22and just make stuff and be free.
03:24At a certain point,
once you've set up
03:26a level of parameters
of like, say,
03:28the project needs this
idea to be worked out,
03:32like let's just let
that be the guide,
03:34but then try to become one--
03:37just like a jazz pianist or
trumpeter or whatever-- when